Report 2026-321 from Planning and Building Services, dated July 14, 2026, regarding the draft Ward Heritage Conservation District Plan and Guidelines be received.

4:49:58It is the draft plan and guidelines.

4:50:01We have a couple of presentations here from both Jack

4:50:05and Rebecca.

4:50:06I don't have my glasses on.

4:50:08Rebecca, where are you?

4:50:10Hello.

4:50:11Thank you.

4:50:12So I will turn it over to you to hit us with that presentation.

4:50:17We have one delegation after that.

4:50:20So go right ahead, Jack.

4:50:21Thank you.

4:50:22Good evening, Mayor Guthrie, members of council

4:50:25and members of the public who have joined us

4:50:26to discuss the draft Ward Heritage Conservation District

4:50:29plan.

4:50:31Recognizing that you have a long meeting tonight,

4:50:33I will try and conserve your time as carefully

4:50:35as I can serve heritage.

4:50:38Tonight presents an opportunity for council

4:50:42and members of the public to provide feedback on the draft

4:50:45Ward HCD plan.

4:50:48I will be presenting alongside Rebecca Shara, cultural heritage

4:50:51manager with ASI, and project manager for the Ward HCD

4:50:55project.

4:50:57To provide a brief recap, in 2023,

4:51:00council directed staff to initiate a heritage district

4:51:03study for the western portion of the Ward neighborhood.

4:51:07Heritage conservation districts are a proven strategy

4:51:10for conserving community character,

4:51:12while making room for needed growth and change.

4:51:16Last June, council approved the proposed boundary

4:51:19for the district and directed staff

4:51:20to begin work on the Heritage Conservation District

4:51:23plan that would guide conservation and development

4:51:26in the Ward HCD.

4:51:29From the beginning, we envisioned this district

4:51:32to be shaped by the community within its borders.

4:51:35We hosted three very well attended public open houses.

4:51:39We received valuable feedback and advice.

4:51:43What we heard, loud and clear, was

4:51:46the desire to have heritage buildings and landscapes protected

4:51:50from loss without restricting change or property owners

4:51:53ability to be creative.

4:51:56Similarly, we consulted development stakeholders

4:51:59whose feedback was critical to developing a plan that balances

4:52:02conservation with flexibility.

4:52:06It is appropriate that we are presenting this plan

4:52:08the same evening as the Urban Design Master Plan

4:52:11for the Midtown Village.

4:52:13The two reports tell different parts of the same story,

4:52:16that heritage and development can go hand in hand.

4:52:21Preserving what makes a place special and accommodating

4:52:23growth are not mutually exclusive goals.

4:52:26They're both essential to building a city that

4:52:28is vibrant, resilient, and distinctive.

4:52:32Heritage district is a conversation

4:52:34between past, present, and future.

4:52:37It is about deciding what is worth carrying forward

4:52:39and how we can manage change without losing the character that

4:52:42makes a place special.

4:52:44In Planner Speak, we call this stewardship

4:52:48of the ward's unique cultural heritage resources

4:52:51and landscapes.

4:52:52A resident at one of our open houses

4:52:54had a more direct way of putting it.

4:52:57Keep the ward weird.

4:53:00After several hundred pages of reports, maps, inventories,

4:53:03studies, and policy recommendations,

4:53:06it was humbling to discover that the goal of this project

4:53:09could be summarized so concisely in just four words.

4:53:13I will now hand it over to Rebecca

4:53:14to tell you more about the Ward HCD District Plan.

4:53:30Thank you, Jack, and good evening.

4:53:37I'm Rebecca Sherra, Principal and Heritage Planner

4:53:39with ASI Heritage.

4:53:41I've been leading the Ward Conservation District Study

4:53:44and Plan since the work began in 2024.

4:53:48I am here with Uta Mayajim Batista, Principal

4:53:51and Urban Designer with O2 Planning and Design.

4:53:55We have prepared a short presentation tonight

4:53:57to walk through the Ward Conservation District Plan.

4:54:03I will start tonight with a quick refresh of what

4:54:07the plan is covering.

4:54:18Yes, I am.

4:54:24We go.

4:54:26I'm here.

4:54:27Thank you.

4:54:29So a formal heritage district in the ward

4:54:31is being recommended under the Ontario Heritage

4:54:33Act within the area shown here in front of you.

4:54:37The goal of this district is to establish a flexible, yet

4:54:40place sensitive framework to guide future development

4:54:44in the ward.

4:54:46The goal is not to freeze the place and time.

4:54:50Instead, this district plan presents a path forward

4:54:53for how it can continue to adapt while remaining special.

4:54:58This is a place with memories, with historic fabric,

4:55:02yet also very contemporary.

4:55:04And all of those elements are at their best

4:55:07when operating and mixing together.

4:55:10The plan responds to and celebrates

4:55:14this potent mix of elements that characterize

4:55:17this part of the ward, a place that

4:55:19is in a constant state of shaping, making, adapting,

4:55:23and celebrating.

4:55:27Almost a year ago, City Council directed staff

4:55:30to begin preparing a planning document for the Ward Heritage

4:55:33District.

4:55:36It covers the west side of the ward area,

4:55:39where development happened earliest and in a distinct way.

4:55:43It was shaped by its location on the speed and Aramosa Rivers.

4:55:48The confluence between them would have likely

4:55:50been an important meeting place for Indigenous communities

4:55:53long before the area was intensified in the late 1800s

4:55:59and early 1900s.

4:56:01Its riverside location encouraged industry and rail

4:56:04to emerge here and also laid a blueprint

4:56:07for any regular and curious arrangement of streets and blocks.

4:56:12Its low lying and wetlands kept the land affordable,

4:56:16and between the 1880s and 1930s when the area built up.

4:56:19The buildings and streetscapes that emerged

4:56:22reflect the lives and traditions of the communities

4:56:24of newcomers that arrived here, making it their new home.

4:56:32The district plan for the ward has

4:56:33been developed based on this kind of understanding

4:56:36of this place.

4:56:38That understanding has involved looking at the history

4:56:40and features of the area, how it was developed,

4:56:43and how it has changed, and the patterns that

4:56:45are on display here today.

4:56:47This understanding also takes into account

4:56:49what the area is intended to become based on the cities

4:56:53and provinces land use planning vision and goals.

4:56:56It also reflects what we have heard

4:56:58from talking to the public, people who live here,

4:57:01people who own property here, people who want to build

4:57:04and develop here, people who work here, paint here,

4:57:08walk here, visit here.

