Staff to maintain an active, internal tracking registry of the approximately 200 streets that were previously scheduled for review under traffic calming, but do not qualify for the 25 prioritized locations under the updated 2026 Traffic Calming Policy. And that staff be directed to…

53:15Uh, they were at the last meeting so I am not 100 sure if they were sent to you or not. Uh

53:23I'm guessing since I said you're asking that question

53:26Yeah, yeah, I'm guessing since you're asking that question that they were not

53:37So just to confirm just because we had a little conversation there

53:39We believe that they are in the the the last attachment for you. Okay

53:43Yep, and and uh staff kind of nodding their head in agreement. Yes staff are nodding nodding their head in agreement. Okay

53:51Okay, seeing nothing further. Thanks dean. Have a great night

53:54Okay, we have two other delegations and one will be in person and one will be by video and in person

54:00No stranger to here is morgan dandy. So come on up morgan

54:08And again, uh, morgan knows this but I just have to say it out loud

54:12No more than five minutes and you'll hear the chime at the four minute 30 second mark

54:17Uh, just to give a little bit of a heads up warning that the

54:21Uh 30 seconds is coming up soon before the microphone is turned off at that mark. Okay, so over to you morgan whenever you're ready

54:29Good evening mayor counselors staff and fellow guelphites. My name is morgan dandy

54:34I'm an older adult with a dynamic disability

54:39A disability that has fundamentally changed how I move around the city

54:45in 2020

54:47I chose to divest myself of a personal

54:50car ownership

54:51And return to using public transit as my main form of transportation

54:58As this disability has progressed

55:01It became necessary for me to begin using the guelph mobility transit system

55:07Now that i've been using the mobility service for over a year my perspective

55:12On the potential harms caused by speed cushions

55:16has been expanded

55:20Writing on mobility transit has allowed me to meet people who have many different types of disability

55:27When it comes to speed cushions

55:30Those of us with disabilities disabilities that cause spontaneous

55:35Subluxations and dislocations

55:38Are most susceptible

55:40To harm and injury

55:43I know that the accessibility advisory committee had voted against speed cushions in the past

55:50And I was happy to hear that staff had provided this iteration of the aac

55:55With outcomes of studies performed

55:58To the transportation guidelines

56:02Unfortunately that happiness was quickly overshadowed by concern when councillor Caton and formed everyone

56:10That accessibility standards canada

56:13The organization with the mandate to one develop accessibility standards

56:19two

56:20Advanced accessibility research and three

56:23share information related to accessibility

56:27Was formed after the transportation guidelines were developed

56:33This means those guidelines used by staff to provide data to the aac

56:38Were not reviewed and approved by actual accessibility standards

56:45But did the aac know this?

56:48And if they were unaware the method used to provide the data upon which they based their decision was

56:55Unvetted by the federal body with the mandate to do so

56:59With that awareness

57:01Would the vote remain the same?

57:04I was very glad to just hear that the aac does not want cushions to be the default

57:14Council as a mobility service writer. I have seen the discomfort and pain some users experience with just a plot hole

57:25As a community member I have spoken with people concerned about their personal safety having to navigate speed cushions

57:34As a pedestrian

57:36I know traffic calming is needed if we are ever to reach our vision zero goals

57:44If vision zero goals are to be met they should be met without causing unintentional harms

57:50Since the transportation guidelines have not been vetted by accessibility standards canada and we have at least some

57:57Dotal evidence that those guidelines are inadequate when providing data about speed cushions

58:04I ask you council to err on the side of caution and to provide the greatest protection

58:10For those members of our community with disabilities that are harmed by the current design of speed cushions

58:16By removing speed cushions as an option for traffic calming until such time

58:22As adequately vetted guidelines have been established to ensure

58:27We are not causing

58:30unintentional harms

58:32through our infrastructure

58:34Thank you

58:36Thank you morgan is there any follow-up question at this time for morgan?

58:40There is not thank you very much appreciate it and then again now joining us by video

58:45We're going to have a laura lie root

58:54Hello, i'm having some trouble with my video, but can you hear me?

58:58Yes, we can hear you perfectly. So no problem. We'll uh, we'll start uh

59:03Your timing as soon as you start okay go right ahead

59:07Thanks so much. Good evening mayor and council

59:09My name is laura lie root and i'm here today to speak against the implementation of speed cushions as a traffic calming measure

59:16And to urge the city to prioritize alternatives that do not cause harm to disabled residents like myself

59:21I want to start by reminding everyone that disabled people are not a monolith

59:25So there may be some disabled people who are fine with speed cushions

59:28But that doesn't mean they're safe or accessible for all disabled people. It just means that they're not harmful to those individuals

59:35I'm one of the people that they are are harmful to

59:38Going over speed cushions or as many of us know them speed bumps

59:42Causes me real physical pain and can aggravate my injuries or even permanently worsen my level of disability

59:48Many others with disabilities experience the same thing

59:52There's also a financial impact to disabled individuals trying to navigate a city that uses a lot of speed cushions that often gets overlooked in this conversation

1:00:00Many disabled people like myself are no longer able to drive and avoiding speed cushions isn't simple for people like me

1:00:08Uber drivers, for example, are encouraged by uber to follow the gps routes that they're given and can refuse alternate directions

1:00:15Directions and in my experience, they usually do refuse alternate directions

1:00:20That means that i'm forced to choose between going over a speed cushion that will hurt my body

1:00:25Or canceling the uber ride at my own expense

1:00:28Getting out and ordering a new uber at my own expense and hoping that when they show up

1:00:32They're willing to take me an alternate way or the cost continues to increase until i get matched with the driver willing to take me

1:00:38An alternate route cab drivers can also refuse alternate routes and they often do when they're busy

1:00:44But even when they don't rerouting increases distance, which then increases cost

1:00:49Disabled people are required to pay more and spend more time in order to avoid infrastructure that hurts us

1:00:56And in all of these scenarios, we are required to know where every single speed cushion in the city is in order to instruct drivers

1:01:02On how to avoid them, which is also not realistic or fair

1:01:07This is what inaccessible design looks like in practice

1:01:09It creates barriers and then it shifts the burden on to disabled people to adapt and create systems to work around these designs

1:01:17That weren't built with us in mind

1:01:19So before implementing speed cushions this time, i'm asking you to please pause and consider some of the many other traffic calming measures that don't cause harm

1:01:27I want to share an anecdote with you from my time on the accessibility advisory committee

1:01:32At my very first meeting i witnessed an impassioned discussion about speed cushions and the ways that they harm disabled people

1:01:39It was then explained to me that even before i joined the aac the city had already made a commitment to only implement speed cushions when they're absolutely necessary

1:01:47After first trying other traffic calming measures because they recognized the harm that speed cushions do to disabled individuals

1:01:54And yet over the nearly decade that i served on the aac speed cushions were regularly brought up to us as the first traffic calming solution

1:02:03And there was not a single time that they were not met with strong opposition from aac members

1:02:08We never once voted yes to speed cushions. They were still implemented every single time we were asked about them

1:02:14But we always said, please don't do it

1:02:17This includes the time that we were asked to try out the newly designed speed cushions on starwood

1:02:22Which the city claimed would not harm us and yet those speed cushions did still cause harm to every member who tried them and we still did voice opposition to them

1:02:31That repeated bringing forward of speed cushions even after the committee had been told they'd be minimized or avoided

1:02:36Is part of a larger pattern of systemic barriers that i've seen with the city of guelph

1:02:42Last year when the entire aac resigned in protest of this as well as many other examples of accessibility concerns being raised

1:02:49Acknowledged and then not meaningfully acted on i had really hoped that that would be a turning point for the city on the way they engage with

1:02:57Accessibility needs, but this discussion feels like an extension of the same long-standing pattern

1:03:01And when looking at this pattern, I can't help but feel that the current system creates only the illusion of meaningful engagement

1:03:08And that's really unfortunate

1:03:10Continuing to implement speed cushions despite knowing they harm some of us is a choice that disproportionately impacts some of the most vulnerable people in this city

1:03:18And it's also quite frankly a decision that opens the city up to massive risk

1:03:23Because knowingly implementing infrastructure that causes harm after being clearly told for over a decade about that harm

1:03:29More than meets the requirements for a complaint through the ontario human rights commission

1:03:34I know that for a fact because i've inquired directly about specifically this issue

1:03:39It likely also serves her grounds or as grounds for further legal action as well. So

1:03:45In closing, i'm not saying traffic calming isn't needed

1:03:48I'm just asking you to examine which methods we choose to prioritize and who those choices impact

1:03:54I'm happy to provide a list of alternate methods that when I was on the aac we pushed for

1:03:58But I know the city's already aware of them and in the interest of time

1:04:02I'll just end here with a reminder that if a safety measure makes the city more dangerous to some of us

1:04:07Especially when there are other options available. It really can't be considered a safety measure at all. Thank you

1:04:15Okay, thank you very much for your delegation. And is there any follow-up for loralei?

