Staff to reconstruct the Wyndham Street North corridor as follows: Wyndham Street – Carden Street to Woolwich Street as one lane of traffic in each direction…

2:15:49We have a couple delegations up for the first item for discussion.

2:15:54We have our first delegation in person.

2:15:57Adam Donaldson, this is in regards

2:15:59to the Windham Street North Cross section and St. George's

2:16:02Square intersection.

2:16:03And that's in person.

2:16:05And then we have one more, Chuck Nash, the Downtown Golf

2:16:08Business Association chair will be joining us by telephone.

2:16:12Adam, you know the drill.

2:16:14No more than five minutes.

2:16:15Chime at four minutes and 30 seconds.

2:16:18I'll turn it over to you.

2:16:19Thank you.

2:16:19Good evening.

2:16:20I'm here to speak on behalf of a group of people

2:16:23that use St. George's Square who were not mentioned

2:16:26or represented at Committee of the Whole earlier this month.

2:16:28And that is golf transit users.

2:16:30We're still here.

2:16:31We're still angry.

2:16:32And we are still waiting for this council

2:16:34to deliver on its promise and the promise of your predecessors

2:16:38to deliver transit that is fast, fair, and frequent.

2:16:42Came as no surprise to me that when

2:16:43I was consulting the reports and materials included

2:16:46under Windham Street North Cross section and St. George's

2:16:48Square intersection, that there was hardly

2:16:51any mention of transit at all.

2:16:53Only vague inferences that transit vehicles

2:16:55would be among those that would continue to have access

2:16:58to the new two-lane version of Upper Windham.

2:17:03However, St. George's Square is more than just a spot

2:17:05for buses to pass through on their way

2:17:07to and from Guelph Central Station.

2:17:10Since this is something that council is unlikely to realize

2:17:12from their own experiences, I must note

2:17:14that a number of routes stop in St. George's Square

2:17:18or they allow transit riders the rare convenience and choice

2:17:22in how they access the system.

2:17:24The number three stops in St. George's Square.

2:17:27The number 10 stops in St. George's Square.

2:17:30The number 11 stops in St. George's Square.

2:17:34The number 12 stops in St. George's Square.

2:17:37The number 13 stops in St. George's Square.

2:17:40And the number 20 stops in St. George's Square.

2:17:43It allows many users to transfer buses

2:17:45or access the northern end of downtown

2:17:48without having to backtrack from Central Station.

2:17:50And it would be a shame if disconnectivity were

2:17:53to be lost in the name of what I consider

2:17:55unhelpful virtue signaling.

2:17:58I also have extraordinary doubts

2:18:00that this plan will maintain the flow of traffic

2:18:02by keeping two lanes open while preserving on-street parking.

2:18:05I was traveling on Guelph Transit on the weekend

2:18:09and the bus was stopped four times

2:18:12between Norfolk and Central Station.

2:18:15Stuck behind a car, sitting on a parking space,

2:18:19waiting for one person to leave so that they could drive in.

2:18:23And this was even while the parkades

2:18:24did mostly empty.

2:18:25It was on Saturday, so it wasn't a Guelph Storm day.

2:18:30Downtown Guelph does not have the parking problem

2:18:32that many people think it does.

2:18:33And even if it did, they don't promote their options.

2:18:36Transit buses arrive in downtown Guelph

2:18:39from all corners of the city at least twice an hour.

2:18:43But this never seemed to warrant a mention

2:18:46on the Downtown Guelph Business Association's own website.

2:18:49So I'm forced to wonder,

2:18:51why is downtown so hostile to transit

2:18:54that brings people to their businesses?

2:18:58As it stands today, trying to board a bus

2:18:59and saying Georgia Square is an occasional

2:19:01excruciating exercise.

2:19:03I have sometimes witnessed people parking in the bus stop

2:19:06in complete indifference and callousness to the fact

2:19:09that it is properly signed.

2:19:11And there are usually two or three people

2:19:12waiting for the bus.

2:19:15It wasn't always this way.

2:19:16Over a decade ago, St. George's Square

2:19:17was the rallying point for all Guelph Transit buses.

2:19:21But now there's only one lonely shelter

2:19:23to remind you that this is a place

2:19:24where you can get on and off a transit bus.

