Notice of Objection to the intention to designate 331 Clair Road East dated December 21… be approved

3:45:02that title a bit better notice of objection to intention to designate 331 Claire road east

3:45:11under section 29 part 4 of the Ontario Heritage Act we're going to have uh uh just a couple

3:45:19presentations from uh from people we have a delegation one and a couple pieces of correspondence

3:45:29jack well on is here yes come on up jack and uh a heritage planner and you can go right ahead

3:45:37with your presentation whenever you're ready good evening erga three members of council tonight i

3:45:45will be providing a presentation on the notice of objection to the intention to designate 331

3:45:51quare road east since you're all likely familiar with this property i will provide a very brief

3:45:57overview of the reasons for designation including the history of the property the statement of

3:46:02significance and the heritage attributes identified in the notice of intention to designate the

3:46:12Hanlon family took possession of the property in 1832 only four years after the founding of Puslench

3:46:19like many settlers the Hanlins would have lived in a log house until they acquired the resources

3:46:25necessary to construct a proper home the farmhouse that stands on the property today was built by

3:46:31James Hanlon in 1864 in the gothic revival style that was popular in the mid 19th century

3:46:38the house is built of granite field stone which means that it is constructed from stones sourced

3:46:43directly from the surrounding landscape each hold by john and his sons james and jack through our

3:46:50evaluation of the Hanlon farmhouse staff determined that the house meets four of the nine criteria

3:47:01required for designating a property under part four of the Ontario Heritage Act only two criteria

3:47:08only two criteria are required for a property to be eligible for designation to summarize the house

3:47:14has designed value as an excellent example of a 19th century gothic revival stone farmhouse

3:47:21built with a high degree of craftsmanship the Hanlon farmhouse has historic value because of its

3:47:28association with the early settlement of Puslench Township lastly the property has contextual value

3:47:35because it is important in defining and maintaining the historic character of the

3:47:39Quare Road streetscape staff have worked closely with the property owner's consultant to identify

3:47:48the heritage attributes that would ensure the most important features of the house are conserved

3:47:53while permitting flexibility for adaptive reuse of the structure the heritage attributes listed

3:47:59in the notice of intention to designate cover the exterior of the main house but do not include

3:48:04the summer kitchen at the rear of the building or any interior features if council withdraws the

3:48:14intention to designate the property will be removed from the municipal register on january 1st 2025

3:48:21if the property owner then decides that they would prefer to demolish the farmhouse there

3:48:25will be nothing the city can do to prevent demolition as the city of gual developed further south

3:48:32is it is imperative that we retain the few built heritage resources that remain south of Quare Road

3:48:38the James Hanlon farmhouse is one of these resources that will not only provide a unique

3:48:42amenity space to the proposed townhouse development but will anchor the community in the agricultural

3:48:47history of the area in closing i recommend that council issue the proposed designation bylaw for

3:48:55331 quare road east thank you for your time thank you and now is there going to be another

3:49:05presentation attached to this or just you that we do have a member from heritage gulf

3:49:10here to present yeah okay good so that's that's next okay great now i'm i'm so sorry i how do we

3:49:17say your name i'm so sorry is it uh jodat am i saying that right pretty close okay i'm i'm so sorry

3:49:26i tried no way yeah and uh thank you for being here and thank you for being on heritage gulf as

3:49:31well we appreciate that again i'm so sorry i i didn't say your name too well i'm so sorry about

3:49:36that but thank you for being here and uh and you can go right ahead with your presentation as well

3:49:41okay uh mr mayor uh members of the city council allow allow myself to introduce myself for you

3:49:50my name is jowdat abujawdi and i'm an architect and an urban planner as being a member of the heritage

3:49:56gulf's advisory committee i was delegated to reflect the heritage committee's recommendations

3:50:02with respect to the notice of objection to the mention to the intention to designate the

3:50:08hanlon farmhouse at 331 clear road east property at the june 12 2023 meeting of heritage gulf the

3:50:17committee passed the following motion that the comments provided by heritage gulf on the cultural

3:50:24heritage evaluation report related to the hanlon farmhouse at 331 clear road east be provided to

3:50:32staff and council for their consideration at the october 10 2023 meeting of heritage gulf the

