Section 3B vii in Attachment-3 of the Decision Report, 70 Fountain Street East, Proposed Official Plan and Zoning By-law Amendments…

17:59This is the staff recommendation that's come back

18:03on 70 Fountain Street East,

18:05the proposed official plan and zoning bylaw amendment.

18:09And so obviously we have the report in front of us,

18:12but we do have two delegations

18:14wanting to speak to the matter.

18:16David Gelbreth from Upp Consulting, are you here?

18:21Okay, you're standing up.

18:24I meant that pun too.

18:40Yeah, I think this is a CTV.

18:43The media's allowed here, right?

18:46Yep, that's later in our agenda.

18:50No, just kidding.

18:51Yeah, thank you.

18:53And Chris Van De Water and Renita,

18:58I'm gonna try my best.

19:00Shem Sudinavam, did I say that right?

19:04Okay, are you guys all coming up at the same time?

19:08Too late, you are now.

19:10Okay, so you have no more than five minutes.

19:13I had you down as two, okay?

19:16So David, you have five minutes

19:18and then for the two of you, you have five minutes.

19:20If you wanna share the 10 or whatever, that's fine,

19:24but okay, I think we'll just go by the rule book here.

19:27We'll do five minutes and we'll do five minutes, okay?

19:29So you'll hear a chime at the four minute and 30 second mark,

19:33which is your 30 second warning

19:35that you can't get ready to get your microphone cut off

19:38at five minutes, okay?

19:39So don't let us get there

19:40because we hate it when we have to cut off the microphone,

19:42okay?

19:43And then stick around just in case

19:44there's any questions or follow up.

19:46So David, over to you.

19:48Okay, and thank you for pulling up the presentation here.

19:52Good afternoon, my name's Dave Galbraith.

19:54I'm a planner and the president of Up Consulting

19:56based out of the region of Waterloo,

19:58here today on behalf of Fitzerovia Residential Development.

20:03Next slide, please.

20:05Or is there a?

20:08Big green button, there we go.

20:12There we go.

20:13So just a bit of a refresher,

20:14the subject property 70 Fountain Street,

20:17which has frontage onto Wyndham Fountain

20:19and Farquhar Street currently has a three story office building,

20:23which is vacant.

20:24It's listed on the municipal heritage register.

20:26And then just last month,

20:28this proposal was endorsed by the heritage committee.

20:32In terms of the broader context,

20:35you can see the site again highlighted in red there,

20:38very close proximity to the Guelph Central Transit Hub,

20:43where we are city hall,

20:45and other amenities in the downtown area.

20:50In terms of the proposal itself,

20:53an official plan amendment zone change application

20:55were submitted late last year

20:57to permit a 24 story, 420 unit apartment building

21:02on the subject property.

21:04This aligns with OPA 106,

21:06which contemplated 24 stories on the site.

21:11There's vehicular parking,

21:12which is accessed both by Fountain and Farquhar Street,

21:15as well as ample bike parking on the site.

21:19So in advance of this meeting,

21:21we haven't had an opportunity to review the staff report

21:24from prepared by Canshin and her team

21:26in the planning department,

21:27and we're pleased to see a positive recommendation.

21:31Having said that, there are four items

21:33that I'd like to speak to today,

21:35with respect to the recommended implementing bylaw.

21:40I'm going to skip over the next several slides

21:42because they show the design itself,

21:44and I'll just go to slide 19.

21:48Apologies for all the clicking.

22:04So again, we are supportive of the recommendation

22:06for approval, but there are four site-specific provisions

22:10that we are requesting modification to.

22:12Firstly, item one here is the minimum retail GFA.

22:17We believe this may have been a clerical issue

22:20in the report itself.

22:21430 square meters is proposed,

22:24whereas the implementing bylaw contemplates

22:27440 square meters.

22:28So we respectfully ask that this would be included

22:31in the final approval.

22:34The second provision relates to mechanical penthouse.

22:38The staff report recommends a cap of four and a half meters,

22:42whereas the parent zoning bylaw does not set

22:44a maximum height for mechanical penthouses.

22:48Third, this relates to,

22:51third and fourth relate to bike parking standards

22:53to be clear, the required number of bike parking spaces

22:56are proposed to be included in the development,

22:59but these really relate to locational and size requirements.

23:03So the first one being that bike parking is to be provided

23:07within 25 meters of the main entrance.

23:09Given that we have three frontages here

23:12with active uses and entrances along all corridors,

23:16we are requesting that that be increased to 100 meters,

23:19which is more of a technical detail

23:22just measured from the main entrance

23:23to allow for the siting of bike parking

23:26throughout the site.

23:27And finally, the last request is with regards

23:31to stack bicycle parking width requirements.

23:34The recommendation in the report is 0.6 meters

23:38and that comes from the recently approved bike standards.

23:41And our client is requesting 0.4 meters

23:44for the width of these spaces.

23:46And that's typical of what they've included

23:48in their previous projects.

24:02I'd like to focus a bit on the rooftop mechanical.

24:06At the bottom of the screen here, you can see

24:08this is an excerpt from the zoning bylaw,

24:11which generally provides that rooftop mechanical equipment

24:14is exempt from the calculation of height.

24:18And in our experience for buildings of similar sizes

24:23in the past, the four and a half meters

24:25doesn't mirror what would be required

24:28for a building of this size.

24:30So we are requesting the removal

24:32of this site specific regulation

24:34just to allow for a mechanical room

24:37that can be appropriately sized for the development.