2:19:27Mostly it's just another open street

2:19:28ready to receive as much car traffic

2:19:30as we can shove down it.

2:19:33Canadians to be profoundly disappointing that this city,

2:19:36which faints to be sensitive to environmental concerns

2:19:38to a greater degree than any other Canadian municipality

2:19:41keeps falling on its face by not taking care of the basics

2:19:45and building a transit system that people want to use,

2:19:48want to use.

2:19:51Now it seems like we're ready to finally remove transit

2:19:53from St. George's Square permanently.

2:19:55Am I wrong?

2:19:58I don't know.

2:19:59But I think if it was important,

2:20:01would have been mentioned in the report.

2:20:03And it wasn't.

2:20:05I hope Council has some intelligent questions for staff

2:20:08that might ensure that any future plans for Upper Wyndham

2:20:11and St. George's Square include transit and transit users.

2:20:15Thank you.

2:20:17Okay, thank you so much.

2:20:18Any follow up questions?

2:20:19Councillor Downer, please.

2:20:21Yeah, through you, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Donaldson.

2:20:23So is it a concern that because it's single lanes,

2:20:28it won't get down there fast enough

2:20:30or that there won't be stops in St. George's Square?

2:20:33Both.

2:20:35Okay.

2:20:37Thank you. Is there anything else?

2:20:39No, thank you very much, Adam.

2:20:41Thank you.

2:20:42Oh, sorry, Adam.

2:20:43Sorry, did Leigh Ann have your hand?

2:20:45I'm sorry, Councillor Caron,

2:20:46did you have your hand up or no?

2:20:48No, it was going to be a staff question.

2:20:50Thanks.

2:20:50Okay, no problem, Adam.

2:20:52Thank you.

2:20:52And while I go to you,

2:20:55well, first of all,

2:20:55would someone be willing to at least move the recommendations

2:20:58so that we can get that on the floor?

2:21:01Thank you, Councillor Allt and Gawler.

2:21:03And then while I go to you, Councillor Caron,

2:21:04for the first question to staff.

2:21:06Sure, through you, Mr. Mayor.

2:21:07So the delegation's brought up a significant point

2:21:11that buses will go through this intersection.

2:21:13That's a given.

2:21:16Without a lay-by, it could cause some traffic issues.

2:21:22Is a lay-by already?

2:21:25I mean, we saw the drawings, we've got the report.

2:21:28Is this something that can be incorporated

2:21:30into recommendation, I believe it's clause 1B?

2:21:36We've given direction that it be an offset intersection

2:21:39similar to existing conditions

2:21:41with operational improvements.

2:21:43We've specifically stated separated

2:21:45undirectional bike paths.

2:21:47Would you also like direction

2:21:49to incorporate transit lay-bys into the design?

2:21:54Or is that something that you had already anticipated

2:21:58in detailed design?

2:22:02Sure, we'll have staff respond to that.

2:22:05And just before you do,

2:22:06just so everyone knows that I didn't skip somebody,

2:22:09our next delegation was unavailable.

2:22:11Okay, so that's why Chuck wasn't on.

2:22:14And I went right to staff.

2:22:16So to staff our Councillor Caron's question.

2:22:19So through the matter, Councillor Caron,

2:22:21I'll start on behalf of transit

2:22:22and then may ask Ms. Holmes to jump in.

2:22:24So I don't wanna speak in specifics about the details

2:22:28because I'm not as familiar with that,

2:22:29but to reassure you that our transit staff

2:22:32have been well involved in this process throughout

2:22:34in terms of the design of the square

2:22:36and working with the transportation and engineering staff

2:22:39to make sure that we are doing what we need to do

2:22:42to maintain transit access through the square

2:22:45under this current design.

2:22:47So to the extent that I can give you the reassurance

2:22:49that our staff have worked well together on this design

2:22:51and that transit needs have been considered,

2:22:54I'll give you that reassurance

2:22:55and I'll look to see if Ms. Holmes wants to add anything.

2:22:58Sure, thank you.

2:22:59And through you, Mr. Mayor.

2:23:02And again, just to echo that we've been working collaboratively

2:23:05actually quite closely with transit

2:23:07over the last couple of years on this project.

