Staff to conduct additional engagement and research with respect to the use of re-useable containers and report back to Council.

1:29:40Revert back to the original

1:29:42Recommendations from council and then add a third amendment that talked to the

1:29:49To going out and doing some engagement

1:29:51So the concern from staff at the time was that we had not had a chance to go and do any

1:29:56Engagement with the restaurant community

1:29:59And we had already already been receiving some calls of concern

1:30:05After that memo

1:30:08Mr. Mayor you

1:30:10Myself staff council class and did have a meeting with some representatives from the the restaurant community

1:30:18Just looking at my notes. They had numerous concerns associated with

1:30:22Allergens

1:30:25Washing hands contamination front of house back of house

1:30:30No standard sizing they were concerned with operational times associated with

1:30:36Dealing with containers that are being brought from the outside which hit their bottom line and and of course they already have a labor shortage

1:30:43So that was a concern for them as well. So

1:30:46Anyway in the end I think where we landed as we were discussing that

1:30:51If we did do engagement it sounded like we were going to end up there anyway and

1:30:57What we would recommend now is reverting back to the original the original recommendations from staff

1:31:03Okay, thank you. How about we just at least get

1:31:11Motions put on the floor to kick things off

1:31:14Councillor Klassen you're willing to move the motions just to put them on the floor. Thank you and

1:31:20Or work. Thank you and

1:31:24I know that there might be a couple amendments going here. So just to kind of help us filter and stay focused as amendments come our way

1:31:31It looks like Councillor

1:31:34Gowler had just sent something around

1:31:38and

1:31:40Maybe I could ask Councillor Goller to maybe just ask our staff some questions maybe just

1:31:45Prior to putting it up but before before I go to you Councillor Goller the clerk just want to speak for a moment

1:31:51Go ahead through you mr. Marin. Thank you

1:31:53I just want to clarify what was just put on the floor if it was the staff recommendations that Miss home miss homes

1:31:57Reference or if it's the committee of the whole recommendations as included on the agenda

1:32:04Well, I

1:32:12Think we better go with the ones from committee

1:32:15It's probably the best way to do it

1:32:18Until a few minutes ago. We weren't going to do that but now that there's a potential amendment

1:32:22I think that's the best way of going about it. So

1:32:26Do you want to say something back to you mr. Marin? That's no problem. It's obviously council's decision

1:32:31It may be easier to build up from the original staff recommendations to make additions

1:32:37Then it will be to amend the committee of the whole ones procedure. Yeah, of course a good idea. Yeah councils discretion

1:32:42Yep, that's a good idea

1:32:45Why don't we do that everybody? So why don't we just go one at a time point of order mega three sure I seconded

1:32:51And I actually thought we were seconding the original staff recommendation from that memo

1:32:57So I'm happy to withdraw

1:33:00Yeah, I was just about to get there

1:33:03I was just go go through the process of having to do what I got to do which is

1:33:07Councillor

1:33:08Claussen, are you willing to withdraw?

1:33:10Just for now

1:33:13We're going back. Sorry. Just so I'm clear to the committee recommendation. So not

1:33:19What's today before us on the agenda just to be absolutely clear? So I

1:33:25Can go back and look at what those are now and I'll withdraw. Thanks. Yeah, perfect

1:33:31I'm just good. I'm basically gonna build the motions one at a time. Okay, so I'm not leaving anything out or anything like that

1:33:37It's just an easier way of going about it. So if you're willing to remove and Dominique

1:33:40I'm sorry councillor O'Rourke has already said willing to remove. I have to officially ask does any member of council against removal?

