AND that the provincial government strike a task force with the broad sector representatives including municipalities, regions, healthcare, first responders, community services…

2:03:43solve the crisis campaign and just as you're coming up I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be labor this over

2:03:49200 organizations and municipal councils have voted for this and after Brad speaks I'm very

2:03:59thankful that Klosson and Galler have indicated that they would move and second the motion for the

2:04:06solve the crisis campaign and so Brad I'll turn it over to you go right ahead excellent thank you

2:04:12very much so on this folks I think a lot of you know our discussion today has been about

2:04:20broader reaction to provincial legislation and you know the possibilities that are coming forward

2:04:29from the province and some of the very negative actions that the province is taking in regards to

2:04:34the solve the crisis campaign you know I see their goals and things that are listed there and

2:04:40those are all well and good but I would hope that Guelph and other big cities would consider some

2:04:47additional measures and actions in future phases of your work rather than you know asking the province

2:04:55for things like more powers to police and engage in other things like that that we've discussed today

2:05:02as mentioned earlier a full restoration of an expansion of overdose prevention sites I think is

2:05:07critical to the work relating to these issues a firm commitment from this city and from all of the

2:05:16Ontario big city mayors and the broader group around solve the crisis to increase social

2:05:22assistance rates to a level tied to rental rates and ensuring that there's renewed rental control

2:05:29and renter protections as part of any effort to solve the current many crises that we're looking at

2:05:37here as well as looking at accessible housing standards as the AODA lacks that entirely and

2:05:48you know as does the building code and ultimately a plan and funds to really build actual affordable

2:05:59and accessible housing as we've talked about I think in all of the delegations today and a lot of

2:06:05our discussion the reality is that a huge number of unhoused folks in this city and throughout the

2:06:15province are disabled ultimately the campaign has written does not do enough to address these issues

2:06:25it certainly does not and so I hope that in future in growing efforts in municipalities to actually

2:06:34solve the problems before us that we can look in these more holistic ways towards bigger ticket

2:06:42pieces of provincial legislation that need to be changed and need municipal pressure to change

2:06:49and there are standards out there for example Toronto just passed accessible housing standards

2:06:55for its public housing that hopefully will be a move towards inclusive or universal forms of design

2:07:04for housing and ultimately folks I think we need to resist legislation that forces municipalities

2:07:13and agencies to act at the provincial will instead of making progressive actions on issues some of

2:07:20the drafts we've seen of legislation that are coming ties certain pieces of the ministry of

2:07:30community and social services act related funding to following certain provincial directives

2:07:35and could result in fines for cities if that draft legislation moves forward and also for

2:07:41nonprofits that do community service work ultimately these are threats to your ability to

2:07:48govern and threats to your ability to solve any crisis ultimately then folks I you know hope

2:07:56that you take what we've said today in the various delegations and look at expanding your work

2:08:04beyond just the remit of where this campaign lies and make firm commitments to the reinvestment

2:08:11of our social safety net throughout this province and throughout this city thank you very much

2:08:18and thank you very much is there any questions for this delegate

2:08:21seeing and hearing none thank you very much and so as I indicated Councillor Klassen and

2:08:30Gowler are willing to move this for me as you can imagine all 29 municipalities that make up

2:08:36the Ontario Big City Mayor's Caucus are are moving these these motions the most recent one was the

2:08:43city of Hamilton who unanimously just voted for this as well but over and above the 29

2:08:52municipalities of OBCM as I said there's been over 200 so far it's it's you know I would like

2:09:01to just state to my council members that no no one else has ever amended or added or anything to this

2:09:08this has been a support motion from OBCM with that I'm just going to let it let it let it stay

2:09:16because it I think it's pretty straightforward and I'll just open it up if there's any questions

2:09:23Kate please thank you through you Mr. Mayor I have an amendment

2:09:29so the clerks have my amendment if we can put that on screen please

2:09:34um so I am amending a paragraph that says and the provincial government strike attack task force

2:09:43with broad sector representatives including municipalities regions healthcare first responders

2:09:48community services and people with living experience of homelessness and substance

2:09:53abuse disorders to develop a maiden Ontario action plan and I'm removing the business community and

2:10:00the tourism industry and my reasoning behind that is I just need to know if there's even a seconder

2:10:06Councillor okay oh please continue oh sorry um it's Councillor Caron had actually said that she would

