CAO Recruitment, Selection and Performance Sub-Committee approve the proposed CAO Recruitment timeline and schedule as presented at their March 26…

5:33And just before I continue,

5:35I just want to welcome Councillor Caton.

5:37We'll be kind of stepping in to take over for Chair Karan

5:45as she's got some conflicts in regards

5:48to the recruitment process.

5:50And so Erin is going to be jumping in.

5:53So thank you for joining us, Councillor Caton,

5:56and we look forward to you being on the committee.

6:03So we have a recommendation based on the staff report.

6:08And maybe if I could just as the Chair,

6:10just give a little bit of a preamble for a moment

6:14and my feelings about the process.

6:17And then I'll maybe turn it over to our CAO

6:19with some comments, and then we can look to see

6:20if there's anyone that wants to table the recommendation.

6:24So really there's lots of options

6:26that are in front of us that we could choose.

6:29Inside, only going with an external third party

6:33that's known or kind of cast the net wide

6:36to see if there's another external third party consultant

6:39that could help us with this recruitment process.

6:44You know, my in discussions with both staff

6:48and with the CAO, based also on the last two times

6:52that I've been here through this process,

6:54it seems relevant and appropriate to me

6:57to continue to do what we did the last couple of times,

6:59which is to spread the net wide

7:01and to allow a consultant that gets chosen

7:05based on the criteria that we're looking for

7:07and then to use that consultant

7:09to kind of help us through the whole process.

7:11There is some costs to this process,

7:15but I feel that it's warranted.

7:17This does not happen all the time.

7:19It can be accommodated within the HR budget.

7:23And so there's kind of an up to amount that could be used.

7:28And I think that there is just a lot of validity

7:30and positivity and benefits that come

7:32with a external consultant that could help us through this.

7:35A different lens, I could maybe put it that way.

7:37There's a different lens that can offer some good insights.

7:40So that's kind of my feeling.

7:43If we do go with that recommendation,

7:46which happens to be the staff recommendation

7:48that's in the report, then within a few weeks,

7:50we'll get an answer back.

7:52We will come back together again

7:54and kind of really kick off things formally

7:56from that point forward.

7:57So that's the list of the report

8:00and where I think we should go as a committee.

8:02Scott, I will turn it over to you

8:04just to see if you have any comments as well.

8:06Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

8:07I'll say you're a wise man.

8:08I think that's great advice for the committee.

8:10There's certainly details, of course.

8:12And a couple of things here then today.

8:14So I'm just so that you sort of get a sense

8:17of where we're at staff wise too.

8:19I'm sitting in as a signatory to the report

8:22and that was done just so that we wanted to make sure

8:24there was no perceived or otherwise potential conflict

8:27of interest where it would normally be signed off

8:29by the DCO of corporate services

8:32because that individual may or may not be someone

8:36that throws their hat in the ring.

8:37So, you know, I won't be.

8:38So that's then a good safe place for me

8:40to sign off on this report.

8:42We're going to be in very capable hands.

8:44You've likely saw a notice that Stephen O'Brien

8:47has taken on this acting role in terms of HR.

8:50And so we've had some good discussions behind the scenes

8:53on moving that through.

8:54And Mr. O'Brien's got a couple of details

8:57that he'll put on the screen when we hand it off

8:59to him, Mr. Mayor, as well.

9:01That will be helpful.

9:03And I think, you know, after today,

9:05you're likely on the cusp.

9:07Once you make the decisions today,

9:09you're likely on the cusp of a lot of in-camera discussions

9:13because now you'll be dealing with the,

9:15if you go down the recommended path,

9:17you'll be dealing with the headhunters

9:20or the executive search firm.

9:21And then there's some privacy matters that come into play.

9:24And I know you would recognize that.

9:27And I think this will likely be the last one I attend.

9:29So unless there's some, unless there's just some authority

9:34needed for me to sign off on contracts,

9:36that will probably be the extent of my role after today.

9:39Unless, of course, you've got specific questions

9:41of me along the way,

9:42but you likely won't see me pop into these meetings

9:45after today.

9:46And so with that, Mr. Mayor,

9:48if you're comfortable,

9:49if we can hand it off to Stephen

9:51and he can walk you through some thoughts

9:53that are helpful just to wrap around this recommendation

9:56that's in front of you today.

9:58Thank you, C.A.O. Stewart.