1:33:48Okay, that's nobody. Thank you very much everybody

1:33:50so now I'm good to ask for tabling of I think the first one which is

1:33:57If you could put up on the screen sir, I'm just pausing for dramatic effect

1:34:01Through you, mr. Mayor

1:34:02So we'll display the approval for clerk staff is a slide 12 that we're looking at these are the original two recommendations put forward by staff at

1:34:09Committee of the whole earlier this month

1:34:14Yes, and so I'm just going to go one at a time just to make it easy. Okay, so

1:34:20With some of the willing to move number one councillor Downer. Okay. Thank you

1:34:26seconded

1:34:28Councillor Claussen, okay

1:34:31so

1:34:32Remember this is this is just the one that flew from from committee. Okay, so I'll call the vote on that as anyone against

1:34:42Nobody okay, we now have two extra. I'm going to call them topics right now

1:34:47We have an amendment that I know councillor or work wants to bring forward on like sleeves and such

1:34:52I'm going to go to that

1:34:54Then the second item I know is like containers. I'll go to that after that and then we're done. Okay

1:35:00So let's let me just turn the floor over to councillor work

1:35:03She can maybe just give us a little bit of a preamble as to why she's tabling something and then we'll table that okay

1:35:09Go ahead. Thank you. Mayor Guthrie. I just want to confirm that the second clause of that initial staff report is also on the floor, right?

1:35:16That the single-use items bylaw 2024 as

1:35:20amended be approved that one is on the floor

1:35:23I

1:35:25Thought we tabled one. I wasn't sure we tabled two through you mr. Murder counselor work. That's correct

1:35:32So only one was tabled. Okay number two is not the table

1:35:35I know there is an amendment coming forward number two should be tabled prior to that correct

1:35:39Yes, I'm sorry

1:35:40I paused because I wanted to stop at number two to give councillor work the opportunity, but yes, you're everyone's right

1:35:45I am wrong. We need to table number two for you to continue with your conversation

1:35:49So would you at least table number two for us? Yeah, I counseler downer. Would you second that? Okay?

1:35:53That's been tabled, but now I am sending it over to council or work for a potential amendment great

1:35:58Thank you, Mayor Guthrie. So over the course of the last couple of weeks

1:36:01We received correspondence from the retail council of Canada and they expressed some concern around

1:36:08Requiring someone to ask for something like a sleeve that goes around a coffee cup

1:36:14Because that sleeve actually makes it easier to hold the cup because the contents are hot and

1:36:20So I I think that's fair

1:36:23I think they have processes and they have reasons why they're putting that sleeve around the coffee cup to protect someone and in fact

1:36:29We shouldn't we shouldn't require someone ordering a cup coffee to ask for that sleeve if they're not aware of that

1:36:36So the first part of my motion is to remove the word

1:36:41Sleeves from the accessory food wear item definition

1:36:46Yeah, and then the second piece of the motion

1:36:51Section 5.1 was not terribly clear

1:36:55with respect to

1:36:57Whether those orders needed to be made in-house or like inside the building or whether the

1:37:04beverage was made inside the building so

1:37:08Staff have proposed some language to make it clear that a business must accept a customer's reusable drink cup for beverage orders made

1:37:17insor for beverages consumed on or off a business premise unless

1:37:21Serve through a window to a customer at a drive-through or purchase for delivery

1:37:26And the reason for that is both the staff and a driver in a vehicle if a hot beverage is being passed through that vehicle and

1:37:34And you know may or may not have a lid on it, etc

1:37:37I think there's a safety component there for both the person serving and the person receiving and so

1:37:45So I am moving the amendment

1:37:48To remove sleeves from the accessory food wear item definition and that clause 5.1 be amended to state a

1:37:55Business must accept a customer's reusable drink cup for beverage orders made in store for beverages consumed on or off a business's premises

1:38:04Unless served through a window to a customer at a drive-through or purchased for delivery

1:38:08Okay, thank you. And Councillor Caron has agreed to second that

1:38:12So can I call the vote on this then pretty straightforward? No Councillor Downer first?

1:38:16Could I just ask for a response from staff on that?