4:57:11We have also talked to the Mississaugas of the New Credit

4:57:14and Six Nations of the Grand River

4:57:15and a project specific working group and the city's Heritage

4:57:18Advisory Committee.

4:57:23The ward neighborhood may not be a conventional or obvious

4:57:27candidate for a heritage conservation district.

4:57:3040 years ago, when districts started

4:57:32to be protected in Ontario, they tended

4:57:34to focus on areas of sameness or high-end architecture,

4:57:38impressive examples of grand buildings built

4:57:41by people of means or streets lined

4:57:44with nearly identical buildings.

4:57:4640 years later, though, districts and approaches

4:57:49to heritage conservation are far more reflective

4:57:53and insightful.

4:57:55Heritage is not a beauty contest.

4:57:57It's about understanding places that

4:57:59are part of our collective history and contemporary communities

4:58:03and how those layers can survive as they continue to evolve

4:58:07and thrive through this century and beyond.

4:58:10This historically working class area

4:58:12contains a number of large late 19th and 20th century

4:58:16industrial buildings located along the Speed River

4:58:19and around a series of rail lines that were introduced

4:58:21to the neighborhood.

4:58:26These industrial buildings are surrounded

4:58:28by tightly packed workers' housing,

4:58:30built following simple designs and using modest materials.

4:58:37The neighborhood has long been home to newcomers

4:58:40and immigrant populations, with a particularly large population

4:58:45of Italian immigrants who brought their traditions

4:58:47and ways of life to the community.

4:58:52Many of the buildings here have been altered and adapted

4:58:55over time as people converted parts of their homes

4:58:58into shops and storefronts.

4:59:00These conversions were an important part

4:59:02of the local economy and vital to the resilience and self-sufficiency

4:59:05of the community.

4:59:08These changes left physical traces throughout the neighborhood

4:59:11that today communicate its evolution.

4:59:14There is no question that this area is of cultural heritage value

4:59:18and meets the requirements for designation

4:59:20under the Ontario Heritage Act.

4:59:25Over the last year, this project has had a robust engagement

4:59:28program.

4:59:29Virtual public engagement activities ran in the winter,

4:59:32and we shared preliminary work with a project working group

4:59:36and the Heritage Advisory Committee at the same time.

4:59:39In the spring, we had a public open house

4:59:41to share draft policies and guidelines

4:59:44at the Italian-Canadian Centre.

4:59:46One-on-one communications with interested stakeholders

4:59:49and the Mississaugas of the Credit

4:59:51and Six Nations of the Grand happened in the spring as well.

4:59:55We are now here today having the statutory public meeting

4:59:58of council.

4:59:59A draft version of the plan was released in its entirety

5:00:02in June, and I'd like to now share a bit of what we heard

5:00:06through these rich and engaging sessions.

5:00:12We heard through the engagement program

5:00:14that this is an area with important community anchors.

5:00:17This map shows some specific features and sites

5:00:21that the community hopes are still there in 2050.

5:00:24Some are institutional buildings and sites

5:00:27like churches and schools, places that have served

5:00:29the community for decades.

5:00:31Others are places like the intersection of Arthur, Ontario,

5:00:36and Manitoba Street.

5:00:38Some are contemporary or of the more recent past,

5:00:41like the Two Rivers Community Garden or the Ukrainian Church,

5:00:45while others are from the 1800s like the Spring Mill Distillery.

5:00:52At March, the Italian-Canadian Centre,

5:00:54our understanding of this place continued to be refined.

5:00:57We talked with people and discussed sample policies

5:01:00and guidelines for the district.

5:01:02We heard from kids, parents, people who live in the ward,

5:01:05and people who do business here about the features that

5:01:08should be stewarded as the area moves forward.

5:01:13In summary, through the process, we

5:01:15heard recurring themes about what is important to steward

5:01:19as the community continues to adapt and evolve.

5:01:22Freedom of self-expression was emphasized.

5:01:25We also heard that retention of a unique mix of historic buildings

5:01:29was important and also an emphasis on a commitment

5:01:33to a strong public realm network supporting walkability

5:01:36and human connections.

5:01:39And it is with all of this input and knowledge

5:01:41that we have crafted a district plan that

5:01:44responds to what we have heard.

5:02:01The district plan for the ward is not a cookie-cutter type

5:02:05of conservation plan.

5:02:07It is different than the usual heritage document.

5:02:11It documents what we have learned about this place,

5:02:14its unique and curious patterns of built forms and streetscapes

5:02:17and what we have heard.

5:02:19It presents a highly permissive and flexible policy framework

5:02:23and set of guidelines.

5:02:25And this is exactly part of the ward's cultural and built

5:02:28form DNA, historically and today.

5:02:31The plan allows for and encourages

5:02:33people to continue adapting and altering

5:02:36their buildings and properties.

5:02:38It recognizes that streetscapes and the public realm

5:02:41can help promote walkability and pedestrian experiences.

5:02:45The plan presents policies that consider

5:02:47how private property meets shared public space.

5:02:51The plan recognizes the historical and contemporary

5:02:54importance of commercial building

5:02:56typologies within the district and continuing

5:02:59this important historical pattern of small businesses.

5:03:03Finally, the plan serves as a record in and of itself,

5:03:07documenting this working class area

5:03:09where newcomers establish themselves and build communities.

5:03:13The plan creates a framework for stewarding the buildings

5:03:15and telling their stories and also a path

5:03:18for continuing to tell those stories

5:03:20even when the bricks and mortar are no longer there.

5:03:26In the plan document, you will see

5:03:28that properties within the boundary

5:03:29have been categorized into contributing properties.

5:03:33These are the properties that reflect

5:03:36or express the district's heritage values,

5:03:39most date to the 1880 to 1930 period.

5:03:42Others are much earlier from the 1850s to 1870s

5:03:47while others are later, like the Ukrainian church.

5:03:51Others go back to time immemorial, such as the rivers.

5:03:56Many are house-formed buildings,

5:03:59also included our churches, schools,

5:04:02former sites of industry, as well as homes

5:04:05that operated cottage industries inside their walls.

5:04:09Also included our gateways, such as the hundred steps

5:04:12or places, such as the intersection of Arthur,

5:04:14Ontario, Manitoba, and Allison here on street.

5:04:22As required under the Ontario Heritage Act,

5:04:24the plan presents a process for heritage permitting

5:04:27within the proposed district.

5:04:29Dependent on the kinds of activities proposed,

5:04:32activities can fall into one of four categories.

