Statutory Public Meeting Report for the applications received from UP Consulting… be received

57:24and then we're gonna be moving into some delegations

57:27on this matter as well.

57:28There is correspondence that's attached.

57:31And so I will turn it over to you.

57:34And I'm sorry, I'm gonna embarrass myself,

57:38but I do that every day anyways.

57:41Is this your first time?

57:43Oh, I didn't embarrass myself, good.

57:45Excellent, welcome.

57:47And thank you for being here and presenting

57:50on behalf of staff.

57:51And am I gonna say your name right here?

57:54Let's see here.

57:55Is it Kachan?

57:56Yes.

57:57Did I say that right?

57:58Yeah.

57:59Okay.

58:00And is it Gadjt?

58:01Yeah, Kanchan Khadge.

58:03Whatever you said, that's great.

58:04Perfect.

58:05All right, well, welcome.

58:07And thank you for joining us.

58:08I'll turn it over to you to walk us through it, okay?

58:10Go right ahead.

58:17Good morning, Mayor Ghatri, members of the council,

58:20members of the public and staff.

58:22My name is Kanchan Khadge,

58:23and I'm presenting the Statutory Public Meeting

58:25for the proposed Official Plan Amendment

58:27and Zoning By-law Amendment applications

58:30for 70 Fountain Street East.

58:32This is a Statutory Public Meeting under the Planning Act,

58:35and no decisions are being made on the application today.

58:39Applications for the Official Plan Amendment

58:41and Zoning By-law Amendment have been received

58:43for the subject lands from up consulting

58:45on behalf of Fitzrovia residential Inc.

58:48To facilitate the development of a 24-story mixed use building

58:52having approximately 440 square meters

58:55of ground floor retail space,

58:57five stacked townhouse style units

58:59integrated into the building's podium

59:01at the lower and upper floor,

59:03upper ground floors, and a residential tower above

59:06having 419 purpose-built rental dwelling units

59:09along with indoor and outdoor amenities.

59:18The subject property is located

59:19at the southeast corner of Fountain Street East

59:22and Windham Street South,

59:24is approximately 2,030 square meters,

59:27that is 0.2 hectares in size,

59:29with 65 meters of frontage

59:31along Fountain Street and Parkour Street,

59:33and 33 meters along Windham Street South.

59:36The property is within the downtown secondary plan area

59:40and is adjacent to the Gualt Central Station,

59:42major transit station area.

59:44The subject lands are currently occupied

59:46by a three-story office building

59:48with surface parking at the rear.

59:50The existing building is proposed to be demolished

59:53to facilitate the redevelopment.

59:56The subject lands are within

59:57the downtown heritage conservation restrict.

59:59The property 70 Fountain Street East,

1:00:0475 Parkour Street, has been listed

1:00:07as a non-designated heritage resource built

1:00:10in the municipal register

1:00:12of cultural heritage properties since 2009.

1:00:15The surrounding land uses a predominantly

1:00:17a mix of commercial, residential,

1:00:19and mixed-use buildings.

1:00:24The subject lands are designated mixed-use one

1:00:28in Schedule II of Gualt's official plan

1:00:30and are within the downtown secondary plan area.

1:00:33The lands are also identified

1:00:35as part of the Urban Growth Center,

1:00:37downtown Gualt, and are located

1:00:38within a major transit station area

1:00:40as shown on Schedule Ia.

1:00:43Schedule D for downtown secondary plan

1:00:46maximum building heights, that is OPA 106,

1:00:49permits building heights of up to 24 stories

1:00:52on the subject lands.

1:00:57The official plan amendment application

1:00:58is proposing to retain the mixed-use one designation

1:01:01but is requesting a site-specific amendment

1:01:04to delete section 11.1.7.3.9.1

1:01:08of the downtown secondary plan.

1:01:10This section currently requires a minimum

1:01:12of 1,550 square meters of gross floor area,

1:01:16solely as office space,

1:01:17a maximum building height limit of 16 stories,

1:01:20and the applicable condominium conversion policy,

1:01:23which is policy, OP policy 7.2.5,

1:01:27which does not allow the conversion

1:01:29of condominium housing tenure to rental accommodations.

1:01:32The application is requesting removal of this subsection

1:01:35of the OP in its entirety

1:01:37to align with the broader mixed-use one permissions,

1:01:40including 24-story height permitted through OPA 106.

1:01:48The subject lands currently zoned downtown one

1:01:51with site-specific special provisions D127

1:01:54and has a holding provision H28

1:01:56in the city's comprehensive zoning bylaw.

1:01:59The applicable section 9.1 of the zoning bylaw

1:02:02permits a broad range of uses

1:02:05in a mix of highly compact development forms

1:02:08in downtown one zone.

1:02:10Section 9.2 of the zoning bylaw permits

1:02:12apartment buildings, retail, mixed-use buildings

1:02:15in downtown one zone, among other uses.

1:02:18Site-specific zoning provisions of section 18.14.29

1:02:22applicable currently to the site

1:02:25are a result of a previous zoning bylaw amendment

1:02:27that was approved at the OLT in March of 2022.

1:02:31The H28 holding symbol applies to the site,

1:02:34and H28 holding provision are applied to lands

1:02:37to ensure the development of the subject lands

1:02:40does not proceed till the sanitary sewer conditions

1:02:43and sanitary capacity is confirmed and available

1:02:46for the proposed development

1:02:48to the satisfaction of the city.

1:02:52The zoning bylaw amendment application requests

1:02:54to repeal the site-specific D121 zone

1:02:57and rezone the subject lands

1:02:59with a new site-specific special zoning provision.

1:03:02The application also requests the removal

1:03:04of the H28 holding provision.

1:03:09To facilitate the proposed development,

1:03:11the applicants are requesting the following site-specific

1:03:14special zoning regulations, which include

1:03:16a maximum floor plate of 1,128 square meters

1:03:21on the seventh and eighth floors,

1:03:23whereas the bylaw permits 1,200 square meters.

1:03:26A maximum floor plate of 1,059 square meters

1:03:30on the above the eighth floor

1:03:31compared to the permitted 1,000 square meters.

1:03:35And a length to width ratio of 2.2 is to one,

1:03:39whereas the bylaw requires a ratio of 1.5 is to one.

1:03:43A minimum one active entrance for Windham Street,

1:03:46whereas the entrance is required every 15 meters

1:03:48of street line.

1:03:52The site-specific special provisions also request

1:03:54to permit a minimum glazing of 56% of the facade

1:03:57up to 4.5 meters above grade,

1:04:00whereas 60% glazing is required

1:04:02to permit rooftop amenity space,

1:04:05to permit a maximum building height of 24 stories

1:04:08with the building height being measured

1:04:10from Farqua Street frontage,

1:04:12and to not consider lower ground floor as a story

1:04:14while counting the total number of stories.