1:04:20There is not so oh, there is one. Sorry. Stay with me. Councillor Billings has a question

1:04:26Thank you through you your worship. I just wanted to ask you loralei like for example

1:04:32I have chronic pain and I I don't find that speed tables

1:04:36Are nearly as painful. So I was just wondering if speed tables were more acceptable

1:04:43For you

1:04:48Through you mericot 3 2 uh, councillor Billings. Was it councillor billings? I'm sorry. I missed who asked. Yes

1:04:54Through you mericot 3 to councillor billings. Uh, yes, I find I personally find speed tables

1:05:01More uh, like less less uh, painful

1:05:06For my disability, but I'm not sure what other folks think that was one of the beautiful things about

1:05:11The aac is that there are so many people with so many different lived experiences

1:05:15that we were able to kind of collaborate and

1:05:18Try to cover the needs of the uh, the most marginalized amongst us

1:05:23So I'm not 100 sure if they are for everyone

1:05:27And I'm also not 100 sure that when you're saying speed tables we're thinking about the same things because there's so much different language that the city uses

1:05:34A lot of what the city calls cushions

1:05:36We we refer to as speed bumps and then we were told that there was a speed table on starwood

1:05:43But if that's what a speed table is what's on starwood, then no that is still very painful for me personally

1:05:49Okay, so through your worship just to be clear the speed tables

1:05:53Are are raised and they have a flat top section

1:05:58So that the wheel base of the vehicle is entirely on the flat surface and then comes down

1:06:05So is that right thinking?

1:06:07No, um, I do know that any vertical measures are

1:06:11Usually not preferred by disabled individuals. So we much prefer to see

1:06:17other tried and true

1:06:20Kind of measures that don't physically harm people like road narrowing or curb extensions or chicanning or

1:06:26raised intersections or a lot of signage or

1:06:29Allowing street parking on both or alternating sides of the street

1:06:33But any vertical measures do have the potential to cause pain

1:06:36And especially if you aren't the person driving like a lot of people think well

1:06:41I'll just slow down and be really gentle when I go over a speed table for example

1:06:45And that won't hurt me as much but but we often aren't the people driving our own cars

1:06:50Sometimes it's an uber driver who's in a hurry, you know, okay. Thank you

1:06:54Thanks

1:06:56Okay, and I see nothing further. So thank you very much for joining us

1:07:01Thank you

1:07:03Okay, and we do have correspondence as well that was submitted

1:07:07um, so with that

1:07:09I think uh, it'd be best to

1:07:12At least have the recommendation tabled and then after that I'm aware of a couple of of um

1:07:20kind of motions in regards to this and I will be going to councillor

1:07:26Katen first and then to you councillor Goller as well

1:07:30But um, can I have someone at least put the thing down to approve? Okay galler and

1:07:36And clausen will move in second

1:07:39Which is the recommendation that flowed from the committee

1:07:43Of the traffic calming policy

1:07:462026 update

1:07:47included as attachment one to the report titled traffic calming policy update for April 7th, 2026 be approved

1:07:55So with that, let me turn it over to councillor Caton, please

1:08:03Thank you. Can you put the motion back up so I can read it, please

1:08:10Um, the original one just from committee or yours. Don't mind please. Okay. That's okay. We just need to know which one it was

1:08:18So the one that she provided

1:08:28Okay, go ahead councillor Caton

1:08:30Thank you

1:08:32Bear with me with my multiple part processor

1:08:35So this is my my first motion

1:08:38that the use of speed cushions be removed from the traffic calming policy

1:08:43included as attachment one to report

1:08:462026-129

1:08:49and

1:08:52And councillor billings will second that and just so everyone knows this will be treated as an amendment. Okay

1:08:58um, and I've conferred with the clerks there so the reason being is because

1:09:03You know, depending on maybe what is amended a little bit here may determine what someone might vote for on the final approval

1:09:10Right, so I think it's only fair to treat these as amendments to what's on the floor

1:09:14So go ahead councillor Caton. Do you want to speak to it just before I call the vote on that one? Yes, please

1:09:20Uh, human rights for a lot of groups within canada have not existed for a very long time

1:09:26In the context of disability human rights plans are supposed to be updated to reflect our understanding of the barriers and potential harm

1:09:32caused behind them

1:09:33I've watched the province ignore two reviews of the aoda that called for emissions to be added

1:09:38And we're in the infancy of implementing the accessible canada act due to be completed in 2040

1:09:44I appreciate the work of the current aac and their view and their review of this document

1:09:49And there are more types of disabilities than there are seats on that committee

1:09:53And each aac is a snapshot of a percentage of the disability community

1:09:57it's impossible for any iteration of the aac to

1:10:01capture all of the issues that the disability community can face

1:10:05We're fortunate in that we have a decade of different aac's who've discussed speed bumps humps and cushions

1:10:10To lean on and members of council who are also affected by them to consider when we make this decision

1:10:16Thanks to staff for adding the information with the historical views on this topic

1:10:20That show most iterations of the aac have been

1:10:23Firmly against and thanks to our vice chair of the current aac for confirming they consider it a last resort option

1:10:30Speed cushions on the roads and in bike lanes are a barrier for access for some people in our community. They cause injuries

1:10:37This motion does not say

1:10:40To not implement traffic calming measures. It says to pick something else

1:10:45From the toolbox that staff have provided because we recognize that speed cushions harm some people

1:10:52And our goal of preventing harm cannot be met with a tool that hurts disabled people

1:10:59Thank you

1:11:01Great. Thank you very much. So just a few questions now. I saw some hands go up

1:11:07To our staff and remember everyone just kind of stick to what the amendment that's on the floor

1:11:11Okay, so I'll start with karan and then I saw the downer as well and then I saw a couple over here

1:11:17I'll start moving around. Okay, so we'll go karan and then downer. Okay, great. Thank you. Mr.

1:11:21Marin. It's a question. I guess to the mover and to our staff

1:11:25We've heard different definitions of speed cushions speed tables speed humps speed bumps

1:11:31I want to make sure that speed cushions is something that we all fully understand the definition of

1:11:36So if maybe the mover could start and then I could ask our traffic staff

1:11:42So the the name for them. I think it's just morphed over time and from my understanding

1:11:49The speed tables are a separate issue and that's kind of more like a raised crosswalk kind of a broader situation

1:11:56And I think that's what they're referring to there and so it's it's hard to say without an image in front of you

1:12:01But anything that is like the the smaller

1:12:05And the stuff that's on starwood those are all considered the speed cushions

1:12:10But the speed speed tables are not is that correct? Okay. Thanks. I believe so. Is that our staff understanding as well?

1:12:18That's sorry

1:12:23You want to jump in just just turn your mic on and just jump in

1:12:27Okay, jump up jump up and get down here we go

1:12:30Um, so I appreciate the nomenclature around this is a bit wild

1:12:36So the speed cushion council katin is quite right. It's a relatively newer device

1:12:41They're the ones that kind of have the gap to minimize the impact to emergency services

1:12:46So they do not go across the whole width of the pavement if you think back to our older traffic calming like 2005 2006

1:12:56On like Arthur king queen

1:12:59exhibition

1:13:00Kathleen division that's a speed hump and that goes all the way across the entire width of the road

1:13:07So it impacts

1:13:09emergency services more than a speed

1:13:11cushion

1:13:13the speed table as we alluded to is

1:13:17Same thing you raise up, but essentially the whole wheelbase of the vehicle can be flat before it descends

1:13:23So it's a much longer device

1:13:27So you don't have that that abrupt jarring, but you still

1:13:32Obviously wouldn't want to

1:13:34Drive over that at a really high rate of speed. I hope that kind of clears up a few of the

1:13:39Terminologies it does that's really helpful because I don't want to take all the tools out of your toolbox

1:13:45But I also recognize that that we don't want to do harm to any particular

1:13:51group

1:13:52For accessibility reasons. So my follow-up question to that is

1:13:57visual

1:14:00I don't know how to pretend speed bumps

1:14:02So a sign that says speed bump coming and a visual image of a speed bump can also have

1:14:09significant effect of traffic calming without the actual vertical measure being installed and

1:14:16I'm just wondering if that is is that a tool in your toolbox or is that something that's

1:14:21We've removed the temporary speed bumps, but left signage there and

1:14:26I've seen people slow down in anticipation of a speed bump that's not there and I just wondered if that's

1:14:32in the toolbox

1:14:35Through the merit of councillor crown I

1:14:37it's

1:14:38It's not in the toolbox

1:14:40The we talked last time about the concept of sort of that visual art the fish in that that would be considered maybe a

1:14:47supplemental measure, but

1:14:49At this point we wouldn't plan for that to be our first go-to

1:14:53I just want to clarify one thing from before we we no longer recommend the use of speed humps. We only

1:15:00recommend sort of speed cushions of that type of device just to clarify that now downer, please

1:15:10Thank you three mr. Mayor. So you would still be doing the speed tables or the raised

1:15:16It crosswalks and those things and if with this this motion passed

1:15:20I

1:15:22Through the mayor to councillor downer and I'm pretty sure councillor capem looking from this

1:15:27Yes, those who longer sort of where it's not so abrupt. I believe

1:15:32Councillor capem was fine to leave those in I think this is specific for speed cushions

1:15:36Okay

1:15:37The second question is so given, you know the input we've had from council like how

1:15:44How do you think taking this out will impact the traffic calming policy?