1:38:22Like are we okay with those changes through the mayor

1:38:26Yes, it didn't specifically come up as we were having our engagement

1:38:30And looking at some of the correspondence that has come up. It seems to make sense to us so we're in support

1:38:36Okay, okay, I'll call the vote then on that is anyone against that amendment

1:38:48Nobody that's unanimous. Thank you. So now I'll call the vote on number two as amended. Okay is

1:38:54Anyone against that?

1:38:55No one that's great. Okay, so that passes unanimously too and so then the third and last sort of topic was what was flown from

1:39:04Committee what was around reusable containers?

1:39:08and so

1:39:10I'm good to turn over to Councillor Goller and to quasen in a second, but you know just to give a little bit of

1:39:17preamble

1:39:18There was actually I believe it was unanimous support at committee

1:39:22To look to actually implement this in the bylaw as our acting CAO mentioned a lot has kind of transpired between then and now

1:39:31with a lot of concerns which

1:39:33You know my own opinion my own opinion only was they were quite valid

1:39:37And they were from you know known restaurant owners

1:39:42in our city that

1:39:45Actually are probably some of the best environmental restaurant owners calling

1:39:49And they really explained quite well a lot of the concerns that they had

1:39:54Unfortunately in a way like because you know, I think we're all trying to do the right thing on it

1:39:58So as our deputy

1:40:01Sorry as our acting CAO mentioned

1:40:03You know, there's kind of an option

1:40:05I think this is where Councillor Goller and quasen might want to have a discussion on is

1:40:09You know, is there validity in actually doing engagement between now and next year?

1:40:15around this issue to see if maybe something could happen or

1:40:19Do you think we might end up in the same kind of place that we're at right now?

1:40:24So which is in other words go do an engagement, but you probably won't change anything

1:40:30And then so that's the debate that may be in discussion that we could have

1:40:33Councillor Goller, I'm gonna turn it over to you on this theme and and so why don't you go ahead?

1:40:39With dearest factor worship my fellow councillor had her hand up first. I

1:40:45Could allow her to to say her piece. I have questions stemming mainly from the staff report

1:40:50Which spoke favorably in the support of of the recommendation

1:40:58Okay, well, let me just ask either one of you are you actually wanting to table a motion to try to actually have

1:41:05Formal engagement on containers between now and next year because if you are I'd rather just get to the debate in the discussion

1:41:11By actually formally having it tabled so one of you table it

1:41:18Okay, let's have it up on the screen then

1:41:21That's not be directed to conduct additional

1:41:24Engagement and research with respect to the inclusion of reusable containers as part of the single-use items by-law and

1:41:31Report back to council prior to the effective date of the single-use items phase two timeline of March 1st 2025

1:41:38Okay, so it's been tabled

1:41:41And so is there is there any questions on that from anyone can't also now go to you first

1:41:49Yes, thank you through you mr. Merritt to staff. I just had a question, you know looking through the memo with regard to

1:41:57There's there's some feedback that was collected from the town of Banff

1:42:04And it said that anecdotal feedback from Banff

1:42:06States are

1:42:08Includes the requirement to accept reusable cups and containers and it's been well received by businesses red and residents and they're continued

1:42:17To be encouraged to remember there to bring their reusable container

1:42:20I'm just curious if we've had the opportunity to connect with any of the staff

1:42:25At the town of Banff to talk to them about some of the challenges that they might have been having so far with with the program

1:42:32Other than the anecdotal feedback that seems to be positive

1:42:37So maybe I'll start through the Merida to council class and

1:42:42Again, we we have not had a chance to do any

1:42:45Fulsome engagement on that yet. I don't know if

1:42:50My colleagues here have had a chance to reach out to to Banff in between when we had committee of the whole and and now

1:42:58If and they have so I will let them I will let them comment on that because we had written the memo before we had a chance to do that

1:43:04So I'll turn it over to

1:43:08Through the mayor so we have contacted

1:43:11Staff from the town of Banff and that is their anecdotal feedback since we were here earlier this month

1:43:17So it has been well received

1:43:20However, I think there's still an opportunity for further engagement within our own community