2:10:13sorry so you're you're on screen up there I don't want to like lose you as a usually very

2:10:19remote person so by apologies okay go ahead you still have the floor so my my reasoning behind

2:10:27this is that this is essentially a healthcare and and housing ask and that the business industry

2:10:35and the tourism industry are inappropriate stakeholders to be included in that discussion

2:10:42and um within uh in 2010 Canada joined the United Nations Convention on the Rights of

2:10:50Persons with Disabilities and the principles of nothing about us without us were guiding the

2:10:56convention's development and this means that people with disabilities and the organizations that

2:11:02represent them should be engaged in everything that affects them and so as we're talking about

2:11:07people with living experience of homelessness and substance abuse disorders they should be involved

2:11:13in that discussion more than anybody else because this is about them this is a solution for them

2:11:20this is about something that they know more than anyone else is how to help them and even within

2:11:27Canada and our accessible Canada Act and the way that our government is going through creating

2:11:34standards for public services and inclusion we have been using that tenant and in our own engagement

2:11:41processes as a city we always make sure that we include people who have the main core of the need

2:11:51of the policies that we're crafting around them included in the discussion so that's why I'd like

2:11:56to make that amendment okay thank you just a quick question to you as the mover just based on what

2:12:02you just said there then would you suggest then are you suggesting that um skyline in town who is a

2:12:09business that gave millions of dollars to help build supportive housing is an inappropriate

2:12:13stakeholder to be a part of this they're a business so you're wanting to remove the opportunity for

2:12:18the business sector to be involved in this to try to help with these this crisis um how would you

2:12:24describe skyline in town that gave millions of dollars of their time and land to build supportive

2:12:29housing for people who are experiencing homelessness it's it's not it's not relevant whether or not

2:12:35they've donated money because they're not they shouldn't be involved in crafting policy so if

2:12:40they want to help that is absolutely wonderful but they should not be involved in crafting the

2:12:47policy don't like we've got plenty of people who donate towards great causes that aren't making

2:12:55up the the crux of the program that they're donating to okay so you can be a supporter but not

2:13:04okay stakeholder in that way so again council I would just say of the over 200 that have done

2:13:09this there's been no amendments to it at all I'd like to try to maintain the integrity of the the

2:13:14campaign if we can but it is on the floor speaking to this issue we got downer and then a boost

2:13:20until so so I understand the intent but and I I I don't mind the amendment about those with

2:13:28lived experience I think that adding that's fine but to take out the business community and the

2:13:32tourism community is taking out stakeholders so you're part of this is talking about housing

2:13:41we've we've just passed you know an affordable housing strategy yesterday where we acknowledge

2:13:46that we need partners in the business community to to work with that so you know as you need everybody

2:13:56at the table you need everybody at the table anybody who's impacted needs to be at the table

2:14:01anybody who can be part of a solution needs to be at the table to to come up with a made in in

2:14:09Ontario action plan without having all the stakeholders at the table it is is a problem so

2:14:16I I agree with the addition of um of lived experience I think I think that's important

2:14:24because they're they're the stakeholders right they're one of the stakeholders but I

2:14:29I would disagree with taking out the business community so I can make an amendment to take

2:14:37that out okay go ahead or you can withdraw it I don't know what no no we'll just do it okay

2:14:43so I like an I'm into it I can't I don't have it in front of me so I don't know how do I need to

2:14:47send that in or can I yeah if you could send it into the clerks so um I don't have it we're going to

2:14:52strike the the words um business out of the removal um seconded by councillor O'Rourke

2:15:00I don't through you mr. mayor it's certainly a chair's decision but I would suggest if the

2:15:05purpose of the amendment to remove is to remove them then amending it to add them back in would be

2:15:09contrary to that original yes so we could just vote one way or the other and the outcome of that

2:15:14is sort of the result okay so that's the easiest way so I would vote against this and if the if

2:15:19this fails then and the mover wants to put back in the ones with lived experience I would support that

2:15:26okay thank you um uh boost until then alt thank you um so this is my personal opinion I actually

2:15:35disliked uh number five and number six I am sick and tired of task force studying coming together

2:15:41it's been overdone and maybe I'm just showing my age around poverty and homelessness and years and

2:15:47years and years and we don't need a provincial task force what I would support support is

2:15:53stakeholders at the table at a local level with uh the ability to come up with a local action plan

