Notice of Objection to the intention to designate 2187 Gordon Street dated November 24… be approved

4:08:35do ditto here uh to the next one on the list is notice of objection to intention to designate

4:08:432187 gordon street under section 29 part four of the ontario heritage act and we got a couple

4:08:53of presentations on this one as well with a correspondence in our package i will turn the

4:09:01microphone over to you steve go ahead good evening mayor guthrie and members of council

4:09:14through this staff report you've been made aware of the property owner's notice of objection to

4:09:20council's intention to designate 2187 gordon street under the ontario heritage act i'm here

4:09:27this evening to present staff's recommendation that council continue with its intention to designate

4:09:32the barn and the farmhouse at 2187 gordon street and issue a heritage designation bylaw in order

4:09:40to meet the prescribed deadlines of the legislation according to section 29 of the

4:09:47ontario heritage act council has until february 22 of this year to decide whether to proceed with

4:09:54the designation and if so may pass a bylaw proposed bylaw that that proposed bylaw is included in the

4:10:02staff report as attachment four so i want to just very briefly run through a recap um

4:10:14information and imagery that was shown to you at my last staff report on this property

4:10:20that recommended the intention to designate the stone the kid barn on the property is a barn

4:10:27with two parts it's a bank barn meaning it's built into the bank the the landscape itself

4:10:33and the stone barn at the rear is the original barn itself which is known as a stone slot barn

4:10:40the additional barn that faces gordon street is a heavy timber bank barn and again that's the addition

4:10:47to the original stone building so a statement of significance about this property um uh

4:10:57goes goes like this and again this is is recapping the heritage planning staff in consultation with

4:11:02heritage gulf we've prepared a cultural heritage evaluation of the property and it's worthy of

4:11:08designation under section 29 of the heritage act because it meets six of the prescribed criteria

4:11:15that six of the nine prescribed criteria for determining cultural heritage value or interest

4:11:21the heritage attributes of the property display design or physical value historical or associative

4:11:27value and contextual value the james kid barn is an early and rare example of a stone slot bank

4:11:38barn built by 1842 it was constructed using local fieldstone with slots in the walls this building

4:11:46is now the only one of its kind within the city of gulf it displays a high degree of craftsmanship

4:11:51that is rarely preserved preserved and it's linked with the kid family who occupied the

4:11:56property from the mid late mid to late 19th century james kid settled in the township of

4:12:02post linch in 1830 and contributed to the agricultural community at that time the property the

4:12:09two buildings on the property are connected with the marco longo farm across the road which is a

4:12:15protected cultural heritage landscape the barn was built into the bank and retains its function

4:12:24in this specific location the barn itself is a landmark when traveling on gordon street

4:12:34the what's known as the blair farmhouse has cultural heritage value it's an early and rare

4:12:40example of a material or construction method and in this case it's the use of formed concrete for

4:12:46wall construction in a rural residential building it's connected to the blair family and early another

4:12:52early settler family of the post linch area and the blairs emigrated from scotland in the 1870s

4:12:59and had farms on both sides of gordon street as mentioned the family was well known for their

4:13:04extensive orchards the farmhouse is the concrete farmhouse is a historically linked to its surroundings

4:13:12and it too is a landmark along gordon street the barn and farmhouse support the agricultural

4:13:18landscape of the surrounding area the property of 2187 gordon street maintains and defines the

4:13:26surrounding use for agricultural purposes and it was and as it has for the past two centuries

4:13:35i i don't want to read out too much in this and a lot of this is reviewed but the pictures

4:13:42most of these pictures still hold true as to the condition of the the building itself it's important

4:13:49to point out though that the attributes that would be protected by this designation bylaw

4:13:55and those would include the three door openings on the south wall

4:14:00the upper door in the south wall the original form of the bank barn with an end gable roofline and

4:14:05single story north wall and a two-story south wall so again that's that too it's sort of a walk-in

4:14:13basement if you will for a barn um the exterior i'm sorry the location and orientation of the stone

4:14:19bank barn is important as an attribute to maintain the building is being built across a slope

4:14:26the exterior and interior of all the extant stone walls of the slot bank barn should be attributes

4:14:31and i say extant stone walls because unfortunately one of those walls is no longer standing

4:14:37all original slot ventilation slot ventilation openings and window door opening seen in the

4:14:43exterior and interior of the extant stone walls would be heritage attributes

4:14:50with the james kid barn in the heavy timber barn addition the original form of the addition

4:14:57is important as an attribute with its roofline and walls the location and orientation of that

4:15:04addition along the slope the vertically oriented exterior wood board cladding is important

4:15:13and most of it is still there extant cutouts in those vertical boards in the upper north and south

4:15:19gable walls create the shape of a florian cross and if there was a quiz in this presentation i might

4:15:25ask you know if we remember what that cross means uh the the stonework uh has tape pointed stone walls

4:15:34in the timber frame addition and on the interior many heavy timber framing members including pole