1:43:24As they did extensive engagement with their community as well

1:43:30Okay, and so just to clarify that and there is an opportunity still to do some engagement here with the community

1:43:36I mean not to you know, we did meet with restaurants Canada

1:43:39and we definitely met with some some local restaurants and I

1:43:44Completely respect their opinions and I think there there's some really valid ones here

1:43:48But I'm I guess my question is you know, there's is there still an opportunity to do engagement and

1:43:56Is there potentially an opportunity? This is a second question to create a program

1:44:01That's not necessarily mandatory because in some cases it might not make sense for some businesses to

1:44:07participate in a program like this

1:44:10So maybe maybe I'll start so through the mayor to council class and again

1:44:14There's always an opportunity to do engagement and when we wrote the memo right after the committee of the whole meeting

1:44:21we had heard the the the concerns and

1:44:25That was that was our recommendation is to go out and do into to do engagement because we hadn't done it

1:44:33After that memo had been written

1:44:36We like I said, you were in that meeting council class and with us and we did hear some

1:44:41valid concerns from some of the the restaurant

1:44:44representatives and

1:44:47And so we were starting to think that even if we did do engagement is

1:44:52You know, are we gonna end up in the same place and what we were trying to do is also be you know

1:44:57Cognizant of staff capacity as well because this was not on anybody's work plan

1:45:01So if it's the will of council for us to go and do engagement we had committed to do that

1:45:07Prior to March 1st 2025. That was when the the by-law was to be in place. So you won't lose any time

1:45:15But we're happy to do that. The other the other part of it is to mr.

1:45:19Mayor I forgot to mention was that we also said that we could do an educational component as part of our website as well for those

1:45:27To provide some sort of guidance for those who do want to participate

1:45:31Rather than making a by-law where everybody has to participate

1:45:34So that gives the restaurant some choice on whether they want to continue with a program like that or not

1:45:42Okay, thank you. Yeah, I certainly appreciate that component of it because yeah the mandatory piece

1:45:48I know for some businesses and what we heard from

1:45:51Some of the restaurants is that there are certain components from an operational perspective that could be quite challenging

1:45:58But but the educational piece is something certainly that I think we can take advantage of I

1:46:04Still am I and you know, I'm happy to hear from my my fellow counselors on this as well

1:46:09I still think there's an opportunity here for engagement and for learning from the community

1:46:15I think WALF has always been a leader in sustainability and I think that

1:46:21We're not gonna lower our waste by not looking at programs like this and not promoting these types of behaviors

1:46:29If we had looked at programs like this 25 years ago

1:46:34You know, I think that you know with the use of styrofoam and other

1:46:39Non-recyclable materials, you know, we would have been having a totally different conversation

1:46:42so the conversation needs to continue and I think this is a piece that can help continue the conversation and of course I don't want to

1:46:49Add unnecessary burden to a lot of these businesses who I know are already struggling a lot in the current economic situation

1:46:57however, we do have a very real issue with single-use items and landfills and I think that looking at all

1:47:04opportunities to reduce

1:47:06What's in our landfills and what we're going to have to deal with?

1:47:09For years to come is is something worth exploring but definitely open to hearing from my fellow counselors as well

1:47:19Thank you before I continue I'd like to just ask the movers is your intention to is your motion and intention to engage

1:47:28to encourage or

1:47:30to engage to create a bylaw

1:47:34Like there's a big difference here. I think I'd like to just go back to what the original

1:47:41You know, what's in the agenda for today and I think that

1:47:45in the

1:47:47Memo it was to do engage do the engagement before we approve the budget or approve the bylaw rather, sorry

1:47:59Before we continue, please put the motion back up if we're going to have a discussion and we just need clarity

1:48:07That's all it's okay. Just trying to make sure we're all focused on the right thing

1:48:11Because your motion says to direct them to do additional engagement and research with respect to the inclusion of reusable containers as part of

1:48:20a bylaw

1:48:22But what I'm hearing a lot of and seeing a lot of nodding of heads about is

1:48:27engagement to encourage

1:48:29engagement to see

1:48:31Just to see if there's the ability for some to maybe buy in on this and so

1:48:35I think I just want to make sure that the movers are moving and item moving emotion here

1:48:42That's really what they want to do

1:48:45Do you want an actual bylaw at the end of the day to put to come forward?