9:59And through you, Mr. Chair, Mayor Guthrie,

10:01to the committee, everything that you've mentioned

10:04and alluded to, Mr. Mayor,

10:05is pretty much accurate and contained within the report.

10:09All the details are there.

10:10You have the staff recommendation.

10:12We do have a bit of a chart of dates to share.

10:16And I will ask that the clerk's team do that

10:18when the time comes.

10:19But what I'll mention before I start diving into that,

10:24this will be a fairly aggressive pace at which we move.

10:29So I wanted to make sure that we share with you

10:32those dates and those timings

10:34so that we can ensure that you secure that.

10:36The one recommendation that is not on the staff report

10:39that I would also look to the committee to move

10:41is simply to adopt that schedule as the go forward

10:44with obviously recognition that it might need be

10:47some flexibility that we manage within that.

10:49But that will ensure that you can get those times

10:52in your calendar as a committee

10:53and we can move at that pace that I think you need to.

10:57Mr. Stewart, as you're well aware,

10:58has given a line in the sand, so to speak, come July.

11:03We're working very diligently, obviously,

11:05to make sure that the city has good continuity

11:08in the role of C.A.O. after Mr. Stewart

11:11decides to depart the city after a well-deserved career

11:15in the public service.

11:16So that's really the impetus for the moving

11:19and the pace that we're at.

11:20But I'll turn it back to you

11:22and I'll answer any questions initially.

11:23And then perhaps once I've answered any questions,

11:25if there are any, I'll have the city clerk's office staff

11:27pull up that chart and I can walk you through that briefly

11:31and we'll take it from there.

11:33So back to you, Mr. Mayor, thank you.

11:35Great, thank you.

11:36Why don't we simplify this

11:38and at least just put the recommendation down

11:40on the floor if someone would be willing to do that for me.

11:43Okay, Chair O'Rourke and seconder for that.

11:48Councillor Caiten, thank you.

11:51Maybe we could get this portion accomplished

11:55and then we can go to the calendar

11:56or the schedule secondary to that, okay?

11:59Before I call the vote on just the recommendation

12:01on the floor, is there a question?

12:04Yeah, Councillor Allt, I mean Chair Allt, go ahead.

12:07Thank you very much, Mayor Guthrie.

12:09A question through you to Mr. O'Brien

12:13and it might need Mr. Stewart to also weigh in.

12:18I understand the requirements for a tight schedule,

12:22but related to that, I also am wondering

12:27whether we have the latitude to consider

12:29if we are not satisfied to possibly put someone

12:34in an interim role while we continue a search.

12:41Through you, Mr. Mayor, to the question from the Councillor,

12:43it's certainly something that we can cross

12:45that bridge as we get there.

12:46That might need to be the case.

12:48We're working again towards the line in the sand

12:51is the term I used, we'll work towards that.

12:53We also need to be mindful of,

12:56and actually Mr. Stewart alluded to it,

12:57we need to be mindful of who may be interested

13:00in coming forward to express an interest

13:02in putting their name through the recruitment process.

13:05And we'll have to balance all those things, Councillor Allt,

13:07but those are all things that we've contemplated,

13:09that we're aware of.

13:11We know that when we might have to action

13:14those kind of pathways and we'll make sure

13:16that the committee has ample information

13:19about that as we move through the process.

13:21Thank you for that response.

13:24I just want to make certain,

13:25just like we did last time with Mr. Stewart,

13:28that we do it right and if we need more time,

13:31I would rather take the long route to getting it right.

13:36Yeah, absolutely. Thank you.

13:38So any other questions?

13:39Yep, go ahead, Chair Orr.

13:42Thanks, Murgat three.

13:43So this question is specific to the recommendation.

13:47I'll have other questions in terms of process.

13:52This asks staff to bring back three executive search

13:57from quotations to present free valuation.

14:00Does that also include that members of this committee

14:02can do like a half hour interview

14:04with each one of those firms that are shortlisted?

14:06And the value in that is that we can see

14:10what the different approaches are.

14:12So we don't know what we don't know at this point.

14:14And so I'm wondering if that is the intent

14:18and if not to flag that,

14:21I think that would be an important option to consider.

14:25That's through you, Mr. Mayor to Chair Orr.

14:27Yes, that's built in.

14:28So it's not simply just gathering a document

14:31with a quote and some bulleted notes at all.

14:34What our intent is to approach these organizations

14:38and have them be available to the committee

14:41to offer a quick presentation.

