Accessibility Advisory Committee

0:03Well, I don't think the word is but we have a bunch of things to do on the agenda today.

0:10I think it is.

0:17He's fast.

0:19So we have the example destination program.

0:24The lines, sorry lines, pool replacement and traffic follow.

0:30So that's three.

0:31Very nice.

0:31Three items all together on today's agenda.

0:39And they are.

0:41Unless there are any questions or comments from our members, I will put that on a.

0:45We will consent and I'd like to ask a mover and a seconder to move these motions.

0:52I missed something where we consent for the ramps, some accessible considerations.

0:57Okay, okay.

0:59I like that way better.

1:00So we're actually only have one thing on the constant agenda.

1:06And it is the ramp slopes and accessibility considerations.

1:10So try that again.

1:11But was there any questions or comments from the members and I will put that on a.

1:16And send and I'll let us to move written a seconder to move these motions.

1:31It's Jen.

1:32Thank you, Jackie.

1:33Anyone seconded.

1:35Jen, Jen, I saw Jen.

1:37You guys have that.

1:37Hi is everywhere.

1:38Thank you, Jen.

1:39Thank you, Jackie.

1:41Um, so they want to post to the recommended motions.

1:48If no.

1:49No.

1:50No, that's scary.

1:51I was a little bit sure.

1:53So I'm going to pick up the motion.

1:54That was.

2:07You know the time when you have this little bit of a before, right?

2:10Yeah.

2:11Yeah.

2:11You're on this one person.

2:12Perfumer.

2:13So we have this is the one that we have three committee items today.

2:18So the three are I think the Senate or other, but I'll do it.

2:22Kind of officials.

2:25And you can see their brains.

2:26So.

2:26Okay.

2:29So we have the tourism accessible.

2:37It's a little destination program.

2:41The lines pull replacement and the traffic common policy.

2:45Oh, sorry, common policy.

2:47Maria and Doreen.

2:49Alex's people.

2:49Um, so based on that, I think we're going to go to the accessible.

2:55Destination program with Victoria and.

3:01Honestly, yeah, that's what I have you on.

3:03Yeah.

3:06And Jonathan, I guess I'm going to just for this now.

3:09So I am just going to share my screen.

3:12And then, uh, so, uh, my name is Alex Doresky.

3:15I'm the manager of tourism and destination development,

3:17but I'm going to hand it over to Victoria to walk us through.

3:23The presentation slides.

3:25Great.

3:25Thank you so much.

3:26Thanks for having us today.

3:27And thank you, Jonathan, for joining us from Access Now.

3:30And we'll hear from him a little bit later.

3:32So tell us more about Access Now, it's our organization and the work that they do.

3:37We're here today, though, to provide additional background for the report that we submitted

3:42to you all for review.

3:44As we go forward with the accessible destination program.

3:47So this is a new initiative that's funded through a council approved program called

3:52the gaps and needs fund, which is really about supporting tourism operators

3:56with their needs and emerging priorities as they come throughout the year.

4:01So in this program, which came through consultation with tourism,

4:06with the tourism industry, accessibility was identified as their top priority for the 2026

4:12funding cycle.

4:13So in response to this, we partnered with Access Now, who is a global leader in accessibility,

4:18verification and advocacy to deliver a one time program that's focused on accessibility

4:25reviews for tourism organizations.

4:29This can be events based, it can be nonprofit, it can be for profit.

4:33So it's really encompassing of everybody that serves visitors,

4:36so people who come from 40 kilometers away or more.

4:39And our goals are to promote wealth as an inclusive and accessible destination.

4:44We really want to build awareness of accessibility features for visitors that are planning trips

4:49to our community.

4:51We know that this can be really important to know what's offered and what the expectation

4:55are when you're going to get there, what it's going to look like.

4:58And just to equip the visitors and tourism businesses,

5:03again all encompassing, so a business that's often associated with funds, but it can be

5:07nonprofit or for profit, with the resources that they need for a barrier free experience.

5:15So in this program, it's going to look like a detailed accessible review of a space done by

5:22Access Now's trained mappers, kind of a recommendations for their improvements that we

5:27do, a verified listing on Access Now's platform if they have a physical location.

5:34And up to $1,000 in vendor supported funding to support small recommendations that is made

5:41in that reviewing process.

5:43So eligible items might include inclusive seating or accessible menu, so small items

5:48that we hope will make a large impact.

5:51I'm going to turn it over now to Access Now and then you'll hear back from me again

5:55what we're looking to hear from you all.

5:57But I'd love for Access Now to talk about their process, their organization,

6:01and then we can circle back to our Ask For View today.

6:06Perfect, thank you very much.

6:09My name is Jonathan Marriott.

6:10I'm the Director of Partnerships for Access Now.

6:14I speak to a strong English accent, but I'm very proud.

6:17I became a Canadian citizen last year.

6:20For those of you that can't see me, I'm a white 43-year-old male with dark blonde hair.

6:25And I'm here to talk to you a little bit about Access Now, who we are, and provide you an overview

6:32of what we do with verified.

6:35I also have got to add that I'm very happy that I currently also live in Guelph,

6:39so I'm very familiar with the downtown.

6:44So Access Now has been around for 10 years.

6:48And we were originally founded by our current CEO, Mayen Ziv,

6:53who is a power wheelchair user.

6:55And Mayen initially created us as an app.

6:59We now have lots of different other programs.

7:02We have mentorship programs.

7:04We have educational programs.

7:06We have accessible tourism programs, as well as the verified program,

7:10which I'm talking about today.

7:12Mayen wanted to change the conversation around accessibility.

7:17One of the things that Mayen found was when she wanted to go to places at the time,

7:22she wanted to go to the Pan Am Games, there wasn't any information about accessibility.

7:28And if there was, it was really unhelpful.

7:30It would say things like fully accessible.

7:32Well, fully accessible for who?

7:34Does that mean that there is ASL provided, or maybe a hearing loop?

7:38Or does it mean that there's a ramp and an accessible washroom?

7:43We also spent a lot of time speaking to folks in our community,

7:46trying to understand what is information that people want.

7:49And one of the things that we heard was,

7:51we don't get authentic, accurate information.

7:55People very often will say things like it's fully accessible,

7:58or they'll say there's an accessible washroom.

8:01But what does that actually mean?

8:03What does that actually contain?

8:05What features are there?

8:07And these are all decision makers that folks with disabilities will be,

8:14will look at in terms of a make or break about visiting somewhere.

8:18And what Mayan wanted to do was to put all the information in one place.

8:22We heard from people they would go on Facebook,

8:24they'd go on Reddit, they would go on the internet,

8:27trying to find this information, and it was all in different areas.

8:31So that was 10 years ago.

8:32Fast forward to now, we have more than 2 million listings on our app.

8:38We are in 10,500 towns and cities.

8:42And it's all under our one mission.

8:44What we want to do is to provide authentic, genuine information for folks,

8:50and allow a person to make their own decision on whether a place is going to work for them or not.

8:56What I'm here to talk to you today about is our Access Verified.

9:00And what we do with Access Verified is we believe that accessibility goes beyond ticking a simple box,

9:08or just meeting a standard.

9:10And so what we do is we know it's so important to take a holistic view.

9:15What does that mean?

9:16Well, it means that we employ folks who have lived perspective.

9:21We also find folks within the community.

9:23We've done several projects already here in Guelph in the surrounding area,

9:27and we already have known mappers.

9:30We welcome more mappers.

9:31We pay them for their time.

9:34And although the mapper that we might be going out with,

9:36for example, might have lived perspective of using a mobility device,

9:40from a desktop perspective, we'll still look at other lenses of accessibility,

9:46such as we'll look at mobility, we'll look at vision,

9:49we'll look at hearing, we'll look at sensitivity, disabilities.

9:52We have 30 different labels that we can use.

9:56And what we do is we go out and we look at the location.

9:59So let's pretend it's a coffee shop.

10:01We will start, is there car parking?

10:03And if there is, is it accessible?

10:06We are able to take photos.

10:08We provide written descriptions as well.

10:10To provide information for folks to, when they use our app,

10:14make informed decisions.

10:16We'll then travel through and go to the door.

10:18Is there a ramp at the door?

10:20If there's a step, for example, is there a power door opener?

10:24When you go through the door, what does that look like?

10:26And we'll continue to travel through all of the journey.

10:30So if it was a coffee shop up to ordering, what does that look like?

10:33Is there a lower counter, for example?

10:36Maybe there's a hearing loop installed.

10:38What's the payment machine like?

10:39Is it accessible?

10:41And we'll go through that journey and then we'll go through in terms of the seating.

10:44Is there accessible seating?

10:45Was the menu accessible?

10:47And what we're able to do is provide that information to our users

10:51so they know what to expect.

10:53We'll also, if they have a washroom on site,

10:56we'll have a look at that as well and see if there's accessible features

11:00that people would expect.

11:01And what we do is we take photos, we take notes,

11:04and what that goes into is the photos are uploaded to the app.

