Guelph City Council respectfully requests that The County of Wellington, as the area Social Services Manager…

57:39Um, okay, we're going to go on to 5.2 usage of city hall as an overnight warming and cooling center

57:47And this item was pulled from the may 22nd

57:51Information items and councillor Caton will speak to the site and beat and then we'll go to the dell to the dell

57:58delegations

58:02Thank you. I have a motion

58:05seconded by councillor busetel that I'd like to have

58:08So can we just hold on the motion yet? I just well we'll have the motions after the delegations

58:15But if you could sorry but for before the delegations speak if you want to speak a bit to this item

58:21To introduce it to them

58:23Because there's no reports or anything

58:26Yeah, um, so

58:28We just saw a record number of people using city hall as an overnight shelter when it was open

58:34At night during extreme weather warnings and those who reached out to me listed a number of barriers. They had

58:40accessing the services

58:42There was a lack of clarity on alternatives in the case of access barriers

58:47from the residents that I spoke with so

58:50I'm just looking to talk about having

58:54The county provider review of their processes provide a publicly available document

58:59So prop so processes are transparent to those who need the services or are supporting them

59:04and potentially creating a 24 access

59:07line for people in need who can't physically attend the shelters who need help either for long-term planning

59:12Or for an immediate need in case of extreme weather

59:15And I know that like all the municipalities and agencies involved in the service want to ensure everyone has a safe

59:21Access for a place to sleep and I think that clear processes will help achieve our shared goal

59:26So that's why I pulled this motion or pulled this report to talk about

59:31Great. Thank you. Okay. We're going to go to our delegations now and the first one is morgan

59:36Dandy is she here or is she online?

59:41She's online. Okay

59:54Through you madam chair. We have the delegate morgan dandy online morgan. You'll just need to

59:58Unmute and turn on your video if you'd like to participate with video

1:00:07Do you hear us morgan?

1:00:13Perhaps madam chair. We could go to the next delegate and then circle back with morgan at that. Okay. Let's go to michelle bowman

1:00:20and then we'll

1:00:33so miss bowman, you know the

1:00:36The rules right there five minutes and then 30 seconds before you'll get a warning. Thank you go ahead

1:00:42Okay, thanks very much for the opportunity to speak

1:00:46Today I came with a very simple ask

1:00:50that council consider recommending

1:00:53That the information

1:00:55on fed through or weather alerts related to adverse health outcomes

1:01:01Be published on the city's website and also on the county's website. So these are yellow orange and red alerts that

1:01:10represent increased risks of adverse health outcomes

1:01:15I just want to clarify that

1:01:18throughout this whole process of

1:01:20um

1:01:22Putting the delegation together that I never expected

1:01:26This information to trigger any kind of response that is outside that described in

1:01:34Councillor Caton's motion or the staff report

1:01:37So it was simply for information that I think is really important

1:01:43For unsheltered people and their support networks to have and to be aware of

1:01:50Um, so before I start with that, I just like to say I support

1:01:54Councillor Caton's motion. I think it's really important that

1:01:58We ensure that no individuals fall through the cracks. We know that people have been falling through the cracks

1:02:05Um, but I support the motion with one caveat and that is that the city

1:02:11And think about a backup plan if the county is unable to deliver

1:02:17on filling those cracks

1:02:19So it's been clear for a number of winters

1:02:23Um, that the public has no appetite to leave people out in the cold and these adverse

1:02:30weather

1:02:32situations

1:02:33so on to

1:02:35Weather events the focus on the city website and also on the county website

1:02:41especially the county website

1:02:44Is on heat and cold alerts

1:02:47But there are many other alerts issued by the federal government

1:02:52um

1:02:53And I'd like to draw particular attention to

1:02:57the orange alerts. So these

1:03:00Events are uncommon, but we do see them through every season

1:03:05And they are consequential to unsheltered people

1:03:09so

1:03:10Things examples include in the winter ice and snow accumulation

1:03:15Um, and it was actually during one of our typical ice storms that we get a couple times of winter