24:40With that, I'm available for questions

24:42or if you'd like, we could move over

24:43to Chris and Renata as well.

24:47Thank you.

24:49I think we'll go one at a time.

24:50If you don't mind, no, look, if for some reason

24:52you have an answer for what a colleague asks,

24:54then so be it and we'll go to your five minutes,

24:56but we'll stop there and let my colleagues ask any questions

25:00if there are any.

25:01So are there any questions?

25:03We'll start with Councillor Busuttil, please.

25:05And then yet Gawr after that, and then Kate as well.

25:09All right, go ahead.

25:10Thank you very much for the presentation

25:12and through the mayor, just a question

25:13about the width for the bikes.

25:17As a parent, the kids called the bike choo-choo,

25:20is there, would the four meter accommodate

25:26a family's kind of bike or an accessible tricycle,

25:31safely to get it out?

25:32Can you comment on that?

25:33Yeah, through the chair, these are more standard

25:37bike parking spaces that are vertically hung.

25:40So accessible bike parking spaces would be wider.

25:45So that's not the focus of this ask in particular.

25:48I'm not sure if Chris has, okay.

25:54Great, thank you.

25:56Sorry, Gawr and then this town ain't big enough

25:59for two Boussatils.

26:02Gawr and then Kate.

26:04Thank you, through your worship.

26:06Thank you so much for the presentation.

26:08Regarding the mechanical, in speaking with staff

26:11about the recommendation, they've let me know

26:13that there are other buildings that are being built

26:16downtown that are able to fit all of their mechanical

26:20in the 4.5 meters.

26:21And their concern is the aesthetic that,

26:24all of a sudden we might end up,

26:25and if we remove the restriction,

26:27you could end up with like an eight meter, a 12 meter.

26:30So tell us, why does the 4.5 not work for your build?

26:36I might allow Chris to speak to this first.

26:40Thank you, through your worship.

26:43So this building is 24 stories tall, it has 420 units.

26:47We have a few buildings in our portfolio of a similar size.

26:52What we've found is the equipment that you're looking

26:54to put on the roof, generally speaking,

26:57needs horizontal and vertical space for ventilation,

27:00access, servicing, those sorts of things.

27:03In our experience, we've found the sweet spot tends

27:05to be between six and six and a half meters.

27:09When going through this process,

27:11we noted in the bylaw that the height

27:13of the mechanical penthouse was exempt,

27:15so that was our general understanding.

27:19I understand staff's concerns about a,

27:21we call it four and a half meter penthouse

27:23that you may have seen in other buildings.

27:24I would suggest that that's maybe more typical

27:26of smaller buildings with fewer units.

27:29I'll speak to the design and aesthetic aspects.

27:33We care very much about, I'll call it the overall architecture

27:36and the effect that this building will have

27:38on the city skyline.

27:40We will very much work with staff

27:42through the site plan process to ensure that

27:44whatever's going on the roof is appropriately screened

27:47so that any mechanical equipment does not,

27:49I'll call it detract from the overall impression

27:52of the building.

27:54Okay, I appreciate that.

27:56Thank you, Your Worship.

27:57And as a separate note, one of the other items

28:00that you raised about the amount of commercial space

28:03on the main level, could you help me understand

28:06why that changed?

28:08We looked through the application

28:09and it was actually, that number was included

28:11in previous documents and I believe that it was also included

28:14in the public meeting.

28:15So why that changed from 440 to 430?

28:20So I do believe that was a technical error

28:23in our very first submission.

28:25We had the number incorrect and so we're just looking

28:28to rectify, I'll say match the bylaw

28:30to what's on the current set of plans

28:32that was submitted to the city.

28:34Okay, okay, so the floor plans that we saw,

28:37those were 430 not 440 commercial?

28:41Correct.

28:42Okay, okay, thank you.

28:43Thank you, Your Worship.

28:45Thank you.

28:46Kate and then Karan, please.

28:50Thank you, through you, Mr. Mayor.

28:52So all apartments are required to have

28:54about 15% accessible apartments, correct?

29:01By code yes.

29:02Yes.

29:03So just kind of a callback to what Councillor Bustel

29:06was talking about for the accessible bicycles.

29:09So I personally use a trike for balance

29:12and they're becoming way, way more common

29:15in terms for seniors and other folks

29:17and especially if you're trying to have a car free area

29:19with less car parking to get around the downtown

29:23for your grocery shopping and whatnot.

29:26So I'm very much in favor of the staff recommendation

29:29of the 0.6 and that also kind of speaks

29:32to having it closer to the entrance

29:33because a lot of people are using their bikes

29:35kind of as accessibility tools.

29:37So is there a way for you to manage that

29:40with the distance between the door

29:42and having some wider spaces?

29:45So thank you.

29:48A clarification that I'll offer

29:50is on these two points related to bicycle parking,

29:52both the size and the location are speaking to minimums.

29:56So on the alcoholic proximity

29:58to the principal entrance requirement,

30:01the bylaw reads as 25 meters.

30:05As David mentioned that we've got frontages

30:08and frankly entrances on three sides of our buildings.

30:10And so if we had to pick one entrance

30:14and have all of our outdoor bike parking

30:17within 25 meters of the entrance,

30:19that would actually detract from our ability

30:21to provide bike parking around the perimeter of the site

30:23and close to a number of different entrances

30:26to the building.