5:04:36Activities can either be exempt

5:04:39or considered a minor activity

5:04:41or considered a major activity,

5:04:43and then the fourth category includes new constructions

5:04:47and or demolition activities.

5:04:50Exempt activities require nothing more

5:04:53than is otherwise required under the building code.

5:04:56Minor, major, and new construction

5:04:59or demolition activities require a heritage permit process.

5:05:04Permits for minor activities are approved at the staff level.

5:05:09Major or new construction or demolition permits

5:05:12are also approved at the staff level

5:05:14with input from the Heritage Advisory Committee.

5:05:17There is no cost for heritage permits,

5:05:20and if there is a recommendation from staff

5:05:22to refuse a permit, the permit would then go to council

5:05:27to make a final decision,

5:05:28and property owners can appeal council decisions

5:05:31to the Ontario Land Tribunal.

5:05:36Many activities on contributing properties

5:05:39within the proposed district are exempt.

5:05:42Exempt activities include things like interior renovations

5:05:46or constructing an accessory dwelling unit

5:05:50that's not visible from the public right of way.

5:05:53Additions of elements such as dormers, for example,

5:05:56as well as repairs or replacements in kind.

5:06:00For example, existing, replacing existing siding

5:06:04with new siding, as well as additions of replacements

5:06:09or removals of porches.

5:06:10Those are all activities that would be exempt

5:06:12from a specific heritage permit.

5:06:15Other activities on contributing properties

5:06:18would require a minor heritage permit,

5:06:20which would be approved at the staff level.

5:06:24These kinds of minor activities involve things like

5:06:27adding new or extending parking pad areas,

5:06:31constructing an accessory dwelling unit

5:06:33that is visible from the public right of way,

5:06:36or even making additions at rears and sides

5:06:40of primary buildings on contributing properties,

5:06:43which in some cases may also be exempt

5:06:46from any heritage permit

5:06:47dependent on the scope of the addition.

5:06:50Other more substantial activities

5:06:52on contributing properties

5:06:54would require a major heritage permit,

5:06:56things like picking up an entire building

5:06:59and moving it to an entirely new property,

5:07:02or adding a full second story addition

5:07:06on a single story building,

5:07:08or making an addition that fully conceals

5:07:11the front facade of a contributing building.

5:07:15If a contributing building is proposed for demolition,

5:07:20a new construction or demolition permit would be required.

5:07:25For non-contributing properties,

5:07:27so those are all the properties

5:07:29that are considered to not express

5:07:30the heritage values of the district,

5:07:33the plan addresses two future permitting scenarios

5:07:36for those types of properties.

5:07:38So one would involve when a new building

5:07:41is proposed for construction in the district

5:07:44on a non-contributing property,

5:07:46a new construction heritage permit process

5:07:48would be required.

5:07:50Or in other cases,

5:07:52demolitions of non-contributing buildings

5:07:55would either be exempt

5:07:57or in some cases require a minor permit.

5:08:05The plan presents a series of policies

5:08:07and guidelines as well

5:08:08in chapters 10, 11, and 12 of the document.

5:08:12And it's very important to understand the difference

5:08:14between policies versus guidelines in the plan.

5:08:18Policies define the expectations for the district

5:08:21and use words like shall.

5:08:23These are mandatory.

5:08:25In contrast, guidelines provide practical

5:08:28how-to strategies to achieve policies.

5:08:32They are not mandatory

5:08:33and use words like should and encourage.

5:08:39I now want to walk through some sample policies

5:08:41and guidelines from the draft plan.

5:08:43And I'd like to show how policies differ from guidelines

5:08:47and also give a taste of their substance.

5:08:50Within the plan document itself,

5:08:52all policies are clearly identified in purple text

5:08:55and as numbered statements in chapters 10, 11, and 12.

5:09:00Guidelines are presented after policies

5:09:02and are in a lettered list.

5:09:05Here's an example of a policy

5:09:07and two guidelines for making additions

5:09:10on contributing properties.

5:09:12The policy states that additions to contributing properties

5:09:16that contain representative

5:09:17or unique residential building types

5:09:20shall be permitted at rears and sides.

5:09:24The plan provides a clear statement

5:09:27that side and rear additions to buildings

5:09:29are permitted in the district.

5:09:31Two text guidelines as you see here, A and B,

5:09:35and visual diagrams pair with this policy

5:09:38to help explain how one can achieve the policy

5:09:43while not introducing mandatory, rigid,

5:09:47and cookie cutter requirements.

5:09:49So for example, side and rear yard additions

5:09:52can exceed existing ridge lines of roofs in the district.

5:09:57And this is because in the ward,

5:09:59we are not interested in hiding additions and changes.

5:10:03Seeing additions is very much what this place is all about.

5:10:07And this kind of policy approach

5:10:09invites a wide range of different ways

5:10:11that a property owner can add density to their lot

5:10:14and a livable space to an existing building.

5:10:18Another guideline that pairs with this policy

5:10:21advises that full story additions are discouraged.

5:10:26But where contemplated,

5:10:28they should be set back from the primary facade.

5:10:31As part of our technical analysis

5:10:33of existing buildings and streets in the ward,

5:10:36we found that full story additions

5:10:38can often dramatically impact a contributing building,

5:10:43reducing the extent to which it's even recognizable

5:10:46as a sort of historic part of the place.

5:10:50So this kind of flexible wording provides guidance

5:10:53on how to do a full story addition, if necessary,

5:10:57without introducing strict requirements

5:10:59that would forever and always preclude them from happening.

5:11:05These policies were informed based on an understanding

5:11:08of what is here in the ward in its evolved form.

5:11:12Therefore, the policies welcome and invite additions

5:11:16that are added in highly visible ways,

5:11:18but in a manner that allows for the original building

5:11:22or the older building and its history of add-ons

5:11:26to be visible.

5:11:27In contrast, the photo on the right

5:11:30shows a former one-story building

5:11:32with full story addition added without any setback,

5:11:36which, as you can see,

5:11:37distorts some of its original form, scale,

5:11:40and understanding as a historical piece of the district.

5:11:44And therefore, this kind of approach

5:11:45to an addition is discouraged.

5:11:50I now want to walk through another sample policy,

5:11:54but this time for non-contributing properties.

5:11:56So a key thing to remember in a district

5:11:59is that it's concerned with guiding change

5:12:02on heritage properties, but also ensuring

5:12:05that new buildings add positively to the district

5:12:09and support its heritage values

5:12:11and the objectives of the district itself.

5:12:14Chapter 11 of the plan presents policies

5:12:18about how to introduce new buildings.