14:44So they'll have the opportunity

14:46to ideally appear before the committee.

14:48And you can then ask questions of them.

14:50That will help you again, understand the process,

14:53understand the different options

14:54or the different approaches that might be available

14:56or that they might recommend pursuing.

14:58And then that will then collapse into making a decision

15:02on which firm to pursue and use.

15:05Great, I'm just trying to ascertain the degree

15:07to which the committee is involved

15:08in the selection of the firm and so all the way through.

15:11My other question is, and you can tell me

15:13if this is more into the details after the motion is passed,

15:17but will that recruitment firm report to this committee

15:20or will it report to staff?

15:22Is the staff role an administrative committee

15:25or an administrative one to keep, you know,

15:27schedule and get everybody lined up?

15:31Because I think there's value again

15:32in this committee hearing unfiltered from the recruiters.

15:37Yeah, through you, Mr. Mayor.

15:38Yeah, the answer is yes in a short answer, absolutely.

15:42We understand the process or the need to ensure

15:45that the work is shepherded and ushered along

15:48in a sort of an expeditious way,

15:50acknowledging Councillor Alts comments about doing it right.

15:53So getting it expeditiously wrapped up,

15:55but also doing it correctly and as required

15:58and as this position demands

15:59and the role that this committee plays

16:00in terms of overall governance for the city.

16:05This recruitment firm will report directly to this committee.

16:09This committee has the authority to make,

16:11to work through that process as delegated by Council

16:14and then the final recommendation will be made

16:18to Council from this committee.

16:20It in regards to a successful candidate

16:22through the recruitment process.

16:23We will play a role in supporting.

16:24We will make sure that you have all the information you need

16:27and it's presented in a timely fashion,

16:29but you'll be able to ask, you know, unfettered questions

16:33and ideally get unfettered advice back

16:35from that recruitment firm.

16:36Great, thank you.

16:40Great, there's nothing further than on the recommendation.

16:42How about we go ahead and at least get that out of the way

16:44before the schedule comes up on the screen?

16:46So I'll vote, I'll call the vote on that.

16:48Is anyone against that recommendation?

16:52So that's unanimous, that's great.

16:55So maybe to the clerks,

16:56you could throw that schedule up on the screen.

16:58I'll turn the microphone back over to you, Stephen.

17:01Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

17:01So before you, committee is a schedule,

17:04you can see the date today is that first row, row one.

17:08Beyond that are seven extra additional rows

17:11or sort of gates through this process.

17:13Our next objective will be to have a meeting

17:15on April 17th at about 10 a.m.

17:17And that will be to select effectively

17:20an executive search firm based on that gathered

17:22quotation information and further

17:24to your question, Councilwork.

17:25That's the spot in time where we believe

17:28that you'll have an opportunity to engage

17:30with the potential vendors that are reviewed

17:34and brought forward.

17:36You'll then enter into a discussion

17:37with that the selected search firm

17:39to contemplate questions and qualifications

17:42and skill sets that you're looking for

17:45in the next Chief Administrative Officer for the city.

17:48That follows through with obviously vetting,

17:51interview questions, et cetera.

17:53We're looking to target first round interviews

17:56for the CAO during the week of June 24th.

17:59All of these dates have been selected

18:01because they align generally with existing dates

18:04of Council meetings.

18:05We felt that that was most conducive

18:07for the committee members.

18:08They don't always obviously align

18:10with existing committee schedule meetings,

18:12but they're on the same days.

18:13We're trying to do some of this work in the morning.

18:15Obviously we need to get, when we get to interviews,

18:17we're gonna need a good portion of each of those days.

18:19So we've got estimated windows within that period.

18:23We've allowed for second round interviews as well.

18:26That may be something that the committee

18:27wishes to pursue.

18:29We've also contemplated and it was mentioned

18:32in the staff report, psychometric testing, et cetera,

18:35if that's something that the committee's interested in.

18:37These are all conversations that can be had

18:39with the executive search firm once it's selected.

18:42And then our ideal approach is to have a candidate

18:45recommended to Council for their July 9th,

18:482024 Council planning meeting.

18:50That does only leave two weeks of time between, again,

18:54I'll use the gentle term, line in the sand.

18:57But we will obviously need to be a little bit flexible.

19:00And so there's the schedule before you.

19:01I'm happy to answer any questions you have.

19:03We will make the schedule publicly available on gooff.ca

19:06so that it's viewable and understandable.