1:15:49Uh through the mayor to councillor downer

1:15:53Staff don't support the motion to remove speed cushions

1:15:56From the traffic calming policy as doing so would significantly reduce our ability to meet road safety and vision zero goals

1:16:03Of preventing serious injuries and deaths among all road users

1:16:07Pedestrian cyclists and motorists alike the province has removed our most effective speed management tool

1:16:12Which was automated speed enforcement and that consistently demonstrated 20 reduction in driver speeds

1:16:18The data shows that speed cushions are the next most effective measure available

1:16:23Delivering average speed reductions of 15 percent

1:16:27Eliminating this tool would result in higher operating speeds

1:16:30Directly increasing the likelihood and severity of a collision and the risk of fatal outcome

1:16:36Staff have engaged transparently with the aac providing all previous correspondence and concerns related to vertical measures

1:16:43We've also consulted the transportation advisory committee and received unanimous support from civil civic circle participants

1:16:51To utilize the most effective traffic calming measures for reducing vehicle speeds including speed cushions

1:16:57For these reasons staff recommend retaining speed cushions as one of the 22 tools in the traffic calming policy

1:17:05To ensure the continued use of evidence-based data driven interventions that slow drivers down and restore safety to our streets

1:17:14So a follow-up so then what do we say to the people with disabilities that are are

1:17:21Are you know telling us that this is causing them pain?

1:17:27To make this like I understand. Yeah, so I just I understand it

1:17:30It's something we want to use right so right staff want want us to recommend to use but

1:17:36What how do we how do we?

1:17:39balance that I just

1:17:41so you

1:17:42through the

1:17:43Merida Councillor Downer you used

1:17:46Uh, what I think is the key word of the night?

1:17:49balance

1:17:50So again, it's it's one of 22 tools and we've we've heard the aac and at no point here if we said it's going to be our first

1:17:59Go-to it's an important tool for us to have

1:18:02So we rec we recognize that there's certain streets and certain road designs that it's it's very difficult

1:18:11to

1:18:13Sort of narrow the road if you I don't know if you're familiar with take ala street for instance

1:18:17We get a lot of concerns about ala street. It's six meters wide. There's a huge long section there where there's no intersections

1:18:25so

1:18:27There's really no other tool that's really

1:18:31Physically available to narrow the road. It's already as narrow as it can be so

1:18:36Again at no point here is a vertical measure a first and only resort

1:18:42It's just there are certain roads and certain conditions where it is the most effective tool

1:18:49to try to go drivers down

1:18:51So you wouldn't be using it as the default one as the current aacc has recommended

1:18:57That is correct. It's one of 22 tools

1:19:03Okay, thanks

1:19:05All right. Thank you. I got gore than clauson than gipson

1:19:10Are comments okay your worship

1:19:12Yep comments is fine just so we can get to the vote because I know there's others

1:19:16So I would like to try to get to the I mean, this is a kind of an inner out vote

1:19:20So let's let's get to comments if you want and we

1:19:23My questions were asked and thank you for staff for presenting that information. I think hearing that

1:19:28Speed cushions and speed tables are the the most effective tool

1:19:32I would not want to take that away from the toolbox because I am concerned that we would have a higher risk for loss of life

1:19:39If we were to take that tool away, so I will be

1:19:42voting against this motion. Thank you

1:19:45Okay, thank you and clauson please and then to gipson and then katin. Thank you. Mr.

1:19:49Mayor my questions were also answered

1:19:51Okay, thank you

1:19:53I'll go to actually I'll go to gipson and then chew

1:19:56And then to katin so that we can end with you counter katin since you're the one that moved the motion

1:20:01Okay, so uh, go ahead. Uh, gipson and then chew. Thank you

1:20:06through you, mr. Mayor to staff the this the subtle

1:20:09But important design change that's been made to speed bumps

1:20:13formally speed bumps now speed cushions is like you said the emergency services sort of

1:20:19Wheel well lane. I call it the wheel well area

1:20:23Is it is it by design that the emergency services can straddle the speed cushion?

1:20:30Because they have a water wider based car and therefore

1:20:33Eliminating the the the need to go over it. Can I just hit that from staff because it's kind of feeding into my rationale here

1:20:40Uh through the mayor to uh, council gipson

1:20:44That is the case they are designed

1:20:47that the wheel well

1:20:49with

1:20:50Would support those larger emergency vehicles that does not mean that they wouldn't necessarily slow down as they approach them

1:20:57Yeah, each driver is different each call is different

1:21:00And I think that's important just to to note that

1:21:04Yeah, that's fine. So I I understand the

1:21:07The concern and I've heard the concern about speed bumps that like the it's inevitable that you must go over that bump

1:21:13As you're traveling down the road, but with the new I mean, I've been on starwood many times the new design

1:21:19um, whether the driver or the passenger

1:21:23Wants to avoid the the impact of the speed cushion

1:21:27The the the the design of them does allow you to navigate

1:21:31And and only pass over one half of the car, right?

1:21:34So one half of the car will go over the cushion the other two wheels

1:21:39Be it the passenger or the driver doesn't need to take the force of that speed cushion

1:21:44So I'm obliged to um agree with staff that this is outside of the automated speed cameras. This is the most effective tool

1:21:51We have they do work

1:21:52We've seen them work on starwood is despite some

1:21:55Some opposition to them. They do work on starwood. It's become a much safer street

1:21:59And there's a lot of families in that area

1:22:01Um that do appreciate the the speed controls has taken place

1:22:05So I like the design of the speed humps

1:22:07I think it allows the driver or passenger to avoid the need to go over the impact

1:22:12And so I'll be voting against this motion

1:22:15Okay, thank you and chew and then I'll end with the the mover. Thank you

1:22:21Through you mr. Mayor, so I'm just trying to look at the application of my own ward and the applications that were on downy

1:22:29Will they be different if they're

1:22:33For the future installments of the speed cushions and future applications compared to what we

1:22:38currently see

1:22:42through the mayor to councillor chew

1:22:45Not substantially again downy is probably one of the wider roads. We would ever traffic calm so

1:22:54The standards have a set width for the cushion and then the spacing can vary slightly

1:22:59depending on the overall width of the road, but

1:23:03Fundamentally the device

1:23:05That's the shape and size of the device

1:23:09That should be installed in future it will look similar to that

1:23:13Okay, no, I appreciate that

1:23:16I've seen some improvements over the last couple years with the installment of the

1:23:21PxO, so I appreciate some of the work that's been done on downy. I just need to know

1:23:26Do you do you see a future application of

1:23:30like the speed

1:23:32what do you call it

1:23:34the speed tables

1:23:36Being replacing those speed cushions and like a downy for example and if you play down the road

1:23:45Through the mayor to councillor chew

1:23:48potentially

1:23:50Speed tables require a lot more infrastructure. It impacts drainage more

1:23:54Certainly on roads where you have driveways if we bring the level of the road up now

1:23:59You might not have drainage towards the road. So there's that's just

1:24:04A small nutshell of some of the many factors that go in

1:24:08On why we determine which device

1:24:10Is appropriate a speed table would be

1:24:14More applicable where you you have a longer stretch without driveways

1:24:19That would be a huge

1:24:21impact

1:24:22okay, um, is there a process for you guys to

1:24:26evaluate the effectiveness and efficacy of

1:24:29the existing installations of

1:24:33traffic calming measures and

1:24:34Like I'm not trying to pigeonhole you guys into looking at downy for example