2:23:10I know that we are not proposing parking in the areas

2:23:13where buses currently stop

2:23:15and we are maintaining those existing bus stops

2:23:19that we have right now.

2:23:20So a lot of this detail will come out

2:23:23as we go through detailed design.

2:23:25What you're looking at today is the concept,

2:23:26but as we go through detailed design,

2:23:28we'll certainly make sure that transit concerns are addressed.

2:23:34Thanks, Councillor Kerrani.

2:23:35You still have the floor if you need it.

2:23:36Yeah, I guess specifically,

2:23:42the recommendation specifically states

2:23:46separated unidirectional bike paths.

2:23:49So is there, given that that's such a specific ask,

2:23:56I wonder whether there's benefit to Council

2:24:00putting an amendment and I'm looking for direction here

2:24:04where we ensure that transit boarding and offloading

2:24:11are included in the design.

2:24:15Only because the bike paths are so specific

2:24:17in the recommendation and transit isn't.

2:24:22If you're telling me you don't need specifics

2:24:25in the recommendation to ensure that those

2:24:27are part of detailed design,

2:24:29then I'm gonna trust you on that

2:24:30and we will have the minutes from the meeting

2:24:34to fall back on if we need to.

2:24:35But if you do want direction, tell us now.

2:24:44Through you, Mr. Mayor, to Councillor Kerrani,

2:24:46we don't need specific directions,

2:24:47so we'll take the concerns that we have heard today

2:24:49and make sure that we're incorporating that

2:24:52in the detailed design.

2:24:54Councillor Downer.

2:24:56So I just wanna be clear,

2:24:58the design I'm looking at has transit labis in it.

2:25:04Yes, our staff are saying that.

2:25:07So we have transit labis in option two, right?

2:25:12But we're not going with option two, right?

2:25:14So we'll just know which one.

2:25:16Actually, they all have.

2:25:22Yeah, because the diagrams I'm looking at.

2:25:24Maybe we could ask our head engineer,

2:25:27Stacy, from downtown.

2:25:29Maybe they could come down just to inform us

2:25:33a little bit here.

2:25:34So I see labis and I see with,

2:25:36still with two lanes of traffic,

2:25:39and the lay by and the bike lanes.

2:25:44So the parking is taken out of these sections.

2:25:48Is that the way it is?

2:26:01So good evening, everyone.

2:26:02And through you, Mayor,

2:26:03I got through to Councillor Downer.

2:26:04So what we're seeing is the EA conceptual design level

2:26:07of information.

2:26:08Certainly we're existing bus lay by areas

2:26:11or stops or things like that exist now.

2:26:14They're shown, for example, and shown in concept.

2:26:17And as Ms. Holmes has said,

2:26:19the detailed design process will be very integrated

2:26:22with our transit team and our transit operations folks

2:26:25to make sure that all of the necessary things

2:26:26that they require will be embedded in the design.

2:26:29Okay, so even though this is a concept now,

2:26:32and you're going to get into detailed design,

2:26:33but this concept has transit labis in them.

2:26:37That's my understanding.

2:26:38It doesn't impede.

2:26:42I mean, there is still is parking definitely up

2:26:44and down Wyndham, but that would be the two lanes,

2:26:48but the bus will not, once it goes into the lay by, it's still,

2:26:53okay, that's fine.

2:26:55Yeah.

2:26:59I was simply going to say, Mr. Mayor, that that's correct.

2:27:04Okay.

2:27:05Is there any other questions at this time?

2:27:08Councillor Busuttil, please.

2:27:13Work?

2:27:14Yeah, it's coming through great.

2:27:15Thank you.

2:27:16I just had a question for staff,

2:27:19whether or not in consideration of the options

2:27:21and the design, not just consultation with transit,

2:27:26but does it improve the transit service delivery?

2:27:30Is that one of the key objectives of the design changes

2:27:35and modifications?

2:27:36Thank you.

2:27:42Through the mayor to Councillor Busuttil,

2:27:44certainly we look at everything through the lens

2:27:46of making sure that we are,

2:27:48we're possible improving transit,

2:27:50but at the very least making sure

2:27:52we're not impacting transit negatively.

2:27:55And so again, I don't wanna get too far into the details

2:27:58and make commitments without those,

2:28:01our transit planning staff here,

2:28:03but I again, can just reassure that transit staff

2:28:07have been integral to this planning.