30:27That's purely the reason that we're asking

30:30for an exemption on that number.

30:34Related to the overall size and the minimum width

30:37of the bike parking stalls is what is standard

30:40in our portfolio is we'll provide a variety

30:42of bike parking options.

30:44So that pertains to trikes,

30:48that pertains to mountain bikes,

30:49that pertains to road bikes.

30:51We have a product in our portfolio

30:54that allows a number of bikes to be stacked

30:56on top of each other.

30:57And the provider and what we've used

31:00on a number of other projects has a minimum width of 0.4.

31:03By no means is that going to be the minimum

31:05across the board.

31:08It just allows us to use the,

31:11I'll say bike stacking option

31:13that we've used on other projects.

31:15Does that address your question?

31:17Yes, so what would be,

31:21what's the spread, right?

31:22How many are going to be 0.4?

31:24And then how many other ones would be 0.6 and larger?

31:29Yeah, off the top of my head,

31:30in terms of the long-term bike stalls,

31:33I would say about 75% in our experience

31:35are the more stacker type.

31:39And then we would provide additional larger

31:41bike parking spaces for those who require them.

31:44The nice thing about bike parking

31:46is it's fairly easy to move around.

31:48So, and it's really based on demand.

31:50So if we find that residents are looking

31:53for a certain type of bike parking over another type,

31:56we do have the flexibility to swap one type of rack

31:59for another.

32:00Again, this is just about securing the minimum dimension

32:02that we're allowed to provide.

32:05Okay, so there's no guarantee

32:07that you would have the wider ones?

32:10We absolutely would have the wider ones.

32:14We'd be willing to commit to a certain percentage

32:17of wider ones if that's what the request is.

32:21It is.

32:22So what would be the percentage?

32:28If we're looking for a certain percentage,

32:31I'll call it larger than 0.6, or sorry, at 0.6 or greater,

32:37I'd offer 15%.

32:40That sounds reasonable to me.

32:41Thank you very much.

32:42Okay.

32:45Thank you so much, Councillor Katelyn

32:46and last I have Councillor Caron.

32:49Thank you.

32:50Thanks for being here this afternoon.

32:52I know one of the things you talked about

32:53in our first meeting when the first proposal came to us,

32:56and I'd ask a question about community energy

32:58and a commitment to our net zero goals.

33:01You indicated that all of that would kind of come out

33:03during the process leading up to site plan.

33:06I know you talked about the rooftop mechanicals

33:08accommodating greater energy efficiency.

33:10And I wonder if you could talk to whether or not

33:12you've been able to achieve any greater commitment

33:15to those goals, because as a rental building,

33:18I think we all agreed that day that affordability

33:21isn't just the cost of rent, it's the cost of utilities,

33:24and that you would be doing everything in your power

33:26to lower the cost of utilities for your tenants.

33:29Yeah, absolutely.

33:30So as a purpose built rental owner, operator, and provider,

33:35we know that any dollar spent upfront

33:39related to the energy efficiency of the building

33:41pays off in spades down the road.

33:43So this actually came up this week

33:44when we were reviewing with our mechanical engineering team

33:46about how to make the building a little bit more energy

33:48efficient.

33:49And this actually ties into our mechanical penthouse

33:52request, because frankly, some of the mechanical units

33:55on the roof operate more efficiently

33:57if they have more room to breathe, so to speak.

33:59So I'll say that's one example of where we get greater energy.

34:04I'll call it energy utilization just

34:07by providing a little bit more room for our mechanical units.

34:11As I believe I covered last time,

34:13I mean, it's standard in our portfolio

34:15for our new buildings to target lead gold.

34:18We find that that additional effort

34:20that we put into the energy optimization

34:23and the overall performance of our building,

34:26it's also frankly a marketing piece that resonates especially

34:30well with students and young professionals that

34:32are looking to live in our building.

34:35Great, thank you for that.

34:36And will you, I know that not all technologies

34:40are fully developed.

34:41Will it be ready for new technology

34:44in terms of the engineering so that as cheaper and more

34:48effective energy solutions are available,

34:50you'll be able to quickly adapt in the lifecycle replacement

34:54cycle?

34:55Absolutely.

34:56I'll say specifically to the lead program,

34:59there's a lot of focus on future proofing your building,

35:03so that as different forms of energy come on board,

35:05you have the ability to tie into those.

35:07OK, that's great.

35:08One last question.

35:09Again, I know we don't get into site plan details here,

35:11but I'll ask it.

35:12I see in the rendering that the rooftop pool amenity is

35:15on the west elevation next to the single detached home

35:21to the east.

35:23And I just wondered whether you're

35:25committed to screening and light remediation

35:28for that amenity space so that it doesn't

35:31impact the neighboring adjacent dwellings for both noise

35:36and light pollution.

35:38So I'll clarify that.

35:41The plans are a bit confusing there.

35:42North is actually on the right side of the page,

35:44so we have ensured that there is sufficient screening

35:47between our building, anyone who's

35:49spending time on the roof, and our neighbors to the north,

35:52specifically directly to the north.

35:55We'll also have appropriate screening

35:57for both wind and shade around the perimeter

36:00of the rooftop amenity.

36:02OK, great.

36:03Thanks.

36:03I know that it was labeled west elevation.

36:05It's confusing.

36:05Yes.

36:06Great.

36:06Thanks so much.

36:09OK.

36:10That's it for questions for you.

36:14But did you want to still do your five minutes,

36:17or do you think everything's good?