19:09And we will also have a motion,

19:12I'm gonna suggest to the committee a motion

19:14to allow us to place these firmly in the committee's

19:17calendars and a little bit of administrative flexibility

19:20to move some of those dates and times around,

19:22obviously with ample warning to the committee.

19:25But we're looking to sort of secure this

19:27in a timely fashion, but also allow a little bit

19:29of flexibility where we might need to adjust

19:31some of these dates and times.

19:33So I'm happy to answer any questions

19:34if there's questions on the proposed schedule.

19:39Thanks, Margarit, through you to Mr. O'Brien.

19:44Can you help me understand when the stakeholder

19:47conversations will take place?

19:49Because I would imagine those feed into the development

19:53of the CEO profile that has to be included

19:55in the candidates brief to the market, right?

19:58So are we doing the stakeholder engagement

20:03while we're also looking for the search firm

20:05so that we have some of that input?

20:08Or are we waiting for the search firm to say,

20:10these are the types of questions you should be asking

20:12in that consultation?

20:13Can you help me understand what the stakeholder

20:16consultation piece, I think it's important to do,

20:20but how does it fit in here?

20:22Thank you for the question, Councilman,

20:24through you, Chair Guthrie.

20:26We will very likely need to be contacting

20:29some of those stakeholders that are outlined

20:30in the report sooner than later,

20:32and in advance of an executive search firm,

20:34just to advise that there might be some questions coming

20:36so that they're aware,

20:37and they can begin to wrap their heads around it.

20:39This information is public and it's on the public agenda,

20:41so they can read through the staff report

20:44in the same way we've reviewed it today with you.

20:47The real work for the executive search firm

20:50will be between that April 17th date

20:53and the May 16th date.

20:55When we're looking at what kind of questions

20:57you might want to be asking of potential candidates,

21:00what qualifications are you looking for?

21:02And so once we sort of queue the external stakeholders,

21:06we'll make sure that they're aware

21:08that these questions are coming,

21:09and very early on with all of the executive search firms,

21:14we will make them aware that that's a requirement as well.

21:16And so they'll know that even before

21:18they may be selected as the preferred candidate,

21:21and that will allow them to hit the ground running

21:23as an executive search firm to then engage

21:25with those third parties and those stakeholder groups

21:30that we've identified in the report.

21:32Okay, through you, Mayor Guthrie.

21:33So the executive search firm will do those consultations

21:36and then propose a profile,

21:38or the members of this committee will propose a profile?

21:45So through you, Mr. Mayor,

21:46I think that's part of the ongoing discussion.

21:48When you have the executive search firm in,

21:52part of your evaluation won't just be the dollars and cents,

21:55that is certainly a part of it,

21:57but what do they bring to this particular process?

22:00And I think it's gonna be important for you to,

22:02you might look one better than the other

22:04just based on how they want to engage stakeholders.

22:08And so there's a bit of difficulty here.

22:10Some of this will be a parallel process until it isn't.

22:14And you might hear some of them say,

22:16we think you should just embed it into the job description

22:19so that whoever's applying knows,

22:21or there's maybe another way to do it.

22:23I think that's the value of what's your comfort,

22:27and then what are they bringing?

22:28So part of the unknown is we haven't got the,

22:31the next meeting you'll have the search firms.

22:34I think these are great,

22:35these will be great questions there

22:37so that as a group, when they're done,

22:39you're able to pick one of them.

22:41And it may come down to simply,

22:43we like the style of doing this thing better,

22:46and in the engagement piece and how it all fits in.

22:49And of course, what Mr. O'Brien's tried to do,

22:52he's tried to put some Gantt charts in there as well.

22:55And maybe there'll be some other moments in there

22:57that you have to maybe meet in between

22:59some of the bigger dates if there's a process

23:02to get it into the actual job description.

23:04So there's a bit of unknown,

23:06but I think you're on there,

23:07and we'll see what others are saying too,

23:09but I think you're on the right path.

23:11And I think you'll have a lot of this information

23:14just be right in front of you after that morning.

23:17I think it's morning that you meet

23:18with the executive search firms,

23:21and then you'll know at that point,

23:23there's a bit of trust the process

23:26to get to that point, Councillor O'Rourke,

23:28but it's not trust the process after that.

23:31You'll be making a pick based on

23:33how they deliver the presentation to you.