2:28:09And I am confident in saying that this plan

2:28:12does not negatively impact transit

2:28:14and that the conversations between transit

2:28:16and engineering about a number of different ways

2:28:18to improve our transit system have been factored into this

2:28:22and all of the discussions that they have.

2:28:27Thank you.

2:28:30Thank you, Councillor Goller.

2:28:33Thank you, through your worship to staff.

2:28:36Looking at the report, I see the list of the different

2:28:40engagements that were done,

2:28:42but I'm hearing from the delegate today

2:28:45and also we received a letter from the transit

2:28:48action alliance of Guelph.

2:28:49Could I just hear from staff in terms of the involvement

2:28:52from the community?

2:28:53And then there's an advisory committee to transit

2:28:57where they involved and they provided input.

2:29:01Through the mayor to Councillor Goller.

2:29:02So just for clarification,

2:29:04the transit advisory committee is the council appointed

2:29:06committee and we do meet with them monthly

2:29:09and review a number of transit related matters.

2:29:13I don't want to speak specifically about

2:29:17if and when this was considered on their agenda

2:29:18simply because I don't have that information in front of me

2:29:20as to when it may have been.

2:29:22The transit, the tag letter that you're referring to,

2:29:27we were not contacted by TAG in advance

2:29:30and did not have discussions with them about their submission

2:29:33and we are comfortable that again,

2:29:36what our transit staff have been discussing

2:29:38with the transportation and engineering team

2:29:40has well addressed any concerns

2:29:42and so we don't share their concern.

2:29:45Okay, thank you and as a follow up to that,

2:29:47moving forward, where would be the next opportunity

2:29:52for the public to provide input

2:29:53as we go into the detailed design?

2:29:58So through the mayor, I'm simply gonna comment

2:29:59on the transit side of things,

2:30:00which is that we will continue

2:30:02to engage our transit advisory committee.

2:30:04That having been set our transit staff

2:30:06do reach out to TAG regularly and offer to meet,

2:30:09they just haven't taken us up on that offer.

2:30:12So on the transit side,

2:30:13we will continue to use our transit advisory committee

2:30:16as our lens or mechanism through which we consult on transit

2:30:20but that's a very narrow transit specific response.

2:30:22So I'll turn to Terri and Stacey to see if they can comment

2:30:25on the broader community engagement.

2:30:28Thank you DCO Clackbush and through the mayor,

2:30:31certainly there's a number of community touch points

2:30:33coming up, Councillor Goller,

2:30:34with respect to sort of the program overall

2:30:36in terms of downtown reconstruction

2:30:39as early as March of this year,

2:30:40we'll be talking to the community

2:30:41about the capital implementation plan.

2:30:43We'll be in front of council again in April

2:30:46with respect to streetscaping levels of service

2:30:48and those kinds of things through the workshop.

2:30:50So there's a number of checkpoints coming in

2:30:51and then as we get into the detailed designs

2:30:53for each given stretch of reconstruction in downtown,

2:30:56we will follow our standard process

2:30:59for any sort of reconstruction work that we do

2:31:01where we have public information centers,

2:31:03things of that nature where we can engage

2:31:04and answer community questions.

2:31:06Okay, thank you very much.

2:31:08And so that I understand that that point,

2:31:11so far we've only seen a cross section.

2:31:13When you come back to us in March, April,

2:31:16during the spring and summer,

2:31:18will we see the detailed layout of the whole street

2:31:20and will the public have an opportunity to comment

2:31:23on that before it is finalized?

2:31:27So through the mayor to Councillor Goller,

2:31:29so the March and April opportunities

2:31:32are more about streetscaping levels of service,

2:31:34capital implementation, how should the construction go?

2:31:37Those types of questions

2:31:38are what we'll be asking the community.

2:31:40With respect to detailed design,

2:31:41certainly we go out to the community,

2:31:43we don't go out at 100% design.

2:31:45So for designs like this,

2:31:46we may go at 60 or 90%, things like that,

2:31:48where we can hear from the community,

2:31:49make sure we understand the information

2:31:52that they might be able to offer

2:31:53so we can make any adjustments.

2:31:55Okay, thank you.