36:18May we have two?

36:20You can have up to five.

36:21So we love two.

36:24That's fine.

36:24So come on up.

36:25And as soon as you start speaking, our timer will start.

36:28It's over to you.

36:30OK, perfect.

36:31I just wanted to say thank you to the planning team,

36:34to Kenchin specifically just for the time and effort

36:37and coordination throughout this process.

36:40As you know, this is our first survey building

36:43in the city of Guelph.

36:44So really excited to add new housing rental

36:47supply to the market.

36:49And as we serve the younger demographic,

36:51we are trying to make the building efficient, not just

36:54beautiful, but with mechanical penthouse

36:57at the functionality to the building.

37:00And yeah, thank you very much for getting those details

37:04right as we work through the process.

37:07And yeah, we are very excited to continue working

37:10through the SBE stage.

37:12But it was very a good experience working

37:15with the planning staff on refining those items.

37:18Thank you.

37:21You can have as many minutes as you want when you praise our staff.

37:25Can I have one more, then?

37:26OK, you still have probably three minutes left.

37:30I recognize that we are getting into a few,

37:34a little bit more into the details than you normally

37:36would at this stage of the process.

37:38That's because we're very much a details-focused company

37:41and developer.

37:43We care a lot about the details.

37:44We care a lot about design.

37:46And we care a lot about the communities that we operate in,

37:49which is why we're so excited about this project

37:52and about joining you in the city of Guelph.

37:55So our dealings with staff and council to date have been great.

38:00And we just want to say thank you for your trust in us.

38:04Is there any further?

38:05Oh, Councillor Caton just has a question.

38:07And then back to Boussatil.

38:08OK, yeah, go ahead, Councillor Caton.

38:11My apologies for the late question.

38:13Through you, Mr. Mayor, I was just wondering,

38:15I just seen that your bike parking is being shown on the city

38:19right away.

38:21But I don't see that in the application for zoning changes.

38:27So is that something that's new or is that something

38:29that you're asking for an exception for to have

38:32the bike parking on the city right away?

38:35So again, because we have active frontages on three sides

38:44of the building, including a generous landscape buffer

38:47on the east side of the site, we have requested that bike parking

38:52be permissible within the city property,

38:57or at least the city boulevard.

38:59It would not affect, I'll call it, the sidewalks

39:02or I'll call it the existing right of ways

39:06within or surrounding the building.

39:10And that's also really just to meet

39:11all the short and long term bike requirements

39:14that our site has.

39:16OK, I'll follow up with staff and see

39:17if that causes an issue with our accessibility advisory group.

39:20Thank you.

39:21Sure thing.

39:21I'll just add to that this was a point of discussion

39:24with planning that.

39:25And we really just wanted to clarify these two technical

39:29points at this stage.

39:30And we fully expected to go into more detail around bike

39:34parking during the site plan stage.

39:36Great.

39:36Thank you.

39:41Thank you.

39:41And through the mayor, there was something

39:43you just said a couple of minutes before that reminded me.

39:46The last time you presented, I asked for clarification.

39:49And you just said now that for the students and professionals

39:51living in our building, and my question is,

39:53you know where I'm going, is the building and the facilities

39:57welcoming to families, seniors, everyone of every ability?

40:03Thank you.

40:03So on the subject of future proofing,

40:06it is one of our theories that more and more families will

40:09look to live in buildings such as this, which

40:12is why we typically exceed minimum requirements for two

40:17and three bedroom units, units that are larger than studios

40:21or one bedrooms.

40:22That is the case here.

40:2335% of our proposed units are either two or three bedrooms.

40:26So that's whether that's a group of young professionals

40:29or someone with a young family that have the ability

40:31to live in our building.

40:33Thank you.

40:37Great.

40:38No further questions?

40:40All mine were asked.

40:41So you're good to go.

40:43Thank you very much for being here.

40:48Being a downtown, I'm more putting you on the spot,

40:51but being a downtown development,

40:54would you like to move receipt for approval,

40:56or would you like someone else to?

40:58Yes, I would like to your worship.

40:59The other delegate.

41:00Richardson and San went up beside you as a seconder.

41:04So the staff recommendation is on the floor.

41:06And the other delegate backed out.

41:10No, they were all there, I believe.

41:12Oh, OK.

41:13I don't think I skipped on anybody.

41:14There's just a letter then.

41:15No, we're good.

41:18May I ask questions of staff for your worship?

41:20Now anybody can ask questions.

41:21Go ahead.

41:22Thank you.

41:23Thank you to staff for the work that you've done

41:26to get us here with the applicant.

41:30Focusing on the request that they made,

41:33I did ask about this in the last couple of days.

41:36Could you let me know?

41:36I think you mentioned that some of these

41:38could be addressed down the road with a site plan

41:41or with a minor variance.

41:45Could you tell us what that process would look like

41:47in terms of does it come back to council,

41:50does it go to community of adjustment,

41:51or is it delegated authority for staff?

41:53What would that look like?

41:58Through the mayor to the counselor.

42:00So a couple of these site-specific requests

42:04we have not seen until today, and they've not been evaluated.

42:07And I guess that's our concern at this time.

42:10Councillor Caton mentioned the bike parking

42:12on the municipal right of way.

42:14It's not been evaluated.

42:15We've not talked about encroachment agreements yet.

42:17And certainly anything on the municipal right of way

42:19we would expect would meet municipal standards.