1:04:20This slide shows the site plan of the proposed development

1:04:23with the top view of the building set,

1:04:26top view and the building step backs.

1:04:28We are looking at the rooftop amenities

1:04:30on the 24th story tower building,

1:04:32with step backs on the eighth and fifth floor.

1:04:35The proposed development also includes approximately

1:04:37440 square meters of ground floor retail space

1:04:40strunting Windham Street south.

1:04:42The plan shows the two vehicular accesses

1:04:45to the building from Farqua Street and Pountain Street.

1:04:50This slide shows the east and north elevations,

1:04:53which illustrate the 24th story tower

1:04:55on a four-story podium base.

1:05:00And this slide shows the south and west elevations.

1:05:07This slide shows the three-dimensional renderings

1:05:09of the proposed development.

1:05:14Once the application is reviewed and all issues are addressed,

1:05:17a staff report with a recommendation

1:05:19will be brought forward to council for a decision

1:05:21with members of the public wish to stay informed

1:05:23of any revisions or decisions on the application.

1:05:26Please reach out to the following email addresses

1:05:28and provide your name and contact details.

1:05:30And this concludes the staff presentation.

1:05:33Thank you.

1:05:34Thank you very much.

1:05:36We appreciate it.

1:05:37We'll jump to the delegates and see if there's any questions

1:05:42from us at the end of all that, okay?

1:05:44But again, thank you for the presentation.

1:05:46So on our agenda, we have several delegations,

1:05:50but I was told before the meeting that we have sort of

1:05:54one presentation with several people involved.

1:05:58We like that.

1:05:59So thank you.

1:06:01So we have Chris Vanderwater coming up, Greg Gilbert,

1:06:06and Renata, oh boy.

1:06:10Shamsa Danova?

1:06:13Did I say that right?

1:06:14Okay, thank you.

1:06:15Also we have Christian,

1:06:17yeah, Samatnitas?

1:06:23That was close, okay.

1:06:24And you are all from the applicant for this project, right?

1:06:29Okay.

1:06:30So you're gonna share the 10 minutes.

1:06:33What I was told, is that right?

1:06:34That's correct.

1:06:35Okay.

1:06:36Thank you for coming.

1:06:37Thank you for your application.

1:06:39You will hear a chime or, yeah, a chime

1:06:43at the nine minute and 30 second mark,

1:06:46which is your 30 second warning that you gotta wrap it up.

1:06:49And if you get to 10 minutes, the microphone goes off.

1:06:52So we don't want that, okay?

1:06:54And so when you are done, stick around.

1:06:57Just in case myself or any of my colleagues

1:06:59have a follow up question, okay?

1:07:01Over to you.

1:07:02Thank you.

1:07:03Thanks.

1:07:04Good morning, Mayor, members of council.

1:07:06My name is Christian Samatnitas,

1:07:08Senior Planner Without Consulting.

1:07:10So our firm has been retained to provide planning services

1:07:12on behalf of the applicant, Fitzrovia,

1:07:14who's in attendance this morning with you.

1:07:16And they'll provide formal introductions

1:07:18of Chris and Renata.

1:07:19So this presentation pertains to the Official Plan

1:07:21and Zoning By-law Amendment for 70 Fountains Street East

1:07:24in Guelph.

1:07:26So this slide here just provides an outline

1:07:28of the presentation, but I just wanna highlight

1:07:30that my portions will namely focus on the site,

1:07:32location and context, as well as the planning matters.

1:07:35And then I'll pass it along to the Fitzrovia team

1:07:37to provide a more detailed description

1:07:39of the development and who they are.

1:07:45Sorry.

1:07:46Yeah, so again, city staff already went through this,

1:07:48so I just will go over pretty quickly.

1:07:50So the site is known as 70 Fountains Street,

1:07:52bounded by three public streets.

1:07:55It's listed on the municipal heritage register

1:07:57and is not designated under the Ontario Heritage Act

1:08:02under part four and part five.

1:08:05What I wanna note here on this slide

1:08:07in terms of the surrounding context

1:08:08is that this is certainly an exciting opportunity

1:08:10for increased density within the downtown,

1:08:13being that a number of goods and services

1:08:15will be within walking distance of the subject property.

1:08:18Notably the site is within walking distance

1:08:20of Guelph Central Station and Transit Hub

1:08:22being a major transit station area.

1:08:27So I'll note that the applicant is proposing

1:08:28a mixed use development consisting

1:08:30of 424 purpose-built rentals units

1:08:33for height of 24 stories.

1:08:35Rental units, retail units are proposed

1:08:38along the ground floor, namely along the Windham frontage

1:08:41for a total of 440 square meters.

1:08:43While zero parking spaces are required within an MTSA,

1:08:46a total of 95 parking spaces are provided.

1:08:49So that's a 0.22 space per unit ratio.

1:08:53320 bicycle parking spaces are provided

1:08:55as well as some amenity space

1:08:57both on rooftop and indoor.

1:09:00This slide again, I won't go over too much in detail

1:09:03but what I will note is that the north

1:09:05is on the right hand side and generally the massing

1:09:08is transitioned from two stories on the podium,

1:09:10four stories, eight stories and then up to the 24 stories

1:09:13to provide an appropriate transition

1:09:16to the low rise residential that's existing

1:09:17on the north.

1:09:21Again, I won't go too much into detail on this

1:09:24but what I wanna note too is that Schedule D

1:09:26really here is the focus and that was the permission

1:09:29of 24 stories for a maximum height,

1:09:32for the new maximum height as a result

1:09:33of the downtown height study to which we believe

1:09:36that this is implementing the direction from council.

1:09:39In terms of the required planning approvals,

1:09:43so these site specific requests are detailed

1:09:46in the agenda package, however I like to note

1:09:48that the intent of these provisions

1:09:49are to essentially repeal and replace

1:09:51these site specifics from the previous development concept

1:09:55and implement ones that are tailored to this

1:09:57that are more so in the direction of OPA 106.

1:10:02And as part of the application requirement,

1:10:04you can see that a number of reports were submitted.

1:10:06You can really see that the technical nature

1:10:08that's involved so with that I'll pass it along

1:10:11to the Fitzrovia team.

1:10:14Thank you very much everyone.

1:10:15To briefly introduce Fitzrovia,

1:10:17we are a purpose built rental developer.

1:10:20We also form Canada's,

1:10:31we form Canada's largest fully integrated

1:10:34rental housing platform.

1:10:35Our team includes approximately 450 employees.

1:10:40Over the past nine years we have built 11 purpose

1:10:42built rental towers across the GTA,

1:10:45all of which we manage ourselves,

1:10:47including previously acquired buildings.

1:10:49We currently manage more than 12,500 rental units.

1:10:55With our offices in Toronto and Montreal,

1:10:57we are very excited to be here in Guelph today

1:11:00and to expand beyond the GTA.