2:31:56And what is the timeline that we could expect

2:31:59to see that 60% design

2:32:02so we can actually see what the street might look like?

2:32:05So through the mayor to Councillor Goller,

2:32:06we are in the consultant procurement process right now.

2:32:09So the consultant award,

2:32:11I'm hoping will be within the next few weeks.

2:32:13And then it really depends on their schedule

2:32:15and what they provide to us,

2:32:16but it's possible that that could be later this year

2:32:19or if not in 2025.

2:32:20Okay, thank you.

2:32:21Thank you, Worship.

2:32:23Thank you.

2:32:23And then finally is Councillor Downer and then it'll work.

2:32:27Yeah, so just maybe a question or suggestion.

2:32:30So I sort of am seeing when we do their options,

2:32:34it talks about the key features pros and cons

2:32:37and talks about overall talks about pedestrians,

2:32:41the pros and cons for cyclists,

2:32:42the pros and cons for roadway and public realm.

2:32:45So maybe what I'm hearing without transit being mentioned,

2:32:50it's not mentioned.

2:32:51So when we come back in the future

2:32:56on the designs for the downtown

2:32:59and this could we sort of have transit included

2:33:01as sort of in those types of charts

2:33:03that talk about pros and cons just as for the pros,

2:33:06so that we have that information as well.

2:33:11So through the mayor,

2:33:12if I understand the question, Councillor Downer,

2:33:14really what we're doing for the environmental assessment

2:33:16process is where you look at sort of the feasibility study

2:33:18angle.

2:33:19So what are the options, what are the pros and cons?

2:33:21Once we move forward with an option

2:33:22and get into detailed design,

2:33:24we don't really come forward with the same type of analysis.

2:33:27So what I can simply say is,

2:33:30the options in front of council this evening,

2:33:34they're compliant with the quality transit network

2:33:35identified in our transportation master plan,

2:33:38our transit staff are well synced in as you've heard

2:33:41and we're gonna continue to work with them,

2:33:42which is our standard practice in all of our designs.

2:33:45Okay, so when we,

2:33:48when any time this is reported back though

2:33:50is what I'm suggesting is that transit is referenced as well.

2:33:54I understand that we've picking an option now

2:33:57and that's what we have in this environmental assessment,

2:34:00but when we come back with any kind of information on this,

2:34:04that that be sort of updated that way.

2:34:08Through the mayor, I can certainly take the feedback back.

2:34:10I'm just trying to think of one the appropriate point

2:34:13in process there would be and realistically,

2:34:16things like capital implementation plan

2:34:18is around construction sequencing.

2:34:19It's not around detailed design elements.

2:34:21So there's not necessarily with common

2:34:23with all of our construction projects,

2:34:24a council check-in with respect to detailed design, right?

2:34:29Those things are usually through multi-year budget approved,

2:34:31design construct and we proceed.

2:34:34So even on our streetscaping though,

2:34:36will it not include the transit elements

2:34:39in St. George's Square?

2:34:41So certainly from a street scaping perspective,

2:34:44we will go through that at the April workshop

2:34:46and report back in June with respect to sort of

2:34:50what staff's recommendation is with respect

2:34:52to street scaping levels so that we can then go

2:34:53and build the budget confirmation.

2:34:55I'm sorry, maybe I'm just misunderstanding,

2:34:57but I'm just with respect to detailed design,

2:34:59there's not really a return point to council.

2:35:02Yeah, okay.

2:35:03But sort of when that comes back, even for that,

2:35:05that will incorporate the designs.

2:35:07Yeah, okay.

2:35:12Okay, we'll go to council or work and then the CAO

2:35:15for wrap up comments.

2:35:19I'll go to you councillor, go ahead.

2:35:21Thank you, Mayor Guthrie, through you to staff.

2:35:22So I asked questions about transit at Community the Hole

2:35:25earlier this month about sort of to Mr. Donaldson's point,

2:35:31will a bus be caught behind a vehicle

2:35:34that's waiting to park or a delivery truck?

2:35:39So I'm wondering, are there ways to mitigate that potential?

2:35:44And because if I understand Q-Jump lanes properly,

2:35:47there wouldn't be a whole lot of potential

2:35:49for a technology like that.