1:03:22When I rectinize this disconnect in focusing on temperature alone

1:03:28Anytime we can have

1:03:30increased winds or decreased visibility

1:03:33And in the summer we have thunderstorms and heavy rainfalls. I think this summer will be

1:03:40particularly

1:03:42Important to consider these because we're now officially in an El Nino event, which means

1:03:48It'll be a wetter and cooler summer

1:03:51And thunderstorms and heavy rainfalls will be more significant

1:03:56Um, so just a couple of examples of how this might relate to unsheltered people

1:04:02Tents collapsing or washed away a lot of people camp right near the rivers

1:04:07Which can be really dangerous rivers can

1:04:10increase flow very quickly

1:04:13Especially in saturated conditions if we get lots of rainfall

1:04:17So those are just two examples of how this matters to unsheltered individuals and the people trying to support them

1:04:25So I'll just repeat where I started

1:04:27I'm hoping that council will recommend that the information on how these federal weather alerts relate to adverse health outcomes

1:04:36Can be published on the city and county websites

1:04:40And it would simply be a short paragraph a couple two or three

1:04:45Um sentences

1:04:46With the links that I've provided in my written delegation. Thank you

1:04:52Thank you. Are there any questions of miss bowman?

1:04:56Seeing none. Thank you very much

1:04:59Do we want to go back to uh, mcgin dandy?

1:05:04Okay, morgan. Are you there?

1:05:08You press uh

1:05:11I'm mute six

1:05:20Hello, I think it has there we go

1:05:23There you go. Okay, we can hear you

1:05:27The video might start. I don't know

1:05:31Thank you so much chair downer for this opportunity to address council with regard to

1:05:37having

1:05:39a report

1:05:40on

1:05:41how people

1:05:43Are let into or not let into our current shelter provider

1:05:48One of the things that I have learned

1:05:51through being

1:05:53within the community

1:05:55spending time at royal city mission

1:05:57spending time at stepping stone talking to people on the street

1:06:01Talking to people that are living in tents in various locations throughout the city

1:06:08There are definite barriers and a lot of people don't understand

1:06:14Why

1:06:15they're being

1:06:17Disallowed from going into places

1:06:20I've recognized that this has become more difficult post covet. It's become more difficult

1:06:28since

1:06:29There are more people

1:06:31needing

1:06:32shelter

1:06:34And when there is a conflict

1:06:36between one individual and another individual

1:06:40That's happened elsewhere

1:06:43Sometimes they're not aware

1:06:46that that person's in the shelter and then they arrive there

1:06:51And they're turned away

1:06:54There are so many different reasons

1:06:56That people need to go into a shelter and I have told council before

1:07:02I've been at a point where

1:07:05I was afraid I was going to lose where I was living

1:07:11At which point I would not be able to go into the shelter system because I have a service dog

1:07:16My service dog alerts

1:07:18Every time somebody moves around me in an unfamiliar space

1:07:22That would not be fair to everybody else that is accessing the space

1:07:28So I don't feel like I can actually use the shelter if it's something that I really needed

1:07:36By having a full accounting of why

1:07:42people are turned away

1:07:44It gives individuals a better opportunity to be able to manage their lives

1:07:51I really hope that council will support this motion by councillor Caton

1:07:58because

1:08:00The city needs to have a better understanding

1:08:03Of how the shelter system functions. Thank you. Thank you. Are there any questions for

1:08:12Miss dandy seeing none. Thank you

1:08:18We'll go now to alex purts

1:08:21Yeah, first of all

1:08:39There was a report came out. It was on may 26

1:08:43I need to apologize first of all to some of the city staff

1:08:47Because I read that wealth today post in the morning

1:08:50As soon as I woke up had to had my first coffee and I was a little bit upset when I read it

1:08:55And the first thing I did is that I came down to city hall did a video right off the bat

1:09:00Did it all in one take and it was a little bit sharp

1:09:04But is it I was angry when I read it and there's some points I want to be able to make