1:24:38But I just need to know like with some of the existing speed cushions that are out there

1:24:43If there is a process in which you guys do have internally to evaluate

1:24:47the effectiveness of them

1:24:51Um through the mayor to councillor chew so we do before and after analyses on all of our traffic calming measures

1:24:57We've been able to implement a number of different tools. So not just vertical deflection like speed cushions

1:25:02We've also looked at center island medians curb extensions and flex posts

1:25:06I have some of that data here. So as I mentioned, we see the most effective reduction in speed with speed cushions at 15

1:25:13reduction in operating speed

1:25:16Where we have center island medians that's about an 11 reduction and then curb extensions

1:25:21So these are all horizontal deflections that you would drive around instead of drive over

1:25:25That has a reduction of about 8 percent in speeds comparatively

1:25:30Okay, and I guess just my comments

1:25:32I don't want to limit you guys and your tools because you guys are the experts and you guys do have

1:25:37I trust you in your discernment process for how you apply

1:25:41these future installments

1:25:43And and like we've had a pretty good back and forth as well. So I appreciate that candor from you guys

1:25:50I think my two senses like it's everything is context

1:25:53dependent in context sensitive and I do think we need to really hear what the community members are

1:25:59saying in terms of speed cushions because they are a very

1:26:02Coercive tool in my opinion from a user experience standpoint, especially if you're living on Downey Road

1:26:09where

1:26:10It's a lived experience every day. You have to go down that

1:26:13It's not the most pleasant of experiences. So I think the public needs to hear

1:26:18This feedback and perhaps we can continue the conversation down the road

1:26:22So that's just my two cents, but I appreciate the conversation. Okay. Thank you

1:26:26And just before I go to you uh, councillor caton as the mover councillor downer just had one follow-up question first, okay

1:26:33yes, so

1:26:36I hope this it's a little out of order this question, but

1:26:39We're we're talking about, you know traffic coming today and it's it's clear that

1:26:45We've we've missed something in the design of our our roads over the last

1:26:51I don't know 100 years

1:26:53And and as we're moving forward our

1:26:55Are we really like seriously taking traffic calming into effect in to designing new roads in in new areas?

1:27:04As we as we grow the city out and I'm not sure if it's a question for you or for mr. Gaiman, but

1:27:11Through the mayor to you councillor downer, uh, yes

1:27:15most definitely

1:27:16Traffic calming on all of our reconstructions are considered

1:27:20Our traffic calming team works with our our capital

1:27:24project managers and reviews that street and how we can

1:27:27implement things differently

1:27:30you know, I'll take

1:27:31example of

1:27:33Edinburgh college and the cycling

1:27:36Intersection and and working through that and and how that functions and and makes it more safe for people

1:27:42So it's it's definitely something that we continue to work through. We also have our complete streets guideline

1:27:48that developments and our own work

1:27:52Looks at as we we consider traffic calming on upcoming projects

1:28:00Okay, councillor, uh, kate and yeah, would you like to wrap it up for us as the mover?

1:28:05Thanks. I also have questions for staff. So, of course. Yeah, go ahead. Um, so through you to staff

1:28:11so

1:28:12It's my understanding that stop signs are new in terms of our traffic calming tools

1:28:16Because I've asked in the past and and we had said that traffic like stop signs are not considered a traffic calming tool

1:28:22So they're new as of this policy, right?

1:28:31Through the mayor to councillor kate. They're not one of the 22 tools recommended

1:28:35We rely on following the provincial warrants when and if an always stop is warranted

1:28:41Oh, sorry. Just one sec. Councillor kate

1:28:45They're listed as a supplemental measure my apologies

1:28:49Thank you. So we don't have any data

1:28:53Of how effective they are versus speed cushions, correct?

1:28:58Through the mayor to councillor kate. We don't have go off specific data on the effectiveness of

1:29:09Um always stops on speed of vehicles

1:29:14Okay, thank you

1:29:16and

1:29:17Has staff had a chance because I'd meant I heard from a delegate that there was

1:29:21uh

1:29:22She had said that she talked to a lawyer and that

1:29:27There could be a human rights complaint from what she had heard has staff talked to legal about

1:29:33Risk

1:29:36Yeah, so I'm good. I'm just going to jump in there and I don't have it in front of me

1:29:39I'm only going by memory, but I believe our procedural bylaw

1:29:44does mention

1:29:46being

1:29:47Careful about this type of a conversation in the open session

1:29:52If you feel like you would like to

1:29:55Ask any legal advice happy to accommodate that if it's the will of council to move into closed

1:30:01Um, but uh, I just want us to be careful

1:30:05In regards to

1:30:07Where this is going and of course you all know me well enough. I'm not trying to stifle conversation in any way

1:30:12But I also want to make sure that in protection of our role as councillors to the corporation

1:30:17Any type of information from a legal perspective should be done in camera

1:30:22Um, can I ask maybe you could read?

1:30:25Sorry councillor Caton my apologies. I paused enough there. I think you probably thought I was I was done

1:30:30Then that's my fault. I'm going to turn it back to you is what I was going to say

1:30:33If you want to just reevaluate your question or consider moving on to another one, whatever you wish, but I'll leave it to you

1:30:39It's um putting the floor back to you

1:30:42Um, can I ask you to go into closed then to get that information?

1:30:51Yeah, I I'm just going to go to our deputy

1:30:55cao, uh, steven o' brian, uh to

1:30:58Um to respond to a potential legal question enclosed. Okay. Just one second. Yeah, I'm through through you to council

1:31:04Thank you, mayor Guthrie. We currently don't have a legal council available on this specific file

1:31:10Or to be able to provide advice on the specific matter

1:31:13What I will say is I heard my colleagues in infrastructure development and environment mentioned that they did have

1:31:19Some discussions with legal if those weren't of a privileged or confidential nature

1:31:23They may be permitted to share some of the generalities of that

1:31:27But at this moment it's difficult for council to move into a closed session

1:31:30You would have to move into closed under section 239 that's related to solicitor client privilege

1:31:35The only person that can provide you legal advice under that

1:31:38Revision is is a legal professional

1:31:41And so I would I would only cautionly council in that moment right now as it relates to that

1:31:48I mean councillor hauser got a certificate in municipal law. So I don't know

1:31:55Just thought I'd break the ice there a little bit

1:31:58um

1:31:59Yeah, how about you

1:32:01Councillor Caton, I think it would probably be wise for

1:32:05For us we can't really move into closed then for that legal we can't right so based on our lawyer not being available for that

1:32:12Is there any other questions that you that you had?

1:32:16I mean by the way before you do say that I would just say that

1:32:20The issue that you've raised and I'm only speaking for myself

1:32:23But the issue that you've raised can obviously be your own personal determination

1:32:28As a councillor as a mayor to determine if you're weighing that as an issue as a potential

1:32:33A potential issue in regards to how you vote for this right so don't don't feel like you need to

1:32:41Put it aside completely. I think it's something that each individual one of us here can say, you know what?

1:32:47Regardless of what information I may or might not hear in camera

1:32:50The issue is something that I still adhere to and I'm going to use that as part of the filter before I vote

1:32:56So it's not to dismiss it outright. Okay. Call over to you cuts, okay?

1:33:01Thank you. Um, so I'll just I'll just bring it home then. Um,

1:33:06I I think that

1:33:07This is not an equity based decision. I think

1:33:13That we are

1:33:17Trading potential harm for known harm when there are other options to us

1:33:22To use that aren't speed cushions and I appreciate that they'll be used in the the last case

1:33:29scenario, but

1:33:31it seems like there are a lot of last case scenarios along starwood and various other areas and

1:33:39And I

1:33:41I personally am harmed over them

1:33:44If any of you have ever had

1:33:46Your hip dislocate your leg falls pretty much off your body

1:33:50It is not pleasant and that's what's happening to me when I go over these speed bumps

1:33:57so

1:33:59that combined with

1:34:01feedback from

1:34:03various pass iterations of the aac

1:34:05our delegates and

1:34:09The unknown

1:34:12risk to the city

1:34:15Given that context

1:34:17I I strongly urge you

1:34:19to

1:34:21Vote for my motion to remove that

1:34:23from the traffic calming policy

1:34:27Okay, thank you very much

1:34:30Um, and just I need to always make sure I clear the air but when I kind of jump in as the chair

1:34:36About if I especially if I reference the procedural by-law. I just need to make sure that everyone knows like

1:34:41It was legit

1:34:43So I've had the clerks send it to me because I was only going by memory

1:34:47It's section 4.11.5. No delegation

1:34:51Shall be made to council or the committee on any matters relating to any litigation or potential litigation

1:34:59Including any matters which are before currently before or under the jurisdiction of any court or administrative tribunals

1:35:05Unless such a matter is referred by council to be said the administrative tribunal or court, okay?