5:12:20In terms of building location and orientation,

5:12:23for example, the plan directs that new buildings

5:12:27shall have a varied street wall rhythm.

5:12:31The plan, again, is not interested

5:12:33in uniform setbacks and monotony.

5:12:38That is neither in the cultural DNA of this neighborhood

5:12:41nor an objective of the district.

5:12:43Therefore, the guidelines that support this policy

5:12:46advise property owners to take cues

5:12:48from elsewhere in the district, embracing creativity

5:12:52and site-specific solutions

5:12:54rather than matching existing adjacent properties.

5:13:02These examples clarify the difference

5:13:04between requirements, i.e. policies,

5:13:07that are presented in the plan versus guidance,

5:13:10those being the suggestions that property owners

5:13:13are recommended to consider when planning new buildings

5:13:16or alterations to existing ones.

5:13:19In summary, I want to wrap up

5:13:22with five key highlights for property owners

5:13:24as it's so important to have clarity about implications

5:13:28for property owners as we move closer

5:13:30to possible implementation of this plan.

5:13:34One, policies and guidelines of the plan

5:13:36apply to building exteriors

5:13:38and the primary buildings on the lot.

5:13:41Interiors are not impacted,

5:13:42neither are ancillary structures.

5:13:45Second, the plan does not require

5:13:48that contributing properties be restored

5:13:50to a previous period in time.

5:13:53Three, there are no fees

5:13:54for heritage permit applications.

5:13:57Four, the policies and guidelines presented in the plan,

5:14:01also working coordination with existing zoning bylaws

5:14:04and community planning permit systems.

5:14:06And finally, the plan is premised on welcoming

5:14:10building adaptations and new buildings and developments

5:14:14that are compatible with the area and fit its context.

5:14:18Such new construction may also be subject to other requirements

5:14:22such as site and area specific policies, secondary plans

5:14:26and or urban design master plans.

5:14:33We're here today sharing a complete draft of the HCD plan

5:14:37and based on feedback received today

5:14:39and since the plan was publicly released in June,

5:14:42our next steps will be to update the plan

5:14:45with the targeted release of the final plan in early August

5:14:49and with a formal recommendation to council

5:14:51for approval in September.

5:14:53Thank you.

5:14:57Well, thank you both very much.

5:14:58We do have one delegation.

5:15:00I'd like to go to Barbara Mann right away,

5:15:03please on this topic.

5:15:04So we'll come back to staff in a moment.

5:15:08Barbara Mann is here on behalf

5:15:10of the Ward Residence Association.

5:15:12And again, it's no more than 10 minutes, okay?

5:15:14There's a chime at the nine minute 30 second mark.

5:15:17I'll turn it over to you, Barbara.

5:15:18Thank you.

5:15:19It'll be a lot less than that.

5:15:20I just wanted to tell you what we've heard

5:15:22from the residents of this has been going on.

5:15:26Basically, there's been no full on opposition at all.

5:15:31Some people have said they want to designate

5:15:33because they're actually afraid

5:15:34of what could happen in the future,

5:15:36like road widening and things like that.

5:15:38Others have said that they don't understand it completely

5:15:42and they're afraid to designate,

5:15:44but that last part, thank you, was really helpful.

5:15:46We'll get that up on the website for them.

5:15:50And as an individual, I'm going to speak to that

5:15:53as soon as Kilmar got hold of the Wood site,

5:15:55we wanted the Ward to be a heritage district site.

5:15:59So it's really exciting for me as an individual

5:16:01to hear that this is a possibility coming now.

5:16:04So thank you for all the hard work

5:16:06that you guys put into that

5:16:07because we know it was a lot of hard work.

5:16:12Thank you, Barbara.

5:16:12Is there any questions for Barbara?

5:16:16There's 10 questions.

5:16:17You got to come back, notice, okay?

5:16:19Okay, that's it.

5:16:20All right, is there anybody else in the room

5:16:23that would like to speak to this item?

5:16:27Okay, come on down, sir.

5:16:29Actually, take your time.

5:16:30I'm going to throw a phone number up on the screen

5:16:32very quickly, okay?

5:16:34So if anyone wants to call in on this topic as well,

5:16:37it's 519-837-5603.

5:16:41Again, that's 519-837-5603.

5:16:47And as we hear from you, sir,

5:16:50we will also let our clerks see if anyone calls in

5:16:52over the time limit for yourself as well, okay?

5:16:55So if you could just state your name for the record,

5:16:58we'd appreciate it.

5:16:59Go right ahead.

5:17:00Sure.

5:17:02My name is Brian Lauder, and I live in,

5:17:06actually one of the weirdest streets in the Ward.

5:17:10Our street is very much a mix up,

5:17:16I would say, a mash of different properties,

5:17:20which to me contributes to the,

5:17:22I call it heterogeneous neighborhood,

5:17:24of quality of the neighborhood.

5:17:27I guess one of my, I think the heritage,

5:17:32proposed heritage designation district

5:17:35is an excellent idea.

5:17:37I guess one question would be,

5:17:42Rebecca stated that the plan is not gonna require

5:17:46the building to be brought back to its appearance

5:17:51at a specific moment in time.

5:17:53Although I believe when planners were looking

5:17:58at contributing properties,

5:18:00they actually did do it in a specific moment of time.

5:18:05Many of the properties in the Ward, for example,

5:18:10were corner stores that have since been converted

5:18:15to residential uses.

5:18:19So the corner stores are sort of part

5:18:23of the original character of the district,

5:18:28and yet their use is residential.

5:18:31Is there any encouragement?

5:18:37I know it would probably have to go through

5:18:39a zoning bylaw amendment,

5:18:40but is there any encouragement in the plan

5:18:43for some of these original uses to be brought back,

5:18:48so to speak?

5:18:52Yeah, that's a question that maybe one of us here

5:18:54could ask on your behalf to staff

5:18:56once the delegations are done.

5:18:58You do still have more time

5:19:00if there's anything further that you wanted to add?

5:19:03I would just be filling up space.

5:19:05No, no problem.

5:19:06Okay.

5:19:07I think I'm good.

5:19:08I mean, one of my concerns was how much teeth

5:19:12is there in this, in the plan,

5:19:14because I have seen,

5:19:18I used to work for Planning Department myself,

5:19:19and I used to see properties

5:19:22that had received heritage designations,

5:19:25and the Heritage Conservation Officer

5:19:28recommended preservation of the property,

5:19:31but that planner had no means

5:19:36by which they could say this does not comply,

5:19:39and so the property would end up getting demolished.