3:50:40committee passed the following motion that heritage gulf supports the heritage attributes identified

3:50:46for the hanlon farm uh property mentioned okay uh in the staff report dated october 10 2023

3:50:56as you know a property may be designated under section 29 part 4 of the ontario heritage act if

3:51:02it meets two or more of the criteria used to determine cultural heritage value or interest

3:51:09as set out on ontario regulation 906 as amended by ontario regulation 569 22 now the hanlon farm

3:51:19at 331 clear road east meets four criteria it meets criteria one and two being a representative

3:51:27example of the ontario vernacular farmhouse style of the 19th century that is with a high degree of

3:51:34craftsmanship and the execution of its original stonework and exterior work trim and are clearly

3:51:42identified through 10 heritage attributes it also meets criteria four with the historical

3:51:48associative ties to the hanlon family an important settler family at buslinch township and what is

3:51:57now the city of gulf it equally meets criteria seven being of contextual value as it is part of

3:52:05the historical character of the clear road east streetscape and there's a vestige of early farming

3:52:12landscape of buslinch township and what is now gulf the designation of the hanlon farmhouse at 331

3:52:22clear road east also aligns with the city of gulf's official plans policy and strategy now heritage

3:52:31gulf is totally convinced that the hanlon farmhouse at 331 clear road east has significant cultural

3:52:38heritage value and its heritage attributes should be protected by designation under part four of the

3:52:45ontario heritage act as my colleague mentioned now should the council with all the notice of

3:52:52intention to designate the city will not be able to refuse demolition of the house should an application

3:52:59be received on after january 1st 2025 as the property will be removed from the municipal register

3:53:07of cultural heritage properties in accordance with the changes to the ontario heritage act

3:53:13affected by bill 23 designation will enable the council to review the proposed alterations for the

3:53:20property enforce heritage property standards and maintenance and refuse demolition based on that

3:53:28heritage gulf recommends that the city council proceeds with the designation of the helton

3:53:34farmhouse at 331 clear road east pursuant of part four section 29 of the ontario heritage act

3:53:44thank you do you have any questions thank you thank you very much we just see if there is any

3:53:49follow-up questions there isn't any and thank you again for being here appreciate it thank you

3:53:56we do have one delegation as i said a barbara skinner is barbara here yep barbara's coming down

3:54:02hi barbara thank you for coming thank you and feel free again four minutes uh 30 seconds you'll

3:54:23hear a chime and then you've got five minutes in total you could go right ahead okay thank you

3:54:28thank you mayor guthrie and city council for hearing me tonight regarding the delegation

3:54:34for heritage at 331 clear road east well formally lot 11 concession eight push Lynch

3:54:43my name is barbara skinner the man that built the house at 331 clear road east in 1860 was my was

3:54:54james handlin it was my great great grandfather his father john handlin and his mother

3:55:02ellen my great great great grandparents came over from county carlow ireland in 1832

3:55:10with three young children that was sorry i'm a little nervous that was 192 years ago

3:55:20they settled in push Lynch like many of their relatives

3:55:27in this area my great great grandfather john purchased 100 acres as per the archives

3:55:37in 1849 from the crown as it has been written and they lived on the land as early as 1832 when

3:55:48they arrived at this time in history canada was a colony not a country he paid for the land

3:55:56in pounds and shillings over several years he wasn't allowed to clear the land except build a house

3:56:03to live on it until he purchased until the purchase was paid in full which took several years

3:56:10after the final payment john built the barn he farmed the land with his sons when james was in his

3:56:17twenties he built this beautiful stone home that we're talking about tonight he married marie more

3:56:23handlin they bought the home from his parents james and marie had 10 children and they raised

3:56:29these children in the home on the farm i can only imagine the life and times that they endured

3:56:36in the 1800s on the farm and in this house with his parents and 10 children uh there's several

3:56:44newspaper articles and other documents in various archives that i have found about james handlin

3:56:53senior his life and times with the family in this community they had a hard life on the farm but

3:57:01back then that's all they knew they worked hard lived a hard life family their faith in the community

3:57:09in push lynch was what was important to them from all the articles in the archives that i have read

3:57:16if only the walls in this house could tell us the stories of life back then and what it was like