1:35:10So I just want to make sure that you knew that I uh, I had the clerk send that to me, okay?

1:35:15so with

1:35:17Okay, council bruce. I tell and then I'd like to call the vote everybody. So this is it council bruce. I

1:35:22I've been listening to uh to the exchanges and I'm wondering if it's possible to make an amendment to council

1:35:29katens

1:35:30Motion and I would like to suggest instead of that speed cushions be removed that they be used as a last resort

1:35:40in in the

1:35:4422 22 tools that are there. I I hear the delegations

1:35:48I hear the emotion and the hurt and so I would just like to offer that and again at the staff's

1:35:55So I'm just going to cut you off there because I would need a seconder for that

1:36:00It looks like karan is willing to second that so now you can apply on on on your vote. Yeah, I think I think that's fine

1:36:07Yeah, so we have an amendment to the amendment now that is on the floor

1:36:11Which is uh to recognize

1:36:15Uh

1:36:17You know what I have a feeling your amendment to the amendment is contrary

1:36:21Or may not work for the wording because her amendment is to remove and then yours is

1:36:27To use as a last resort. You can't have a remove and use as a last resort in the same sense

1:36:34So I think if you don't mind

1:36:37Yeah, I think I'm on the right track here. I think it'd be better to allow

1:36:41Councillor catons motion to fail

1:36:44And then you could table the new motion as you've described it

1:36:48You can't have it the way it's worded right now. You're with me. Okay. I have to go through this regular role

1:36:53Councillor Busuttil you okay to withdraw. Yes

1:36:56Councillor Caron, you're okay to withdraw your second. Thank you. Is any member of council against the withdrawal of that amendment?

1:37:03Nobody clerks. You're good follow the bounce and ball good

1:37:07um, so we're back to the main motion as

1:37:12Table by councillor, uh, kate. Okay

1:37:14um, so

1:37:16I'll just say my comments. I actually agree with where councillor catons going on this one

1:37:21I might be you know, we'll see how the vote lands on this and councillor buildings as well

1:37:25um, and I really want to respect that I fully appreciate that staff would always use their professional, uh, you know

1:37:35It's a professionalism to determine what is or what is not required and it wouldn't be a first

1:37:40I get that it wouldn't be a first choice on every street

1:37:43um, but I think the way I view it

1:37:46Is uh when I hear it's one out of 22 measures that can be chosen

1:37:53I think the same could be said by saying

1:37:55um, now you have 21 choices

1:37:59So and I really don't mind what councillor Caton said about stop sign. So maybe it is 22 if you add a stop sign

1:38:07So I I would say that um

1:38:11The way I view it is there's 21 options at least at a minimum on the table for

1:38:17Or on the road. No pun intended to be to be chosen. Okay

1:38:21um, I uh, I have

1:38:24Not been in favor of the as many of those speed cushions

1:38:28um as they have been rolled out across the city

1:38:31And for accessibility reasons and other reasons too, um combined

1:38:35So I will be supporting councillor Caton, uh, and billings a motion and uh, but we'll see how it goes. Okay

1:38:42So I'll call the vote on that right now. Uh, so is there anyone that is against the motion to remove the cushions at this time?

1:38:50Okay, so that's uh, richardson

1:38:52and uh goller

1:38:55And gipson

1:38:58Okay, so that actually passes

1:39:01Okay, so of the of the of the suite of menus that the menu that is had by by staff

1:39:08Um, they would be able to still choose all the other ones except for uh for that one. Okay councillor Caton

1:39:14Now, did you still have the floor? Did you want to?

1:39:17Uh table anything else or are you good?

1:39:21I I have a I have a few other

1:39:24That is related

1:39:27Go for it

1:39:34clerks could please

1:39:36Oh, okay. We'll get them up on the screen. Sorry

1:39:39Help an ADHD counselor out. Uh, thank you. I appreciate you. Um

1:39:44So my my other motions are that staff be directed to remove existing speed cushions from bike lanes

1:39:51subject to uh 60 000 dollars being added for this purpose through the

1:39:562027 budget confirmation process to allow this work to be completed without impacting other planned traffic calming work as outlined in the traffic calming policy

1:40:05and that

1:40:07city council respectfully requests that the mayor add 60 000 dollars to the 2027 capital budget funded by the tax levy

1:40:14to remove speed cushions from bike lanes

1:40:16and that staff be directed to review

1:40:19alternative methods of protecting against driver behavior in areas where speed cushions and bike lanes coexist through

1:40:252026 and provide a report back to council in advance of the 2027 budget confirmation process

1:40:31with options and estimated costs for consideration

1:40:34So, um, I'm asking for this. I'm just uh, I'm just going to ask if there's a seconder

1:40:39I see a hand pouncer galler is willing to second so go ahead. You can give us your spiel now

1:40:44Thank you. Um, so the the speed cushions that currently exist. There is a number of them where they extend over the bike lanes

1:40:52um, and I know that staff have put this in because it is recommended within the transportation manual that they

1:41:00They abide by and that

1:41:03They're trying to basically account for driver behavior

1:41:07um, but I think that other vertical measures or other methods would be more appropriate because

1:41:13similar to the speed cushions, there are a number of cyclists

1:41:17who use accessible

1:41:19bicycles and

1:41:21We just can't pass. We can't use those bike lanes anymore because of those bumps

1:41:25um, there are potential risk for small children who are not very good at balancing trying to use the bike lanes

1:41:31and even uh

1:41:34Season cyclists when they're going quickly if they don't necessarily see them then they're basically getting launched into space

1:41:42So I think that we need to address that issue

1:41:46while

1:41:47In the remaining areas where speed cushions currently exist

1:41:51Thank you questions and our comments on this other than the clerk. Yes

1:41:57Through you mr. Mayor. Thank you. I just want to clarify

1:42:00Um, if the intention is that these are to be considered as amendments to the traffic calming policy

1:42:04We still have the traffic calming policy itself as amended on the floor

1:42:08I would view these as not an amendment. You are correct

1:42:12Is there so is there anybody that has amendments to the actual

1:42:19Policy you do councillor Gibson

1:42:22No, okay, then just wait a second

1:42:25Okay, what why is your hand up councillor Gibson? Did you want to jump in? I just don't want to jump ahead if you have something to say

1:42:31questions

1:42:33Questions on the amendment

1:42:35On any of the amendments

1:42:37All right. Yep. No problem. Just one second. Um

1:42:42Count councillor Geller. Where are you going? Go ahead your first question your worship my motion

1:42:48I was hoping to make it as an amendment to

1:42:51to the traffic calming policy

1:43:07Okay

1:43:09Um, councillor Caton. Um, if you don't mind i'm going to go to councillor Goller's uh, paul uh

1:43:16Motion amendment to the policy so we can wrap up the whole policy discussion and then i'm going to come back to this one. Okay

1:43:23Okay, okay. Are you good with removing then? Are you good with that? Happy to remove for now

1:43:28I think I saw galler you seconded it right so you're good. Anybody on council want to challenge that everyone okay?

1:43:34Okay, good. So it's officially off the table

1:43:37councillor Goller you have uh an amendment what i'm calling an amendment

1:43:41To the policy because it will determine how you vote on the entire thing

1:43:46And then once you're done, we'll go back to we'll actually call the vote on the policy

1:43:50Okay, and then after that's done, we'll go back to councillor Caton's and then we'll wrap it up

1:43:54So over to you if we can have the the amendment on the screen for councillor Goller, please

1:43:59Thank you worship

1:44:01the

1:44:02The traffic calming policy takes the list of streets that have been considered for traffic calming and narrow sit down to 25

1:44:10So this motion directs staff to maintain an active internal tracking registry of the approximately 200 streets that were previously scheduled for review under traffic calming

1:44:18But did not qualify as the 25 prioritized locations under the 2026 traffic calming policy

1:44:25And that staff be directed to formally review these registered streets for alternate vision zero safety measures

1:44:31And report back to council annually via public facing communication

1:44:36Detailing which alternative measures have been deployed to address speeding and volume concerns

1:44:42Really what let me see if there's a seconder first

1:44:47Awesome

1:44:48Go ahead goer. Thank you worship and and what this really adds to the traffic calming policy

1:44:53Which previously had said those 200 streets are dorado scope

1:44:58because they did not meet the

1:45:00The threshold in the new policy

1:45:03This just ensures that they're continuing to be tracked internally by staff and that we have an annual

1:45:09reporting back to the community in in public communications

1:45:13So that we can stay on a year to year basis

1:45:15These are the things that the city is doing to move forward the vision zero strategies

1:45:21So it just formalizes that at least once a year there's going to be communication out to the community

1:45:26That updates everyone on how we are doing with implementing those other policies that fall outside the traffic calming policy

1:45:34To make sure that there is that reporting back to the community

1:45:38Okay, any questions on this? I have one question on it, but

1:45:43Oh, awesome. I get to go first and last

1:45:46Um, so my question to the maybe the mover into staff feel free to jump in if you want to

1:45:52Is could you just put the motion back up for me one more time? I just wondered like

1:45:56Do you need resources or funding?