1:11:02The 70 founded proposal is part of the Fitzrovia's

1:11:06broader plan to grow our student housing portfolio

1:11:10with other student housing projects

1:11:13that we have in Kingston and London, Ontario.

1:11:19One of the Fitzrovia key strengths

1:11:21is fully integrated platform.

1:11:23What this means is that we develop,

1:11:25build, own, operate and manage buildings ourselves.

1:11:29We take a long-term approach.

1:11:31We care deeply about communities we create

1:11:33and make thoughtful decisions at every stage of the process.

1:11:38Our integrated model really gives us opportunity

1:11:41to share knowledge across the teams,

1:11:44take feedback and make our new buildings better.

1:11:50Our buildings also design with a strong focus

1:11:53on high quality materials.

1:11:54You can see on those pictures on the slide

1:11:58that we create thoughtful design

1:12:02pedestrian friendly communities.

1:12:05And to support this approach,

1:12:06we work with leading Canadian architects

1:12:09for 70 Fountain, we will be partnering,

1:12:12already partnered with award-winning firm

1:12:15a Harvey Rippon Torini Architects

1:12:17to develop this proposal.

1:12:23I would like to introduce you to the Waverly brand.

1:12:26This is our Fitzrovia student housing brand.

1:12:30So you can see on the slide as well

1:12:34the ground floor coffee lobby,

1:12:37which will give our resident students

1:12:40a welcoming place to meet, study and spend time together.

1:12:43The same thinking carries through our amenity spaces.

1:12:47We focus on creating high quality shared spaces,

1:12:49including the coworking lounges,

1:12:51commercial grade fitness center,

1:12:53virtually walking clinic and outdoor amenity as well.

1:13:00And having very successful Waverly project,

1:13:02we have studied student demographics

1:13:05across our portfolio today.

1:13:07And students already make up a really large number

1:13:10of the residents in many of our buildings.

1:13:13We see the demand for curated living for students.

1:13:17And this is one of the reasons we are here today in Guelph.

1:13:19And we are really excited about this project.

1:13:26Thanks, Renata.

1:13:27So I'll start my presentation just by saying,

1:13:30thank you to any of the community members

1:13:34or members of staff that we've engaged with today.

1:13:36We've received a fair amount of feedback,

1:13:39which we've already incorporated into our design,

1:13:41which was part of our zoning application.

1:13:45First off, I'll highlight that, yes,

1:13:46we have a 24 story building and we are planning

1:13:51on rooftop amenity space.

1:13:53Simply put, we've got mechanical equipment,

1:13:55elevator overruns, things that have to go on the roof anyways.

1:13:58And so across our new build portfolio,

1:14:00this is a standard approach of ours.

1:14:02And we see it as taking advantage of space

1:14:04that would otherwise go unused.

1:14:07The second nuance of this site that was raised by city staff

1:14:11is the long rectangular nature of the site itself.

1:14:14We recognize and incorporated feedback

1:14:17into the overall architecture that addresses the concern

1:14:20that we are going to have a long,

1:14:22sort of generic building face,

1:14:25whether you're at grade really close to the building

1:14:27or standing a little bit further away.

1:14:28I think we've appropriately addressed this concern

1:14:31with a number of different architectural features.

1:14:33You can see the four story podium,

1:14:35as well as a number of vertical and horizontal features

1:14:38as you work your way up the tower.

1:14:40Another challenge or at least technical aspect of this site,

1:14:43and I'm just gonna skip ahead to the best rendering of it,

1:14:47is that we've got about a five meter grade change

1:14:49from one corner of the site to the other.

1:14:52And the way we've designed around that

1:14:53is that number one, we've addressed a staff comment

1:14:56requesting grand storefronts on Wyndham,

1:14:59so you're looking at Wyndham right here.

1:15:01So you essentially end up with sort of a two story grand

1:15:03entrance to any of the retail spaces

1:15:05as well as the building itself.

1:15:06As you work your way towards the back of the building,

1:15:10you lose a fair amount of height.

1:15:12And so we've designed around that technically

1:15:14by having what we're calling a lower

1:15:16and upper ground floor.

1:15:18Alternatively, we could have titled that as a mezzanine space.

1:15:23We did receive during our public meeting

1:15:24a couple of comments around transportation.

1:15:29And so what we've done is we've been thoughtful

1:15:31about the amount of vehicle traffic in the area.

1:15:34We currently have vehicle entrances

1:15:36on both the fountain and Farcours side,

1:15:38which should alleviate a bit of those traffic concerns.

1:15:41And when you look at the lower left corner of this image,

1:15:44you can see three doors sort of in the lower left corner.

1:15:47You can see our bicycle entrance,

1:15:48our vehicular entrance and our garbage and loading

1:15:51all contained within the building

1:15:52and screened when not in use.

1:15:56Focusing a little bit on the architecture,

1:15:58we've tried to reflect and respect some of the architecture

1:16:01that you can see in downtown Guelph today.

1:16:03We were very mindful about the use of masonry

1:16:05and respecting again,

1:16:08some of those more historic features of downtown Guelph,

1:16:11while also trying to give a bit of a modern touch

1:16:14to the building itself.

1:16:17And finally, I'll close just with speaking about active uses.

1:16:20You heard about Renata highlighting

1:16:21how much we care about people using our ground floor,

1:16:24people actively using the space.

1:16:26We have a lobby that's open to the public.

1:16:28We have our 10 Dean coffee shop,

1:16:29at grade that's open to the public.

1:16:31We also have three retail spaces along Wyndham

1:16:33and we have a retail leasing team

1:16:37that is very passionate about leasing to one-off uses

1:16:41that really complement the unique features of the building

1:16:43and attract people to it.

1:16:45We often come up with a typical user

1:16:48that might be a University of Guelph student.

1:16:50She starts her day, comes down the elevator,

1:16:52grabs a coffee from 10 Dean and takes her bike

1:16:54or the bus to school in the morning.

1:16:57Thanks very much.

1:16:59Great, thank you.

1:17:00And thanks for staying within the time limit.

1:17:02I appreciate that.

1:17:05Is there any questions for this delegate at this time?

1:17:07Okay, we'll start here on my left.

1:17:10We'll go with Downer and then Mr. Timm.

1:17:11Thank you, through you, Mr. Mayor.

1:17:13So I really like, first I like your podium design.

1:17:16I think that's, it looks really good.

1:17:19The arch has reminded me of the front of City Hall.

1:17:23The other, the question I have though is that

1:17:26at one time we thought we were gonna get

1:17:28a Conestoga College downtown

1:17:30and that's sort of in question now.

1:17:33I don't know what the final outcome of that be,

1:17:34but it's not as optimistic as I once was.

1:17:38So you'd be catering primarily to the University of Guelph

1:17:42students and there's a lot of other housing,

1:17:45student housing sort of being talked about these days

1:17:48and under some of it under construction.