1:48:50Because we've heard from our staff that that might be very very difficult if you want an engagement process that includes

1:48:58Communication encouragement website that that is a different thing and I just that wouldn't be

1:49:06Aligned with what you've tabled

1:49:08So it's kind of an it's kind of it's either an either or or it's both

1:49:12Like I'm just trying to help us make sure you're getting what you want

1:49:17So I'll go to the movers one more time cancer quas and then goer. Yes if you go into the

1:49:22I think that perhaps what the appropriate motion would be is the staff recommended motion that is in

1:49:31the motion amendment memo and

1:49:34It says three that staff be directed to conduct additional engagement and research with respect to the inclusion of reusable containers as

1:49:42part of the single use items bylaw and

1:49:45Report back to council prior to the effective date of the single use items phase two timeline of March 1st 2025 and

1:49:56That was the motion that I was referring to I'm not sure how the other one. I think that one was just in the agenda. So

1:50:03Hope that clarifies. I think our clerks are trying to determine that

1:50:09We think that you just read out something that is exactly what you guys tabled

1:50:13Which is fine. I just I just want to make sure if I may

1:50:18Come you are trying just just one second councillor Goller

1:50:20Yeah, so how I think the best way to answer this question right now is how is staff interpreting this motion if it passes

1:50:30Yeah, we would in 3d to the mayor

1:50:38So interpretation of this is that we would engage for the purpose of implementing a bylaw change with respect to reuse containers depending on the feedback received

1:50:47Yeah, and I would agree an education

1:50:50Component for encouraging the use just be a public education campaign. It wouldn't be for the intent of a bylaw amendment

1:50:58Okay, so we have clarity

1:51:00Which is fine. That's what we need here. Okay, what's tabled is to try to actually implement a bylaw

1:51:08Compared to if you want to do something different it would be

1:51:12More education communication encouragement campaign, okay, so I'll go to go to councillor Goller

1:51:19Your worship. We also heard as well as representatives from from food services and from the the food industry

1:51:27Represents from businesses that have reusable container services in our community. There are a couple of different reusable food

1:51:36Container services. So I think this is not necessarily

1:51:39Looking at everyone bringing their own Tupperware, but actually if the takeaway container is

1:51:46Returnable and then through through a third-party service. I think that would be an excellent alternative

1:51:52So if I could ask from staff when when you look at the the motion, would it be exclusively?

1:52:00Takeaway containers that you know that I bring my own Tupperware because that's that's not what I read. I read that it would actually be

1:52:07Any type of reusable containers as takeout

1:52:12Through the mayor to councillor goller, we would consider this motion including all options for reusable containers

1:52:20Thank you. Thank you. And with that in mind your worship

1:52:23I would love to explore the possibility of having this become the bylaw is it possible to and it may very well be that it's not

1:52:31Possible for certain types of businesses, maybe fast food places

1:52:35But it may be a requirement that other businesses

1:52:39Are required to use subservice that provides reusable containers

1:52:45therefore

1:52:46significantly

1:52:47limiting the amount of containers that end up in landfill

1:52:52Okay, I got a few more hands up here in the room

1:52:54So I'd like to try to focus us on getting to a conclusion here

1:52:58So I'm going to go to councillor Allt and then council or work. Thank you mayor Guthrie

1:53:04As the discussion the worthwhile discussion on on

1:53:08Reusable containers goes on I'm getting a bit confused about exactly what it is that we're trying to do here

1:53:14And the question I believe I have to have for clerks is can you have a bylaw that is?