1:46:00for the 25

1:46:03No, not for the 25. Um, where is it here?

1:46:10Yeah, and that staff be directed to formally review these registered streets 200 of them

1:46:17So

1:46:19What does that mean for you?

1:46:21I guess I'm just trying to figure out what you need

1:46:24to do that

1:46:28through well through the mayor to the mayor

1:46:30um, so it would all be sort of budget depending right we have um

1:46:35About I want to say off top. I had about 68 thousand dollars a year to conduct traffic studies in our operating budget

1:46:42So once that money's used up that's used up and we've we've been telling people for years like

1:46:47You know our budgets used up for this year. We'll collect data next year

1:46:51So we would just sort of follow that process as requests come in

1:46:55We would try to fulfill as many as we can within the the budget we have

1:47:00And anything over and above that goes on our list for future years

1:47:03Okay, so I'm just trying to understand the scenario like logistically how this would play out

1:47:08so

1:47:09You have this 200 backlog

1:47:13and

1:47:14Are you going to be reviewing based on councillor Goller's motion the most the furthest one away that came in

1:47:21eight years ago

1:47:23Or are you starting in the middle or are you starting at the end the most recent request?

1:47:28Like are you going to go back to the first one and try to you're trying to catch up to the president?

1:47:33I kind of would hope so but yes, okay

1:47:37That makes me feel better

1:47:39And it makes me understand the motion a little bit better too

1:47:42um

1:47:43And and so how how do you?

1:47:46How do you propose that we and the public would be?

1:47:50informed

1:47:51On that annual basis it says it in the motion near the end, but how is it an information report?

1:47:59Or is it through an actual?

1:48:02Report that comes to council every year. How are you going to front face this to to the community and to council?

1:48:08So through the mayor

1:48:10Once a year we do sort of a road safety update and it talks about here's where

1:48:15Warranted always stops are here's where warranted traffic signals pedestrian crossovers

1:48:20We also include that here's the streets were traffic calming this year

1:48:24So we we have been doing that work. I'm happy to share previous versions of that work to refresh councils

1:48:29Memory of what that looks like, but it's work. We we sort of already do and in speaking with the councillor

1:48:35It just sort of ensures that work continues on a on a go-forward basis

1:48:40okay, um, I I feel like uh more

1:48:45Clarity has helped me a little bit. So thank you. Can I call the vote on on this one folks?

1:48:52Councillor Chew and then we'll call the vote. Okay, I apologize through you, mr. Mayor pal

1:48:56Apologies that this is very obvious. So you're going to do the 25 as per the policy and then if you have

1:49:01surplus capacity you do what's on the 200

1:49:06Is that correct?

1:49:09through the mayor to councillor Chew

1:49:12Again, we've got a couple buckets here. So the formal traffic calming work. We're committing to these 25

1:49:19The these other requests would be reviewed and if there are other measures

1:49:24We can do that aren't sort of the formal because like traffic calming typically is the most resource and financially

1:49:30intensive so if we can find another

1:49:33Quick solution that will help mitigate speeds on that street. We'll implement it

1:49:38We won't lose track of them when we get down these 25

1:49:41Then maybe we can go in and do something more

1:49:45So I hope that clarifies that for you. Okay. Thank you and busital

1:49:51Thank you

1:49:52I kind of have a related question to this because in the university wealth the wealth lab study

1:49:58It says that the most marginalized areas of wealth have had fewer traffic studies. So if that's the input data in identifying the

1:50:07You know 25 and the 200

1:50:11What happens to this q kind of you know the marginalized

1:50:15Areas have had fewer traffic studies. So fewer opportunity to have traffic calming. Where do they fit in this q?

1:50:22Is it the 25 then the

1:50:24200 and then maybe get around to the priority neighborhoods

1:50:30Uh through the mayor to counselor busital so that the 25 prioritized streets

1:50:34Some of them will have fallen into equity deserving communities. We provided that information through the council memo

1:50:40The remainder that wouldn't have been proactively asking for data

1:50:43Would likely be captured through that road safety initiatives fund. So they would be still traffic calmed

1:50:48But just through a different funding source

1:50:54Last question. I'm sorry that I am calling the vote everybody

1:50:58um

1:50:59Let's say you're going through the backlog of the 200 and you get to a review where it's not warranted

1:51:06There's nothing warranted at all. Would that still be at least listed in the annual report as well?

1:51:11We went to this street. We looked nothing warranted move on. Will that at least be identified?

1:51:16Uh through the mayor like historically we haven't sort of done that publicly

1:51:21We usually respond back to the resident copy the counselors. Yeah, you know you ask this for this

1:51:26We studied it. It's not warranted

1:51:29If the desire is to formalize that on a list

1:51:32We can track it and we can report it the same as we sort of did in attachment one

1:51:37I think like

1:51:39It's not that much more work. I would I would say that's been an interesting touch point for council to be aware of

1:51:44I don't think you have to put in every single street or something like that

1:51:47But even if it was just like we had we we went to the backlog of 200. We did 20

1:51:5311 did not meet 11 did not meet warrant and then the nine are identified in you know, that's something like that

1:51:59I think would be interesting a data point because there is a lot of we all know this

1:52:05There's a lot of people that complain on these issues where there is nothing warranted

1:52:10And so it would be interesting to see sort of the stat out of the 200 at some point

1:52:15to show where you know, how much of this is actually just

1:52:20Warranted or or not. I think it would be an interesting point to have on the report. So okay

1:52:24I'm going to call the vote for councillor Goller's motion. Is anybody against?

1:52:30Okay, so that's nobody so thank you that was the amendment to the policy

1:52:35So now I am going to call the vote on the on the

1:52:39Main motion as amended. Okay

1:52:42Is there anybody else councillor Gibson go ahead?

1:52:45Yeah questions just clarity just because I want to understand the full ramifications of our decisions tonight to staff

1:52:52speed

1:52:53pumps

1:52:54Or they will no longer be used in traffic calming measures anywhere in the city. I understand that

1:52:59What becomes of the streets that have the traffic calming measures in place now?

1:53:03Will you be actively removing the speed humps from

1:53:07Downey from starwood from everywhere they are in the city?

1:53:12Because it's not a tool that we're permitting you to use anymore

1:53:15As part of traffic calming

1:53:17Through the mayor to council gibson. No at this point. We will not be actively removing

1:53:23Speed cushions that are on our city streets. Okay my next question

1:53:29When I get the phone call this summer

1:53:32From the neighborhood dad or the neighborhood mom saying dan they're they're bypassing the construction on york road or they're bypassing construction on this street and

1:53:39Cars are coming down here 80 kilometers an hour

1:53:42And they say we need speed cushions

1:53:45My response to them is that's no longer an option to slow cars down through your neighborhood. Is that correct?