11:09Their description is uploaded.

11:10So the description will contain detail about the site

11:15for folks that find photos, a barrier.

11:18And we'll go through and provide information

11:20for allow people to decide whether there are places for them or not.

11:25People know that a location has been verified in our app

11:29as there is a blue check mark next to it,

11:32signifying that it's been verified.

11:35Some of the folks that we work with as well,

11:38we have a very public relationship with Metrolinx.

11:40So we have gone out and rated different stations on the Lakeshore line.

11:46We also, every CIBC bank, if you bank with them, is also on our app.

11:50We have lots of other relationships with folks in Toronto,

11:54CN Tower, Ripley's Aquarium, and 52 other locations as well,

11:59just to name a few.

12:00So I'm going to pause there and hand it back.

12:02And if there's any other questions, I'll be more than happy to answer them.

12:05Thanks.

12:06Thank you, Jonathan.

12:08So we're excited to partner with AccessNow.

12:10They have that expertise to help us guide our tourism businesses

12:14to start thinking about accessibility in a different way.

12:20And that's what they've asked for, is support there.

12:22So we're excited to have them.

12:24So we'll work together.

12:25The program is application-based.

12:28So we won't be picking any of the tourism businesses.

12:32We are going to do targeted outreach for organizations that you might think

12:38would be a good fit.

12:39So when we think about implementing the program on board,

12:42we would really love to have your feedback on how to reshape that outreach.

12:46Who do you think would be the most impactful, based on your experience,

12:50for folks that we should encourage to be a part of the program?

12:54So if you think about a tourism business,

12:56this is any business that serves a visitor.

12:58So it could be a hotel, a motel, a restaurant, a cafe, a banquet venue,

13:05attractions, festivals, tour operators, cultural spaces like museums,

13:11independent retailers, so no chain locations.

13:14But if it's owned kind of a small-scale retailer that's unique to Guelph,

13:20as well as tour operators, and looking towards sports facilities

13:25and places that host tournaments.

13:27So we would really appreciate your feedback at the end of the presentation

13:31on what types of businesses should be prioritized

13:34when we're conducting that outreach for the program.

13:39The second area that we're hoping for your feedback

13:43is on what criteria we should use when evaluating applications.

13:48So applications will come through and a staff committee will evaluate them.

13:54And so far, we've had some ideas of considerations,

13:58which might include whether the goals for improving accessibility at their location

14:03or their event, are they ready?

14:05And do they have the capacity to implement changes

14:08or even have the Access Now team come forward?

14:11We know that that can be a barrier and may impact business on one day.

14:14So that readiness to participate.

14:18Willingness to collect information and share visitor feedback,

14:22collecting data on any funded program for the city is really important.

14:28So we can tell the story of impact and really be able to push for other programs like this in the future.

14:34So a business needs to be willing to collect and share the feedback that they get along the way.

14:40We also thought that a weight and importance could be placed upon what type of business

14:45and the role it has in the visitor economy.

14:48So with that, I don't have any additional information.

14:52I thank you for your time for reviewing the report.

14:55And I look forward to hearing your feedback on those two areas of the program.

15:00I'll hand it back to the chair.

15:02Thank you so much.

15:04So does anyone have any questions or comments or feedback for Victoria regarding

15:09the Access Now sign event as well as the building accessible destination for our city of Guelph?

15:26Hi, it's Kathy speaking.

15:29Can you hear me?

15:30Yeah.

15:31Wonderful.

15:32So I did kind of maybe miss this information at the beginning.

15:36Are we going to get an email to access that document to review it?

15:41Or is there a certain link to go to to be able to provide this feedback?

15:48I likely have motions today that would come from the feedback.

15:52The report, I think, was delivered in the package that came with the meeting.

15:58Okay, wonderful.

15:58I was in front of this was like a new avenue.

16:02If I had any feedback, I just kind of want to comment on specifically the city of Guelph

16:06because I really appreciate all the different components that you are

16:10electing for like a really diverse, holistic look at how to kind of go about this.

16:17So it's really engaging for someone to actually enjoy themselves because often it's very need

16:23space with people with disabilities to go to different venues.

16:26But I really appreciate that this is like something you want to do on your on your time

16:30and you're taking your time and energy to enjoy yourself there.

16:34One place that I don't know if it falls under the independent stores.

16:40Guelph is a great space for our festivals.

16:44And that one is interesting because I don't know who owns what when we schedule,

16:52but we have a great space that is very grassy.

16:55And I've been to them my whole life.

16:58And so I kind of know a little bit of how to navigate it.

17:01Or I know that there is someone to support me in navigation.

17:05And I spend a lot of time just asking where to be directed.

17:09So something like breakfast and the multicultural festival and like Guelph puts on these

17:14wonderful art base.

17:15And that's very a lot of wealth identity as well.

17:18And to make it accessible is has been not a I'm not going to say it was a challenge, but

17:26an access now app would be really incredible to navigate that.

17:30So individuals, if like the point is we want people to be able to go to the entire event.

17:37But then if they want to only go to events that they only want to go to

17:41understanding the logistics of the events with the accessibility access points,

17:45even transit that's going to place them in the appropriate access points for what they'd like.

17:50I think that's something to maybe look into.

17:52I don't think that's an easy solution, but it's definitely worth a conversation.

17:58Thank you.

17:58That's a really important one.

17:59Those festivals often happen at the river.

18:03But Riverside Park is the name of it.

18:05And that's something that we could look at maybe as a whole is that that park in general

18:11for all of those different festivals.

18:12But I really appreciate the feedback on that grassy location and festivals in general.

18:18So thank you.

18:19Thank you.

18:20Jonathan, just curious if he does access now.

18:23You said they do institutions, so banks, restaurants in the life.

18:28Do they do festivals or like stuff like that?

18:35Thanks for the question.

18:36Yes, absolutely.

18:37So what we do is we actually have our own festival.

18:41We had our first one earlier this year, which was in Toronto.

18:46And we're going to continue into having them next year at David Pico Square.

18:51And we know the importance of inclusive considerations.

18:55So yes, we do.

18:56We look at different aspects, obviously, when we are maybe it's an outdoors festival

19:01versus the built environment.

19:03But again, that's why it's so key to get the perspective of folks with lived perspectives.

19:08So we're able to incorporate those decisions as well as, as I mentioned before,

19:12we'll look at the other lenses of accessibility.

19:16So in that instance, we'll go out, we'll assess, we also give them a summary report.

19:21Things, maybe there's quick and easy things that folks can do to improve accessibility.

19:27Maybe some might be longer considerations for future events.

19:32The only thing that they won't get is, as I think was mentioned, our listings have to be tied to

19:41an address.

19:42And if there's no address, like if it's a pop up festival, for example,

19:46it won't live within our app.

19:48That's the only difference with it.

19:50But it plays like Riverside Park because it does huge hit broadcasts.

19:56Like we would be considering the app as well, that Jonathan.

19:59Yeah, the park itself would, the festivals would vary for the individual setup of each one though.

20:04Yeah.

20:06Chair, do you mind if I add something?

20:07Okay, so Riverside Park is a city facility.

20:10So that might be out of the scope of mapping.

20:14However, could be in scope in another project if the city takes like mapping our parks on.

20:20What I will say is a part of this program, in addition to the report Jonathan has listed in

20:26which accessibility improvements will be documented.

20:31The way that festivals and events that do pop up already are accessible will also be provided

20:37to them and we will be encouraging them to include that on like a visitor information

20:41page on their website.

20:43So let's say you were looking at, for example, a red vest, you know, perhaps there would be

20:48a tab on their website that says here's the accessible information.

20:50Here's where the parking is.

20:51Here's where the accessible bathroom is in the event site.

20:55So that's another kind of format that would come out of it.

20:58So although it wouldn't be a physical listing, everybody will be equipped with how they are

21:03accessible and ways that they can improve from this program.

21:06Okay.

21:08In Jonathan, I don't know why I might be the only one seeing questions.

21:12You mentioned earlier, Jonathan, that for the access now part, you're looking for people to

21:18help with the app.

21:20If people from the committee or in the public want to approach you for that, how does one go

21:25and do that?

21:28Great question.

21:29We're always looking for mappers and we also, the other thing that I think I mentioned earlier is

21:35we want people to represent their communities.

21:37So we don't want to bring someone in from Toronto.

21:40We want to find someone who lives there.

21:42Like I said, we already have folks, but we're always looking for more.

21:46What I can do is I can provide through my contact, I'll provide a two-pager that provides more

21:54information about what it's like to be a mapper, what the process involves.

22:00Also, there's an email address at the bottom of it, which folks can register their interest.

22:07When projects come out, what we'll do is we'll contact them and let them know.

22:11As I said, all of our projects are paid for projects.

22:14We pay our mappers and we let them know when it comes out.

22:18So that will be the best way I can provide that two-pager, which has got more information

22:24about it.