1:09:10First of all, we're talking basically about 30 40 people at the max

1:09:15That right now in the winter time

1:09:18That when the weather's bad they have nowhere to go

1:09:21To be able to say that they could just go to stepping stones. They can't

1:09:26Some of the people that won't go to stepping stone is because they are trying to deal with their drug addiction and everything else

1:09:33And there are people that are within the housing system

1:09:36Shelter system that

1:09:38Are detrimental to them

1:09:40There's at least four girls that I know personally that they will not go there because their formal abusers

1:09:47Are actually in those systems. So to re victimize them saying you have to go there

1:09:55where they are is

1:09:58It puts them in a really bad position

1:10:00There's at least two couples that I know that

1:10:03He or she is either 25 26 and the other one is 23 and 24

1:10:10That stepping stone has a policy you have to be 25 years of age in order to go into their housing

1:10:16So for them to be able to do it, they have to be split up. They can't be together. So there's that age about their variance

1:10:22It comes in as well

1:10:25One of the other things is that

1:10:27Um in the report that was given by golf today. It said that it cost

1:10:32$2,700 a night

1:10:34In order to house them in the lobby here

1:10:38Uh, I do a little bit of auditing and I tried to work the numbers in my head for one security guard to be coming on board

1:10:45And it said two bylaw officers and to flick three or four switches

1:10:52$2,700 a night seemed

1:10:55I I couldn't make the math work

1:10:57Even later on when they brought in a paramedic

1:11:01As well because there was one issue in the in the washroom that took place

1:11:05So they brought in a paramedic for the last two or three times

1:11:10Again, I wonder if that was necessary the paramedic stations a block away

1:11:14The police stations a block away the fire stations two blocks away is that they have more than enough ample time to be able to come here

1:11:23um

1:11:24the other thing

1:11:26To to just say that we're going to close

1:11:30City hall without having an alternative for these people

1:11:35That's what that's what got me angry

1:11:38If there was an alternative like, you know, hey, we're going to open up 20 of the cells

1:11:43at the police station

1:11:45And they can go there and do whatever or we're going to

1:11:50You know allow them to be able to go somewhere else. I could completely be on board with that

1:11:55But just to be able to say we're shutting down city hall and we don't have an alternative

1:12:01And we're you know, we'll just deal with as we go along

1:12:05is

1:12:06it's just bad planning and

1:12:10Just two other things as well is last winter

1:12:14We got down the minus 27 degrees wind chill was minus 32 33

1:12:20depending when you looked at it

1:12:22is that

1:12:24Twice I had to call city hall to find out whether the warming center was going to be open or not

1:12:29This one it got down to minus 20 and the decision had not been made

1:12:33At 1 32 o'clock in the afternoon

1:12:36These people end up going to the royal city mission

1:12:39For lunch and for supper

1:12:41Someone will go to stepping stone

1:12:43Then you know till 2 o'clock and then they're going to be moved out of there

1:12:48It would be better if we had a threshold

1:12:51Toronto does it berry does it kinkston does it london does it own sound does it

1:12:58So a Sudbury does it

1:13:00Most cities have a threshold

1:13:02That when you get down to minus five degrees or minus 10 degrees whatever that target is going to be

1:13:08That people know that the warming center is going to be opened up

1:13:12Is we had two three o'clock in the afternoon

1:13:16People didn't know whether a warming center is going to be open should be a mandatory threshold

1:13:21No matter what the result is going to be or where these people end up going

1:13:25That they know most of them don't have a phone. They don't have internet

1:13:29They rely on people from royal city mission or the library or stepping stone telling them

1:13:36Hey, yeah, it is this place is going to be open. Okay. Thank you. Time is up. Are there any questions of the

1:13:43Don't it. Okay. Thank you very much

1:13:47Um, I just before we go to councillor kate and I just want to know if there's anything staff want to say in regards to what delegations have said

1:13:55I mean, I'm I'm aware that it's not that they don't have other places to go. So I just want to have that quarter by

1:14:02Sure, uh through the chair to councillor so certainly, um

1:14:05I think what the report that is was before you the information report

1:14:09Recognizes that there is need in the community

1:14:12But also looks to make sure that the service providers that should be meeting that need

1:14:18Are in fact the ones who are who are addressing are addressing the needs and the gaps

1:14:23We've had a number of conversations with the shelter providers through the county

1:14:28stepping stone and windham house being the two that the county contracts with

1:14:32And certainly look to the county's expertise in terms of acknowledging if there are gaps and how they're going to address those gaps

1:14:38City hall

1:14:40Is not a safe or conducive location?