23:36And just the last question, Mayor Guthrie,

23:38how do we ensure through the process,

23:40and this may be a question for us to ask the search firms,

23:42but how do we ensure that we're casting them really wide,

23:45and we're ensuring a diverse pool of candidates?

23:49Through you, Mr. Mayor,

23:50that's a great question to ask the search firm.

23:52The reality is these organizations operate in that space.

23:56They're familiar with,

23:57and the report sort of leads to passive recruitment

24:00versus more active recruitment.

24:03Much of what we would do as an organization

24:04is make a posting for many of the positions we have.

24:07We do certainly engage executive search firms.

24:09The benefit that they bring is they can connect

24:12with folks in their network,

24:14individuals that may have been involved in other searches,

24:18to effectively sell the opportunity that is this role

24:22that the committee will be working through.

24:24So it's a little bit more of an active process,

24:26and that's, so yes, that's something

24:28that you can certainly discuss with the search firm as well.

24:30Okay, great, thank you.

24:33Go ahead, Councillor Caton,

24:35and then I'll go to Chair Downer.

24:38Thank you, through you, Mr. Mayor.

24:40How are we determining the stakeholders?

24:43Is there opportunities to expand the list?

24:48What are we considering like an internal stakeholder

24:51versus an external stakeholder,

24:53and our groups like our committees involved?

24:55What's the scope of that?

24:59So Councillor Caton,

25:01like all of that can come from us

25:03to the firm that we choose.

25:05So like once we filter down to the firm we want,

25:11then as a committee, we can say,

25:13these are the stakeholders we wanna make sure you're aware of.

25:16These are the ones we want you to call

25:18to meet with, whatever.

25:20So as a committee, we can totally determine that.

25:24Okay, and we've done that in the past just so you know.

25:28So your question is 100% accurate

25:32because we've done it in the past.

25:33Yeah, we've done that exact questioning in the past.

25:36You still have the floor though.

25:37Did you wanna keep going?

25:38No, I'm good, thank you.

25:40Okay, okay, and then Chair Downer.

25:44Yeah, thank you, through you, Mr. Mayor.

25:45Yeah, to assure everybody that the last time

25:48all these discussions happened with the firm that we picked

25:51and all will come to light

25:54and expanded however we want to do that.

25:56But I would just wanna point out to the clerk's office

25:59that you had April 17th at 10,

26:03that's the housing symposium day.

26:06And they already changed their date

26:08from the night to accommodate our council.

26:11So just a red flag there.

26:16You know, there is a placeholder in for that night.

26:20There's the 18th or the 15th, I don't know, but.

26:24Yeah, through you, Mayor Guthrie,

26:26and thank you for that, Councillor Downer.

26:28We have a motion that will allow a degree of flexibility

26:31for us to shift some of that.

26:32And that's the exact kind of example

26:34where we might need to see that shift.

26:36We have placeholder on that date.

26:37We can sort of move it maybe perhaps to the evening.

26:41Yeah, moving.

26:41But we'll evaluate the schedule of things

26:45like that housing symposium and work to fit it in

26:47within roughly around the same date that we've identified

26:51with that authority that ideally

26:53with this next motion committee can offer us

26:55so that we can be flexible and a bit more agile

26:58in terms of schedule of things.

26:59Yeah.

27:02Great.

27:04So I'm not quite sure why you think you want a motion

27:09in regards to the scheduling.

27:11I think that would almost be like to me,

27:14it's like a takeaway.

27:15Like you'll work with my executive assistant in my office

27:18and the greater committee on sort of the blanket schedule

27:23that you've done, but with permission to tweak here

27:26and there as our personal schedules

27:28and work schedules allow.

27:31What would you need a motion for that?

27:33To you, Chair Guthrie, the motion for us is really,

27:35it avoids us having to do multiple quorum checks

27:38for the committee to secure the times.

27:40And it does give us the direction

27:41to allow us some flexibility.

27:43So some permission space to allow flexibility to move.

27:46So adopt a schedule in sort of principle

27:49and give us some flexibility and some authority

27:51to be able to move dates as we can as Councillor Downer

27:54has alluded to a perfect example of that.

27:56And we would obviously continue to work with your staff.

28:00We would be connecting probably very directly

28:03with each of you confirming that these dates are secure.

28:06I mean, you'll effectively approve them now,

28:08but if there is a change to one of those dates,

28:10we would be circling in with this group

28:12without the need to really do a formal quorum check

28:15and that's really the root of it.