22:25And then we can accept anyone who might be interested.

22:30I can send that to Victoria.

22:34Can you bring up the slide by your actually here?

22:38Yeah, sorry, Geir, is that okay?

22:39Yeah, yeah.

22:40Yeah, okay.

22:41No, here's the link.

22:43Sorry, I need to refer to the chair.

22:48Okay, so it's fine.

22:49Yeah, so we're already in the next one too.

22:53So the next one, yeah.

22:54So the reason why Catherine Victoria, Jonathan, and Alex were here was to look into the tourism

23:04option.

23:06Does anyone on the chair or the committee think of any types of tourism business that would be

23:13prioritized?

23:15When we're looking at the accessible destination program, Jackie, you'll move.

23:24I don't know if that's his values or not, but what about people?

23:34Everyone protects about the people that have mobility issues.

23:42Okay, like, you know, the red fats.

23:47Okay, like, I personally want to go to red fats, but I can't because it's

23:53not accessible.

23:56Okay.

23:56In one way, Jackie, is not accessible.

23:59There's too many fields, okay, and it's like a person such as myself with accessibility

24:09problems, mobility, sorry, mobility problems, you know, needs to be black.

24:19And it's like a riverside park.

24:22It's a beautiful park, but it's like, I can't go and see it because it's not accessible

24:30to people such as myself.

24:34And Jonathan, you were talking about accessibility and everything that I'm very interested in

24:43your projects.

24:45If you could do something for people such as myself, okay, that have mobility issues.

24:55So I'll just comment.

25:01So I think that what, like what I'm hearing, so where we're asking for the feedback is

25:08on how we can work with our festivals or our attractions or our local businesses to help

25:13them understand accessibility needs.

25:16So what I'm hearing is it would be great for us to really do some direct outreach to festivals

25:21that use Riverside Park to engage with them on this program.

25:27Or in concert venues, you know, or blue jade venues, you know, it's like they're not accessible

25:42for people with mobility issues.

25:46Well, I think unfortunately because blue jade is playing strong, like tickets are $3,000.

25:52You know, there's nothing that we can do about that, but these are multi-billion dollar

25:58resources.

25:58We heard, I'm just taking it off the top of me.

26:02Yeah, you're right.

26:03Yeah.

26:04You know, like because I find that, you know, people with mobility issues are very, very,

26:15very small margin for people such as myself.

26:26So I think what, so what I'm hearing is places like concert venues, sport fields, recreation

26:32centers, public parks where festivals and events kind of happen would be of great, you know,

26:38would be great target businesses or target places that could really use improvements

26:43and knowing where those improvements could be made.

26:45Yeah.

26:46To a program like that.

26:46Yes.

26:47That makes sense.

26:52Your hand up.

26:53Jen, really, if your hand up.

26:55You can keep on adding all that too.

26:56Wow, all right.

26:57Jen, go ahead, Jen.

26:59Yes, thanks so much.

27:00Really appreciate the conversation and love the work that Access Now is doing.

27:05Was thinking, I absolutely agree about the mobility.

27:09Factors that so many people are looking and find barriers in trying to navigate.

27:17I was also trying to think of basically family based attractions that are in wealth,

27:25not necessarily ones that are owned by chains.

27:28My kids are older, but thinking of it from both sides of parents who have kids who,

27:38so the parents may be looking for access to be able to take their kid to,

27:44I was just thinking of something called fun villa as an example, never been,

27:49but it could be wanting to be able to take your kid to a fun villa.

27:54It could be for a birthday party or just a, you know, rainy Saturday afternoon.

27:59Just to see what that could be like or if the child or children have disabilities

28:06so that they can also have a great time.

28:08And that to me would include both physical access and what we can look at or if you look at

28:17sensory sensitivities in case because some of those spots, as we know,

28:22when a lot of kids get around, get really loud.

28:25So seeing what are options that could be available there.

28:28So just trying to think of family attractions as a theme.

28:31I don't have specific locations I was thinking of at the moment.

28:36No, it was great.

28:37Thank you.

28:37Yeah, that's a great takeaway for us to do some of our own research and make sure that we're

28:42targeting outreach to those kinds of spaces.

28:47Based on the,

28:48Great.

28:48Thank you.

28:49April word.

28:49Thank you, John.

28:50Based on the, sorry, the story that you wrote, Alex, it looks like interest at applicants.

28:56What do you think interest at applicants?

28:58Do you mean like fun villa or restaurants or cafes?

29:03Do you have a need of November 25th year for your information session?

29:08Yes.

29:08So, so who we would be targeting.

29:11So it is application based, which means that,

29:14so if you're familiar with like a map mission, that's when we,

29:17that's when folks will go out and not the space.

29:19This is more application based where the business applies to be reviewed and participate in the

29:24program.

29:26So the applications for the program are open November 3rd to

29:30the November 28th.

29:32And then there's an information session about midway through November

29:37where businesses can come and learn more about the program and what it entails in a bit more

29:40detail.

29:41So if they have specific asks about that.

29:44And when it's interested applicants, it's any of these business types that we've described

29:51who would be interested in applying.

29:53So it's not like you need answers now for places?

29:58No.

29:58We can, we can think about it and take away with us.

30:02Yeah.

30:03So we're happy to receive feedback via email as well.

30:08And I would say that we would also really appreciate if you folks have businesses in

30:13mind or that you frequent who you would like to recommend or send our way,

30:18then we're also happy to receive that as well.

30:21Does that sound good for the committee meetings?

30:23Do you have your hand up again?

30:26Look at that.

30:27It's a different from what you just asked.

30:29I just realized my apologies for the, for us in possibly reaching out with these community

30:37companies to see if we're seeing if they'd be interested or if you'd be doing the direct

30:42reach out.

30:42Are you also factoring in accessibility of transit to get to their locations?

30:49Is that part of the access now?

30:50Or are you looking at more of the envelope of the building and inside?

30:57I haven't actually thought of that piece by the transit.

30:59So thank you, Jen, for bringing that up.

31:01Jonathan, do you know if you have ever looked into the transit piece in the reviews you've

31:07done in the past?

31:10Hi.

31:10It's a great question.

31:11So what we will do is we take a holistic approach to it.

31:16So what we will let folks know is we're very much glass half full.

31:21So if there is public transit available in that area, we'll let folks know that.

31:27Also, if public transit isn't available, we'll just have it as a statement.

31:30There is no public transit available.

31:32So if there is, we include it.

31:34We don't necessarily, because there are so many different kind of partners at play here,

31:41there's the people that own the business, there's the people that maybe the transit

31:46company and so on and so forth.

31:47We want to kind of, we don't want to necessarily provide a review for the specific business,

31:54which has barriers that are outside of their control.

31:57But factually, like if when we look at areas in cities, if there is transit available,

32:04we'll let folks know either way.

32:06But in terms of the overall rating, we can't rate the accessibility of all the factors involved

32:13with the transit.

32:14That just wouldn't be possible.

32:16Okay, thank you.

32:21Jonathan, does that just now cover only Canadian or is it worldwide?

32:26No, it's worldwide.

32:28We're in 102 countries, 107 countries actually.

32:34We're predominantly, we're based in Canada, so a lot of our work is here.

32:38We also do a lot of work south of the border as well.

32:43But we do, like I said, we're in 107 countries.

32:47We have a large community that use the app.

32:49We know from our data, a large amount of Canadians use the app.

32:55And then when they travel, they like to continue to either access information about where they're

33:00going or for their fellow travelers who maybe will be going there after them to add those

33:05places on there.

33:06We found that once people get involved with the app, they find it really worthwhile,

33:12really meaningful.

33:13And they want to also contribute their own ratings to it, which folks can do.

33:18We allow just as folks do a Google review, we allow people to give their own reviews

33:23on places and we source it through crowd data.

33:27Thank you.

33:34Does anyone have any questions for Jonathan, Alex, or Victoria or comments?

33:38I might all throw them in the motion, but I'm capturing comments as we go.

33:53Okay.

33:53And I'll help read through that.

34:06Okay, so this is Garrett here from the clerk's office,

34:09trying to capture all the comments received as we go through the motion.

34:13And I'll just read everything out here that has been said so far.

34:17And if there's any edits or comments that we need to make any changes, please just let me know.

34:21So the first clause of the motion is that the accessibility advisory committee received the

34:26tourism funding accessibility destination program report.

34:31Okay.

34:32The next clause is where they were looking for specific comments around the program.

34:37So that the accessibility advisory committee recommends that staff consider the following

34:41as priorities for the accessible destination program.

34:44So I think we heard comments on that local festivals taking place in the city be considered,

34:48as well as family based attractions.

34:50Okay.

34:52So both of those are in there as comments.

34:54There was an additional clause within the motion that has been removed,

34:58which was in regards to the scoring rubric.

35:01We didn't hear any comments on that.

35:02So I've removed that from the motion, but there were some more generalized comments that I've

35:07included in a new clause, clause three here that reads that the accessibility advisory

35:12committee recommends that staff consider the following comments related to the accessible

35:17destination program.