1:14:43For individuals

1:14:44It will still remain as a warming in a cooling center throughout daytime hours

1:14:49But that the overnight

1:14:51The overnight experiences. Uh, it's it's just not a safe environment

1:14:56And so ultimately

1:14:58Looking to our service provider as the county of wellington

1:15:02Who provides those emergency shelter services?

1:15:05To to address the needs and any gaps that exist here in the community

1:15:09I'll certainly say that a lot of other municipalities

1:15:12Who do provide warming centers that it is done by their cms or their social services provider or it's contracted out for example in kitchens

1:15:19It's contracted out through a third party who has the trained and qualified staff who are able to safely staff

1:15:27The location and have the necessary facilities to meet those needs. So again through the county

1:15:32We would look to that uh that expertise to provide that service

1:15:35Okay, thank you. Okay, councillor cate

1:15:38Did you want to put your motion down and?

1:15:41Yes, please

1:15:43Okay, and do you have a seconder?

1:15:45Yes, councillor busetel

1:15:47councillor busetel

1:15:50Okay, so i'm just going to

1:15:52I'm just going to read it because I think it's pretty self-explanatory. I think that I kind of spoke to it in the in the opening of the

1:15:59The topic on the information report

1:16:02um, so i'm looking that the city of guelph

1:16:05Sorry the guelph city council respectfully requests that the county of wellington as the area social services manager

1:16:12share the review of services and entry processes for overnight shelter admittance for individuals where barriers and restrictions exist

1:16:20Ensuring alternative options are available

1:16:23Accessible and offered as a due course of process

1:16:25And a 24 7 phone line is available for residents to call for immediate help in case of need for extreme weather events

1:16:32Or for those unable to physically attend available shelters due to special circumstance barriers

1:16:38And while respecting privacy laws consider data collection for annual review by the joint social services and land ambulance committee

1:16:46That includes general reasons for refusal restrictions or other barriers to help inform

1:16:51ongoing adjustments and opportunities to improve the overnight shelter system

1:16:58And that if any changes are considered that these be implemented prior to the upcoming

1:17:052026 2027 winter response program commencing

1:17:10okay

1:17:13I have questions from calpster goller

1:17:15mayor

1:17:16Guthrie

1:17:18Oh, you're oh, we have a second. Oh, you do okay perfect. Okay

1:17:22council busetel

1:17:24any no comment

1:17:25Okay, mayor guthrie

1:17:29Thanks and through you chair

1:17:31Could you just throw that motion back up on the screen for me corks?

1:17:35It I think the language said

1:17:39That well council respectfully requests that the county of Wellington as the area social services manager

1:17:45Share their review

1:17:49So they've done a review

1:17:54It was my understanding through uh, councillor busetel that it was brought up at a joint

1:18:01social services and land ambulance committee that they do regular reviews of their processes

1:18:06And so this is something that

1:18:08exists in some form

1:18:13So do we know this for a fact then from the

1:18:18The county of Wellington that they've done a review of

1:18:22Of the things that you've outlined here

1:18:26I'll let councillor busetel speak to that as the chair of that committee

1:18:32Okay, and just before councillor busetel speaks to that

1:18:37Where i'm going on this is that I think that should be changed to we respectfully request the county of Wellington

1:18:45To provide a review of like we're actually asking them to do an up-to-date review

1:18:53Um, I I don't know of any review

1:18:57That's actually been

1:18:59Like done that addresses the actual things that are in

1:19:04This wording of the motion

1:19:06That's my concern. Yeah, you've said that and so

1:19:10I'm going to go to councillor busetel

1:19:12Thank you. Thank you, mayor Guthrie. And and I think the members of the joint social services land ambulance committee. We've heard verbally

1:19:20that staff

1:19:21Have an understanding have reviewed have looked at it have said to us

1:19:26There's no concern and so on and you're right. I think if they are

1:19:31verbally

1:19:32Sharing that then there has to be some kind of a basis so, you know, can they share their data?