1:17:51Have you got concerns at all about

1:17:55filling this building up with students?

1:17:57Given the...

1:17:59Or would you change your plans at all?

1:18:00Sorry, go ahead.

1:18:01Yeah, so I'll highlight two points.

1:18:03Number one, from just looking at demographics of the area,

1:18:06it's very clear to us that supply is a real challenge

1:18:09and that I think runs the across the spectrum.

1:18:12One thing that we've heard from our early conversations

1:18:15is that, hey, when you add to supply,

1:18:17you might have students that move in here

1:18:19that otherwise might be occupying a single family home

1:18:21or some other form of housing.

1:18:22So we definitely see that as an advantage.

1:18:25Another piece that I'll speak to is that, yes,

1:18:27we're targeting the student housing demographic here.

1:18:30You do not need to have a University of Guelph student card

1:18:33to live in our building.

1:18:34Frankly, you don't have to be a student,

1:18:36but frankly, that's the lane and that's the demographic

1:18:38that we're choosing to market this building to.

1:18:41Great, thanks.

1:18:42And Bousatil is next and then I saw Karan and Kate.

1:18:45Thank you and through the mayor,

1:18:46thank you for your presentation.

1:18:48Similar to my colleague here,

1:18:49I don't have any questions about the building.

1:18:51I think you've responded to a lot of the concerns.

1:18:56But Renata, you were talking about the research

1:18:58on the student demographics and so on.

1:19:00And as part of your research,

1:19:01to piggyback on my colleague here,

1:19:03have you been aware of the desperate need for family units?

1:19:09So if you are constructing for students,

1:19:11those are singles or maybe doubles.

1:19:14Really, we need desperately family housing.

1:19:17And so my question is,

1:19:19your intent is to build and to rent exclusively to students

1:19:24who are hearing no, because I could be an older adult learner,

1:19:29but family units.

1:19:30And that is something that I will be looking for

1:19:33and I've asked our planners to ask developers

1:19:37to look at three units and family units as well,

1:19:40because that is a huge gap in the community

1:19:43and I'm very concerned about that.

1:19:47So I think that came across as a comment,

1:19:50but would you like to respond if it was a question?

1:19:53I will just highlight with one stat,

1:19:55it is available on the stats page of our application.

1:19:57We currently are planning for 35% of the units within the building,

1:20:01being two and three bedroom units.

1:20:04So perhaps you are an older student that has a child

1:20:07or someone else in your family that you'd like to live with.

1:20:10From our research, that goes above and beyond

1:20:13some of the unit mixes that we're seeing elsewhere

1:20:15in the multi-res sector within Guelph.

1:20:17And so thank you for that.

1:20:19If I could through the mayor.

1:20:21When I think of three bedroom,

1:20:23I think of university equal three bedroom student units

1:20:27versus a family residence.

1:20:29And that's my question is,

1:20:31are you building it for a family rather than three roommates

1:20:37is very different than a family?

1:20:40Thanks for the question.

1:20:41That's something that we debate and discuss heavily

1:20:44with within our office.

1:20:45I mean, you'll find that our three bedroom units

1:20:48are, I'll call it any more family size range

1:20:51that you would be used to.

1:20:53Let's call it anywhere from 1,000 to 1,200 square feet.

1:20:56So these are not, I would call it three small rooms

1:20:59connected with one bathroom.

1:21:00This is definitely meant for a family

1:21:02or multiple people within one unit.

1:21:06And so just to follow up a supplemental,

1:21:08I know you were saying that your intent is to rent

1:21:11to exclusively to students.

1:21:13Would your marketing and your communication

1:21:17also welcome families?

1:21:19Absolutely.

1:21:23Perfect. Thank you.

1:21:25So I'm gonna go up on the screen now joining us.

1:21:29I'll start with Koran, please, then Kate.

1:21:32And then I'll come back here in the room to call her.

1:21:35Great, thank you.

1:21:36I think Councillor Blisattila addressed

1:21:38my primary question.

1:21:39Is it when we're talking about a planning application

1:21:42which is what we're here for,

1:21:44we can only talk about the form and the zoning.

1:21:47We cannot talk about people's.

1:21:49So although it's good information to have,

1:21:55talking about who you're gonna market to

1:21:57in the demographic that will fill the building

1:21:59is people's zoning.

1:22:01So I just want to make sure,

1:22:02and I think I've heard you say that the way

1:22:05the building is designed,

1:22:07it could be available to anyone.

1:22:10Singles, working couples, families,

1:22:14and that students is just one part of that demographic,

1:22:17that you're designing it

1:22:18so that it could be rented to anyone.

1:22:21That is correct.

1:22:23Another use case that I keep imagining,

1:22:25given that you can see the GO station out your window,

1:22:29is that you might work in another municipality

1:22:32or another place.

1:22:34You might be a couple where one person's a student

1:22:36and one person's a working professional

1:22:38in another municipality.

1:22:39Given the proximity to the train station,

1:22:44I think it's quite possible

1:22:46that we'll have working professionals

1:22:47that want to live in this building.

1:22:49Okay, great.

1:22:50Just cognizant that when we talk about people's zoning

1:22:54as part of an application,

1:22:56that we're really crossing the line there.

1:23:01I wanted to ask about the zoning amendment

1:23:03related to ground floor calculations for height,

1:23:06because there was a site-specific zoning amendment

1:23:10that the ground floor would be at raid with barcour

1:23:14and not chanted from the ground floor at Fountain,

1:23:18which from Fountain would be a 25-story building

1:23:20from Farquhar would be 24.

1:23:22Can we confirm that that's one of the amendments

1:23:24that you're seeking?

1:23:26I can confirm that, yes, we had to sort of pick a spot

1:23:29to measure the ground floor elevation,

1:23:32which is how we ended up with the designation

1:23:35of lower and upper ground floor.

1:23:36And again, we could have used the term mezzanine

1:23:38or come up with another term for it.

1:23:40Okay, but the 24 stories is from the farquhar side

1:23:43of the elevation.

1:23:46Okay, next question has to do with the community energy.

1:23:52I know your community energy letter isn't part of the package

1:23:54that I've seen so far, that will come a little bit later,

1:23:57but please tell me about how this building

1:23:59will meet our community energy goals

1:24:01of being that zero by 2050,

1:24:03because utilities and rising costs in energy

1:24:09are going to affect affordability for future tenants.

1:24:13Yeah, absolutely.

1:24:14I'll say we share a corporate aim

1:24:17to make every new building more efficient

1:24:19than the previous one.

1:24:20Unfortunately due to groundwater and geotechnical issues,

1:24:24we can't do geothermal heating here.

1:24:26So one of the thoughts is having the building

1:24:29be net zero ready.

1:24:31And what essentially that means is have it ready

1:24:33to be fully electrified when the grid is available to do so.