5:19:43So I would just hope that this plan

5:19:47would have some kind of similar teeth,

5:19:50and I know Rebecca did mention it,

5:19:52that an application could be refused by staff

5:19:57or amendments requested or appeal

5:20:01that could go to council.

5:20:02I would just like to make sure

5:20:04that there is a very clear process

5:20:08in place for that to happen.

5:20:11Great, yeah, I think maybe we'll ask that

5:20:13on your behalf, those two things,

5:20:15sort of the encouragement, incentive side,

5:20:17and the regulator teeth side of it.

5:20:22We'll ask those for you.

5:20:23Yeah.

5:20:24Is there any other questions for the delegate

5:20:26while he's here?

5:20:29No, thank you very much for coming forward,

5:20:32and while we were listening to him,

5:20:34is there anybody that called in on this one?

5:20:38No, so are you good?

5:20:39Do you wanna wait another minute, or?

5:20:42Are you okay?

5:20:43Okay, all right, perfect.

5:20:45So sorry, no, Barbara,

5:20:54but just from our procedural bylaw,

5:20:55we can't go back and forth.

5:20:57It pains me to say that,

5:20:59but no, we can't go back and forth, okay, I'm sorry, yeah.

5:21:03Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

5:21:05I won't block them, I promise.

5:21:08So thank you.

5:21:09Okay, is there someone that would at least

5:21:12be willing to move receipt,

5:21:13Koran and Downer, okay, for, and it is to receive?

5:21:18Now, is there any questions of staff,

5:21:20any comments you wanna give to staff as a takeaway?

5:21:23I'll start with Klossin, and then Koran.

5:21:30Yes, good evening.

5:21:33As your resident council ward, weirdo,

5:21:37I just wanna thank you.

5:21:40I'm also the granddaughter of proud Italian immigrants,

5:21:43so I feel excited to be receiving this today,

5:21:47and the thoughtful process that you have undertook.

5:21:51And before I ask my question,

5:21:52I did wanna read a very short sentence

5:21:55from a resident who contacted me,

5:21:58and I don't have it, wait, sorry, I'm sorry, it's coming.

5:22:03But basically, it was, we should be proud in Guelph

5:22:06for the work that this team did on this report.

5:22:09And so I just wanted to thank our staff for this,

5:22:11it's not every day that we get thank yous from residents

5:22:15about the process and about the report,

5:22:18and I just wanna echo that resident's sentiment as well.

5:22:22And so my question is with regard to,

5:22:26and I'm sorry if this was said and I missed it,

5:22:29but I just didn't quite understand the ADU

5:22:32not visible from the public right of way.

5:22:36If you could just maybe paint a picture for me again,

5:22:38I would appreciate that.

5:22:47Through you, your worship.

5:22:50At the moment, the draft plan

5:22:54has policies to encourage and welcome the ADUs

5:23:00on contributing and non-contributing properties,

5:23:04and makes a distinction at the moment

5:23:06that if it is visible from the public right of way

5:23:09versus not visible, there's a different permitting

5:23:13process proposed where that if it's not visible,

5:23:17then it would be exempt.

5:23:19If it is visible, there would be some permit required

5:23:23to ensure that there is a compatible fit

5:23:27given its visibility.

5:23:30I think we've already heard some feedback on that topic

5:23:32since we've released the draft plan that maybe,

5:23:38that's something to think about further

5:23:41about perhaps not having two different permitting streams

5:23:44and not being too concerned about visibility

5:23:46from the public right of way.

5:23:48So right now there's a distinction made,

5:23:51but I think that's something we're already looking at.

5:23:54Does that help clarify?

5:23:55Yes, and I would appreciate that clarity

5:23:59in the September report.

5:24:01And then do you have one more?

5:24:05With regard to the incentives coming back in September,

5:24:08could you just describe what the process will be?

5:24:10Will the proposed incentives include a budget,

5:24:15and then will that budget be subsequently integrated

5:24:19in the next budgeting process?

5:24:20What would be the, what's the process for that?

5:24:25Through the Merit to Counselor class.

5:24:26And in September, it's staff's intention

5:24:29to bring forward a heritage grant program proposal

5:24:33that we will seek your direction to pursue and develop.

5:24:37So we will not be bringing forward

5:24:39the specific budget request at that time.

5:24:46That wouldn't occur until the next multi-year budget.

5:24:51Okay, thank you.

5:24:52So then that would be in 2027, eight?

5:24:592028.

5:25:00Okay, thank you.

5:25:03Thank you.

5:25:04Coran, I think I had next, and then I have Gawr.

5:25:08Great, thank you.

5:25:08The body of work here is incredible,

5:25:10and it's been a long time coming.

5:25:11So thank you to staff.

5:25:13Thank you to the whole team that put this plan together.

5:25:17One of the things that is unique

5:25:19about this particular Heritage Conservation District

5:25:22is the industrial and residential interface.

5:25:25And one of the delegates asked about returning potential,

5:25:29you know, a shoemaker shop into,

5:25:31back into a shoemaker shop,

5:25:32and industrial and commercial uses being reintegrated

5:25:36into properties that have been converted to residential.

5:25:39So I wonder if you could speak to, you know,

5:25:42whether that is going to be incorporated into the plan

5:25:45as a mixed use or a zoning recommendation.

5:25:49And then part two of that is that industrial architectural

5:25:52form, I know often in Heritage Conservation Districts,

5:25:55we're trying to identify a singular architectural form

5:26:00like Victorian or Edwardian or, you know, Regency Cottage.

5:26:05And in this neighborhood, that's just impossible.

5:26:08But one of the architectural forms that you've highlighted

5:26:11in many of the examples that you've given

5:26:12is that kind of industrial,

5:26:14and I believe the Biltmore Towns Development

5:26:18tried to put an industrial design into the townhouses

5:26:22where the old Biltmore Hats was,

5:26:23which I thought was an homage to that industrial form.

5:26:27So I wonder, you know,

5:26:30the variety and diversity of architectural forms

5:26:33that would be permitted in terms of new development.

5:26:41Through the mayor to Councillor Caron.

5:26:44That's your first question.

5:26:46The planning does not contradict the zoning bylaw.

5:26:51However, it encourages flexibility for zoning bylaw amendments

5:26:58or variance requests in terms of commercial uses,

5:27:02especially in historic commercial spaces.

5:27:06As mentioned, these exist throughout the ward

5:27:09and we wanted to create a plan

5:27:10that would encourage that type of small business revitalization.