1:53:51Through the mayor to councillor Gibson

1:54:00It's a bit nuanced here. So that's handled outside of our traffic calming policy

1:54:05We sort of do that to try to mitigate construction. However

1:54:09Based on the vote from council in the direction from council tonight

1:54:15I believe staff would be working under the assumption that those temporary rubberized speed cushions are not to be used

1:54:23as a temporary measure to deter construction

1:54:27Detour traffic unless we hear different from council tonight

1:54:32I think they're out

1:54:34So this is a very important piece for me. We're not just talking about the 25 streets that you've identified for traffic calming

1:54:40Or as the tool going forward, we're actually talking about in all and all applications

1:54:45is staffs is staffs um

1:54:48Determination or interpretation and this is important because um, you know, it's the most important

1:54:53It's the most shown to be the most effective tool we have

1:54:57And we have construction season and we we do get calls all the time to slow

1:55:03vehicles around

1:55:05college, york

1:55:07Grange, starwood, we have a lot of diverting that we do that we use these this tool to to slow people down

1:55:15And these are usually through residential neighborhoods

1:55:24I guess my question is

1:55:26can staff

1:55:28Confirm that they will not be using these anymore

1:55:33In order to slow people down

1:55:37Through the mayor to council gibson. So, you know, I think what you what you saw tonight was a policy-based decision that

1:55:44You know staff brought forward with their best professional advice balanced on, you know, things like civic circles community engagement and a number of different

1:55:53Interests and so, you know, we acknowledge it's a challenge and and the number one goal here was to keep

1:55:59The community roads as safe as possible through our vision zero working

1:56:01So that's what staff brought forward with the decision that council made

1:56:05I think it's very clear that you've asked us not to put those types of measures down

1:56:08And so I don't think we would be doing that on a go forward with respect to construction temporary or any other

1:56:14Circumstance on a go forward

1:56:16Okay, so my comments are I have grave concerns

1:56:23I have grave concerns that we've removed the the the best

1:56:27ability for our staff to protect

1:56:30neighborhood streets specifically

1:56:33Children centric neighborhood streets

1:56:35Especially when we are diverting traffic around active construction sites

1:56:40To not have the primary mitigation tool in place to slow people down

1:56:46This is one of the the biggest phone calls I received during construction season is we need we need speed bumps

1:56:52We need speed bumps people are racing down our streets. Someone's going to get hurt someone's going to get killed

1:56:57And to say that we are no longer utilizing that tool

1:57:01As a public safety measure

1:57:03Um, I I have grave concerns and quite frankly, yeah, councillor councillor Gibson may I just interrupt just see if I can maybe help you

1:57:11um

1:57:14And by the way, you're not in the room here. So I just I'm trying to capture some of the flavor of the

1:57:20Of what's happening in the room here that you can't see so or experience. So

1:57:24Um, would you consider?

1:57:26um a motion that would allow for

1:57:30For these as a temporary basis like construction detour going through these side streets as as just as you described

1:57:38Um, so it would be a differential between permanent versus temporary

1:57:42Which would give some direction to staff where if necessary

1:57:46um

1:57:47In the situations as you've described them

1:57:50Where there's you know, these cut-throughs that are happening

1:57:53On these residential side streets due to construction and such that staff would have the ability

1:57:58Directed by council to use as temporary

1:58:01Uh as a way to salvage

1:58:04I think the credibility of this decision for council. I would I would ask staff help me with that because um

1:58:11I I haven't thought of it because I didn't I didn't foresee this motion

1:58:14It's it's okay. This is uh, this is a domino that's fallen

1:58:18immediately and I'm trying to

1:58:20trying to resolve

1:58:22Yeah, I know that you are I it's okay

1:58:24I know that you are because what I can see that what you're expressing is your opinion

1:58:29Based on whether or not you actually want to support the entire policy as I won't be supporting the I won't be supporting the entire policy

1:58:36Oh, if if we don't resolve

1:58:38Okay, and so I'm just trying to make sure that we move along procedurally here

1:58:43If you want to try to resolve it

1:58:45Then you need to look at maybe making a motion that would give direction to staff

1:58:49To help with the ability to implement temporary speed cushions where necessary

1:58:55I think staff would be the best help. I think staff would be the best to help formulate that that language

1:59:00quick thank you

1:59:01we did one

1:59:03And staff are are actually going to do that

1:59:06And so as we allow staff to help with that wording. Can I just look at staff?

1:59:12You're helping with that. Yes. Okay. They're actually already actively working on on that motion for you

1:59:17So we are going to take a three minute break

1:59:20We're going to take a three minute break

1:59:22and and uh, and we're going to we're going to

1:59:28We're going to take a three minute break. Okay, we'll be right back

2:01:34Okay, uh, how are we doing staff?

2:01:39Maybe I'll ask my colleagues to put their cameras back on

2:01:48I saw your hand for sure

2:01:52Okay, I saw a flurry of hands start to go up and maybe even some commentary

2:01:57I want us to be focused here. Please. I'm getting a little frustrated

2:02:02so

2:02:03Councillor Gibson has the floor

2:02:05He's working on a motion which is about to go on the screen

2:02:10We need to deal with one thing at a time methodically. Okay, so please

2:02:16Let's follow this through. Let's get to the end whatever the end is

2:02:20But it starts right now with councillor Gibson and a motion that's about to go on the screen

2:02:24If there's a councillor that is in favor

2:02:27Of what councillor Gibson may agree with here

2:02:30Then I need a seconder before we continue any further on the discussion on the item and or questions

2:02:36In regards to it. Okay

2:02:38So staff, do we have that available to put up yet?

2:02:44Through you through you, mr.

2:02:45Mary think staff are still working on a motion

2:02:48Just for a little bit of clarity

2:02:49What we're trying to work out is how to draft

2:02:52Unamending motion that is not contrary to the direction to remove all speed cushions

2:02:59That that can be done and perhaps my my colleagues in engineering and transportation services can help me out

2:03:05Because construction sites are not specifically noted in the traffic calming policy

2:03:09So we're endorsing the current practice of using those vertical measures and construction sites

2:03:13And we just need a little bit of time to make sure we get that wording in a way that isn't contrary. Okay. Hold on

2:03:19Um

2:03:21Can I just jump in first and then I'll go right to you to your mind. Thank you

2:03:26If we are

2:03:28Okay, let's just settle this right now. I think with this question

2:03:32Do staff need direction outside of the traffic calming policy in regards to anything to do with construction measures at all

2:03:43Because if you say no, then we don't need to do a motion

2:03:49Uh to the mayor, I think we we do need that direction

2:03:53currently as

2:03:55The motions sit

2:03:58It's saying speed cushions are not a tool

2:04:01We recognize that as it relates to the traffic calming policy

2:04:03But we take that pretty hard as saying is it would also not be a tool as it relates to

2:04:09Construction projects we we are asking for clarification

2:04:13Okay, direction. That's fine. That at least that's cleared up. I had a point of order from councillor

2:04:18Downer go ahead

2:04:21Well, that was kind of it because these are temporary

2:04:25traffic like

2:04:27Well, just not to have traffic avoid those streets really

2:04:31Um, so they're they're temporary. They're not the same as traffic calming policy

2:04:37Which we're going to be permanent. So I do see it as different

2:04:41But I do see that staff need the direction from council to create that clarity going forward

2:04:47You know particularly going into a new term and stuff like that

2:04:50Um, so but I I actually see it as a separate motion outside of the traffic calming policy

2:04:56And that we could pass the policy

2:04:58And then still do a separate motion stating this this is sort of what because it's not part of the traffic calming policy

2:05:05And that's sort of where I feel we should do is to continue to keep it separate

2:05:10And and just say and that staff continue to you as another motion separate motion and that staff continue to use

2:05:16speed cushions as far

2:05:19In regards to construction

2:05:22Through the mayor to count temporary temporary speed and use the word temporary speed cushions

2:05:27Through the mayor to council downer. Yes, uh, I we're happy with that

2:05:32Yeah, I would agree and as the as the chair i'm going to make a ruling here that that this is

2:05:38This is exactly

2:05:39Where my thought process is

2:05:41It's outside of the of what we're voting on right now, but related and so it I think we need to still

2:05:49Discuss and debate maybe that motion that councillor kiffman is doing

2:05:52But it it's separate from the policy that we're talking about right now. So

2:05:57um

2:05:58So what i'm going to do is i'm going to now make the decision to move forward with we have

2:06:04The main motion as amended

2:06:08Okay, so is there any commentary or questions related to the main motion as amended

2:06:15Before I call that vote and as soon as that vote is done

2:06:19I will go to councillor Gibson on the other issue that we were just talking about

2:06:23Only goer could go ahead

2:06:26Thank you through your worship to staff

2:06:28appreciating that um traffic cushions have been room for the tool is one of the other tools available traffic tables

2:06:35And specifically you mentioned that for example our street the only real tool to slow people down

2:06:40War the traffic cushions

2:06:42Failing that our traffic tables an option on those narrower streets

2:06:50Through the mayor to councillor Goller every site is

2:06:53specific it would be premature for me to

2:06:56Answer that right now. I I don't know

2:06:59We we have to go in and do that analysis

2:07:02So specifically for that street you'll have to but in general will we see traffic tables as one of the tools that is implemented

2:07:10for those 25 streets

2:07:12Through the mayor to councillor Goller. They're one of the 21 tools remaining in the toolbox

2:07:22Thank you. Okay. I'm going to call the vote on the main motion

2:07:26As amended. Oh, sorry right before I do councillor Gibson and I really need to call the vote on this but you go ahead and

2:07:31Fine. Thank you guys bring it on. I actually thought I had the floor about 10 minutes ago, but that's okay. I'll continue with my commentary

2:07:38um, I have I I remain concerned that we're removing this tool

2:07:43I think that I've heard from staff that they are going to leave the existing

2:07:47traffic calming structures that are in place on the streets that are are already treated

2:07:52So I think that that's positive moving forward. It won't be a tool in our traffic calming measures, but I'm hopeful that um

2:07:59The remaining tools that are your disposal will continue to

2:08:02Benefit the community. So I just want my my comments on the record that I don't

2:08:07I don't agree with removing those things but the traffic calming policy in itself is a good

2:08:12piece of work from staff

2:08:14And so I'll be supporting it and I'm hopeful that the motion I introduce next will be supported as well

2:08:20Great, thank you councillor Gibson

2:08:22I'm going to call the vote then on the main motion as amended is anyone against

2:08:29Nobody so that's unanimous

2:08:32Now I'm going to go to what I believe is the potential motion that will be coming up on the screen

2:08:39if um

2:08:41If seconded for councillor Gibson

2:08:44Now I have it in my inbox. It just came in did clerks get it as well

2:08:49Through you, mr. Mayor. We did it has been rewritten slightly

2:08:52Okay, let's let councillor Gibson read it and then see if there is a seconder for that

2:08:58All right. Thank you. The use of temporary speed cushions when used related to construction detour mitigation be permitted

2:09:04Is there a seconder for that motion?