3:57:22in that area i can only imagine one of the many articles i found in the archives on james handlin

3:57:29was a newspaper clipping with the headline push lynch pioneer dead in capitals mr james handlin

3:57:37senior passes away in a 74th year that was in 1904 it goes on to say how kind and respected he was

3:57:45in the community being never known being never known to turn his back on anyone needing help

3:57:52he was ever the poor man's friend i'm going to end on that because the last six weeks i have been

3:57:58going through several archives books historical society libraries the basilica of our lady immaculate

3:58:06reading and gathering wonderful information on the handlands i can only say how proud i am to be

3:58:13a great great granddaughter the handlin family their home and the farm are very important part

3:58:21this area three generations lived and worked on the farm and raised their children this house is

3:58:28an important part of history for my family and for the community of guelph i'm hoping that the

3:58:34historical value of this home is valued and that is designated a heritage home thank you very much

3:58:41for your time thank you you didn't even get to the chime so that's all good you did great

3:58:49let me just see if there's a follow-up question okay there oh there is one from council or work

3:58:55go ahead through you margoth read to miss skinner would you please also thank uh

3:59:00katelyn for her correspondence and uh thank you for just sort of bringing the history alive

3:59:05thank you and there was a few pictures i hope you all receive them thank you so much

3:59:11yes they were in the correspondence so thank you yeah we just always saw them

3:59:15uh oh it looks like councillor coran on the screen and then alt after coran okay so coran first

3:59:22sure uh not a question for the delegation this is to place the motion on the floor and then make

3:59:26some comments okay well i'm i haven't dismissed the delegate yet so if you could just wait a second

3:59:33that'd be great councillor Allt you had a hand up uh did you want to ask a question to the delegate

3:59:39you didn't either okay so just if everyone could just wait until you hear me say you know okay thank

3:59:45you to the delegates that'd be good so we can close that off thank you to the delegate we're good

3:59:49and we appreciate your time here all right and so councillor coran is moving and it looks like alt

3:59:56with probably second am i right perfect and then i can go to any questions at this time

4:00:03go downer any other questions then queson uh so just clarity with staff so uh heritage go off the um

4:00:15the the owner of this property came with their own consultant recommending designation right

4:00:21and say if since changed their mind uh i know they're objecting to the designation because city

4:00:27heritage staff have been generally supportive of relocation of the farmhouse and it's not needed

4:00:32is that what they're saying is that their only argument uh i think through count through you

4:00:39mr. mayor to councillor downer yes that's my understanding so they're not objecting to any

4:00:44other criteria which is what the designation is so i i'm just trying to okay so just sort of maybe

4:00:50speaking out lion like process that because how do you go how do you make a peel based on

4:00:55why i'm working well with staff instead of the criteria sort of uh anyway i guess that's more

4:01:01of a comment than uh i you know than than anyway okay i just wanted to clarify that thing

4:01:09perfect uh queson it's a similar question i guess but uh yeah and then a roark okay yep go ahead

4:01:17thank you through you merit to staff um i think i had a similar question to councillor downer

4:01:21i think i just wanted to understand you know we sat here a few months ago you know

4:01:26talked about the plan seemed like a good plan um you know we were excited i even remember the road

4:01:31you know the orientation the movement of the the building so that it could still be visible from the

4:01:35road you know we kind of sat here and we're like yay this is a great case for adaptive reuse especially

4:01:41in consideration of what's coming next um and i i think i just would like to understand what

4:01:45happened between then and now through the mayor to councillor Klassen um i i can't get into the

4:01:57objector's mind and they're not here to delegate but what i can tell you is before the heritage

4:02:02act changed we would have worked through the development process with an applicant and considered

4:02:09designation when they were through that process we no longer have that available to us we have to act

4:02:15when when there is a prescribed event and the prescribed event is a development application

4:02:20so there is a process available to um landowners under the heritage act to go through an objection

4:02:28and to an appeal to allow discussions to happen with staff while they're going through an application

4:02:36my understanding is they're using the tools available to them under the act okay um to follow

4:02:48then what then you know i know you can't get into the head of the developer but then what would be

4:02:53the intention of the of using this tool to you know what do they want to tear it down do they