35:18So we heard that mobility access to be considered for all attractions within the program and

35:23that wealth transit access be taken into, sorry, that should be account non-action,

35:28but not tied to the specific location.

35:30I think Jonathan, you mentioned that that scoring rubric needs to be separated from the location,

35:35but could still be considered.

35:36So I've included that wording there.

35:38Happy to make any changes barring that one typo there.

35:43If anyone has any comments, but chair, if not, you can move second and carry that motion.

35:49See something from Jen.

35:50Jen, go ahead.

35:52I'm chatty today.

35:54In the last part, thanks for writing that up so quickly.

35:57You talked about mobility access in the third point.

36:00If you don't mind putting it back up on screen.

36:03Yes, one.

36:03I think there's more than just mobility,

36:06because we're also looking at like neurosensory or sensory.

36:12There's so many factors you could have to be,

36:17that where I would say I would certainly recommend as a member.

36:23I wonder if some more folks would look at that.

36:26So number three, part one, that mobility access be considered for all attractions in the program.

36:32Folks in the room, do you want to add to it beyond mobility?

36:40You think like you said, Jen, the neurology, like the,

36:44I don't know what the word was that you used.

36:47What was the word that you used?

36:48Surreal access or sensorial factors, perhaps.

36:51I don't know.

36:51I'm open to feedback.

36:54At work, we know that just like we maybe add them.

36:58Yes.

36:58Yes.

36:58Of course you can add whichever you wish.

37:01I'm hearing sensorial access.

37:03Anything else that wants to be considered?

37:07This is Cheryl.

37:08I agree.

37:09There's so many different barriers that we could consider.

37:13It's not with mobility.

37:15There's sensory.

37:15There's environmental.

37:17Those that have, for example,

37:20stent sensitivity.

37:21Some of the services can be difficult and events can be difficult to attend because of

37:30those issues as well.

37:34And, you know, communication issues.

37:37There's many different types of barriers.

37:39So I think expanding that would be helpful.

37:43Maybe I can offer a comment on that then.

37:47I think the concern here is limiting what we're reviewing, I guess.

37:53And my comment actually, and I would confirm with staff,

37:56is if we remove that mobility access,

37:58would we not just put everything back on the plate for consideration?

38:02And would you take that away as like you don't need a,

38:06obviously you would consider all of that when you're doing your work.

38:09We don't need to list everything out for you.

38:12Correct.

38:12And we do defer and receive feedback from AccessNow who uses a lot of these,

38:19like low light, high noise, those kinds of tags and information.

38:25I think, Jonathan, maybe you can confirm for me that those kinds of tags are included in listings

38:30or could be included in listings.

38:32So there's capability there.

38:35So instead of just limiting mobility access, literally holistic,

38:41like Jonathan said a couple times, he holistic approach, like they've covered all.

38:44So what I'm hearing is there's already a holistic approach.

38:47So rather than trying to write it on the web, remove it,

38:50and there are intaking that approach.

38:53But I look to the committee to confirm if they want that.

38:56Exactly.

38:57Has your hand up?

39:00Mr. Gert, okay, it's like, you know, you take the mobility out,

39:07and then it's, you know, the mobility should stay because, you know, if you,

39:18you take the mobility out, it can be overlooked for people such as myself with mobility issues.

39:28But I think with the wording that Gert has written here, and we can all see,

39:32it's already limited just to the mobility access.

39:35It's not censored.

39:38It's not visual.

39:39It's not hearing limited.

39:44So right now we're basically just on the wording here, that mobility access be considered for

39:49all attractions in the program versus that, get rid of the word mobility,

39:54but it's still part of the accessible destination program.

40:02Sorry, I don't agree.

40:04I think the word mobility should be left in there.

40:10I'm sorry, John, but that's sorry.

40:14Just how I feel.

40:16When you have examples, examples but not limited to and include mobility and other,

40:24and sensory, that type of thing, and then it can go beyond that.

40:31It's not limited.

40:32Right, because the wording that Gert wrote like amazingly,

40:37it sounds like it's just mobility, but there are, you said, Jonathan, 30 different type of

40:46barriers, there are those things that you have,

40:50not barriers, but mobility, visual, sensory, hearing impaired.

40:58Through the chair, yes, you're correct.

41:01There are 30 different labels that we have.

41:04We're not limited to those labels.

41:06We just have those.

41:07We have a description box, but as I said before, we do take that holistic approach towards it

41:14because we know some folks don't only have one disability.

41:16Maybe someone has low vision and is hard of hearing.

41:19So that's why we take into consideration, and we use that word.

41:24I'm saying it a lot now, holistic again, but it is important because it takes into consideration,

41:29mobility, vision, hearing, sensory, not limited to all of the definitions that there are around it.

41:36So yes, you're correct.

41:37We have lots of different labels and we have an open box as well.

41:40If we discover something on site that we don't have a label for.

41:44Perfect.

41:44Thank you.

41:47Okay.

41:47Could we put down mobility comma EP3 so it's not limiting just the mobility, but the other

42:02things like sense, sense, what comes to that word?

42:06That's very well.

42:07So the person to my right has done an amazing job.

42:10He can't smell very well though because he smelled the accessor wrong, but I apologize.

42:14That's okay.

42:15But the holistic access, including mobility, sensory, and environmental access,

42:21be considered for all attractions in the program.

42:25Would that be okay with you, Dr. Jeff?

42:33I don't know.

42:34Sorry, it's on the left hand side.

42:35Number three, subsection one.

42:41You see it?

42:42No, I can't see it.

42:43Okay.

42:44Go ahead and read it again.

42:46Now it's slower.

42:47You got it.

42:48So that holistic access, comma, including mobility, sensory, and environmental access,

42:57be considered for all attractions in the program.

43:12You know, it's just the word mobility needs to be there because so many people overlook,

43:21you know, the mobility issue.

43:24And I think Cheryl, sorry to interrupt Jackie, I think Cheryl, I saw a comment

43:28and no one else got it, so I feel like I'm pretty cool.

43:30I was sure I made a comment, something about, what was the word called?

43:34Can you read up the chat?

43:36I think Cheryl put it there.

43:37Limited, but not limited to?

43:39Including but not limited to.

43:41Including but not limited to those, and that's what you said, right?

43:47So that, including but not limited to.

43:58Thank you.

44:02So Jackie, I'm going to read this again for you, okay, but I'll do it slow.

44:06So basically what we've added is that holistic access, including but not limited to mobility,

44:15sensory, and environmental access be considered for all attractions in the program.

44:25Oh, sorry, number three, number one.

44:28Oh, it's right here, the holistic access, including but not limited.

44:33That's a little better.

44:36Okay, that's fine.

44:38Okay, so I'm sorry, John, again, please.

44:42Yeah, of course.

44:43That, so under number three, subsection one, that holistic access, including but not limited to

44:52mobility, sensory, and environmental access be considered for all attractions in the program.

45:00Okay, you good with that?

45:02All right.

45:03Does anyone else on the committee or we can like, any members to move

45:12the motion of what Gareth has done or the actions of what was the title of that?

45:21So as well, the accessible destination for me.

45:24Yeah, so does anyone can you move or a shaker motion to move?

45:30I think Cheryl has your hand up.

45:32Can you get a seconder?

45:33Oh, sorry, I just wanted to ask a question before we vote.

45:38I know Giovanni, you had mentioned that and raised the question of whether we could provide

45:45feedback and someone had mentioned that we could provide feedback by email.

45:49Is that something that should be added into this or just that if our committee wanted to

45:58provide additional information we could or feedback that we could do so being in the home?

46:03I think you can help out with that one.

46:06Yeah, so recommendation from the clerk's office is if you are aware of any feedback you want to

46:10provide now, we would recommend you put it in the motion so it's captured in the minutes.

46:14And that is really the action items that staff will take away in the development.

46:19But I think they've said they'd make themselves available for other feedback if you had it later

46:24on or something came to mind.

46:26But if you want to provide in that formal sense that we'll be capturing the minutes that Council

46:30have access to, I recommend putting it in that motion now.

46:34Okay, thank you, sorry could we add that then into so that it's in writing?

46:42Yes, if you don't mind providing me a little bit more context, I was doing a couple of things at once there.

46:48Oh, sorry.

46:52Can you just add any point that, you know, if members of the community wanted to provide

47:00additional feedback that we would be able to communicate that to staff via email?

47:08Sorry, maybe I'll correct myself and I came off wrong.

47:13What I was saying is if you knew the specifics of that feedback that you wanted to provide now,

47:19it would be the time to add it.

47:20But I think what we've already acknowledged is you can do that via email and that doesn't need to be

47:24captured in the motion.

47:26Okay, okay, thank you.

47:29I do have a concern about that though, not capturing that in the motion because there will

47:34be an end date to when they cannot take any more feedback because the program will have started

47:39and they won't be able to.