1:19:38Can they share the information that they've collected and I thought it was um timely that the county housing

1:19:46Has received three awards for data

1:19:50Housing data just recently so we know there's data there

1:19:55And I think what the intent here is if you have this please share it with us

1:20:00So that we're able to engage meaningfully in a conversation

1:20:04around

1:20:06the service delivery and

1:20:08Also respond to residents when we hear that there are

1:20:12gaps in the service

1:20:17Okay

1:20:19So my question

1:20:21I'll leave it. I'll leave my sort of

1:20:23I'll leave it dangling out there for everybody my question in regards to this but

1:20:28I think it would be more suitable to have the language say that we are respectfully requesting information

1:20:34about

1:20:36But when you say the review

1:20:38It's like it's like I could go to a link or any of us could go to a link right now and we could click on a report to find a review

1:20:46There is none

1:20:48So I just think it would be better off to say

1:20:52share information

1:20:54Or to do a review

1:20:57But I don't think like none of us can go to a link right now and actually look at a report that has a review

1:21:03And by the way, I believe that the county is doing

1:21:06You know verbal verbal reviews and check I believe all of that

1:21:10But there's nothing we can hold in our hand today to show the public

1:21:14a report about

1:21:17The specific things that you're asking for in your in your emotions. I'll leave it at that. Thank you

1:21:22Okay, are there any other questions or comments councillor goller

1:21:30Thank you, uh, and through you chair, I'm not sure if this question is for I think it's it's for staff

1:21:35I just wanted to follow up on the questions from the delegates

1:21:38Uh, one of the delegates made a request to change the language on the weather alerts

1:21:44Could you please confirm for me who puts those together?

1:21:47So through the chair to councillor goller, so the cold weather and um and warm weather response plan is not something that the city does

1:21:56That's done um through the poverty elimination

1:21:59Collaborative I believe is the new name

1:22:01And so they handle that it's not done through the city

1:22:03We can certainly have that conversation with them and make sure that they're aware of this feedback

1:22:08In terms of what's posted on the city's website, um because we are no longer offering

1:22:13City hall is an overnight warming or cooling

1:22:15Shelter those environment canada thresholds are no longer relevant because we will always be opening city hall

1:22:22During those daytime hours regardless of the temperatures

1:22:24So I think what makes most sense is for and I'm happy to take that away

1:22:28To follow up directly with the poverty elimination collaborative and to share that feedback with them. I know temperature

1:22:34I know environment canada alerts and temperature thresholds, you know, there's

1:22:38Should it be a specific temperature? Should it be a specific weather condition?

1:22:41I'm no expert on climatology. And so I'm certainly we've always looked to environment canada

1:22:47To guide those decisions. And so I'll certainly pass that feedback along

1:22:51Thank you very much for that. Um and through your chair

1:22:55The the other delegate asked questions about the cost. Could you help understand how to set it up to 27 54 per night for

1:23:04For keeping city hall open

1:23:06Sure through the chair to councillor goller. So um that was an average

1:23:09So we actually did have a paramedic here. I think almost every night

1:23:13I think the first one we didn't but then we very quickly realized

1:23:16It was far more than one one medical incident that led to that

1:23:20From a safety point of view and from a comfort of the individuals who are here

1:23:24As well as we did we don't have staff on site overnight

1:23:28And so again from a staffing ratio in terms of the number of clientele because we were up in the 50 and 60 range