4:03:00want to build more units like what is the intention there through the mayor i i can't respond to what

4:03:07their intention is but the process does allow under an appeal for discussions to occur around what

4:03:14attributes would be designated or not and to allow for changes to occur to a notice of intention

4:03:20to designate through the appeal process as opposed to having the designation in place and then coming

4:03:27back to council and seeking amendments to a designation bylaw so it's just a process under

4:03:32under the act that allows for for them to to go to an appeal okay thank you thank you thank you

4:03:42um i am so sorry it's a work that's right thank you anyone else uh just before i go further no

4:03:50just a work okay go ahead thanks mega three through you to staff i just want to be certain i

4:03:54understand what the risk would be of not proceeding with the designation so actually just at the

4:04:01handlin corner there right um gordon and arkall um the original developer was a local person they

4:04:08had given land for the for the high school all this stuff it was all going to be lovely

4:04:12but it's up for sale now right so if we don't designate and the land changed hands and there's

4:04:18no protection at all right regardless of what the original plans are is that a risk

4:04:24through the mayor to councillor auroric if council chooses to not designate at this time we lose our

4:04:30opportunity to designate this property because of the wording of the act that only allows us to

4:04:35consider it at a prescribed event that's very clear thank you thanks and karana as well please

4:04:43with a question yeah no questions just comments all right we're at we're at uh comments go ahead

4:04:49okay great um thank you uh and i really appreciate it i i knew i couldn't ask a question of the

4:04:54delegation but i did want to express my sincere thanks to both katelin and barba for bringing

4:04:59forward additional photographs um that helped to frame the importance of this house i recall

4:05:06touring this house prior to it changing hands into developer hands from private hands to

4:05:11development hands so i can i can attest to its heritage value i was one of those who would have

4:05:16liked to have saved the summer kitchen and would have liked to have the house remain in situ and

4:05:20would have liked to have the neighborhood um designed around it but i gave up all of those

4:05:26dreams yeah because i knew that the designation would proceed and that at least we would get the

4:05:31main house protected in some form or another um for my ward six um colleagues well for all of my

4:05:39colleagues um we had a when we annexed this portion part of the south end of the city

4:05:45we had an agreement i don't know if it was a gentle person's agreement or a formal agreement with the

4:05:50township of pus lunch that we would protect the heritage that was there at the time of annexation

4:05:55uh Doyle Eustace uh Monroe Claire uh Farley um and uh Hanlon were all farmhouses that existed

4:06:07at that time all all the two are gone um some of them are the the Claire farmhouse is a replica

4:06:13the Tolton farmhouse is a traffic circle um this this farm uh 331 Claire is one of only two that

4:06:21remain out of this quadrant um that we uh agreed to protect so i see that this designation is is

4:06:28just a uh imperative part of that agreement uh and uh the the developer as counselor downer said

4:06:35agreed that it met the criteria and was willing to move forward so i i implore this um to be a

4:06:42unanimous um signal to both the development community uh and the community as a whole that

4:06:48we value our heritage and we will um go through the proper process to protect it

4:06:55thank you counselor old did you have a comment as well thank you very much mayor Guthrie yes i do

4:07:02um my my comment about the people and about building um because uh there is as counselor

4:07:09cron rightly pointed out uh such an absence of heritage markers in the south end i believe it

4:07:17does behoove us to support this unanimously but i think we also have to do that because of the

4:07:22families that we need to remember as well i remember when i was a high school student working

4:07:28with a john hamlin at st joseph's hospital uh washing dishes in the hospital and uh and his

4:07:35brother as well the hamlin's were a significant part of this community and one of the pad hamlin

4:07:41was also a counselor uh for the city of guelph actually an alderman at that time as well it's

4:07:47not just about building it's about people and the way we remember people is with structures

4:07:57we're also recognizing just as we're coming up to st patrick's day some of guelph's irish history

4:08:03by remembering the hamlin's and the fireleys and everyone else who have settled this area so uh let's

4:08:09make it unanimous okay thank you so much all right hearing and seeing nothing further on this uh i

4:08:19will call the vote is anyone against the designation and the and to not accept the objection

4:08:27that's unanimous thank you so much uh we're going to move on it looks like uh why don't we uh