2:16:02that has capital operational sustainable funding to have those conversations with the local players

2:16:08maybe it's my 16 years experience and you know education but you know all this work that goes

2:16:14into a task force all this money all this delayed time I'm frustrated and I'm fed up so I will not

2:16:20be supporting uh any amendment or anything I actually was going to try to remove both number

2:16:25five and number six I know you don't want any amendments to this but I'm sick and tired of all

2:16:30the task force all the reading and reports that say the same thing we need permanent public

2:16:36supportive transitional housing full stop that's what we need let's get going

2:16:42thank you um just as a response to that since it's uh sort of my motion the paragraph within

2:16:49their councillor Busuttil literally says exactly what you were asking for and that both levels of

2:16:54government provide adequate sufficient and sustainable funding to ensure that municipalities

2:16:59have the tools and resources to support individuals suffering with mental health addictions including

2:17:04unhoused people and from those vulnerable populations that may be disproportionately

2:17:07impacted so so it does wrap up uh it echoes and mirrors exactly what uh point of privilege sorry

2:17:15it's the provincial task force we don't need another provincial table so I did I agreed with that I

2:17:20put that that's a number eight I think uh it's the two provincial task force above it that I

2:17:28disagree with no I absolutely agree with that land capital operating maintenance all of that for

2:17:34permanent supportive and transitional housing it is the provincial task force that I I think is

2:17:39it's sleight of hand it's look over here we're going to do a provincial task force we're going to

2:17:43delay we're going to delay delay wait for the provincial task force I'm fed up let's let's let's

2:17:48get going true thank you okay all to then clausen thank you mayor guthrie um both of my colleagues

2:17:56have come up with some fairly important uh uh comments and uh and at least one resolution

2:18:02possibly another uh like colleague busatil I am not a fan of task force uh I think that what we uh

2:18:09we have for the task force is a an opportunity to delay any sort of real action uh task force

2:18:15take time how can we act on the uh the results coming from a task force if the task force is

2:18:21meeting over the time that we have a crisis the other problem that I have with uh with this actually

2:18:27is what councillor Caton said and that is uh the uh business and tourism is is one sector of uh

2:18:35of ontarius uh community but the question that I have is why not education institutions why not

2:18:42universities and colleges where we see issues that are very very um time critical uh related to this

2:18:50these particular resolutions being dealt with all the time further I question which businesses would

2:18:56become part of the task force because this is a provincial task force will the insurance industries

2:19:02which often provide tremendous funding for addiction support and therapy will they be involved

2:19:09and as we know uh their job in many cases is to deny funding for these things are we actually

2:19:17really thinking this out when we talk about businesses this is a health care and a safety

2:19:22crisis not an economics crisis although I acknowledge that there are many people that are working today

2:19:29that have substance abuse problems that need to be addressed but we have many people in the homes

2:19:36that need that have substance abuse problems and we have not included anything for that and I think

2:19:41councillor Caton has addressed that quite effectively in in the suggestion all right uh

2:19:48claus and then orork and then I'd like to try to get to the vote on the amendment please okay claus

2:19:53and then orork yes thank you and thanks to my colleagues for their comments um yeah particularly

2:20:00you know uh councillor bruce it resonated with me you know no more task force we need housing we

2:20:05need more housing and we need more evidence-based solutions we know them and part of my comments

2:20:10earlier were if if the province wants to see what's happening in guelph and what evidence-based

2:20:15solutions are happening come on down and see some of the projects that have opened up this year because

2:20:21we can keep doing those and we know we can do them well so let's continue to fund these projects

2:20:27because that's really what we what we should be doing um my comment with regard to the amendment

2:20:33specifically um I have concerns with it because I think it actually contributes to the overall

2:20:39adversarial nature of what's happening uh with our homeless community and our business community

2:20:45the business community and the tourism industry are there because they are also being impacted

2:20:50deeply by what's happening um we just heard from our delegates that um our our businesses are about

2:20:57to become frontline staff so we're they're going to be administering NOx alone they're they're part of

2:21:03our community and I I just heard councillor um downer here say that it's a broad spectrum group

2:21:11of people on this task force it's not putting one group against another a group or one person's

2:21:17rights ahead of another person's rights we need to all work together to come like together with

2:21:22solutions that are better for everyone and I'm I'm I find it frustrating to pull pull out one

2:21:28community that is deeply impacted by it and um I'd like to invite people to help solve these