1:23:34A lot of the nights

1:23:34So we were putting two bylaw officers and a paramedic in

1:23:38And because we never knew when the weather alert was going to uh was going to need that

1:23:43It meant we were bringing staff in on overtime. And so those were um those those those 12 hour costs for two bylaw officers

1:23:50And a paramedic as well as we put on additional cleaning staff

1:23:54Because the wear and tear on the building and on the washrooms

1:23:56Did necessitate us bringing in additional cleaning staff every morning to make sure that the building was clean

1:24:02Was free of anything that might cause harm to others because we did we did experience that

1:24:07And so that was just based on an average cost over all of the nights that we opened city hall

1:24:12Okay, okay, that is really helpful. Uh through you chair

1:24:16The question about

1:24:17When um the decision is made that that there will be um the overnight space

1:24:24That you know, sometimes the decision had not been made into the afternoon. Could you speak to that please?

1:24:30Sure through chair downer. So um again, we won't be doing this moving forward

1:24:34But last winter we were reliant on those environment Canada weather alerts

1:24:38And so we were waiting each day until those alerts were issued and they're typically issued in the early afternoon

1:24:43And so again that that's information that I can pass along to the poverty elimination collaborative

1:24:47If there are others who are using those thresholds

1:24:49But it is generally around 1 30 or 2 o'clock in the afternoon that those alerts would be issued

1:24:54Again last winter we would then typically scramble to see if we could get staff to come in

1:24:59And so again to the other because I also don't um if you look at that if that infographic city hall is not the only

1:25:05Location um in the community as a warming and cooling center. So again, we'll pass that feedback along to

1:25:11To those who produce that infographic. Um, just make sure that the most accurate information is available to the community

1:25:17Okay, okay. Thank you. And my last question through you chair

1:25:21There were also

1:25:22Comments about the ability of people to access

1:25:25emergency shelter

1:25:27And I understand that you know, sometimes a location is not

1:25:31Suitable for for some people, but could you confirm how many different locations are there in the in the city of wealth?

1:25:37broadly

1:25:38That people can access should there be

1:25:42It was my understanding that if someone ever showed up at a shelter and it's full they'll put you up somewhere

1:25:46Is that still the case?

1:25:48So through the chair to councillor gallo. Yes, that is our understanding

1:25:51There is one overnight emergency a shelter location for adults that is provided by stepping stone and then windham house also

1:25:57Has the emergency overnight shelter for youth?

1:26:00But again, I don't want to speak for the county but our understanding is that if there was anybody

1:26:05So stepping stone opened up additional spaces, especially in the cold weather alerts to make sure that they weren't turning anyone away

1:26:12And the assurance that we have been provided by the county is that if there is somebody who has a service restriction or for whatever reason can't

1:26:19you know safety

1:26:21As an example

1:26:22That they do have the mechanism through stepping stone to alert the housing staff at the county of wellington

1:26:28Who can then make alternative arrangements hotels, etc. So again

1:26:32Something that we would look to the county as our service provider to make sure that those gaps are being filled

1:26:37But it is our understanding

1:26:39That that that they have a process for that

1:26:42Thank you. And just following up on that seen as well into county is responsible. We pay them to deliver these services

1:26:49What is the appropriate place for community members who have concerns about how the emergency shelter system is running to to speak to?

1:26:56Would that be the joint land ambulance and social services committee? Is that correct?

1:27:02Through the chair. Yes, I would believe that is the joint social services land ambulance committee

1:27:06Or of course directly through the housing services office at the county of wellington. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you chair

1:27:14Yeah, thank you very much. Um, I am quite happy to support this

1:27:18A resolution because essentially of everything that I've heard from

1:27:22From my colleagues, uh, council caten, councillor Busuttil and mayor guther

1:27:26Even though there there was some bantering back and forth

1:27:28And I think that that tends to reflect that while the information might be out there

1:27:33It is not necessarily accessible

1:27:36In in a fashion that that makes it

1:27:39Understandable and appreciated

1:27:41By both the community and and by um by city staff

1:27:46City staff clearly confirm why why we need this detail just uh in the last