1:24:39So we put a lot of thought into future proofing

1:24:42of our mechanical and electrical systems

1:24:43in order to meet those goals.

1:24:45Okay, thanks for that intro.

1:24:47And hopefully as the project progresses

1:24:49that our staff will help with providing guidance

1:24:53on meeting those net zero standards.

1:24:55Then my last question is on the elevation to the east

1:24:59on the fountain side, I see a lot of glazing

1:25:02in the renderings, is that parking

1:25:04or is that usable indoor space?

1:25:08So there are five townhomes that call it

1:25:11the southeast corner.

1:25:13And that's where the majority of the glazing

1:25:15on the fountain side would be.

1:25:17Okay, great.

1:25:18Thanks so much.

1:25:19It's an exciting project.

1:25:22Great, thank you, Councillor.

1:25:23And Councillor, Kate is next and then to Guller.

1:25:26Thank you, through you, Mr. Mayor.

1:25:29I had seen that you're proposing

1:25:32that you have less entrances than required.

1:25:37I was wondering if you could comment

1:25:39as to how this might cause any accessibility concerns

1:25:45or potentially fire hazards in terms of emergency exits?

1:25:51Certainly.

1:25:52So the original bylaw, if I remember correctly,

1:25:55reads that an entrance is required every 15 meters.

1:25:59When we were looking at dividing up the wind-em-side

1:26:02of the site into three different retail units,

1:26:05we were looking for flexibility on the bylaw simply

1:26:07to allow for each one of those units

1:26:09to have a discrete front door.

1:26:11We are absolutely professionally required to meet fire code

1:26:14as well as accessibility requirements.

1:26:17When you're speaking to a retail

1:26:18or a food and beverage provider,

1:26:20it's also their intent to have one sort of main accessible

1:26:25fire-rated front door.

1:26:26And so that's the intent here rather than to...

1:26:29So, and that was our thinking rather than to try

1:26:33and get away from any specific restriction of the bylaw.

1:26:40Thank you.

1:26:41I was also wondering about the parking spaces.

1:26:45So you've got listed for accessible parking spots,

1:26:49but I know that typically you have to have at least 15%

1:26:53of the units available as accessible

1:26:56or at least convertible to accessible.

1:27:00Do you think that's enough?

1:27:05So one of the benefits of owning and operating

1:27:08and managing the building

1:27:09is that we do have flexibility on things like

1:27:12electric vehicle charging or accessible parking spots.

1:27:15If given that the majority of our parking spots

1:27:20will be leased out to tenants,

1:27:22if there's tenant demand for additional accessible spots,

1:27:24we have the flexibility to rejig some of the parking

1:27:27within the building to meet those needs.

1:27:31And will any of the parking be for general residential,

1:27:37commercial access to the ground floor?

1:27:41We are required to have a few visitor spots.

1:27:44The exact number is escaping me right now,

1:27:46but the answer is yes.

1:27:48So of the four accessible spots,

1:27:50how many are dedicated for visitors

1:27:52versus residential currently?

1:27:55I would have to get back to you on that.

1:27:57Okay, thank you so much.

1:28:00Great, thanks and Councillor Goller.

1:28:04Thank you and through your worship.

1:28:05Thank you for the presentation.

1:28:08I've been hearing from my constituents

1:28:11some concerns, the folks that live in the area

1:28:14about the shortage of parking units.

1:28:16Now, could you tell us from your experience

1:28:19owning this style of building,

1:28:21how realistic is it that you would fill it

1:28:23with people that are not then going to park

1:28:26on the residential streets for the couple of blocks

1:28:30out away from the building?

1:28:33So in our experience in catering

1:28:36to the student demographic,

1:28:37we find that by and large the demand for cars

1:28:41or vehicle parking is a lot less

1:28:43compared to the general population.

1:28:45We also think that it's part of our,

1:28:47I'll call it forward thinking as building developers,

1:28:50operators and managers,

1:28:52that we want to encourage people

1:28:53to use other forms of transportation.

1:28:55We want to encourage people to take the train,

1:28:59to take the bus, to ride their bike,

1:29:01to get to school or wherever they need to go.

1:29:04And so we built what we think is an adequate number

1:29:08of parking stalls for the population

1:29:10that we expect to live in the building.

1:29:13And just to follow up on that,

1:29:15that is, would that be backed up by your experience

1:29:17at other similar buildings that are built

1:29:20with much less parking than the number of units?

1:29:22Correct, and that's in consultation

1:29:24with our transportation engineer as well.

1:29:25Okay, thank you for that.

1:29:27Thank you, worship.

1:29:29Great.

1:29:31With that, doesn't seem like to see anything more.

1:29:37I only have one question.

1:29:38If this comes back for approval

1:29:40and if council gives approval,

1:29:42how quick can we see a crane in the sky?

1:29:44Great question.

1:29:45So just to spend a brief moment

1:29:48on our transaction with Conestoga College,

1:29:50it is expected to close in 2027.

1:29:53It's our intent that between now and then,

1:29:56we move through the zoning site plan

1:29:58building permit process.

1:29:59We'd love to be in there and starting construction.

1:30:02The day our transaction closes

1:30:04and they vacate the building.

1:30:06Okay, so do you have any idea?

1:30:092027 can be 365 days.

1:30:13Third quarter, 2027.

1:30:15Okay, and so you'll be working again with approvals.

1:30:18If you get the approvals with our staff as well,

1:30:22just have everything lined up

1:30:23so you're gonna be good to go right away.

1:30:25That's our intent to have a fully designed,

1:30:27fully permitted building.

1:30:28By the time we close on the transaction.

1:30:31Okay, thank you.

1:30:33With that, thank you very much

1:30:35for coming and presenting today.

1:30:37We appreciate it.

1:30:38We'll just move on to the others

1:30:39that have signed up to Dudley Key.

1:30:41And there's only two more.

1:30:42Paul Barson, you're in the front row and up next.

1:30:48And then, Anthony, I see you up there.

1:30:52You're in the wings.

1:30:53So get ready to come down, okay?

1:30:56And welcome, Paul.

1:30:57I think you heard me.

1:30:5810 minutes if you need it.

1:31:00And the chime at nine minutes, 30 second mark

1:31:02to give you the warning.

1:31:03Okay, go ahead.

1:31:04Thank you very much.

1:31:06Good morning, Mayor Guthrie, members of council.

1:31:09I live two doors away at 90 Fountain Street East.

1:31:12I live there with my wife, my three kids, and our dog, Chai.

1:31:16I do remember I delegated here a few years ago

1:31:19for almost the same building and the same spot.

1:31:22And I was one of, what, 40 delegates?

1:31:25How time tempers ire.

1:31:28So our family, we love downtown.

1:31:32We love it for all its warts, but it is suffering.

1:31:36We need more people downtown.