1:53:21Voluntary for certain businesses through through you mr. Mayor

1:53:31I'll do my best to answer that that question you could I suppose put a clause in a bylaw that said

1:53:37Voluntary but then there is no it's a it's a suggestion not a bylaw at that point

1:53:42Of course many of our bylaws have no specific enforcement provisions

1:53:46But that doesn't make them voluntary or non mandatory that lack of enforcement. So generally speaking I think that would be unusual at the very least

1:53:54And thank you very much. I appreciate that clarity actually I

1:53:58Completely support the intent of this but I cannot support the motion as it is presented

1:54:04It strikes me that we're being incredibly ambiguous about it is what about what it is we want to do and we're leaving

1:54:12People with the very peculiar notion that you are subject to a bylaw if you want to be but aren't necessarily subject to the bylaw

1:54:20Thank You councillor arourke

1:54:23Thank You margoth three through you to staff

1:54:26I'm just wondering how this fits with all of the blue box transition that starts

1:54:32January 2025 I believe

1:54:34so

1:54:36Yes, we want to reduce the number of containers that are are used initially right definitely

1:54:43But won't the people who are using or issuing those containers have to find some mechanism to

1:54:49Bring those back and recycle them. So

1:54:52a how does it work with the blue box transition and

1:54:56B

1:54:58Does it become a moot point if the

1:55:02Emitter has to has to take it back sometime right? So I'm just wondering how those things fit

1:55:09So through the marriage counselor arourke the blue box transition

1:55:13The regulation only applies to the residential sector

1:55:16So if a resident brought it home and put it in their blue box

1:55:20it would go through the recycling program if the and

1:55:3040% of the waste generated in Ontario is residential 60% is commercial

1:55:37Okay, I was trying to think is there a way to do this education

1:55:42Through that ICI it's through that blue box transition

1:55:47communication

1:55:48But it doesn't sound like it aligns

1:55:51So another question in that vein. So through you Marga three to staff

1:55:55This is a big change. It's coming to 12

1:55:58What kind of capacity would you have to go and and consult with restaurants on this sort of very specific?

1:56:05Item that's laudable and I'd love to see it in place

1:56:08But do you have capacity to do this in this current context?

1:56:12Throw through the mayor to councillor mark

1:56:14We do have students that were onboarding for the fall for the purpose of the education campaign related to this bylaw

1:56:21If it's to pass and at that time that would be when we be doing the engagement

1:56:26So it's the same stack going out. They're already at the business. They can ask these questions. Okay

1:56:31So three America three have a question for the movers

1:56:34Rather than put it into a bylaw where I think you would have to specify these types of business but not those types of business

1:56:42Why not just leave the education component and make it a competitive advantage for businesses that want to offer this

1:56:49So there's a grocery store near me. They have the friendlier containers

1:56:52I think that's fantastic or I go to bulk barn and I you know bring my spice containers and stuff like that

1:57:00so rather than

1:57:02impose a bylaw that creates a patchwork for businesses across the the province really and

1:57:09It's especially difficult for like franchisees who have very very specific

1:57:15Processes and rules and and they time all their stuff, right?

1:57:20Why not

1:57:21Incent and appeal to the better angels than

1:57:25regulate

1:57:31Yeah, to the mover you can respond. I think from my perspective

1:57:38I was you know just to you know look at what staff provided in the report

1:57:44They did refer to Banff who does have a bylaw that talks about reusable food wear

1:57:50and I did start looking into their bylaw and some of the language that they were using and

1:57:58There's a lot of language around having a policy about reusable containers

1:58:03And having a written policy so in that case

1:58:06I mean, I'm sure I didn't go and look at individual restaurants and and what their

1:58:11Individual policies are and what they can and can't accept

1:58:15but I I personally was curious about how they

1:58:20Implemented it since they were the only example provided

1:58:24From a bylaw perspective. So there there is some precedent with regard to it being a bylaw

1:58:29so that was you know my first line of thought and and and my second line of thought on this is that yeah, I do believe that there is an