5:27:16As to your second question,

5:27:18the plan intentionally defines compatibility broadly.

5:27:23We believe that an applicant should be able to be creative

5:27:28and how they believe that a new development

5:27:31may fit into the neighborhood.

5:27:32That's why we aren't too prescriptive

5:27:34with wanting new development

5:27:36to specifically emulate industrial forms or certain materials.

5:27:43We want to look to proponents to tell us

5:27:46how a new development may be compatible.

5:27:50And this isn't something that I want to come back

5:27:53when it comes back in September,

5:27:55but it's more of a community buy-in conversation

5:27:58because it's very clear in the plan

5:28:01that this is not intended in turning the ward

5:28:04into a museum frozen in time.

5:28:06It is a planning tool to guide change.

5:28:09But I think that the community,

5:28:11and thankfully we have enough experience now in Guelph

5:28:15and high satisfaction rates

5:28:17with our very first Heritage Conservation District

5:28:20in Brooklyn and the College Hill.

5:28:21I believe it was 85% satisfied

5:28:25and 41% of that was very satisfied

5:28:28with our first conservation district.

5:28:30So the impression that it's owner

5:28:36or that insurance will go up,

5:28:38I know you've done a lot of work

5:28:40to make sure that those assumptions

5:28:42and those stereotypes have broken down.

5:28:45And I know that's not part of the conservation district tool,

5:28:48but I want to give you an opportunity to speak to that

5:28:52because community buy-in is something

5:28:55that's very important for this plan to be successful.

5:28:58So if you could just take a moment

5:28:59and talk about satisfaction rates,

5:29:04the insurance issue and reassuring the community

5:29:08that this is not an onerous process

5:29:12that is trying to freeze that district in time as a museum.

5:29:21Through the mayor, something we heard again and again

5:29:25from the community was that, yes,

5:29:27they really want the historic landscapes

5:29:30and buildings protected,

5:29:32but they wanted also a high degree of flexibility

5:29:36to make changes that sometimes

5:29:38might be kind of creative and weird.

5:29:41And we didn't want to stop that type of artistic expression

5:29:46in the neighborhood that has existed for decades,

5:29:50which is why we aren't very prescriptive in the plan

5:29:53as well as the vast majority of alterations

5:29:57that a property owner might make

5:29:59are actually exempt from the heritage permit process.

5:30:03We also have expanded what permits are approvable

5:30:08at the staff level so that heritage permits

5:30:11can be more expedient than they have been historically.

5:30:14So we were really trying to streamline this plan

5:30:20as much as possible and make sure that property owners

5:30:23had a high degree of latitude

5:30:24to make changes to their properties,

5:30:25while also making a plan that would be able

5:30:29to protect a property if loss were contemplated.

5:30:34As to the insurance issue,

5:30:35we have included a statement on insurance,

5:30:39just outlining that designation does not increase risk

5:30:43and that in the case of full or partial loss,

5:30:47property does not have to be reconstructed as it was.

5:30:50And so far this has suffice to help many property owners

5:30:56of designated properties.

5:31:00Fight increased insurance.

5:31:02Thank you for that.

5:31:03And my final comment is it's really nice to know

5:31:05that weird is welcome in Ward West.

5:31:08Say that five times fast

5:31:10and to our weird counselor over there.

5:31:13Thank you.

5:31:15All right, thank you.

5:31:17And I have counselor call or is my last, so go ahead.

5:31:20Thank you and through your worship to staff.

5:31:22Thank you so much for all this work.

5:31:25I want to refer to the letter from a resident,

5:31:29Robert Cardoran, who wrote,

5:31:33he had a couple of concerns with regards to the policy

5:31:37that discourages a full story edition.

5:31:42Could you help me understand as I walk through the world,

5:31:44I noticed a lot of additions, different kinds

5:31:47and many are our second story editions.

5:31:50And I really appreciate that there's an emphasis

5:31:53on accepting the weirdness of the community.

5:31:56So, but I feel that there's a bit of a disconnect

5:31:58when we're saying we appreciate the weirdness

5:32:01and the oddities, but we don't want any more of that to happen.

5:32:06So could you help me understand that restriction?

5:32:11Through the mayor to counselor,

5:32:12I'll begin to answer that

5:32:14and I may invite Rebecca to jump in.

5:32:19Subordinate additions to heritage buildings

5:32:22or is heritage conservation best practice?

5:32:24However, we did not want to make that a policy.

5:32:27Again, that is phrased, we use the word should

5:32:31just as a general best practice

5:32:33for property owners to consider,

5:32:34but it's not something that would be enforceable

5:32:38in the plan.

5:32:39And additionally, I was really thankful

5:32:42for that letter specifically.

5:32:43It's helpful when property owners come to us

5:32:45with a specific project,

5:32:47because it lets us think about how the plan

5:32:49may actually be applied.

5:32:51And so we've been discussing expanding exemptions

5:32:55for ADUs and additions,

5:32:58just because of if a property owner

5:32:59is retaining a heritage building,

5:33:02there are very few circumstances

5:33:04where we might actually want to refuse a permit.

5:33:08And for context too, in my four years here

5:33:11as a heritage planner, I have never once refused

5:33:14a heritage permit.

5:33:15We always work with property owners

5:33:17to find a solution that works for both them

5:33:20and the heritage property.

5:33:21Okay, that is really reassuring.

5:33:23I really appreciate that.

5:33:25One of the other comments on that letter

5:33:27refers to the tables where it says minor or exempt,

5:33:31will there be an opportunity to include

5:33:33somewhere in the plan,

5:33:35so that people know whether they're looking

5:33:37at an exemption or a minor?

5:33:43Through the mayor.

5:33:44We included that minor or exempt

5:33:48because we wanted again, flexibility in the plan,

5:33:51but we recognize that the letter pointed out

5:33:53that creates a lack of clarity.

5:33:55And so we're discussing possibly expanding

5:33:59what might be exempt in the plan

5:34:01and we'll look to include that in the plan

5:34:04that we bring forward in September.

5:34:06Okay, I really appreciate that.

5:34:08And just to follow up on some of the other comments

5:34:10about ADUs, I think hopefully we can allow them

5:34:15and we can provide some guidelines of,

5:34:17if you do want to have a side yard ADU,

5:34:20these are some of the things that you should do,

5:34:21so it fits in the neighborhood.

5:34:23Thank you.

5:34:24Thank you, worship.

5:34:25Thank you.

5:34:26And then Councillor Keaton, please.

5:34:30Thank you, through you, Mr. Mayor.