47:41Don't disagree and I look to staff to say when that time would be.

47:45We will ask for any feedback outside of this meeting via email to come by October 31st so

47:51that we have enough time throughout the application period to engage with the business types that you

47:56may be recommending to us and we can move through those processes and give people enough time to

48:02apply.

48:03Do we need to put that in the minutes?

48:05No, we need to do that.

48:06I'm going to have two hands.

48:07Yep.

48:08Which one do I do?

48:08There's three hands.

48:10You go ahead.

48:10You go first, I think.

48:16Happy, go ahead.

48:19Thank you.

48:20I'm sorry if I missed this part as well.

48:22Just that we've been speaking, this has come to my thought process.

48:27Have we done any type of surveys in terms of company engagement or stigma or attitudes

48:36towards disabilities in terms of business owners to understand what type of engagement with the

48:42businesses for businesses to want to engage more than just understanding what the basic AODA

48:49requirements are.

48:53My concern is that there might be some buy-in in terms of the existing businesses that people

49:00with disabilities go to, but there's probably a reason why those people go to those establishments

49:05because they already have inclusive behaviors and probably accessible attributes and materials

49:14and all the built environment and digital environment accessible requirements.

49:18Like it's probably a very inclusive place to begin with.

49:21I'm curious of the buy-in of the businesses that aren't kind of in that community and

49:27has there been any type of engagement tools that can be even provided to us or for the

49:36access now given to people to have feedback back?

49:40And I think it's important not just to include the people with disabilities, but having that

49:44type of survey or engagement for people without disabilities.

49:50And I mean, there's lots of ways to do that inclusively and type of co-designs to do so,

49:54but I'm curious when we put this together, it really works for our community, but when we

50:01don't have that open sense of communication for buy-in for businesses to expand, I think that's

50:08one of the largest barriers.

50:12So I can address that question.

50:14So when we, so we have these front, we have these funding programs and the funding program that

50:22this particular accessible destination program is coming from can change year to year based on

50:29council direction, based on the priorities that have been identified by the tourism community.

50:35So when we talk about the tourism community from an economic development and tourism perspective,

50:39we are speaking about businesses or organizations, you know, as Victoria said,

50:44not-for-profit, for-profit charities, anyone who really serves visitors.

50:48And when we engage with our community earlier this year to say what are the gaps and needs in

50:54this community and how can we improve wealth as a destination, the number one thing that we heard

51:00from our tourism businesses is they want to better understand accessibility and how they can be better

51:08allies and provide spaces that are friendly to folks with accessibility needs from across,

51:15you know, from a broad range, right?

51:18So we have not run a like formal survey or have formal feedback mechanisms to collect that.

51:24However, this was a stated priority.

51:26So that's why we're meeting with this funding program.

51:33In terms of creating buy-in, because this is application-based and not we're selecting the

51:42businesses just like just by our own decisions, there's already buy-in built into applying for

51:49a program and then we come and we provide, you know, more information, more support,

51:54and we work on this kind of together. I hope that supports that.

51:59Yeah, it definitely answered my question just to understand.

52:03Because I look at the project as all parts of it, like it's very empowering to have this app,

52:13but my concern is that it's wonderful that we already have buy-in basically.

52:18I'm wondering when we have buy-in, that's still when individuals, and this is going to be so vague

52:25and broad, but some individuals are very eager to want to buy in, but when it comes to the nitty

52:31gritty, it's difficult to comprehend and understand. So I can see that the work had already been done

52:36in terms of having that buy-in, which is so wonderful, and I really want this to be successful.

52:41I'm wondering if we can also, and I mean you would have the answer to this, the budget in

52:46terms of that type of engagement to ensure that we are actually addressing the gaps and really

52:52ensuring that stereotypes and stigmas are being addressed and unconscious biases are being addressed

52:59so that when we have buy-in, there's going to be obstacles for true universal accessibility

53:05and universal design, inclusive design, there's going to be those barriers, and that's kind of where

53:12we want to grow from that and address and move forward. So I don't know if that just means that

53:18I'd like to move something that says like a little spotlight can go on that process of this

53:25program, that we can ensure that there is along with like the education piece or the event piece

53:35for engagement, there is some type of like consistent screening, not screening, sorry, like surveys,

53:42and then going back and analyzing the surveys to ensure that we're consistently on top of what the

53:49real issues are to ensure that it's consistently and sustainable accessibility.

54:00Okay, so I think staff will have to take that away in terms of how we could operationalize it

54:05because that is like to develop like surveys and create long-term sustain, like you know

54:13with universal design, like that is a much larger scope than this particular project.

54:19So really this funding stream is to address like those smaller areas, however, you know,

54:25I think that part of the goals of our team, of course the accessibility team here at the city,

54:31are to really provide education and really provide that support in those resources to build more of

54:38that universal accessibility. I would struggle, Gary, I'm not sure if you've developed a

54:47emotion around that, I would struggle on how to work that into this project and might need to take that away.

54:59Yeah, so comments from our side is I think what you mentioned is this is a little bit outside of the

55:04scope of what we're discussing here today. If we wanted to continue this discussion about kind of

55:11that next step or the after-action items that come from this, I think that could be added to an

55:17upcoming agenda where we could look for a recommendation on that and you could put that

55:21into a work plan or something if that was the direction of your team. But I think today what

55:27we're looking for is something specific to this program, correct? Yes, specific to this program,

55:33anything above and beyond that is like a work plan with staff resources and budget attached to it,

55:41which would be a much longer term conversation. Yeah, so my recommendation to that then is

55:46let's take that aside if there's interest to have that type of conversation in the future,

55:50let's look at getting that on an upcoming agenda and maybe we can have that conversation and pass

55:57recommendations at that time that staff could consider. Are you okay with that, Kathy? Like

56:03having it for an upcoming agenda? Yeah, I think that's a good idea because I completely understand

56:12the capacities for certain programs and grants, but if we go into something knowing that we're

56:17going to parse out space for like creating rubrics to understand that we are hitting

56:25our needs for what accessibility means for Guelph, so yeah, we can move that to another space.

56:31Kathy, what we'll do, sorry just to finalize, is we can connect offline and figure out the most

56:35appropriate way to do that with you at another time, okay? Wonderful, thank you.

56:40Thank you. Do you need to introduce me to any additions? What we can do is we can put out

56:47what I think is the final motion so that everyone can see. So I think if it's okay with everyone,

56:56I'd like to get a motion to see if we can read this motion to so what can you hear that done? So

57:12I don't know if everyone can see the screen or Jackie, can you see the screen? Are you okay? Yeah.

57:18Okay, can I get someone to approve the motion to pass the accessible destination program?

57:26I'll approve. Jackie, can I get someone to second it please? It's Jen, I'll second. Thank you,

57:37John. Don't go to the right here anybody. Okay, so if the one is against the motion will be

57:50carried. Can I know who's against it? Great. Can I hear something over there? I just saw

57:59Ian had an end up. It's really quick. We keep hearing email staff. If you have any other suggestions,

58:06that type of thing, who are people email? So what I can say is if staff want to send

58:12communications to the clerk's office, the clerk's office will send communication out to the entire

58:17committee on some of those details that you've outlined. And we'll include the one pager that

58:22Jonathan mentioned earlier as well. Correct. Two pagers. I am sorry. Okay, I have a question.

58:29I know this might be a very silly question. It's such a silly question. Okay, you're talking about

58:36email this and act this and okay, like what if you are not computer savvy? That's just

58:48myself. I don't know what like how to get it up or email this. So the best thing actually Jackie,

59:00what we can do is after this meeting you and I can connect and I'll figure out the most appropriate

59:04way that you want to receive that information and I'll make that up. I'm not the only one in

59:11well that you know is not you know computer savvy. Yeah, but what we're talking about is just

59:20direct communication to the committee members. So the eight committee members. We're not talking

59:26about the whole city right now. Okay, okay. Sorry. Okay, thank you. Over you. Okay, so I think

59:34Jonathan, thank you and Alex and Victoria are welcome to leave. I'm sure you're enjoying the

59:41beautiful weather. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you Jonathan for everything. Yeah, thank you.

59:46Jonathan, can you please give Leanne or Caitlin your information so I can talk to you further about

1:00:01your program because I'm very interested in being part of that. Please. Through the chair. Yes,

1:00:12my details will be shared on that two-pager with the best email address to get hold of us. If that

1:00:20is a barrier we can also provide, I'll provide separately just not on that information, a phone

1:00:27number where you can contact as well. Thank you. Thank you Jonathan. Thank you. Have a great day.

1:00:32Thank you so much. So I think the next agenda is the line or sorry line call restoration project.

1:00:45You might go on the guys. Hello. Hello. I'll just wait till I see my presentation come up.

1:00:58Jean, give me one moment or if you have an accessible you can share from your side as well.

1:01:02Jean, I'll speak. There you go. I don't have it ready but if you have access, kill him quickly.