1:31:38People walking around, spending dollars,

1:31:40engaging in the community, people volunteering,

1:31:44people loitering, we need all of it.

1:31:45People in various stages of life,

1:31:47different backgrounds, different income levels,

1:31:49not just students.

1:31:50Hopefully that doesn't fill the building.

1:31:53Projects like this, although they may fail

1:31:55on most measures of when it comes to good city building,

1:31:59they certainly do bring more people.

1:32:02Although I would prefer four six-story buildings,

1:32:05over one 24-story, obviously, or 25,

1:32:08depending on what street you're looking from.

1:32:11And even though my backyard will lose a good portion

1:32:13of its daylight for a good portion of the year,

1:32:16we do need projects like this,

1:32:18just for the sake of more people downtown.

1:32:22For example, upcoming downtown events

1:32:24like the Guelph Recognition of Excellence in the Arts

1:32:25will benefit greatly from having more downtown engaged citizens

1:32:29visit gredis.ca to learn more.

1:32:33Also, we're looking for a good corporate sponsor

1:32:34if Fitzrovia is interested in some goodwill

1:32:39for affordable goodwill and free marketing.

1:32:42However, I am here today to speak mostly

1:32:44because my biggest concern I want to bring forward

1:32:46is the parking entrance locations.

1:32:50I believe that having an entrance off of an exit

1:32:54from the parking garage on Farquhar Street is a bad idea.

1:32:58So that's my street.

1:32:59There's three of us who have driveways on that street,

1:33:02and we exit onto Farquhar Street.

1:33:05And despite the low numbers of traffic

1:33:07in Fitzrovia's traffic count study,

1:33:10what it doesn't take into account is the difficulty.

1:33:12Visibility from Farquhar onto Wyndham is a nightmare,

1:33:16and it often takes a long time to turn left

1:33:19onto Wyndham from Farquhar.

1:33:22With increased traffic, this will become more evident,

1:33:25and there will be accidents.

1:33:26There already are and have been some pretty serious accidents

1:33:29at that intersection.

1:33:30On the Fountain Street side, although visibility

1:33:32is also not great, as cars come whipping out

1:33:36under the bridge from downtown, there are so many more paths

1:33:40to exit through Neve Street, Surrey Street.

1:33:43There's just more escape routes.

1:33:45So I would recommend having all of the parking exits

1:33:48onto Fountain Street.

1:33:50All the entrances can be from the Farquhar side for sure,

1:33:53but it's just the exits going onto Wyndham Street.

1:33:57I'd also wanna mention the lack of parking spots.

1:34:00I have to say this, I think.

1:34:02Tenants that move in will have to park somewhere.

1:34:05And even if their unit didn't come,

1:34:07or especially if their unit didn't come with a spot,

1:34:09this means our local streets will become

1:34:10essentially parking lots.

1:34:12They are already filled with local citizens parking there,

1:34:16people who work nearby.

1:34:18I do appreciate a kind of cars not required downtown,

1:34:23and that is coming someday.

1:34:25And maybe the way to do it is just to do it.

1:34:28I don't know.

1:34:29But I think it'll be many years of street parking chaos

1:34:33while we all figure out how to switch

1:34:35from the current reality that is Guelph,

1:34:38where we all have cars, to a new one

1:34:40that requires more walking.

1:34:45Maybe I would lean on the city for a solution,

1:34:47and suggest that maybe we should push

1:34:51to turn the Fountain Street West parking lot,

1:34:53or the lot at Neve and Fountain,

1:34:57into a parking garage.

1:34:59Time it with the opening of the Fitzerovia building

1:35:01so that there is more parking spots available.

1:35:05Just please don't make it 24 stories tall.

1:35:09That's it.

1:35:10Thank you.

1:35:11Great, thanks a lot, Paul.

1:35:12We appreciate that.

1:35:13Any follow-up for Paul at all before he goes?

1:35:16No, so thank you very much.

1:35:17Anthony, you're up next.

1:35:21Come on down, and you heard the same spiel

1:35:23I gave everybody else, so you can start whenever you're ready.

1:35:32Your worship, counselors, good to see everybody today.

1:35:37Couple things.

1:35:40First thing, we're fully behind this.

1:35:43We are the owners of 52 54 Cardin Street.

1:35:48All this development is needed for this downtown.

1:35:51The more people that live here, the better this downtown is.

1:35:54And right now, we're kind of at the lowest point

1:35:56we could ever be as a downtown.

1:35:59We have a big dig coming in.

1:36:01These guys are basically coming in around September, 2027,

1:36:05third quarter.

1:36:07So that's gonna create a staging area,

1:36:09traffic issues, inaccessibility to the downtown,

1:36:13which already is about to be hit with Wyndham Street,

1:36:17and whatever's gonna happen on Cardin Street, correct?

1:36:22So, we gotta figure some things out

1:36:26because the Feng Shui that we have going on downtown

1:36:30is broken.

1:36:32First thing, Wilson Street was,

1:36:35the direction was changed

1:36:37because of an environmental assessment

1:36:39that has no bearing on today.

1:36:42We have to really look at changing

1:36:44the direction of that street.

1:36:46We don't have very many entrances

1:36:48and this is getting taken away.

1:36:51If all these projects are going in at once,

1:36:54I become in a dry spot.

1:36:56I'll be shadowed in by construction,

1:37:00which means my commercial tenant is ruined.

1:37:03My residential, I don't know.

1:37:07So, my biggest concern is saving our downtown now

1:37:12rather than after all this construction,

1:37:15we're left with a big hole that we have to infill.

1:37:19Now, the other thing that's really hurting this area,

1:37:23mainly this street, is the splash pad.

1:37:27The restrictions that the splash pad put on the square

1:37:31don't create the ability to do good events

1:37:35and that's what's gonna save this downtown.

1:37:37Good events.

1:37:39The biggest driver for people or street people

1:37:42or walking traffic here is actually the train.

1:37:46And when we get two-way traffic,

1:37:49more regularly, then we move money.

1:37:53And when we start moving money, this downtown survives.

1:37:57And the whole thing is even Niagara

1:37:59has asked for more train routes.

1:38:02They've asked for more trains going to Niagara.

1:38:05We as a city need to do that as well.

1:38:09The only other thing I would say is

1:38:15we truly have to look at some of these things.

1:38:18As I said, the splash pad is actually

1:38:20a million dollar loser for this downtown.

1:38:23Wet kids don't spend money.

1:38:26Truly, this is a commercial zone.

1:38:29We have 13 other splash pads.

1:38:32We need to re,

1:38:33now that we have to get rid of it completely,

1:38:35we just need to rethink how we use it

1:38:37to its best ability.

1:38:39This was sold to us as a market square

1:38:42like Nathan Phillips Square.

1:38:45This ain't it.

1:38:47This is used to 10% of its potential.