1:58:38educational component to this and

1:58:40If it comes to you know, we look into the engagement and we're saying like no, it shouldn't be a bylaw

1:58:46It really should be yes. It's a competitive advantage

1:58:50And I know that there's already a number of people who do use reusable container programs

1:58:56We have a popular

1:58:58Provider here in Guelph a friendlier company and I know that they provide a great service to many of the businesses in Guelph and and people like to use it

1:59:05So I do know that that that's something that that can exist. I think that I just didn't want to

1:59:13Proclude the idea that a bylaw

1:59:17Might be possible. I didn't want to leave that off the table

1:59:21But I'm I'm also happy for the staff to recommend that it not be

1:59:26I don't know necessarily if this is the right moment for it to be mandatory

1:59:30But I definitely think that it is worth exploring and that there might be language that does reflect our intention here

1:59:43Yeah, so just a comment mega three if I may I'm uncomfortable with the language of the motion because it does assume

1:59:51That it would be put into a bylaw

1:59:55For for companies even that would really want to do this like it does create additional work for them to create new policies

2:00:02And all of those things that that a lot of small restaurants couldn't necessarily do

2:00:08So I would I'd like to hear from

2:00:12Staff on how we could appeal to people's better angels through their

2:00:17Their their conversations in the fall I fully support that but I can't support the the amendment that's tabled

2:00:28Okay, look I can I can I can call the vote on this

2:00:34but I know some heads are nodding

2:00:38But

2:00:41I'm trying to actually build consensus a little bit here in compromise

2:00:47I'm wondering if potentially an amendment might be worthwhile to remove the portion in the middle of your motion

2:00:54That talks about the actual crafting of a bylaw

2:00:58Remove that out and let our staff go and just do engagement and then come back with a report with what they find and

2:01:07that's it then

2:01:09Then we take a next step after that

2:01:12I think we I think we'll accomplish what we're looking for kind of kill two birds with one stone here

2:01:17Like you're good to get the engagement you want with the details while the engagement happens

2:01:21You're also getting the education. So that's kind of good. You're getting both of those things over this time frame

2:01:27But there we're not sending staff away to actually, you know draft an actual bylaw

2:01:32So let's get the results back and then have another full some discussion about it and focus just on engagement right now

2:01:37I'm wondering if there was a a counselor that would be willing to move an amendment counselor Boussatil and then and then counselor

2:01:43Oh, now I'm really sorry. I I can't move stuff and I you're gonna need to write

2:01:49You're gonna need to write

2:01:51Write something to the clerks to do that

2:01:53but there's just a just like a basically a line in the middle there that could be removed by clerks and

2:01:59and then I think that amendment might help us get to a

2:02:04Unanimous potential vote here where we just are sending away for engagement only if that if that helps

2:02:10I'm just trying to help us land on something. I'm seeing some

2:02:13Some nods. Can we just get the motion put up on the screen?

2:02:19So basically it would be the remove

2:02:22removal of as

2:02:25part of the single-use items bylaw and

2:02:30And then just say and to report back to council period

2:02:34So once once it's done just report so it doesn't have to be yes our staff for those online

2:02:38Our staff are all nodding their head in the room to see you're aware

2:02:42So it's moved by counselor

2:02:46Boussatil seconded by counselor alt to remove those pieces there and and then we're I think we're landing on a place

2:02:53That's a bit more conducive to what we're trying to trying to accomplish

2:02:57If I could

2:02:59Counselor Gibson, did you want to speak to that amendment?