1:01:09Otherwise just give me one. I do not. I would need the same moment as you. Okay. Okay, the race is on.

1:01:17Okay, well while you get the presentation ready I can start talking. My name's Jean Starchuk. I'm

1:01:22acting manager for facility design and construction for the city of Guelph and I'm here joined by

1:01:28Adam Rutherford from recreation and Alicia from A plus link architecture who helped put together

1:01:34these nice renderings for us to talk about today. I'm really excited to be here actually to talk

1:01:39about this project, the lion pool for those who don't know is an exterior pool located at 301

1:01:45York road and it is a city asset that has really reached the end of its useful life.

1:01:51It's becoming quite a challenge to operate it on an annual basis so we were really excited to

1:01:56receive grant funding from the community sports and recreation infrastructure fund

1:02:01as long as along with some funding from the city itself to replace the pool.

1:02:05So we've been working on the design that you can see kind of in front of you through these two

1:02:10renderings and so I'll just kind of go over kind of some key items that we're thinking of including

1:02:16within the design and just so you know we're on this one's a kind of a tight timeline because of

1:02:20the grant we are required to complete construction next year so we're kind of really zooming

1:02:25ahead and trying to get things going and get this out for tender and really see some action on site

1:02:34come the new year. So for those who don't know lion pool is a really important site for the city

1:02:40and this is a perfect opportunity to really improve this asset and make it very free inclusive

1:02:47and just a play destination for all. So certain items that we're considering for

1:02:52design for the pool restoration of course we're removing the existing pool tank there's a divider

1:02:59wall within it and the surrounding pool deck and fencing. The new pool will be going in with a smooth

1:03:05kind of painted finish concrete and as well as all around the pool there'll be a new concrete deck

1:03:12with a non-slip kind of fine textured concrete finish. Within the pool you can see that people

1:03:18can enter via something called a curved beach entry which has a one to twelve slope

1:03:25which is a gradually sloping entry of a swimming pool that mimics how one may enter the ocean or

1:03:31lake. So it's a new kind of design feature for me so I'm excited to see it in this in this project.

1:03:38Adjacent to the curved beach entry will be a one to twelve sloped ramp with an anti-slip surface

1:03:45contrasting color at certain depth changes and stainless steel handrail on both sides of the ramp

1:03:53with a clear width of 1,100 millimeters between those two handrails. There is a waiting pool area

1:04:01at the bottom of the beach entry which has a depth of three and a half feet

1:04:06and in that three and a half feet area you can enter the other area of the pool which consists of

1:04:11four 25 meter swimming lanes which also offers a deeper end to the pool on one end as well.

1:04:21In addition we'll be giving consideration to other kind of smooth non-slip surfaces such as

1:04:27artificial turf or rubberized surface at one end of the site so most of the site would be the

1:04:32concrete deck but where you can see it there is an artificial kind of turf looking we are considering

1:04:38kind of alternative landscaping around the pool. What else? There will be transitions of course

1:04:47between different surface types and where patrons exit the existing building which we are not

1:04:53touching during this renovation but we'll be making sure that any kind of exits into the pool area are

1:04:59smooth and flush. We will be delineating where necessary with tactile surface we're still working

1:05:06through the details on that of what that looks like around the pool and then of course if all of

1:05:12this is comes in and we get some good pricing on the pool itself then we'll be looking at

1:05:19different types of seating around the pool and shading with the goal of meeting 20% mix of accessible

1:05:25seating around the around the pool area with backrest and armrest in areas of shade of course.

1:05:32The overall design we'll be complying with the facility accessibility design manual

1:05:38recreation will be offering different programming options for multiple types of play and use within

1:05:43the pool. There is a portable lift which I've included a photo of that as well which is currently

1:05:49the same type that's used at West End Community Center pool and Victoria Road Recreation Center

1:05:55pool and it's stored on the deck when the pool is being programmed and then there'll be two water

1:06:02wheelchairs available for use as well when there is programming. That pretty much brings me to the

1:06:09end of my little spiel about all the elements so we can maybe look at the recommendations

1:06:16on the second slide there. Yeah so mainly I'm just here to kind of share this project with you and

1:06:24get support for the various accessible options that we're looking to incorporate in the pool and

1:06:29around the site and if there's any other items that should be considered as we work through the

1:06:34design over the next month. That's everything thanks. Thank you so just home I have a question

1:06:42regarding and I think you answered this. So nothing is going to be done with the original pool house

1:06:48itself it's basically just the pool the surrounding area the concrete essentially.

1:06:54Yes so this grant is really being used towards the pool itself but now that we are replacing the

1:07:00pool and we know it's going to be there for many decades to come hopefully we'll definitely be

1:07:05zeroing on the zeroing in on the building next because there are issues with the building that

1:07:09I'm aware of so now that we know that the pool is moving ahead and we're doing that we'll definitely

1:07:14be circling back to the building at a later date. And I think based on the document I'm looking at

1:07:21there is a little bit of a time deadline. Yes because it looks like summer 2026 that it's going to be

1:07:31starting. Yeah so we're actually looking to tender this to contractors this November

1:07:37and then come winter or winter that they would start demoing where they can weather permitting

1:07:43the existing structure and then the new build would be going in over the warmer summer months

1:07:48because it's a project you can only do in the warmer months of course and the grant requires

1:07:53us to be completed by next year. So yeah it's a tight it's a tight timeline we just started

1:07:59design in the summer. So we're hoping that what we've included in the in our plans kind of

1:08:07offers accessible amenities of course and if there's anything else that we should be considering

1:08:12that this would be the optimum time to to let us know. Liam I think it's your screen that's

1:08:18Sherry can you come back to the actual pretty picture? Yeah and Jackie and Siri.

1:08:27And Jackie Wall-Ean's doing that. I saw your hand was on. Jane I want to thank you okay I want to

1:08:37thank you very much for including the two um what are they called? The O and rails on both sides of

1:08:51the fence. Yes I want you to thank you very much for doing that on your own that that helps a lot

1:09:00with people with such needs out with mobile and the issues so thank you. No problem. So from the

1:09:09good pretty picture um basically it's like you've already incorporated a lot of the

1:09:15KOD for the railings or the handrails the jumpless slopes um the material like the concrete.

1:09:23So right now looking at the picture of the bottom right hand corner is the club is the

1:09:28same position so basically the clubhouse is facing New York Road right? Yes that's correct.

1:09:36And then you mentioned something on the left hand side of that uh rubber or artificial turf?

1:09:42We were looking at artificial turf options just for that one end piece there just to give

1:09:46alternative to people um having to be on the concrete surface. We're just actually looking

1:09:51at costing of that right now or if rubbers like a rubber side surface just something a bit softer

1:09:58but again we're just going we're going to wait back get some costing on everything and see if

1:10:02there are options for having alternative surfaces. Thank you. Um Miss Jean okay what about accessibility

1:10:13done for bathrooms? Sorry say that again. What about accessibility for bathrooms

1:10:23like washrooms? Oh unfortunately the washrooms is not included in this scope

1:10:30but I do imagine that over the next coming years we will be coming back to renovate what is needed

1:10:35inside the wash inside the building itself. Does anyone from the committee online have

1:10:43any questions for Jean or Adam? I think what you guys have done Jean for a very

1:10:56old and well used lion pool. It looks amazing like we're starting with the the changes there the

1:11:04yeah the inclined changes that you've done so someone can slowly go into the pool.

1:11:12So you mentioned the railings. How far did the railings go down based on that picture? Like is it

1:11:18basically right from the her or the the slope entrance where the blue

1:11:23umbrella is? Looks like yeah if you can see where the pointer is pointed there they go almost the

1:11:33yeah the full length there. I'm assuming that's pretty accurate to what it would be but of

1:11:39course we still have to go through detailed design making sure that we get that proper slope and that

1:11:44it works well with the concrete wall there that differentiates the other side of the pool.

1:11:49And then opposite side of where the liens doing the pointer so that they're looking at it so

1:11:57right side is it basically just the three meter or three foot there's no curb or there's no

1:12:04decline correct? On that end where the cursor is now it's three and a half feet deep yeah.

1:12:10Gotcha okay yeah. Does anyone have any questions? Oh I got a question Cheryl.

1:12:17Hi no I just wanted to comment that it looks amazing like a jigging with thing that it

1:12:28if you put a lot of thought and consideration into the design which is fantastic. I just have

1:12:37one question and I'm reading through the list here and it's saying that there will be multiple

1:12:42areas for seating with the 20% makes for accessible seating with back rest and arm rest in areas of

1:12:49shade. Where are you planning to put the seating? I can't really see. So the seating itself is we're

1:12:58still discussing that kind of where the best spots are to put it a mix kind of on the concrete

1:13:03versus if we do decide to go with the turf so still kind of working through the details of that

1:13:08and where the lifeguards sit and all those kind of details but they will be in multiple areas

1:13:15with the goal that there be a lot of shaded options where possible.