42:21So I think that's the concern at this point in the time

42:23that we haven't seen the details of their bike rack

42:26they're providing or anything to make it a judgment on.

42:29And that we have through this process

42:32ensure that they can go through the typical,

42:35through the OZS stage now

42:37and then go through the normal site plan

42:38as our downtown CPPS is under appeal.

42:42If that was in effect, they could have just done

42:44a quick staff approval in the 45 days.

42:47And that for site plan, minor variance, everything,

42:49but that is unfortunately been appealed right now.

42:53So they would have to go through a minor variance.

42:55So they'd have to make an application

42:56to the committee of adjustment.

42:57But as they go through the process,

42:58there may or may not be other items they need relief from.

43:03We always do caution council when they see renderings

43:07in particular that they're fabulous.

43:10And my hope is they're going to be that.

43:13And if they're not, they'll,

43:14we'll have lots of conversations with us.

43:16But it doesn't mean that is what's going to happen.

43:19As we know, the developer on this site

43:21has changed hands a couple of times

43:24from what we've council may have seen in the past,

43:26but it's not a guarantee that that's going to happen.

43:28And there was a lot of works

43:31in the municipal right of way on the renderings

43:33because the property is asked for a zero setback

43:37that would have to go through a different process

43:40and encroachment agreements.

43:41So they would have time to go through a minor variance

43:43if they do need to go through that process.

43:45But yes, that's a committee of adjustment process.

43:48Okay, thank you very much for that.

43:50I appreciate that.

43:50And your worship, I do have a motion

43:52to bring whenever you'd like

43:55with regards to the mechanical room height.

44:00Okay, I would suggest that that might be separate,

44:04like a standalone motion after these are considered.

44:07So just remind me to go back to,

44:11would it be an amendment?

44:14Yeah, to planning staff, that would be an amendment.

44:20Through the mayor, yes, that would be an amendment

44:21to the recommendations.

44:23Oh, by the way, I wasn't trying to say

44:25that the clerks were wrong or something.

44:27You're good, you're good.

44:29Okay, okay, well, why don't we just allow some of the questions

44:35just to continue, I'll come right back to you.

44:37Then you can move the amendment

44:38and then we can do the main motion as amended, okay?

44:41I'm really sorry, I saw another hand go up,

44:43Kate and then Alt, and then Pusatel, okay?

44:49Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

44:49I was just gonna let you know

44:50that I also am working on amendment

44:52for the commitment of the 15% bike parking.

44:56But I will need some time.

44:58So I'm just letting you know that it's in the works.

45:01Okay, no problem.

45:02Thanks.

45:03I'll go to Alt with the question.

45:05And thank you very much, Mayor Guthrie,

45:07through you two staff.

45:10After the comments, the remarks that you just made,

45:13I am wondering if you could please provide an opinion

45:16on the motion that is in front of us.

45:18Are the changes that you heard for the first time today

45:21substantive enough that that motion still stands or not?

45:28Sorry, just to be clear, Councillor Allt,

45:32there is no motion on the floor for any of those items

45:36that were brought forward by the delegates.

45:39So we're not talking about any of those at all.

45:45So I'm just saying that they're out of order

45:47if you're referencing your question

45:49about issues that aren't on the table as a motion.

45:52No, I'm referring to comments from Ms. Wolke

45:55as to the motion that is currently on the order paper.

46:01Is the motion still stand?

46:04So the motion is the staff recommendation.

46:06That's currently on the floor

46:07and clearly staff are in support of that.

46:13Okay.

46:14Councillor Bristol.

46:16Thank you.

46:17And through the mayor,

46:18I would really appreciate hearing from staff

46:20on the four requests, some feedback on each of those

46:25to help me understand that's a bit better.

46:31Okay, I'll, through the mayor, I'll start,

46:33but I might look at staffing in the middle,

46:35a little elbow as we go through.

46:39The first request was the commercial space

46:42from 440 square meters minimum to 430.

46:47Staff did take the 440 square meters

46:50from their planning justification report

46:52and from their plans.

46:53So that the typo, I think as was indicated, was on their end.

46:57But if it's a 440 to 430,

47:01staff would not have any concerns over that.

47:06When we see detailed drawings, it could be for 28,

47:09it could be 454.

47:10We don't have those details yet in front of us,

47:13but that one seems minor.

47:15And I believe them when they indicated it was a typo

47:18in their applications.

47:21For the 4.5 meters in mechanical penthouse,

47:29we are currently reviewing the 55 Baker Street application.

47:32It is 19 stories.

47:33It has a 4.5 meter mechanical penthouse.

47:37We have also, through this application,

47:40allowed in that space some usable amenity area

47:45for the rooftop common amenities,

47:48for the pool, et cetera.

47:49We've got change rooms and some public space up there

47:54that we have allowed.

47:55Typically that would be another story.

47:57So we have accommodated that within that

48:00without counting it as another story.

48:03So that's why we're also saying that 6.5 meters.

48:06In reality, that's two full stories of height.

48:09So an average story is three meters.

48:12So they're asking for two full stories

48:14of mechanical penthouse.

48:15We do have others who are able to make it.

48:17So staff are standing behind their recommendation,

48:21but while the will of council can decide

48:24on what is the appropriate height based on

48:26what the applicant has indicated to go forward.

48:29For the two bike parking regulations,

48:35that is where staff is not comfortable

48:39recommending that those changes.

48:40We've not seen the plans.