4:15:40rafters hand-hewn posts and beams and original joinery as you can see in this image the imbrication

4:15:47pattern created by pressed metal sheets clad the roof so quickly the Blair farmhouse does have its

4:15:58heritage attributes that would be protected as well and that includes the two-story original form of

4:16:03the house with its hip roof and l floor plan and the exterior walls constructed a formed in place

4:16:09concrete covered with a render that is ensized with a pattern that mimics ashlar stone so in

4:16:17closing i'll i'll reiterate staff's recommendation and that is that staff recommends council continue

4:16:24with its intention to designate 21 87 gordon street an issue the proposed heritage designation bylaw

4:16:31bylaw number 2024-20901 which is an attachment for for 21 87 gordon street in order to meet the

4:16:40prescribed deadlines of the legislation thank you i'd be happy to answer any questions if you have

4:16:45any questions at this time i know that we've we've sort of had this before when you were here before

4:16:53on this one but it looks like we have couple three so alt karan busatil please thank you very much

4:17:01margat three through you to staff i appreciate your presentation on this particular barn and my

4:17:07understanding is the barns of this particular vintage uh and particular design are increasingly

4:17:15rare in ontario i believe there's one just outside of allora and perhaps two others uh in uh southern

4:17:22ontario it's wondering if you could just expand on that and why this inside guelph is of particular

4:17:29significance through you mr marot to councillor Allt uh councillor you're correct in that this is a

4:17:41seems to be a vanishing type of uh barn of barn in our part of ontario and as i have said it's the

4:17:49only stone barn especially stone slot barn left in guelph um it's very rare that that barn construction

4:17:58completely in stone it's very rare within wellington county uh and an additional example

4:18:05outside of the county but in the waterloo region would be in the area of blair and cambridge at the

4:18:11rare site where there is a quite successful rehabilitation of that stone slot barn but

4:18:18you're correct it is a uh when i state that it's a rare type of building that is the truth

4:18:25thank you very much america not to belabor it i would be happy to move this in my comments are

4:18:30in a city that prides itself on its agricultural college i think it behooves us to uh support the

4:18:36preservation of this kind of uh in uh agricultural institution okay thank you just again we're

4:18:44getting ahead of ourselves this is the second time tonight we're kind of getting it just a

4:18:47little bit ahead of ourselves but i've made a note to come back to you councillor Allt not a

4:18:51back to you councillor Allt not a problem but we still have some questions and um and we we have

4:18:57another delegate uh delegate not a delegate but another presenter still as well so this is just

4:19:02questions um to our heritage planner steven robinson at this time we have another presenter

4:19:08after that and then we're going to get to uh questions and we can table the the recommendations

4:19:15at that time okay so this is just questions to steven robinson and i believe i have uh caron

4:19:20next and then uh busital quick questions to stop the first is the timing of uh this site being on

4:19:28the register usually outbuildings like barns are not on a heritage register can you confirm that this

4:19:34was on the heritage register um at uh this property recently changed hands from private hands to

4:19:42developer hands and that it was known to the purchaser that this would have been uh of interest

4:19:48to the city uh for protection through you mr mayor to councillor caron i believe the answer to

4:19:58the question is how long the the kit barn or the property has been listed on the municipal

4:20:04register of cultural heritage properties and that is since 2009 when council expanded that register

4:20:12great and my second question mostly because it's you mr robinson and i know that you have extensive

4:20:18um um credentials across ontario on adaptive reuse of barns because one of the things that

4:20:24i've heard um in conversation uh is that what are you going to do with a barn is there's no

4:20:30adaptive reuse potential and and and you gave a good example in blare where there's community space

4:20:36there's event space um that there there is an adaptive reuse potential for a barn and that

4:20:44this site lends itself very well to that through you mr mayor i just want to confirm if the

4:20:55councillor is asking a question i completely agree with the councillor's comment okay i i believe

4:21:02that the the kid barn uh building itself although it was designed for agricultural purposes it's

4:21:10it's a large a large structure that has an incredible history architectural character and

4:21:19a large amount of an incredible amount of adaptive reuse potential it would not be something that

4:21:26could be done inexpensively clearly but it is something that could i i see that as being

4:21:33something that has the potential to be very successful uh the the reuse of the building

4:21:40to be successful i think would have to be carefully and sensitively integrated into

4:21:46the land use that's already been approved for that area but i believe that's something that is

4:21:50possible okay and kind of a follow-up to that and maybe it's it's for our planning staff more than

4:21:56our heritage staff but the the block plan for this larger piece of property has not yet been

4:22:04approved or come forward so this site could be residential it could be commercial it could be

4:22:11it it could be parkland it could be that that hasn't been determined what what the potential

4:22:18range of uses could be at this time through the mayor to councillor caron the

4:22:25clarimony secondary plan does designate this property as high density residential

4:22:31and and that is the expectation for future use of that property

4:22:36keeping in mind that the the plan also looks to conserve the heritage resources on that property