2:09:06Yes, uh Gibson. I'm sorry not Gibson goller. Okay. We'll uh second that for you. Thank you

2:09:11I want to just apply on that before I call the vote. Thank you. I would love to expand

2:09:16over the last 10 years

2:09:19The York Road corridor here on Florence Avenue every side street that you can think of throughout that corridor

2:09:26Has been used like a checkerboard with these speed cushions to uh, ultimately just save lives

2:09:33There's so many streets and neighborhoods that have been used as bypasses to that construction

2:09:37That we've permanently like we've intentionally diverted people through neighborhoods

2:09:40That these cushions were a primary tool to slow to slow people down likewise

2:09:45College avenue right through the university neighborhoods

2:09:48We have diverted so many times traffic around those that that college avenue construction

2:09:53And this is the primary tool that's being used and quite frankly. I think the neighborhoods and the the neighbors in those streets

2:10:01Like them

2:10:02I think they appreciate them when we put them in and I think it's the first thing they ask for

2:10:06When they start seeing that diverted construction traffic. So

2:10:09I do appreciate staff working on the fly

2:10:11I hope that it's a tool that we can keep in our toolbox because I do think it saves lives

2:10:15I think it's a huge part of construction mitigation that quite frankly the community as a whole supports

2:10:22Okay, thank you

2:10:24Is there anything further on this?

2:10:27Okay, I'm just going to say I'm okay councillor billings and then katin and then uh, I'll wrap it up

2:10:34So through your worship to the staff it's it's been a while since I've gone over the temporary uh speed humps

2:10:42so

2:10:44Am I correct that they're not quite as jarring as the permanent ones with the payment?

2:10:54Through the mayor to council billing

2:10:56I think most and people would interpret those temporary rubber as cushions is far more aggressive than the permanent asphault speed cushions

2:11:05They're you're saying the temp the the temporary ones are worse

2:11:11Yes

2:11:14Okay, okay. Thanks. Well, wait a minute one more than through you

2:11:18We we own these we lease these these temporary ones and and regardless

2:11:25Do they have do we have temporary ones that are more like a speed table instead of the hump?

2:11:35Through the mayor to council billings not at this time. I'm not even sure if those are available

2:11:40I had to have to look into that

2:11:43Okay, okay. Thanks

2:11:45Thanks at katin, please

2:11:48Thank you. Um through you to staff

2:11:51Will there be alternate routes that don't have them or will all detours have these?

2:11:58temporary speed cushions is there going to be an alternate path for folks who have

2:12:03um pain issues with them

2:12:08Through the mayor to council katin

2:12:10We always strive to ensure there's at least one route to every resident where you do not have to go over

2:12:17Vertical measure there may be some aspects of the road network where that is not possible, but that historically has been our goal

2:12:28Thank you. So as so long as there's going to be at least one

2:12:30Accessible path throughout then then I'm fine with this motion and I will support. Thank you

2:12:37Thank you

2:12:38So what I was about to say there, uh, it's before I call the vote was

2:12:42I'm actually

2:12:44Extremely glad that councillor Gibson caught this

2:12:48Extremely glad. Uh, we never have thought of this

2:12:53Um, yes, it's kind of separate and outside the policy we understand, but I also understand

2:12:58The conflicting nature of where our staff are sitting. They're like, well then do we or don't we so they need they need this motion 100%

2:13:07but councillor gibson is bang on in regards to

2:13:11um, what happens when we have, uh

2:13:15Those construction areas, especially on main arterial roads and it completely pushes everyone into those residential areas

2:13:21So, um, thank you. I just want to publicly say thank you councillor gibson because if we had

2:13:26Well, I can only speak for me, but if I had found out that this could have been an option, uh tomorrow

2:13:31I would have been like, oh no, so, um, I'm really glad it was caught right now. Definitely supporting this

2:13:37Okay, so I'll call the vote. Is anyone against the temporary use for

2:13:42for our staff

2:13:44Okay, that's also unanimous. I think that brings us to the end of this one

2:13:49I believe so

2:13:52Yes

2:13:54To councillor caton have additional ones. Oh, yeah about the removal on the bike lanes. That's right. Sorry councillor caton. Yeah, okay

2:14:02Uh, round two go for it

2:14:08Thank you. If clerks could just bring it back up. I don't

2:14:12Does anyone need me to reread these or are we okay? Good

2:14:16And councillor Goller is just so excited to second everything tonight. I'll just put you down councillor Goller to second everything

2:14:22I hear you. Okay. So councillor Goller's got to second it for you councillor caton

2:14:27Thank you. So as staff mentioned

2:14:30the the removal wouldn't be

2:14:32immediate it would just be like over time as a policy

2:14:35um, but the bike lanes that are currently impacted in the the couple of locations that we have

2:14:42them are

2:14:44currently a barrier for those who

2:14:48Are cycling and especially those who are accessible cyclists. So I think that we should make sure that we remove that and

2:14:56free free the path on starwood

2:14:59so that all cyclists

2:15:02can now use those lanes and

2:15:05Not have to break the law and go on the sidewalk and all of the other detours that people are doing currently

2:15:12Okay, does anyone have any questions on those three at all?

2:15:17councillor Goller

2:15:18Thank you through your worship to staff. Uh, the word of the motion reads

2:15:22Christians, but if there is a speed bump over a bike lane, would that also be removed?

2:15:29uh, through the mayor to councillor Goller, uh

2:15:33Yes, if it is a speed

2:15:36bump within that bike lane, we would remove it as well

2:15:40Thank you. Thank you worship. Yes, we're good

2:15:48Okay, so it's clear gibson

2:15:51Thank you. If I do for don't mind just putting the motions back up

2:15:55I have a question about excluding vehicles from I know why the speed cushions are putting the bike lanes to begin with

2:16:00There's not the vehicles from sort of going around the uh any cushions. So what are the tools that staff will be using to

2:16:09um

2:16:10minimize the ability for cars to

2:16:13Go around the speed cushions and just use the airplane

2:16:16Uh, I know that there's specific reference there

2:16:20Uh, what are the what are the alternative methods that staff would be using? Are these like I might

2:16:26Are they are they separated by lanes by by concrete by concrete block? Um, like like what what are the tools that staff would be using?

2:16:34Through the mayor to councillor gibson, um at the moment, that's a good question. I think each site needs to be

2:16:41uh considered what that alternative could be which is why

2:16:45you see in motion three that we would have to go away and um

2:16:50Look at look at a design for each one of those

2:16:54locations. Uh, in some cases maybe a

2:16:57separated

2:17:00You know the the temporary jersey bears or a poor curb or something like that

2:17:05May work, but that's also something we need to

2:17:08Uh discuss with our operations team our emergency services

2:17:13Other departments throughout the city as to what

2:17:17We would implement

2:17:19Press practice there

2:17:24Okay, thank you. I I think I think my vote's going to be very similar to the first one

2:17:28I'd like to see this policy moving forward not going back and redoing I think so I'll be voting against these

2:17:36Okay, thank you

2:17:38With that, I'll call the vote. Okay

2:17:40Is anyone against these motions?

2:17:45Just gibson so that passes as well. Okay

2:17:49Okay, I think we're good for real this time

2:17:54All right. All right, perfect

2:17:59Thank you to staff as well and the community that spoke out on this issue. We appreciate it

2:18:04And we're moving right along

2:18:06We have the complaint under