48:42We've not talked to them about encroachment

48:43where they're going to be.

48:45If they can accommodate them on their site,

48:47that's one thing.

48:49If they can accommodate them on their site

48:50in the miscible right of way,

48:51we'd certainly want to be able to meet our standards.

48:54We are just proud that we have settled those standards

48:58and we're able to implement them.

49:01So we don't know what those are going to look like.

49:05I don't know what particular rack he's proposing.

49:09So at this point, we would like it to meet our standards.

49:12And if they're on their private lands,

49:15then they do have a two meter setback on the east side,

49:19but the rest would appear certainly

49:22to be a zero meter setback based on the drawings

49:24they've submitted to you for review.

49:28Thank you.

49:29And just a supplemental through the mayor,

49:30just around the rooftop, the amenities,

49:34but also the, whatever, it's mechanical.

49:38Thank you.

49:39Can you comment on the justification of efficiency

49:43or you don't have any information?

49:44Can you just give us some indication of that?

49:47Yes, sorry to the councillor through the mayor.

49:50I can't comment on that.

49:52Okay. And just finally, if council says, no, this is,

49:56we're supporting the staff recommendation.

49:59What are the next steps for the developer

50:01who may through the process need some additional,

50:04is it through site plan?

50:06Is it through committee of adjustment?

50:07Can you just, you know, map that out for me please?

50:13Through the mayor to the councillor.

50:14So the next step in the process is site plan approval.

50:18And as part of the site plan approval,

50:21then they'd be certainly talking to us

50:23about encroachment agreements.

50:25If they do need variances,

50:27they can always go to the committee of adjustment

50:29and apply for variances or for relief

50:31for any of those items.

50:33And then staff would be able to comment

50:35through that recommendation to the committee of adjustment

50:38and whether we were supportive or not.

50:41So it is a separate process they would have to go through.

50:45Thank you. So just so I'm clear,

50:47if council says we're going to support

50:49the staff recommendations,

50:50there's still processes to facilitate

50:55the desired kind of outcomes.

50:58Through the mayor to the council, yes or no?

51:00Thank you.

51:02Great.

51:03I'm seeing no more questions,

51:05but I did have a couple and just going to follow

51:08with councillor Busuttil just asked.

51:10So I just wondered about timing.

51:13So I knew about the process of site plan

51:17and committee of adjustment.

51:18But from a timing perspective,

51:21do you know what the sort of scheduling is

51:24for committee of the adjustment right now?

51:26And I know that they can pay fees

51:27or maybe quicker processes or not,

51:30but what are we looking at here?

51:33Three months, six months, two months.

51:37So through to the mayor,

51:38typically committee of adjustment processes is 60 days

51:42and we'll be working with them for at least that first,

51:46if not longer for site plan

51:47and through certainly for the encroachment agreements

51:49will take some time to establish as well.

51:51Yeah. And that leads me to my last question,

51:53which was just, is it a parallel thing

51:57or does one have to go before the other?

51:58So does site plan have to be approved

52:01and then they can go to committee of adjustment?

52:03Could they go to committee of adjustment in 60 days?

52:06Hypothetically.

52:07And then still do site plan.

52:09And I think, and I'm so sorry,

52:11I maybe should have asked you when you were at the microphone,

52:13but I think last time we were here,

52:14either I or one of my colleagues asked,

52:17how quick can we see this building kind of go?

52:20And I think I remember it be about a year, I think.

52:23Am I right?

52:24I got a thumbs up there that it'd be about a year.

52:26So can you just talk to me about sort of what's in parallel,

52:30what has to go first or what can go first?

52:34Through the mayor.

52:35So through a, like a pre-con for site plan,

52:38we could identify the specific variances that we would need

52:41and we'd be able to look at the details

52:42and then they could go to committee of adjustment

52:44in advance of a formal site plan application or approval.

52:48So they can do that.

52:49They can run them concurrently

52:50if that's what they want as well.

52:53So we can do it that way as well.

52:56Okay.

52:57Great.

52:58Thank you very much.

52:59All right.

53:00So we do have the main motion,

53:02which is to recommend the approval from staff.

53:05It's on the floor.

53:06Councillor Gowar, you wanted to speak

53:08about a potential amendment.

53:11Councillor Caton, I hope I've talked slow enough

53:13to allow you to maybe get an amendment down as well.

53:17So we'll start with you, Councillor Gowar,

53:19and we'll do your amendment first.

53:21Thank you, Your Worship.

53:22If I could ask the clerks to please pull it up.

53:25And this amendment, what it does is it changes

53:29the restriction that was put in,

53:31and instead of capping the height of the mechanical

53:33at 4.5, it's capped at six.

53:38Although the developer has said

53:39that they usually go up to six and a half,

53:42they said they could make it work within six meters

53:45to give us a greater energy efficiency for the building.

53:49And I believe I may have a seconder for this one.

53:53Councillor Richardson.

53:55Great, thank you.

53:56May I, sorry, may I interject with just a simple request

54:01from me to get to approval?

54:04I don't know, I can't speak for anyone else,

54:06but for me, just wondering, I would prefer if the,

54:09because I want to approve, I want to try to get there,

54:11but I was wondering if you'd be willing

54:13to do up to six meters.

54:16Absolutely.

54:17Because as the developer then works with their engineer

54:20and works with staff, and if their engineer can figure out

54:24the mechanical at 5.2 or at five,

54:28then I'd rather say that than to just say you get six.