2:35:51So I'm just wondering, what are some mitigating factors

2:35:55that might help ensure that the transit continues

2:35:58to run on time given the new design?

2:36:07Mr. Mayor, why don't I jump in a little bit here?

2:36:09Because I think I can actually be helpful to,

2:36:12you know, the last series of questions.

2:36:14You've got a massive, massive, massive

2:36:16downtown projects on our hands.

2:36:18We happen to be, we've got a delegate tonight

2:36:21that's asking about transit and that's important,

2:36:24but so is it all.

2:36:25So, you know, you've just mentioned delivery.

2:36:27So we've paid a lot of attention to,

2:36:29what does that mean for folks in the downtown

2:36:32that need those deliveries?

2:36:34And how can we accommodate that?

2:36:35But we also want people to park,

2:36:36but there's parking garages that aren't always full.

2:36:39So as always, the professional staff

2:36:41will take all of those into consideration.

2:36:43And I think the great opportunity,

2:36:45I mean, my gosh, I started here in 2015

2:36:47and this EA was underway.

2:36:49So there has been a ton of opportunities

2:36:52for people to come out and comment

2:36:54on the actual environmental assessment and the design work,

2:36:57but there will be a ton of opportunities

2:36:59as we update all the things that will happen in the downtown.

2:37:03And, you know, and especially as the downtown council

2:37:06would know, but all of you would know,

2:37:08that's when we'll actually then start to put things

2:37:10in front of the community with more detailed design,

2:37:13but expectation wise, it shouldn't be that offline

2:37:16of what you would have approved at committee

2:37:19the whole in this evening.

2:37:21So if it's one lane and then we're shown up with five,

2:37:23something drastic has gone on and we will accommodate transit,

2:37:27you know, can we accommodate all the things

2:37:30that might happen on any given day on Wyndham?

2:37:33No, but we may be able to accommodate,

2:37:36look, Wednesdays is the best day and there's a lane for that.

2:37:39And, you know, so that's the ongoing work

2:37:41that will take place to the broader issue

2:37:44of this transformational intergenerational project.

2:37:48And there'll be lots of updates there.

2:37:49And I think that's councillor downer,

2:37:51that might be where a lot of that information will be shared.

2:37:54There'll be open houses because you're going to have residents

2:37:57that will be concerned.

2:37:58Will there be construction in the evenings?

2:38:01I think that's equally as important to the discussion tonight,

2:38:03but we haven't got all those details worked out.

2:38:05Or from a merchant's perspective, the street will be closed.

2:38:09How will people get to me and how will my business survive?

2:38:12So we've got lots of work to do.

2:38:15The decisions got to get made

2:38:16and then you get to a lot of that detail.

2:38:18There is no way that transit is at the bottom of this list,

2:38:21but there's no way that deliveries are at the top either.

2:38:24So we've got that balancing act.

2:38:25And we've got to make sure that the engagement process

2:38:28that you've got us a protocol we have, we will include that.

2:38:32And I think there'll be lots of time for you to come out

2:38:34to those open houses as well in those sessions

2:38:37to work through all of this as we get closer to detail.

2:38:40So I hope you see it as tonight,

2:38:42that staff are uncertain whether we got it

2:38:44and it's going to be incorporated.

2:38:47And the EA happened to pick up on the subject line

2:38:49that's in their bi-directional bike lanes.

2:38:51That was important just because of this,

2:38:55is this an act of, I won't even try not to say it,

2:38:59traffic circle, and that was a debate for a long time too.

2:39:03So that's just general direction.

2:39:05I think we're all over this.

2:39:07And there'll be lots of opportunity

2:39:09for both the residential folks and our business folks

2:39:12in this community to continue to stay well informed

2:39:15of what we're up to.

2:39:17And we won't deviate that far away from this plan.

2:39:19I can't say that loud enough.

2:39:21We have got to get to action and stop talking.

2:39:23These EA's take way too long.

2:39:26Hopefully that's helpful in terms of those information,

2:39:29things will come along for the public

2:39:30to continue to be fully engaged.

2:39:37Thank you, DCO, CAO's, through you, Margarit,

2:39:40through staff.

2:39:41And I'm just wondering, so we're talking about transit

2:39:44because it has come up in the context of this EA,

2:39:46but we don't have like a transit commission

2:39:49or a councillor sit.