2:03:03Yeah, just a quick question to staff. That's okay

2:03:06Yes, go ahead. Yeah. Thank you through you. Mr. Mayor question to staff

2:03:10I just want to hear staff say that this is not a redundant

2:03:15Motion that this has not already taken place

2:03:19And that the engagement that's being asked to be done wasn't already part of the previous engagements on this on this item

2:03:25I don't want I don't want this to become out. We didn't get the answer we want so go back and go back and engage some more. Thank you

2:03:32So through the mayor to counselor Gibson, we did not explore single

2:03:38Re-sorry reusable containers

2:03:41With businesses it was mostly focused on beverage containers

2:03:45Thank you

2:03:48Okay, great. I'm very sorry staff out to clerks it. Are we good with that amendment? I know that

2:03:54Through you, mr. Mayor, I'm not sure we've got it in writing, but we will display what we think is

2:03:59Councillor Bush is sending it, but I think if you've captured it we could just ask counselor Bush until she's okay with the

2:04:06The removal there so that stop be directed to can

2:04:08Dr. Additional engagement and research with respect to the use of reusable containers and report back to council. Okay

2:04:15Yeah

2:04:17Does staff need a date in that would you prefer a date at the end?

2:04:26Through the mayor to you mr. Mayor. We our original plan was to do that for March the 1st anyway

2:04:32So you could put a date if you'd like

2:04:35Because if it is going to become part of a bylaw then we'd want to all do it at the same time

2:04:39Okay, but you're not going to do that part the bylaw part, but yeah

2:04:46So again speaking to the amendment go ahead

2:04:49So I think because we've taken out that they're not actually preparing the bylaw this time that it should probably come back

2:04:56In good time so that if we approve it that then they can prepare the bylaw before

2:05:03March right so then it's all done at once right so do we want to see the report back at I

2:05:10Don't know if if you're having students do it this fall then as soon after as possible

2:05:15I guess I don't is there a date that you think you can get the report back to council by so that we can then

2:05:21and I'm thinking of all the report writing issue because

2:05:26You know it may be that how difficult will it be to prepare that amendment to the bylaw once it's once the reports

2:05:33Then I guess is my question

2:05:37Sure, I guess I was throwing James some vague options

2:05:40So typically once we finish the engagement, I think we'd be in a place to know whether or not we had to draft a bylaw

2:05:47You know due to all the work back schedules

2:05:50We would be drafting the report at the same time as drafting a bylaw so

2:05:55In all reality, you know if I have something to do for February I pretty much have to start at beginning of January, right?

2:06:00So but that point in point in time we would already be able to draft the bylaw so so you would probably if you were recommending it

2:06:07You would have a draft in place anyway

2:06:11So yeah, so coming back to be coming back with a bylaw anyway, so this doesn't really change much actually

2:06:18Okay, get it though. Okay, but we're making a decision. We're gonna get a report before we approve it and the bylaw will come as

2:06:26Something we can add on. Okay. Great. Thanks

2:06:30Okay, I'm gonna call I'm gonna call the vote then on this amendment from Councillor Boussatill so

2:06:38Councillor all seconded it. Yeah, so is anyone against that amendment?

2:06:43No, that's great. That's unanimous. That's perfect. And then so now we'll just do it

2:06:48Do it as amended the main motion as amended. I'll call the vote on that. Is anyone against that?

2:06:55No, okay, perfect. That's unanimous and we landed at the right place there. So thank you very much for the discussion and

2:07:01We are I believe we are done that

2:07:06Yes

2:07:08Okay, I don't want to reuse or single use or anything about that ever again. All right, perfect

2:07:14we are at

2:07:16the drill hall and

2:07:18You know what? I know that there's some people that are been waiting

2:07:21But it just is it's worthwhile for us to move around for five minutes. Let's just take a five minute break and

2:07:29And move around a bit go to the bathroom get a drink come on back. So we'll be back here at just before

2:07:37You know between seven forty and seven forty five please five minute break. Thank you

2:07:42Okay, just a bit of one minute warning one to two minute warning. Okay?

2:17:33Okay, everyone. I'll call the meeting back to order

2:17:36Thanks for the little break there

2:17:41Drill hall responses to expression of interest and plan future use

2:17:48We have three delegations. I believe they are all in person

2:17:54Welcome to Stephanie Brinton

2:17:59Michelle peak and Norma Mendoza and so thank you