1:38:51And we're just about to build another square.

1:38:54And we can't even use this one.

1:38:56It's called Market Square

1:38:57and it doesn't even have really a market.

1:39:00So we have to really think

1:39:02about how we want to rebuild this downtown

1:39:04and what investments,

1:39:05because we need to do it now,

1:39:08not further down the road.

1:39:10Thank you.

1:39:11Great, thank you very much.

1:39:12And we appreciate your delegation

1:39:15to any follow up at all.

1:39:17There isn't, thank you again.

1:39:19Appreciate it.

1:39:20So we're at that time now

1:39:21where we're gonna open it up for anybody else here

1:39:24if they would like to speak on the matter.

1:39:26Also a phone number will come up on the screen

1:39:29just in case anyone wants to call in.

1:39:31First of all, is there anyone in the audience

1:39:33that wishes to?

1:39:35No, okay.

1:39:36And I'll just yell at the number here, 519-837-5603.

1:39:42Again, that's 519-837-5603.

1:39:46We'll just wait a few moments here

1:39:48and we'll see if anyone wants to call in, okay?

1:42:44Okay, everyone, clerks has indicated I can bring us back

1:42:48and we did have one person call in.

1:42:50So Derek Mello, I believe I'm saying that right.

1:42:53Derek, it's Mayor Guthrie here.

1:42:55I think you need to hit star six.

1:42:58To be able to unmute yourself.

1:43:01Can you hear us okay?

1:43:06Hi there, Mayor Guthrie.

1:43:08I appreciate the time and the opportunity.

1:43:13Thank you, Derek.

1:43:14Yeah, go right ahead.

1:43:16Yeah, I would like to talk about 70 Fountain.

1:43:19This development I think would be a great development

1:43:22for the city of Guelph.

1:43:24It will create jobs, sorry.

1:43:29It will create jobs for the community.

1:43:32It will help local businesses

1:43:36by bringing new students in, buying everything

1:43:40in the city of Guelph, going to coffee shops,

1:43:43going to restaurants, many other things also.

1:43:48And then it will also,

1:43:51creating a student housing like this,

1:43:53it will, I believe, bring more investments

1:43:56and more developments in the near future.

1:43:59The building's going up before like 14 stories,

1:44:0315 stories, create a problem for developers

1:44:06to come in and invest.

1:44:08Going up to 24 floors, it's a great start.

1:44:12Hopefully one day it could go higher.

1:44:14That's what brings more developments in,

1:44:17where you're gonna bring more housing in.

1:44:20So I just wanted to make that point.

1:44:23And I think it would be a very great developments

1:44:26for the city of Guelph.

1:44:30Great, thanks Derek for calling in.

1:44:32We appreciate that.

1:44:33Is there any questions from my colleagues for Derek?

1:44:36There is not at this time.

1:44:38So thanks again, Derek, and have a great rest of the day.

1:44:41You too, thank you.

1:44:45All right, colleagues, it's back to us.

1:44:47I've been told Councillor Goller

1:44:51and I believe Wardmate Councillor Cossin

1:44:54are willing to move in second the receipt of this application.

1:44:59At this time, again, if anyone's following along,

1:45:01we're not making a decision here.

1:45:03It's just to receive at this time.

1:45:06Is there any comments that have not been stated

1:45:11that you would like to leave with our staff to take away?

1:45:15Okay, chew.

1:45:17And then is that your hand up, Cossin?

1:45:21Yeah, and then Quran as well.

1:45:23So you three.

1:45:25Okay, let's kick it off.

1:45:27Councillor Chew.

1:45:28Thank you, through you, Mr. Mayor.

1:45:31Just a staff, just in response to some of the comments

1:45:35made by the previous delegate,

1:45:38is there a way in which we can entertain,

1:45:41moving that garage entrance to Fountain instead of Farquhar

1:45:45and what's the feasibility of doing that?

1:45:59Yeah, we don't normally, can I be raised?

1:46:01No, it's okay.

1:46:02Just wanna say, we don't normally go back and forth,

1:46:04although I can see a jumpy wanting to.

1:46:07It's something that our staff will take away

1:46:09and they'll engage with you and others on.

1:46:11But Christa, do you wanna just maybe answer that out loud?

1:46:14Of course.

1:46:15Thank you, Mayor Guthrie,

1:46:16that how I was gonna respond,

1:46:17that we've heard the feedback today

1:46:18and we'll take it away and consider it

1:46:20during evaluation of the process

1:46:22and review of the traffic impact statements.

1:46:24Okay, yeah, no, it was just more of a confirmation

1:46:27that you guys can look into that.

1:46:29Yeah, no, I appreciate some of the comments

1:46:31made about the glazing as well.

1:46:33And I think there's a lot of goodwill in the community

1:46:35to support this application.

1:46:37So I'll just state that out there.

1:46:38First and foremost, and I think the attention to detail

1:46:41and intentionality to match the armory

1:46:45for the facade treatment is quite tasteful.

1:46:48So I think that's why you receive a lot of positivity here

1:46:50and I hope that can continue into the conversations of staff.

1:46:53But I think ultimately these conversations,

1:46:56even though we feel like a statutory,

1:46:58there's a lot of sincere concerns

1:47:01in regards with traffic circulation.

1:47:03And I think if we can evaluate the merits of that early on,

1:47:08it would move us better into a decision.

1:47:11So yeah, keep up the good work.

1:47:14Thank you.

1:47:15And I believe I'm going to the screen now.

1:47:19So that would be Klaassen and then Karan.

1:47:26Yes, thank you.

1:47:29I just wanted to say a lot of my questions

1:47:31were addressed within the presentation itself.

1:47:34So I didn't, most of them resolved,

1:47:37but I did really appreciate some of the attention

1:47:40to detail with regards to the masonry

1:47:42and the arches and sort of the architectural direction

1:47:45that the podium of the building brings to our downtown

1:47:51as well as the three spaces for retail

1:47:56outside of the cafe that will already be included.

1:48:00I think it's really important to have a mindful approach.

1:48:04And I heard that there's a retail leasing team

1:48:06who's dedicated to filling these spaces.

1:48:08We need active business storefronts downtown

1:48:13and we do need more people downtown.

1:48:14And I think that this is the type of development

1:48:17that can accomplish that.

1:48:20And so I did have a take, a couple of notes.

1:48:26One is I am concerned about all of the construction

1:48:30happening downtown and the impacts for our business owners.

1:48:33I don't think that's a surprise to hear from me,

1:48:36but there is the prospect.

1:48:39And I know that staff is aware of this,

1:48:41but our delegate from downtown is correct.

1:48:44All of the staging, all of the impacts

1:48:47to closures, to streets has an impact

1:48:50on our existing business owners downtown.

1:48:53And it's already post pandemic realities

1:48:57do make running and operating businesses downtown a challenge.