4:22:43with a future redevelopment ambusatil for questions yes thank you and through the mayor

4:22:52uh to um mr robinson thank you very much for the presentation i just have a question about

4:22:58the designation process it was distressing to hear about the wall not standing and you know the

4:23:04slats not being there but so does the designation process if designated elevate the responsibility

4:23:12for present uh preservation and does it elevate the consequences of not preserving so what does

4:23:22this do in terms of respecting and maintaining the property through you mr mayor to councillor

4:23:31busatil that currently with the the building or the the property being listed as non designated

4:23:38on the register the only controls that that council or the municipality would have would be through

4:23:43actual demolition with a property becoming designated under the heritage acts not just

4:23:50demolition but alterations are controlled through i'd rather say guided through the heritage permit

4:23:58process so that those attributes that are identified in the heritage designation by-law

4:24:04are truly conserved it designation does is a way to protect those heritage attributes

4:24:13and it when when we consider things like property standards and other related by-laws that when a

4:24:21property is designated that's it officially identifies those attributes that need particular

4:24:28consideration thank you very much okay seeing no further questions at this time we're going to

4:24:37call up uh david uh kemeletti hopefully i'm saying that uh last name right there and uh from heritage

4:24:44gulf thank you very much uh david for joining us and uh go right ahead and uh did i say your

4:24:49last name correctly good thank you mr okay good all right and and you go right ahead with your

4:24:54presentation as well oh yes i'll be very brief uh most points have been covered um heritage gulf

4:25:00had a very passionate um debate in september about um accelerating the designations for these

4:25:08properties um basically our role is to assess whether or not property meets any of the criteria

4:25:16for heritage designation there was a home run because the home of the barn collectively meets

4:25:22six criteria when you only have to be two we're also supported by the fact that um these properties

4:25:29have been approved on the claire malpy plan as a site to conserve we also felt that it's about

4:25:37time to get around to this as mentioned this has been on the registry since 2009 and finally um

4:25:45what's given a bit of um emphasis here is how rare stone barns are there's this as mentioned

4:25:53it's only one of two in uh county of wellington so just to try and give some perspective i

4:25:59contacted Hugh Fraser who's written a letter of support tonight and he's with uh the interior barn

4:26:05preservation and i asked him do we know how many stone barns there are in Ontario and he answers

4:26:10his follows i wish i knew how many old stone barns were still standing and that's a question many of

4:26:16us at Ontario barn preservation would like to better understand my guess is it's not many

4:26:22and even fewer that are in good shape he says i have very little experience with stone barns

4:26:28since they're in my agraria where i live at work so for all of these particularly the rarity of this

4:26:34type of property heritage wealth was strongly in support of the designation thank you very much

4:26:41david any follow-up questions for david no hearing and seeing none so you were very truthful you

4:26:49said you'd be brief and you worked so thank you very much okay uh so that is uh all of the

4:26:56presentations and so uh councillor alde I did tell you I wrote your name down there to to move

4:27:03the recommendations on this one so can I get a thumbs up from you that you're still good with

4:27:06that thank you uh and uh a vertical second yeah okay thank you and is there any other questions

4:27:14then at this time that need to be considered by council oh okay councillor work okay actually no

4:27:23questions so it's just comments i'll start with councillor work thank you mayor gathby

4:27:29councillor Allt was talking about our agricultural heritage and today is canadian ag day and I recall

4:27:36you know I came I ran for council in part because I was so interested in the clear mall

4:27:40i'll be secondary plan and what was going to happen there and there was a lot of conversation

4:27:43at the time about those two barns potentially being a gateway but that it was a clear nod to

4:27:50our heritage so as the last stats show there's 7 000 jobs in gulf that are derived from agriculture

4:27:57we're canada's food university like this is an important thing for us my colleagues know I'm not

4:28:03you know the number one heritage champion around this table but this is really significant this is

4:28:10definitely a landmark not only for ward six but for the city and is an important part of the gateway

4:28:15and you know I hope we don't see these treasures as a burden because we should be seeing them as

4:28:23a resource so tear review in their heart uh village area they have restored the heart farmhouse it's

4:28:30turned into a community room it's got some short-term rentals available for the residents in that

4:28:34community uh when we were in London for AMO we visited west five that's a high density area

4:28:42and they've got this sort of common area park space with an amphitheater where people can gather

4:28:47and so there could be a spectacular amphitheater with that stone wall there could really be something

4:28:53quite stunning that's real place making so Councillor Bousetel talks about place making

4:28:58all the time around where is our where's our piazza where is our heritage and I think this has an

4:29:04opportunity to be exactly that so I think there's a lot of potential and I think there's definitely

4:29:11a compelling reason to preserve it great thank you very much Councillor O'Rourke

4:29:19seeing nothing further looks like I will call the vote is anyone against this

4:29:25it's unanimous as well okay thank you moving right along we have the bylaws now there's a couple that

4:29:37had to be amended and added so they're just going to come up on the screen and Councillor Chew you're