2:39:49So we get to talk about transit

2:39:51when a master plan comes or a route review comes,

2:39:56but will there be an opportunity to look at transit

2:39:59holistically because there are some changes planned

2:40:02for Guelph Central Station.

2:40:04There will be transit impacts.

2:40:06So I'm just wondering, what's the mechanism for that

2:40:08to come back?

2:40:09Is it an information report?

2:40:10Does it come back at a certain point?

2:40:11And really, I understand that it's a separate issue

2:40:14from Wyndham, but we're looking at Wyndham Street

2:40:18and not connecting it over to Cardin, right?

2:40:21So that's my, I'm just trying to understand,

2:40:22what's the right forum for us to have that information?

2:40:27Through you, Mr. Mayor, a couple of,

2:40:29let me answer that a couple of ways.

2:40:30A, I think every time that you see Ms. Laughlin at the table,

2:40:33you'll understand that the entire downtown has been reviewed.

2:40:36And she's not letting any of us not look at the downtown

2:40:39in an isolated sliver.

2:40:41The other part of this is we are having

2:40:43current discussions with people, folks,

2:40:45agencies like Metrolinx.

2:40:47What's your focus in the station?

2:40:50And is there a reason that we would have a station

2:40:52and you have a station and why is yours not open?

2:40:54And doesn't your clientele, our clientele,

2:40:56want to actually have some place to shelter?

2:40:59And there's lots of back and forth behind the scenes on that,

2:41:02not ready for primetime yet, although I just said that out loud.

2:41:05So I think there's lots of places

2:41:07that we will likely come back to you to just say so.

2:41:11Here's that subset, the master plan on transit,

2:41:14that's not subservient to, but sits in the downtown projects

2:41:20so that we can't let, with all due respect,

2:41:21we can't let Mr. Gamanoff and doing all kinds of crazy things

2:41:24on infrastructure and not contemplate

2:41:26what that means above ground.

2:41:28And I know he doesn't not contemplate that.

2:41:30But so I think we will have something separate for that

2:41:34because there might be a change in maybe how we do some service

2:41:37in the downtown.

2:41:38And then there's other things that make a change.

2:41:425,000 students from Conestoga make a change.

2:41:45And what does that change look like?

2:41:47And does this change accommodate it

2:41:49so that we can move people in and out of the downtown on transit?

2:41:52So there likely will be, as we get closer to some details

2:41:56on some of these other big capital expenditures,

2:41:59an opportunity to put that in front of you to say,

2:42:01so this is an opportunity for some change

2:42:05that sits within the big broad-based plan,

2:42:09but to transit specific.

2:42:10And I went to the central station component of it.

2:42:13But that's our central station too.

2:42:16And is there an opportunity for something there

2:42:18that's maybe more excited than what takes place today?

2:42:21So hopefully that answers it as well.

2:42:23We've got to bring this stuff to you

2:42:24so that you can A, see action and then B,

2:42:26see how we're implementing it.

2:42:28And if we have to make some changes,

2:42:29we should adjust whether it's segregated bike lines everywhere.

2:42:35My comment to staff is let's move those things through.

2:42:38But half a loaf is better than no loaf.

2:42:39Like we have got to stop thinking and planning

2:42:42and never doing, and this is the doing part now.

2:42:45So we will bring the other changes back to you,

2:42:47Councillor O'Rourke, so that you as the Board of Governors

2:42:50are well in tune with everything.

2:42:54Thank you.

2:42:55Okay, so before I call the vote,

2:42:58I got to yes or no question

2:43:00to wrap up all the questions that we've had.

2:43:02You've heard us.

2:43:03We're looking for some kind of a touch point

2:43:06that specifically addresses any transit concerns

2:43:10that might pop up as we move forward in detail design

2:43:13and other reports, opportunities, workshops, open houses.

2:43:18We're going to hear about it.

2:43:19Through you, Mr. Yer.

2:43:20Yes. Thank you.

2:43:22That's all we need to hear. Thank you.

2:43:24Okay, I will look to call the vote then.

2:43:27Is anyone against?

2:43:30Nobody, that's unanimous.

2:43:32Thank you very much.

2:43:33And thank you to staff.