1:27:51Two seconds, and I think we do need quantifiable and verifiable

1:27:55Information because I have heard many many times from on street workers mental health workers and social workers

1:28:02That this is indeed the case, but I have no foundation for confirming it

1:28:06So, uh, let's get the details and if there is a report great

1:28:09And if there isn't a report then I think what mayor guthery has stated is is quite correct

1:28:14But we need to get something so that we have a foundation for starting to deal with this

1:28:25Councillor Busuttil

1:28:26Yes, thank you. I'm going to start first with that councillor Goller just to reassure you

1:28:32I did forward the delegates motion to the poverty

1:28:37Collaboration I can the poverty task force

1:28:41They were not aware of it at the time and I know that councillor Caton did put the delegate in touch with

1:28:46Them as well for a more constructive and appropriate kind of conversation

1:28:51um

1:28:52I agree with everything that everyone has said here

1:28:55I think that we need to get some kind of a report or some kind of a memo or some kind of numbers here

1:29:01Because we have absolutely nothing right now. So, um, it's it's really difficult to respond to nothing

1:29:09And anyone else

1:29:13Mayor guthrie

1:29:15Thank you chair. I mean we're gonna leave the language the way it is. That's fine. I think my point's been made

1:29:21But I just want to say

1:29:23Thank you very much to the mover and to others

1:29:26for not

1:29:28trying to

1:29:30Reopen city hall as a warming as an overnight shelter space

1:29:35um

1:29:36The report very clearly stated why it should not be

1:29:41It's not conducive to

1:29:43To those that need it nor um, we do not have the appropriate staffing. It's not appropriate at all

1:29:50and so I

1:29:51Really like where this is focused now

1:29:54About getting sort of a review or information or report or data and moving forward. I really really like that

1:30:02And so I just want to say thank you very much that we're not here debating tonight

1:30:07And I'll be I'll be blind. I thought we were going to not not before the motion came out but before it came out

1:30:12I thought for sure. Oh great. We're gonna have we're gonna have a discussion about reopening city

1:30:17All and I I'm so glad that we're not because I think what we are talking about tonight is highly appropriate

1:30:23For us to get some information to then move forward from there with whatever that information is

1:30:28As outlined in the motion. So thank you very much

1:30:35I would just say that as a member of the joint social services

1:30:40Land ambulance committee at the last meeting that they did

1:30:44share their and one of their their annual report which will be coming

1:30:49To council actually I have a pop with me

1:30:52Will be coming to I think council at the end of july with with the other boards

1:30:58Is that so the report will be coming but I don't think their staff will be coming

1:31:02They did you know indicate too that they they believe that they had the capacity

1:31:08Um anybody who was not allowed in in usual circumstances would be sent to a hotel

1:31:15Um, but that there were there were instances where this did not occur and um

1:31:22But there was no real data like like as uh council kate is asking for on on the wise or necessarily how many so

1:31:30I think it would be good to get a little more information on all this

1:31:33Thank you council kate

1:31:36Thank you through you. I just wanted to close this out with um

1:31:40we can't

1:31:41improve or fix things if we don't know what's wrong and

1:31:46um

1:31:47All all we need is information and transparency people want to know

1:31:52What the rules are what are all the circumstances if then then what and um and what we want is for people to be able to

1:32:02Have a safe overnight place in a bed

1:32:05with access to services and train staff nearby in case of issues

1:32:10and systems where they can eventually move on to more permanent housing and I think that this is the first step in kind of

1:32:18Working towards finding those solutions and I would really appreciate it if if y'all would support my motion. Thank you

1:32:27Okay

1:32:28anything else

1:32:30Seeing none we'll go to the question then

1:32:33Uh is anyone opposed?

1:32:37Seeing none that passes. Thank you. Thank you council kate

1:32:41Okay, we're going to move forward with uh 5.3 the parking mitigation opportunities downtown

1:32:47Um councillor classon. Did you want to just say a few words about and introduce this item before we go to the delegations?