2:21:35issues and look at some of the things going back to what I said earlier that are happening right

2:21:39here in Guelph um so I I I don't want to support that section of I would support the other piece of

2:21:47the uh the motion but specifically around the removal I think it's creating friction that I don't

2:21:53think we need okay thank you and then I'll roark and then I'll call the vote uh thank you Mayor

2:21:59Guthrie I just wanted to say I concur with uh councillors downer and classon that there are

2:22:05important stakeholders in our communities um stakeholders who see their frontline staff

2:22:12particularly part-time workers who could be vulnerable um and so I I don't support the

2:22:18removal of the business community or tourism um and I would support the addition of people with

2:22:25lived experience it's part of what we do at the um health and housing community planning table uh at

2:22:32Wellington County in Guelph so um I do think they are important stakeholders and then just as an

2:22:37aside so I don't have to come back we have supported uh calling on the province motions we have done

2:22:43support motions with far less scrutiny and far less consideration of all the ramifications and is

2:22:50it perfect and um and so I believe that OBCM and the other 200 organizations that have supported it

2:22:59have done a lot of their parsing we know that this will not be implemented this is not a bylaw

2:23:05and so I don't know that we need to continue to dissect that I will fully support the solve the

2:23:09crisis motion okay thank you I'd like to oh sorry Councillor Boussatou go ahead then I'll let them

2:23:16call the vote if I can go ahead yes thank you I'm I'm wondering whether or not when we vote on this

2:23:20if we can separate them and give them numbers because I will not be in my line uh supporting

2:23:26number five and six or the amendment uh the provincial task force I think uh council our work

2:23:32raised one of the points I was going to raise is that we are with our consolidated service manager

2:23:38already working on a local solution and what we need are those businesses and community agencies

2:23:43in our local community to address our local issues with the resources that we have the province needs

2:23:49to step up with real tools which is funding for capital land operating all of those kinds of things

2:23:57we do not need in my view in my years of experience and and working in education at the provincial

2:24:03level as well a provincial task force what we need is immediate action at the local level

2:24:09and we're doing that now and we need to continue on that so I will not be supporting either in my

2:24:15number number five or six anything to do with provincial task force okay thank you um let's

2:24:23just call the vote on the amendment and I again would just stress before the vote to my colleagues

2:24:31I also do agree it'd be no problem with adding lived experience I have no problem with that

2:24:39but it literally says a broad sector rep it says broad sector representatives like

2:24:47so to parse this out of who's in and who's out you know I just we're we're spiraling I

2:24:54is how I feel right now so um so I'm going to call the vote on that anyone against the amendment

2:25:01please raise your hand okay so probably will be easier to just say the ones that are four so it

2:25:10would be um Alt and Kate and Koran and so that fails all right so we're back to the motion and

2:25:18maybe Downer would you like to move the one on lived experience okay would you like to do that

2:25:26try it go just just to the lived experience one yes so I'd like to add in people with living

2:25:34experience of homelessness and substance abuse to that same paragraph without removing the others

2:25:40perfect and Downer would you second that yeah okay all right I'll call the vote on that I think

2:25:46I think we could find unity on that one so anyone against that one okay just boost the till so that

2:25:53passes okay now we're back to the main motions and the way I look at it so I look okay so we're

2:26:14what we'll do is we'll show them up on the screen I think the clerks are going to try that and then

2:26:18you could could you just yell out which ones you want to have separated and then we can do the other

2:26:22ones as one full scoop as full swoop and then pull those two out for you yep so just let's just let

2:26:32Councillor boost the till tell us which ones that you don't want to vote on or you're going to vote

2:26:38but just maybe not support yeah it's items number five and six that refer to the provincial task

2:26:45force okay and so I don't know if I need a motion but I will not be supporting them okay it's just

2:26:52to split them out so you can vote on it yeah differently so I'm just gonna I'm just gonna

2:26:56do five and six only right now okay and then we'll do all the rest okay so I'll call the vote then

2:27:04who's against five and six alt and boost the till okay and so five and six then passes and now I'll

2:27:15call the vote on the rest of the solve the crisis motion all those against okay and that's unanimous

2:27:24thank you so much council that's great yeah just a procedural question when the letter is being sent

2:27:31I assume that the whereas clauses are not part of the letter it's just the motions

2:27:38through you mr. mayor that's correct thank you all right everybody