54:32So I would feel more comfortable if it said up to.

54:36Would you be willing to do that?

54:37Absolutely, and would the clerks be able to?

54:40Well, if the mover and seconder are shaking heads

54:44in improvement, could I just ask you to remove the motion

54:46and then we can just table the amendment with that language?

54:49Let's do that.

54:51Okay, so I have to formally ask.

54:54To the mover, are you okay to remove?

54:56Seconder, are you okay to remove?

54:58Counsel, are you okay with that?

55:01Okay, thank you.

55:01So technically it's off the table.

55:03So now you're gonna move it with the words up to six meters.

55:06I'll turn the microphone back over.

55:08Yes, your worship, I'd like to move a motion

55:10that changes the sentence, not with something

55:12of any other provision.

55:13And the Sonium Biler rooftop mechanical shall be

55:17up to six meters.

55:20And Richardson, you'll still second that then.

55:23All right, thanks everyone.

55:24Sorry, I jumped in there right away.

55:26But Councillor Allt just has a quick question of staff on it.

55:29Thank you very much, Mayor Guthrie,

55:31through you to staff.

55:33I was wondering if you would have any comments

55:35related to this and the potential as a precedent

55:39with regards to anything else that is being considered

55:42in perhaps the downtown core or elsewhere.

55:50Through the mayor to the councillor,

55:52we do look at every application

55:54as an independent application

55:55and that would be our standard response for this.

55:58Thank you.

55:59Okay, thank you, Councillor Allt.

56:00I'd like to call the question then on the amendment.

56:03Is that okay?

56:05The general commenters.

56:06Just through the mayor, thank you for making

56:08that amendment or suggesting that amendment

56:11because I wouldn't be able to support it otherwise.

56:13I appreciate that.

56:15And with respect to the developers,

56:17thank you for working so greatly with our staff,

56:20really looking forward to this project.

56:24Thank you, Councillor.

56:25Okay, let me just call the vote on the amendment then

56:27to the up to six meters, okay?

56:29Is anybody against that?

56:33Okay, so nobody that's unanimous.

56:35Okay, did you have another one?

56:37Oh, okay, sorry.

56:38Councillor Caton, keep working on your motion.

56:42Councillor Goller, go ahead.

56:44Thank you, your worship.

56:45As the staff was answering other responses,

56:48I heard them accept that they had no significant concerns

56:53about the change from 440 to 430.

56:55So I just sent it off to staff if we could.

56:58And understanding that there's an opportunity

57:01to make these changes on the road,

57:03I think if we can remove a little bit

57:05of the bureaucracy from it and just do it now,

57:08I think that would be helpful to help the project.

57:11So this motion just changes the number 440 to 430

57:14to acknowledge that there was a typo

57:16in the original application and this corrects it.

57:19And if I could have a seconder for...

57:21Councillor Alder had whispered

57:23that he'd be willing to second that.

57:24So I'll confirm that.

57:28I think I can call the vote on this one, everybody.

57:30Yep.

57:31Okay, is anybody against this amendment?

57:34That's unanimous as well.

57:35That's great.

57:36Can I go to Councillor Caton now?

57:38Yeah, okay.

57:39Councillor Caton, over to you.

57:43Thank you.

57:44Just wait for clerks to bring it up.

57:46And this is thanks to the incredible

57:50multi-tasking skills of Miss Wauke.

57:53Who's able to talk and type at the same time,

57:55which is not my forte.

57:57So it is that the decision report,

58:0170 Fountain Street East proposed official plan

58:03and zoning bylaw amendments,

58:052026-310 be amended to include the following.

58:09That short-term parking have a minimum of 15%

58:12of the larger bike parking to accommodate

58:14the larger bikes and accessible bikes

58:16and that they be accommodated

58:17on the private development portion.

58:19And I believe Councillor Arlton was gonna be my seconder.

58:24Yep, whispered to me saying that he'd be willing

58:26to do that, so that's perfect.

58:28And thank you for that amendment.

58:30Is there any questions on that particular one?

58:33Okay, just Guller, go ahead.

58:35Thank you, Chair Worship.

58:37And if I could, if you could please help me

58:39understand Councillor, why are you asking

58:42that they be held within the private part of it?

58:45If there's a public boulevard

58:48and they may be able to have an encroachment agreement,

58:50could you help me understand the rationale

58:52for making that restriction here?

58:57Yes, because planning staff said

58:59that they haven't been able to evaluate that.

59:01So without their evaluation,

59:04I don't think that that's appropriate for us

59:06to be mandating as okay,

59:08because we haven't had the chance

59:10for the accessibility advisory council

59:11or any of those other groups to take a look at it.

59:14So that's something that they can request from staff later

59:18if there is going to be an encroachment agreement,

59:20but in the meantime, I don't feel comfortable

59:22saying that that's okay without the due diligence.

59:25Okay, perfect.

59:26And if I could just double check with that,

59:27I just wanna make sure that this doesn't prevent

59:29an encroachment agreement down the road.

59:33Through the mayor to note to the Councillor,

59:34and it does give us time to actually look at a site plan

59:38without just kind of making recommendations

59:40without having plans or details in front of us,

59:42which is always difficult.

59:46Okay, thank you.

59:47So I will call the vote on this,

59:51but just before I do, just 10 seconds.

59:53I actually think this is a good idea.