5:34:32I really like it.

5:34:33I agree with some of the comments about ADUs.

5:34:35I also think that there's not a lot of lot sizes

5:34:38that are quite big enough for extensive ADUs in the ward,

5:34:43but I think it was a challenging ask

5:34:45because the ward doesn't really have

5:34:46a uniform heritage profile.

5:34:50It's more of a vibe.

5:34:52So I think that you did a really good job

5:34:54in balancing that, and I look forward

5:34:56to seeing the next iteration.

5:35:02Great, thank you.

5:35:03Is there anything else before I call the vote?

5:35:06There's not, okay, so you just get

5:35:07a little bit of questions from me,

5:35:09and then you'll get my opinions based on your answers.

5:35:13Lucky you.

5:35:16You mentioned the street wall rhythm, very unique.

5:35:23My concern about that, and please correct me if I'm wrong,

5:35:28but the way I heard you say it is that you were

5:35:30encouraging that, but then you're gonna have,

5:35:34you're gonna pick winners and losers then

5:35:36for who can build ADUs in their backyards.

5:35:41Because if you're pushing some property back,

5:35:44now you're restricting the ability for them

5:35:46to potentially do a tiny home in their backyard.

5:35:50So I'm just wondering how are you allowing someone

5:35:54to have their, there's upfront,

5:35:56and then they have the ability to have more units built,

5:35:59and then three houses down because of the rhythm,

5:36:02and I'm a drummer, so I love rhythm, so don't get me wrong.

5:36:05But now that house might not have the room

5:36:07to be able to build that ADU.

5:36:09How are you, am I saying that wrong?

5:36:13No, I'm not, okay.

5:36:14Is that just a takeaway for you to consider then?

5:36:19Well, to you, Mr. Mayor, not through you.

5:36:24The wall with them, it really speaks to

5:36:28the different conditions that you find

5:36:30across any given street.

5:36:33So it's once again in that attempt to not

5:36:36encase restrictive setbacks to create a uniform,

5:36:42more cookie-cutter environment or a street scape.

5:36:45So it respects the setbacks back and forward,

5:36:49and it introduces that rhythm.

5:36:52However, it's up to the performer that comes forward

5:36:57to put forward their design solutions.

5:37:02So for example, if it's not contributing,

5:37:05they may want to push forward the building

5:37:10in a way that also fits the wall,

5:37:12but allows them to build in the back.

5:37:14So it's an attempt to provide that flexibility,

5:37:19but not prescribing a specific rhythm to a particular lot.

5:37:25So you are the one that throws the short straw

5:37:28and get pushed into the back.

5:37:31So it's more of a principle on how you conserve

5:37:34or preserve that rhythm in any given streetscape.

5:37:38You don't get everybody at the same closeness

5:37:41or everybody at the same setback.

5:37:43Okay, okay.

5:37:46Yeah, I think you've answered that well for me

5:37:50to give me some comfort there.

5:37:53Sorry, Krista, did you want to jump in as well?

5:37:56Yeah, sorry, I was just going to add, Mr. Mayor,

5:37:57that it is encouraged.

5:37:59So certainly when an application came in

5:38:01on any development, we would take a look at it

5:38:03and to see if there is the lot depth for an AD or not.

5:38:06We obviously don't want to preclude that from happening.

5:38:09So the way it is written is encouraged as well.

5:38:12I appreciate that too.

5:38:13Okay, thank you.

5:38:16My next question was just about

5:38:21contributing versus non-contributing.

5:38:23So please correct me again if I'm wrong,

5:38:27but if you have a non-contributing site

5:38:32and someone just wants to build a brand new home there,

5:38:36it could be like, it could be a modern looking home

5:38:39like in today's modern design,

5:38:42they could just go ahead and do that.

5:38:44Yes, I'm shaking my pants, okay.

5:38:47But I'm just setting up my question.

5:38:51But if the neighbor has across the street,

5:38:57oh no, let's say the neighbor is a contributing

5:39:01piece of land or property,

5:39:05they would have to adhere to all of these rules.

5:39:10So I'm a little bit,

5:39:13it's feeling like a little bit of big government to me.

5:39:16I like this, don't get me wrong,

5:39:18but I don't like big government.

5:39:21So can you help me feel a bit better about that?

5:39:25Through the mayor, I can.

5:39:28So I'm just gonna step back to the first part

5:39:32of your question about non-contributing properties.

5:39:34So scenario, non-contributing property proposes a new build.

5:39:39A heritage permit would be required for that new build.

5:39:44And the policies that are presented in the plan

5:39:51are quite broad in nature.

5:39:54And don't say that it needs to conform to a certain style,

5:39:58it doesn't need to look old,

5:39:59but it does need to respond to the context

5:40:03in which it's in, it needs to fit.

5:40:05So there is a process for non-contributing properties.

5:40:10There's a chapter 11 in the plan,

5:40:15provides all of that guidance for how do you do

5:40:17new good development that fits well in the ward.

5:40:21And then chapter 10 is how do you keep on adapting

5:40:26the existing heritage buildings

5:40:28contributing properties in the ward?

5:40:29So there are two kind of frameworks in place within the plan.

5:40:35Both are very flexible.

5:40:38And permissive in their structure.

5:40:45So it's not heavy-handed and it cuts both ways.

5:40:51So it's not like just because you have an old building

5:40:54you're the only one that has to follow some rules.

5:40:56The whole idea here is everyone needs to be adapting

5:41:01and shaping and introducing new development in a way

5:41:04that fits with this place and keeps it weird.

5:41:09So I'll leave it there, hope that helps clarify.

5:41:12No, you're, you're, you're helping me.

5:41:14I'm open-minded, it's good.

5:41:16Yeah, so I guess where I'm a little,

5:41:19I'm just still having a little bit of friction on this.

5:41:21And at Councillor Gullar with us talking,

5:41:23kind of brought it up a little bit is that

5:41:25the non-contributing lot or house can sort of be

5:41:31somewhat flexible and weird and have two stories.

5:41:35But the contributing one isn't allowed to have a second story.

5:41:38Well, I'm sorry, I exaggerated that.

5:41:40It can't have the, like, you're gonna push back

5:41:44on a second story like that.

5:41:46Not that it's not allowed, but you're gonna push back.

5:41:49So, you know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to be fair

5:41:52about those that are there and those that are coming.

5:41:56That's just a comment.

5:41:57You could just take that away as you,

5:41:58this is a draft, you're here to listen to comments.

5:42:01So that's fine.