28:17Sure, okay.

28:19Just before I continue then, sorry,

28:22can you throw the schedule back up one more time?

28:24I just wanna make sure there's no conflicts in June

28:26with FCM.

28:33I think June is at the,

28:34I think FCM is at the beginning of June.

28:37So I think we should be okay there.

28:39Really the six and the nine.

28:40Yeah, yeah, we should be okay.

28:43Okay, so at the appropriate time,

28:45we can just move a motion that the committee

28:47approve the schedule in principle.

28:51That's simple as that.

28:52To you, Mr. Mayor, I've got a motion

28:54that I've shared with the clerk's office team

28:56that they can pull up if you're willing to do.

28:58If there's no further questions,

28:59you can tackle that now.

29:00Sure, why don't you pull it up?

29:02But I think it may be Councillor or Chair Allt could move it,

29:05but Chair Allt, I think had his hand up.

29:07So you're just wanting to move it for me, Chair Allt.

29:09You're okay with that?

29:11Great, it's that the CAO recruitment selection

29:14and performance subcommittee

29:15approved the proposed CAO recruitment timeline

29:17and schedule as presented at the March 26, 2024 meeting

29:21and at the acting city clerk

29:23and acting general manager human resources

29:25be given authority to make minor modifications

29:27to the timeline and schedule as required

29:30and in accordance with any notice

29:32or other provisions of Council's procedural by law.

29:35Okay, perfect.

29:36Who wants to second that for me?

29:39Councillor Katelyn will do that.

29:40Thank you.

29:42Anything on that?

29:44First question.

29:44Sure, Councillor Orwock, our Chair Orwock.

29:47Through you, Mayor Guthrie, to Mr. O'Brien,

29:49possibly Mr. Stewart.

29:51So it's just about timeline

29:52and about the potential to need an interim CAO.

29:55Sometimes when people retire,

29:56they have a lot of banked vacation

29:58and they take their last six weeks of banked vacation.

30:01And so just in anticipation of timing and this schedule,

30:08is it Mr. Stewart's intention to work right till the last day?

30:13Through you, Mr. Mayor.

30:14I'll defer to CAO, Stewart, on that one.

30:16Now that Councillor Orwock's put that thought on my head,

30:19wait a minute, that's the intention.

30:24And then things come up.

30:26There's some personal things for me, of course,

30:29selling a house, buying a house,

30:31all of that stuff is at play for us.

30:34And yet at the same time,

30:35I'm trying to manage to this date as well.

30:38So if we get there and there's likely a good chance

30:42of some personal things like that,

30:45it also depends on perhaps who may or may not be applying.

30:49And I think at that point,

30:50that's a good conversation to have.

30:52Have we got someone that could step into the acting role?

30:55And then we never have any potential conflict.

30:58So we'll let us keep our eye on that.

31:00And that was me deflecting as much as possible

31:03to answer that directly.

31:05It is the intention, July 22nd,

31:08I don't know why it's a Monday, it's the last day.

31:11But we have sold our house faster than we thought.

31:15Let me say that.

31:16It went in 24 hours, so that's just ridiculous.

31:21So that's pressure on,

31:22I have to find a place to stay as well

31:24in between buying somewhere else.

31:26So that doesn't really matter to anything

31:29that you're about to do other than

31:31it can create some thing at the very end, I think.

31:33And I'm gonna try my best to keep you all informed

31:36of where we are and then not getting trouble

31:40at home front either.

31:41So I've got some balance to do there.

31:43Good plan, thanks.

31:44I'm just trying to think of the variables.

31:46And through you, Chair Guthrie to Councillor Roig.

31:50I like in this, I mean, I use the term gate.

31:52It's like a series of bridges.

31:54We've sort of got to cross each bridge as we go

31:56to get where we're going.

31:57And we may not know the outcomes of things

32:02until we cross those bridges.

32:03So we'll continue to move through the process

32:05as you've seen and as CEO Stewart alluded to,

32:07if we need to sort of move into the space

32:10of contemplating and acting CEO for a period of time

32:13to bridge the time between Mr. Stewart's departure

32:17and the incoming CEO,

32:18that's something that we can easily cross as we get there.

32:23Okay, great.

32:24I'll call the vote then on that last motion.

32:26Is anyone against that schedule?

32:29Nobody, so that's unanimous as well.

32:32Is anything further at all?