59:58When I went to some other cities and such like that,

1:00:02I actually heard other cities doing this type of work

1:00:06because 10 years ago,

1:00:09who would have thought that cargo bikes could be e-bikes?

1:00:13And so they're like much more easier now

1:00:16to buy like a cargo bike or a wider bike with the battery.

1:00:20And so many more people are buying these like larger style

1:00:24bikes because they wanna get around

1:00:26and be able to shop or do things without the car.

1:00:30And so then when it comes to the sort of the parking,

1:00:33it's slow, I get that it's slow,

1:00:35but it's a growing sort of sector.

1:00:38And I think it's probably wise to dedicate

1:00:41a certain percentage like this.

1:00:43So if any other developers are listening,

1:00:45you might wanna consider a similar approach here,

1:00:48but just because it is something that's a growing thing.

1:00:51The accessibility part is very real,

1:00:52but it's beyond the accessibility part

1:00:54that a lot of people are choosing sort of

1:00:57the larger bikes now.

1:00:58So okay, with that, I'll call the vote on this amendment.

1:01:03Is anyone against this amendment

1:01:05for the bicycle percentage parking?

1:01:10Okay, that's unanimous as well.

1:01:12So that's great.

1:01:13So is there any more amendments at all on this one?

1:01:18Doesn't look like it.

1:01:19So I'll just get ready to call the vote then

1:01:24on the main motion now as amended.

1:01:26Yep.

1:01:27And we heard some great comments from Councillor Busuttil

1:01:32already about thanking the developer

1:01:35with the work with staff.

1:01:37But is there any other comments just before I call the vote

1:01:40on the main motion as amended?

1:01:42I'll start with Councillor Kerron, please.

1:01:44Thanks, Mirka, three.

1:01:45And certainly this particular application,

1:01:48I think kind of demands some commentary

1:01:50because when we first saw it,

1:01:52there was a lot of visual shock for many of us.

1:01:54We've never had a building of this height before.

1:01:57And I for one was like, oh, we can't do this downtown

1:02:00on a hill and we heard a lot from the community

1:02:04about what an impact that this could have

1:02:06on our downtown negatively and positively.

1:02:08And over the course of this application,

1:02:12coming to us today,

1:02:13we've seen a lot of work on behalf of the builder

1:02:15and I thank them for that.

1:02:17I think we with setbacks and urban design,

1:02:21we've managed to alleviate a lot of the original problems

1:02:24that we perhaps anticipated in this project.

1:02:28I think also times have changed.

1:02:30And sometimes even planning decisions

1:02:32have to incorporate public benefit,

1:02:35the fact that this is rental housing.

1:02:37Regardless of who lives there,

1:02:38this is within our downtown and in our transit quarter.

1:02:41So I am going to support this application

1:02:43because there is a higher public benefit.

1:02:45We did pass the downtown height bylaw

1:02:48and that was all knowing that this application was coming.

1:02:52So I thanks to everyone involved

1:02:54in bringing it forward to us today.

1:02:57Great, thank you very much for those comments.

1:03:00Is there anything further before I call the vote?

1:03:03All right, you get me.

1:03:06I'm pretty excited about this.

1:03:09Our city is growing up.

1:03:13And I am very, very excited to see height

1:03:17in the downtown core like this.

1:03:20This speaks to everything that many of us

1:03:23speak about all the time.

1:03:25We want more people living in the downtown.

1:03:27It's better environmentally instead of sprawl.

1:03:30You know, it's promoting active transportation.

1:03:34It's right beside our transit system.

1:03:36It's in a strategic growth area.

1:03:39When you have more people living downtown,

1:03:40it supports businesses in the downtown.

1:03:43The public realm gets beautified.

1:03:45I think this is amazing.

1:03:48And this is the heavy lifting of work

1:03:50on a policy decision.

1:03:53I don't know how long ago it was, but many years ago,

1:03:57we made a policy decision to look at the heights

1:04:01in the downtown core because the original secondary plan

1:04:04for the downtown was getting stale dated.

1:04:06It was getting old.

1:04:08It was actually pushing the envelope many years ago.

1:04:11And we saw the uptake.

1:04:12And now we said we got to have sort of 2.0, right?

1:04:15We got to have more height in strategic areas

1:04:17within the downtown to try to attract

1:04:19the type of developments that our city needs.

1:04:22We did that policy work and now we have this.

1:04:25This is amazing.

1:04:27And you've never, you said you've never built here before,

1:04:29but in my interactions, hearing from staff and yourself

1:04:32and how you've delegated.

1:04:34And I think you're great.

1:04:36I have a lot of trust in you based on the interactions

1:04:40here that you're going to follow through and make

1:04:42a really great product.

1:04:44And I'm thankful that you've chosen our downtown.

1:04:47There's many cities you can go to.

1:04:49And you've chosen to come to GOLF and build this.

1:04:51This is fantastic.

1:04:53So thank you very, very much.

1:04:54I'm very excited to say yes to this build.

1:04:58And I really hope that that year comes around fast.

1:05:01And I can start to see a crane in the sky.

1:05:04We need more cranes in the sky in our downtown core.

1:05:06Big time.

1:05:07So thank you very much.

1:05:09With that, I'll call the vote.

1:05:10Is anyone against?

1:05:13You nannies.

1:05:15There you go.

1:05:18You can leave now.

1:05:22Thank you very much.

1:05:23OK, so we will go to, what's the next one here?

1:05:27Oh, me.

1:05:28OK.

1:05:30This one is the potential opportunity