1:13:22Um John? Oh you've been on? Did you have a question John? Sorry here I am chattering away

1:13:36without mute I don't really love that so um I was just it looks great. I had one quick question

1:13:45it was just in the recent comment about uh call it the shallow side on the right end

1:13:54if we're looking at kind of the overhead shot on uh I don't have a pointer but oh thank you do

1:14:01mind just going over to the far right with your pointer yeah that side you said that end was three

1:14:07and a half feet deep? Yes. Okay would there be any reason um at all to have a little ladder like

1:14:17a even a one-step ladder out on that side for little kids that go in a little further than they

1:14:21should and if I don't know if that's standard or if I'm overthinking but um just thinking about that

1:14:28if a kid wants to play over at the wall and then they can't get themselves out there they can't

1:14:33pull themselves out. The good question I don't know if Adam is can help answer that question.

1:14:40The best practice over the top whatever I'm just yeah yeah that's I would look I kind of look

1:14:44yes go ahead Adam. Yeah I know I think that's a good catch so we'll we'll take that with

1:14:50Alicia our designer who's on the call with us um I don't see any reason why um unless Alicia does

1:14:58why we couldn't add um a small ladder on that end there is it's hard to detect but there is actually

1:15:06a little bench um in the I guess would be the northeast corner I think that's still there

1:15:15Alicia wants to confirm so there is a bit of a step down uh and then I think the bench depth is

1:15:21about a foot below the the waterline so there is a little bit there but but we could still

1:15:28investigate the ladder for sure. If if that right edge where the two that's that's where the bench is

1:15:36the shallow side yeah that's where they're under water benches yeah yeah that's okay yeah sorry I

1:15:43forgot that that was thinking of a little kid I forgot that that was included so yeah okay

1:15:49if I if it's not needed then like I'll trust your judgment and I like I say I was thinking of

1:15:55little kids that don't have the upper body strength to get themselves out if they get

1:15:58a little ambitious and then they're stuck because to go kind of back over to one of the other sides

1:16:04looks like it could be a little far for a little person as yeah a young person okay

1:16:11Alicia might yeah yeah I could I could help out here Adam and Jean um yeah so hi

1:16:18great comments thanks great to hear that you like the design we were quite happy with uh with this

1:16:24one as well with all the input from staff um but yeah the we had initially a little bench there

1:16:32at the corner we typically do that in the design especially for younger kids as well as allowing

1:16:39parents to sit um in the water with their kids um but we were told to remove it so we're currently

1:16:46it's gone but we'd be happy to bring it back because why that yeah no it's all right so um

1:16:53if I mean unless you want to do uh instead put a ladder instead like it could be the bench or

1:16:58the ladder it's up to you what you think would be the most useful probably are to stretch our

1:17:04dollars on this one and I'm going to guess that the the ladder is our better option um

1:17:11yeah but we can definitely take that back I think yeah talk about okay so maybe yeah we can review

1:17:17which would be the better but either way we'll either have a bench or a ladder that would be the

1:17:22the goal correct yeah okay awesome thank you Alicia I'm tracking okay so like you are saying

1:17:31from what I understand is there's only access on one side um that will have to rail for people

1:17:45with the mobility issues am I correct yeah you're correct okay so it's both on one side so

1:17:57if you know for instance I wanted to go in the pool I would have to walk all the way

1:18:08to the other side to get in and out of the pool yeah unfortunately the so we've tried to make this as

1:18:18um as friendly uh for people living with disabilities as possible there is no way for

1:18:25us to put the entry ramp at the door we needed the space between the building in the pool there

1:18:34so we're about halfway so definitely have to make your way over to the ramp but also I just

1:18:41want to also remind that we also have the aquatic lift available so one of the things we're very

1:18:48aware of is that folks may want to get in for lap swimming or like you said may want to go into the

1:18:55deeper part of the leisure side of the pool and so we have the the lift there for folks that need

1:19:03that and as well we've got the aquatic wheelchair so folks can be can use the ramp in the wheelchair

1:19:10all the way into the pool so hopefully that addresses some of that but you can let us know

1:19:17if you think that other adjustments are required it's not really fair that you know people with

1:19:25mobility issues can only use one and one side of the pool to get in there's a there's that huge

1:19:37there's a big opening between the two so someone could do lanes on the south side based on the picture

1:19:44the bottom part of the pool just ramps on this side like you know not ramps

1:19:56just only ramps on one side yep on a ramp yeah

1:20:03I'll stop on Jean or Alicia I think you've answered the question but

1:20:07based on the picture on the top left hand corner with the light guard there

1:20:10you said there's a shelf is is the circumference of the pools but they one level like sorry are they

1:20:18one um like there's no there's no lip or anything like that is a flat I guess it's a water mask

1:20:26like where where they're connected you mean like in the middle or so um like here's the

1:20:32around the pool in front of the way or sorry in front of the light guard that looks to be

1:20:36a moment in people like two little two little ones oh yeah yeah are they sitting in the pool are they

1:20:43sitting on the deck or is there like a little is that where you're talking about that little shelf

1:20:48yeah so the in that rendering we're showing them just sitting on the deck and then you've got the

1:20:53children in the waiting part a waiting pool so that's the three and a half uh foot deep waiting area

1:21:00yeah only answer to one showing doing uh enhancing like making it larger

1:21:09just to see the this here you're looking at right yeah so I just want to say like if Jackie can see

1:21:14the hand railings um for that one side and for the for the on the other side I believe no the ramps

1:21:23like okay so the yeah there's hand rails just at the ramp right here yeah oh there's the hand

1:21:33there yeah yeah yeah but it's just on one side when it's right so that means it's restricting

1:21:42people sensitively settled with mobility issues right you come out of this building here it's

1:21:51you come out of here and go to it so there's also because it is a little bit of a timeline

1:22:00and we know that for the great um when are you looking at actually putting shutters around

1:22:07or big back-oated around we're hoping to do that this winter does anyone that's on the committee

1:22:16besides kala have a question oh sorry yeah go ahead you let's have the word besides like

1:22:23just for clarification the bench in this design goes all the way across the leisure side is that

1:22:30correct it it doesn't sorry for um for cost thing it was removed so we can talk about I'm not sure

1:22:38that I'll just be honest on that when I don't think it has any accessible like benefits from an

1:22:43accessible position other than climbing out which I think is universal um so we'll just have to decide

1:22:52whether or not a bench and the bench was an L in the corner I think it was Alicia can help me but

1:22:58I think it was probably eight by eight or six by six in the corner um yes and and not allege

1:23:05all the way across the back okay sorry I misunderstood but I understand that it it's not in this

1:23:14not represented in this um render it's not yeah okay no problem

1:23:22just do my fun sharing a moment of motion yeah just keep so I think we're going to I think

1:23:28just one one point of clarity just to help um I I totally understand and I'm sensitive to the

1:23:35distance of of the ramp there I think our only and Alicia can help me with this one even if we

1:23:41wanted to make um a change we would likely like if we wanted access on the other side our only

1:23:49opportunity would to be to add a mirrored ramp into the pool anyway so I think the distance

1:23:55between the door exiting the building and any ramp entering the pool would be virtually the same

1:24:03I don't I don't think we gain any um like because we can't go out of the building directly into the

1:24:10pool we have to go lengthwise not widthwise so unfortunately I I just don't think we get any

1:24:17benefit by adding a second ramp there it's the distance traveled unfortunately would be exactly

1:24:23the same I am distracted I am I'm sorry go ahead you again no no I I think no I I just wanted to

1:24:33to assure you that we've certainly we've done our best to make it um and also the shallow entry is

1:24:39also um it's also an accessible entry without the railing the slope is exactly the same so

1:24:45we're hoping with the aquatic wheelchairs there's opportunity there as well um but we would just

1:24:51be mirroring it on the other side and I don't think we'd get any I don't think it there's much

1:24:57benefit to that so it's like you know the slope is one thing but it's like the railings I I personally

1:25:08can't take slopes okay I need a railing so would you just do that on one side or can it also be

1:25:22mirrored like you said on the other side I think we're I think we're locked into one side for the

1:25:30time being um but the railings will be it'll be two railings um as requested yep that's just on one

1:25:39side okay what about the other side thank you two you're talking about two different things

1:25:47sorry I think Jack is talking about there's hand rails on both sides yes there is and and

1:25:55adding the saying you go into the pool on this side that's what you we saw in the picture

1:26:01and there's no other place to put another ramp ramp in with hand rails because it would just be

1:26:07on the flip side of the pool looks like both Jean you can you can you can enter any part of the

1:26:17pool from that ramp so the entire pool is accessible from the ramp there's no there's no space that's

1:26:23precluded or blocked out just that's helpful yes sweet okay railings okay I like I personally cannot

1:26:37go down the ramp or go up the ramp without railing so yeah so they're both there

1:26:44yeah okay so I think but for how do Malaysia and Jean have done for the proposed park I think you've

1:26:55actually covered a lot of the people living with the stability check boxes you've had the railings