1:49:02And so as we move forward,

1:49:03I truly hope that we're being strategic

1:49:06about how we're making decisions,

1:49:09not decisions, but timing

1:49:11and how we're setting up our businesses for success

1:49:14as we grow and evolve our downtown.

1:49:16I think it's really important that we're thinking about them

1:49:19and everything that we do,

1:49:20because we want them to be around through the construction

1:49:24and after the construction to contribute to the thriving,

1:49:28you know, the thriving downtown that we want.

1:49:30And much of it does thrive.

1:49:32And I want it to continue to thrive.

1:49:35So that's my comment on that.

1:49:37And then we have the on street parking review coming up.

1:49:41And I hope that as a part of that,

1:49:44we're looking at the impacts

1:49:46that these developments might have on the surrounding streets.

1:49:49There is a little that little pocket of downtown,

1:49:53certainly is a weird combination of densities.

1:49:58And so I hope that this will line up

1:50:02the results of the on street parking review.

1:50:06We'll also address some of those concerns

1:50:07that our delegate had with regard to on street parking

1:50:11around the development.

1:50:13And that's it.

1:50:15Thank you.

1:50:16All right. Thank you.

1:50:18And Karan then Boussatel.

1:50:20All right. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1:50:22I have some similar comments.

1:50:24The first is that when we looked at this site many years ago,

1:50:28we noted that from Wellington Street,

1:50:31because of the elevation on the topography of the hill,

1:50:36it actually had a greater appearance

1:50:37in terms of max stories when looking from northward.

1:50:43And so I'm hoping that staff can take that into consideration.

1:50:47Obviously in 106, but 106 and OPA 106,

1:50:52we contemplated a maximum of 24 stories.

1:50:56But I'd like staff to perhaps provide some different renderings

1:51:01of what the elevation impact is.

1:51:03I don't know if staff would provide those

1:51:05or the proponent would provide those

1:51:07so that we have a better idea of what the actual impact

1:51:10of 24 stories is on that site from eye level,

1:51:13because we're seeing a lot of really beautiful renderings

1:51:15from a drone kind of view.

1:51:19Similar to that, I do have some concerns

1:51:21about measuring at grade on Farquhar.

1:51:24If truly it is a double grade,

1:51:26then the measurement of height should be from the lower grade,

1:51:30because that's where the visual impact,

1:51:33looking from the south to the north.

1:51:36And then just a comment that I know in the past,

1:51:40I've been rather hesitant on these taller buildings

1:51:43from an architectural downtown point of view

1:51:47related to the river and the skyline

1:51:49and the nearby heritage district

1:51:51and the designated amenities,

1:51:55the armories next door and the drill hole.

1:51:57I think obviously, OK, 106 changed all of that

1:52:01and I'm quite open to the additional stories,

1:52:04but I'd like some additional information and renderings

1:52:07on what that impact might be

1:52:08from different elevations at ground levels.

1:52:10So, and then of course, as you know,

1:52:13they're community energy,

1:52:14and I know you'll also address snow removal

1:52:16and waste management on site when you bring it back

1:52:20to potential stage areas for those civic functions

1:52:24that need to take place in the city.

1:52:26Thanks very much to staff.

1:52:28Okay, thank you.

1:52:29And to Boussatil please.

1:52:32Thank you.

1:52:33And through the mayor,

1:52:34I wanted to first appreciate the developers' response

1:52:38to my question about the three bedrooms

1:52:40that really this is a home and not a student residence.

1:52:43Really appreciate that.

1:52:44I think that's respectful.

1:52:47The second thing is for our staff,

1:52:50you've heard about family housing.

1:52:52We've been chatting unclear about the townhouse

1:52:56on Fountain Street if those are two bedrooms,

1:52:59three bedrooms, didn't quite clearly see that in there.

1:53:03If again, is it three?

1:53:05Okay, missed it.

1:53:07Problems loading this.

1:53:08And the last thing is just around the commercial.

1:53:11Downtown has talked quite a bit

1:53:13about the need for a grocery store.

1:53:16My parents are at 35 Church,

1:53:19grocery store there down on the Esplanade as well.

1:53:22Just really if you can have conversations

1:53:26around a grocery store, that would be great.

1:53:28Thank you.

1:53:30All right, thank you.

1:53:34Oh, Kate, I'm sorry.

1:53:35Oh my God, I just almost missed you there.

1:53:38Go ahead, you're gonna wrap us up.

1:53:40Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1:53:41I was late to put my hand up, so you're all good.

1:53:46I was just, in terms of comments,

1:53:49as I said to the developers,

1:53:51I'm interested in accessibility impacts

1:53:55for the less entrances.

1:53:58I know that you're gonna be doing a traffic study

1:54:00to help look at if there's gonna be a need

1:54:04for crossing and lights in that area.

1:54:07And I do like that it's not exclusively students.

1:54:13And I think that the design is actually kind of cute.

1:54:16I have concerns with the height

1:54:19and not including that main floor,

1:54:22especially since it is so elevated as a story.

1:54:25And I was just wondering if we could get some information

1:54:30on the rooftop pool in terms of safety impact

1:54:34and water use when the report does come back.

1:54:38Thanks.

1:54:40Okay, thank you.

1:54:42Okay, nothing further.

1:54:46It's already been moved and seconded for receiving.

1:54:50My only comment is we had three delegates in a row

1:54:54that were positive about a development like this

1:54:57in the downtown.

1:54:59Bring it on.

1:55:03Yes, I think this is, that's a Christmas miracle, for sure.

1:55:08So I, yeah, that was,

1:55:12that just absolutely made my day.

1:55:15So I wish you all the best in answering the questions

1:55:18that have come up, maybe looking at things

1:55:19in a different way if you can,

1:55:23as it eventually comes back to us.

1:55:25And yeah, I've been told from others

1:55:31that you tend to get approvals and then you build.

1:55:35You're a builder.

1:55:35So we need that in our city and we want you to get going

1:55:41as soon as possible if the approval happens.

1:55:42So wishing you all the best.

1:55:45And with that, I'll call the vote on receiving.

1:55:48Is anyone against?

1:55:51Nobody, so that's unanimous.

1:55:52So thank you again.

1:55:54Council, we're gonna take a five minute break

1:55:56before we go to the next one,

1:55:59which is for the 328 Victoria Road South

1:56:04and 588 Stone Road East

1:56:07for the Official Plan Amendment and Zoning By-law Amendments.

1:56:11So let's come back here.

1:56:15Let's take a nine minute break.

1:56:19Let's come back and we'll start, start at 1130, okay?

1:56:23Thank you.

2:04:51If I could just have my colleagues on camera online,

2:04:54please turn their cameras on.

2:04:56That would be great just to at least start

2:04:58to see who's with us.

2:05:00Thank you.

2:05:05All right, we're good.

2:05:06We're gonna call the meeting back to order.