5:42:02My last comment on a takeaway is on the ADUs

5:42:07that you can see from the street.

5:42:09I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't want you,

5:42:14I don't want government to be involved in that.

5:42:16Okay, so that's just my opinion on that.

5:42:19I do not want government to be involved in that at all.

5:42:21If someone is building an ADU in their backyard

5:42:23and it's gonna look a little bit different,

5:42:25like just let them build the ADU.

5:42:27I don't want to add more costs to those

5:42:30that are doing that.

5:42:31The front facing, like the primary property,

5:42:34I totally understand that.

5:42:35If they're building something new in the backyard,

5:42:37just let them build something new in the backyard.

5:42:38I want more housing, I don't want that.

5:42:40That's just my opinion on that, okay?

5:42:43And then finally, I'm really glad, sorry, Councillor Caron

5:42:46brought up sort of the percentages of, like,

5:42:48you know, people are satisfied with sort of how

5:42:50hair, disjusures are going and stuff like that.

5:42:52I've referenced that before in the past too.

5:42:55Can I just ask from a process point of view,

5:42:57is there actually like an exit interview

5:43:00from people that are interacting with our planning staff

5:43:04and our heritage staff in regards to this

5:43:07that will be captured for this one if it's approved?

5:43:12To add to what's being captured in the other ones

5:43:15so that we're gonna get more data

5:43:17about sort of satisfaction rate

5:43:18and what's working well and what's not?

5:43:24To the mayor, that satisfaction survey,

5:43:27that was a council direction when Brooklyn and College Hill

5:43:30was designated that we do that.

5:43:33And that's something we can take away

5:43:36and look at doing again now that we have

5:43:38two more new heritage districts and possibly a third,

5:43:41that would be a useful exercise.

5:43:44I would appreciate that.

5:43:47Nothing that matters for me anymore,

5:43:48but for whoever the next term of council is,

5:43:50they, I'm sure they would appreciate that.

5:43:53And to be honest with you, it's good for us to hear,

5:43:55it's good for the public to hear.

5:43:57I think it's good for you to hear.

5:43:58I think it's good for staff to hear.

5:44:00What is our interaction with the public working well,

5:44:02not working well from a customer service point of view?

5:44:05That's good data and good feedback for you

5:44:07just as much as it is for council and for the public too.

5:44:10So, okay, other than that,

5:44:12my only comment as a, no, not question, but a comment

5:44:16is one of the things, I hope I'm not gonna get in trouble here,

5:44:21but I'm talking like 30 years ago or whatever,

5:44:25more than that, there was like,

5:44:28and I apologize if it was just who I was growing up with,

5:44:30like there was like a stigma about the ward,

5:44:33like, oh, you lived in the ward.

5:44:35You lived in that area of the city.

5:44:37Now, when I talk to people nowadays,

5:44:40it's like, I got a place in the ward.

5:44:43Like, no, it's totally changed.

5:44:45100%, it's a complete 180 from the way,

5:44:49it used to kind of be talked about to the way,

5:44:50so I totally understand why we want to do the things

5:44:55that you've captured here very well, might I add.

5:44:58And so, it is really like one of the places in Guelph.

5:45:03It truly is.

5:45:05And so, keeping that character and that heritage,

5:45:06I'm fully for that, as long as sort of the big brother,

5:45:10big government thing doesn't go too much,

5:45:13which I think you're taking away as a comment

5:45:14and we'll see how it comes back.

5:45:16So, I appreciate my final comments on my opinions on that.

5:45:20I did see another hand go up here though as a final comment.

5:45:23Okay, Councillor Goller, then I'm gonna call the vote.

5:45:25Thank you through your worship.

5:45:26Just going back to the delegate,

5:45:28I wanted to take a moment to ask,

5:45:29will there be an opportunity to encourage corner stores

5:45:32and those sort of small businesses to come back

5:45:34as part of this, or would that be discouraged

5:45:37through this plan?

5:45:41Through the mayor to Councillor Goller,

5:45:44there are some policies in the plan at present

5:45:47that speak to particularly in certain locations,

5:45:53bringing those historical uses back.

5:45:58At the same time, there are also policies

5:46:00that provide flexibility,

5:46:02that the history of conversions,

5:46:06of going from residential to commercial or back again,

5:46:09is very much welcome.

5:46:10So, not requiring it, but creating space for it is there.

5:46:16Perfect, thank you so much.

5:46:17Thank you, worship.

5:46:18Thank you, and you know what, you're reminding me in council,

5:46:21we kind of made a nod to the delegate that came up,

5:46:23and I didn't, no one asked the question,

5:46:25so I'm gonna ask.

5:46:26We've talked a little bit about the incentives,

5:46:28it's coming in September, things like that,

5:46:30that we'll talk about.

5:46:31You asked that question about budget, things like that.

5:46:34But the other part of that gentleman's question

5:46:35was about the teeth, the regulatory role,

5:46:38like how can you just answer that question publicly

5:46:41before I call the vote?

5:46:45Through the mayor, so this is like the heritage

5:46:47conservation district that is not

5:46:49a zoning bylaw amendment, so I want to make that clear.

5:46:51It's part of our OP work that we're doing,

5:46:53so we brought phase one forward.

5:46:55The second phase is the employment lands,

5:46:57the third phase will include the commercial land use analysis

5:47:00as well, but that's a couple of years out.

5:47:05Okay, let me rephrase the question,

5:47:06I believe the delegate was asking about sort of the teeth,

5:47:11the regulatory framework for making sure things

5:47:15are actually being followed through on within the plan.

5:47:21So is there something that is there within the plan

5:47:26that gives more authority to see things through

5:47:29that need to be, there's a lot of shell

5:47:32or a lot of encouragement at wording,

5:47:35but are there things that are going to protect,

5:47:38I think is where the delegate was going?

5:47:43To the mayor, as we've mentioned,

5:47:46we wanted to give a lot of flexibility to the plan,

5:47:50but it is worded in such a way that we will be able

5:47:54to prevent loss if it is proposed,

5:47:57so we would be able to deny a demolition application

5:48:01for a significant heritage building,

5:48:03were that to come forward?

5:48:06I think we just needed to capture that just

5:48:08for the delegate, so yeah.

5:48:12Okay, that's it, then we're gonna look to vote now

5:48:15of council to receive, and thank you for listening

5:48:18to all the feedback, appreciate it.

5:48:20Is there anybody against?

5:48:24Nobody, that's unanimous,

5:48:25so thank you again for your work, okay?

5:48:27Moving right along, we are at the