1:27:01you've had the the surfaces changed did you mention also there was coloration from the changes on the

1:27:08depth for people with visual disabilities or physical repairments um I don't I can't see it I

1:27:17don't know if anyone on the committee I don't think there's a lot that we can add um except what

1:27:23KLS said you know regarding the the seating if that is possible it doesn't sound we'll see um

1:27:29um but yeah I think it is well needed uh renovations

1:27:35alisha has a hand alisha has a hand alisha give your hand up

1:27:41uh sorry oh yeah I forgot I was putting it up when Adam was talking I did want to just

1:27:49you know just to add to what Adam was saying we did did really look at how can we get the ramp

1:27:54as close as possible to the entry we're definitely very aware of that and trying to make an effort

1:28:01to make sure it was as close as possible the thought was to put it uh on the other side even

1:28:07at the top corner top uh right corner I guess the difference there being is that because it's deeper

1:28:15the three and a half uh feet depth of the waiting pool it would have been twice as long for the ramp

1:28:22itself it would have taken a huge amount of room in that waiting pool and it would have been again

1:28:29twice as what you see now in what we're showing there it would have been double in in lengths as

1:28:35well so um again we we tried our best to to make it as um easy to access um and this just happened

1:28:44to be the best solution again even if it was flipped um to the other side of the shallow area it would

1:28:50have cut off a lot of the of that beach access as well so it we just kind of came came with this

1:28:58layout just because it it did provide the best option for for every everybody as far as we could

1:29:04see without you know compromising too much on the actual use of the pool. I just want to say

1:29:13thank you for including the

1:29:18they called the handrails. Thank you for including the handrail.

1:29:27It was always a priority so we're happy to have made that happen. So I'm just going to read for

1:29:33everyone or can everyone read um or see what the lions I got a lion lion pool replacement

1:29:41motion that's on the screen and chair maybe I'll jump in here um I think we heard one of the

1:29:48considerations for how someone would exit the pool from the shallow side. I staffed correctly if

1:29:54I'm wrong I tried my best to delineate where that would be but in the shallow side opposite the ramp

1:30:00to entrance I think that leads us to where we were discussing that and then options for exiting the

1:30:05pool. I know we discussed a ledge or a ladder or anything like that I think this gives you what

1:30:11you need but correct me or provide any comments there if you see anything other than that yeah I'll

1:30:18go through the motion. The clause one that the accessibility advisory committee receives a staff

1:30:24report titled introduction by pool restoration project clause two two sorry that the accessibility

1:30:31advisory committee support the proposed accessible options for the pool in the surrounding site during

1:30:36the lion pool restoration project and the clause three of the accessibility advisory committee

1:30:42recommends that staff consider the following as part of the lion pool restoration project and three

1:30:48I which is consider options of how someone would exit the pool from the shallow side of the pool

1:30:53opposite the ramp entrance. If anyone else on the committee has anything they'd like to add

1:30:58please feel free. Okay so

1:31:05you go down the ramp go into the pool down the ramp would be

1:31:12the handrails can you not go out of the pool same way you can end

1:31:23you you can do that. Up and down the railings or use the railing? Yeah yeah that's where

1:31:31that's the intention. I'm sorry, pardon? That that's the intention that the traffic on the ramp

1:31:39goes both ways so. So I think based on time can I get a motion to where where that

1:31:48I'll get that back. Yeah um can we get a motion to approve the

1:31:55yeah the one that Garrett had done before the lion pool replacement so you just

1:32:00get a mover and I get a move a motion to move uh Jackie can I get a seconder to move it?

1:32:10Is it possible? What if I put it up too loud? Looks like Jen went Jen. Sure I can too it doesn't

1:32:20matter. Great that's Jen as well. Yeah thank you. Great um so the motion so no one no one

1:32:26has against them so the motion will be carried and then so think um thank you both Adam Alisha

1:32:34and Gene for your amazing job um for this I'm looking forward to tipping a tow in come

1:32:412027. 2027 summer. Great thank you so much. Let's open to a hot one. Yeah sounds good.

1:32:50Thank you for appreciate all your time. Thank you. Thank you. So then the third first third

1:32:57final person I'm sorry for making you wait all this time Nico um is the common traffic calming

1:33:06policy? No they're all good there. I just mentioned uh Nico, Loraz thanks for joining.

1:33:16We are a little tight on time I apologize for that but uh hopefully we can get through your

1:33:22item here as well just give you that acknowledgement there okay thank you. Okay thank you. I'll get

1:33:29right into it um hi everyone thanks for having me uh today my name is Nico Koenig I'm the

1:33:35Transportation Safety Specialist with the City of Guelph I'll be presenting to you today and I'm

1:33:40joined by Loraz Freeman Guelph's Road Safety Road Safety Supervisor and together we'll respond

1:33:45to any questions you may have. I'm here to request an update from you regarding your position

1:33:51on the use of vertical measures as part of our traffic calming policy. So I'll first I'll review

1:33:59the AAC's stated position regarding the use of vertical measures I'll provide an overview of the

1:34:04City of Guelph's traffic calming policy and common vertical measures and their effectiveness and I

1:34:09will detail timeline of engagement opportunities regarding the traffic calming policy with the AAC

1:34:14and then I'll turn it to you to provide an update to City staff. First um a note of previous information

1:34:24that was shared with us the AAC provided feedback to Engineering and Transportation Services or ETS

1:34:30that vertical measures can be painful for people with disabilities who must drive over them to get

1:34:35to their destination. In response, Engineering Transportation Services limited the use of vertical

1:34:42measures in the City's traffic calming policy. Specifically, speed cushions would would be used

1:34:48as a last resort. Alternative routes would always be available to bypass vertical measures if used

1:34:54creating a single installation per block and raised crossings would not be recommended.

1:35:00Engineering and Transportation Services response to the AAC is noted within the community of the

1:35:05Council memo on April 23rd 2023. I will now take a step back a brief orientation about what traffic

1:35:13calming is all about and a little bit more about vertical measures. Guelph's traffic calming policy

1:35:18responds to resident traffic concerns by establishing traffic calming measures on local and collector

1:35:23roads when validated by a traffic calming review and prioritization process. It contains 17 recommended

1:35:29traffic calming measures. It was established in 1998 as the neighborhood traffic calming measure

1:35:35traffic management policy revised in 2006 and updated in 2020 2020. The policy goals are to

1:35:44improve public safety for all road users, encourage roadways to function as intended,

1:35:50encourage active transportation through infrastructure safety modifications.

1:35:56Vision Zero was endorsed by the City of Guelph in 2022. It is a road safety strategy founded by the

1:36:03on the belief that no loss of life is acceptable and that deaths and serious injuries are preventable.

1:36:10It is guided by the Safe Systems approach which aims to prevent serious injuries and deaths from

1:36:15occurring and make transportation systems safe for all road users. One of these actions in one

1:36:21of the actions in Guelph's new Vision Zero action plan is to update the traffic calming policy.

1:36:26Hence we're here at the beginning stages of updating this policy with your support.

1:36:32Safe speeds are a guiding principle of the Safe System approach. The Vision Zero action plan and

1:36:38the traffic calming policy. As this illustration depicts, if a person outside a vehicle is struck

1:36:43by a person driving a vehicle at 30 kilometers per hour, they have a 90% chance of survival.

1:36:52If a vehicle is moving at 50 kilometers per hour, the survival rate drops dramatically to only 15%

1:36:58and that to only 5% if the vehicle is moving 60 kilometers an hour. Safe speeds and reducing

1:37:06speeds are absolutely essential for the City of Guelph to reach Vision Zero. We must reduce

1:37:12vehicle speeds to safe lives. So how do we do that? There are many ways. One strategy is through

1:37:19traffic traffic calming measures. Traffic calming measures are permanent physical measures that

1:37:24retrofit an existing roadway. Here are speed humps on the left. You might have recognized these

1:37:30before around Guelph a typical vertical displacement measure. And a center median on the right,

1:37:38a type of horizontal measure that replaces vehicles horizontally narrowing the roadway.

1:37:45There are many different types of physical measures that can be added to a road to slow vehicles

1:37:49down and I'll only be discussing vertical measures with you today. I mentioned speed humps and here's

1:37:56a slightly different variation. It's called a speed cushion, basically a speed hump, but cut into

1:38:02two different pieces. And these are raised crossings. The crosswalk is raised to be flush or at grade

1:38:09with a sidewalk allowing people with strollers in mobility devices to travel across the road

1:38:14without dipping down into the vehicle lane. It also creates a kind of speed hump for people

1:38:19driving. So in this way it has a dual purpose to ease travel for people on sidewalks and to slow

1:38:25vehicles down. Here are a few different designs noting that the raised crossing can be a complemented

1:38:32with curb extensions at a mid block crossing as shown on the left. So kind of tightening that

1:38:37roadway and also in front of major entrances of any community facility such as a school as shown

1:38:43on the right. The city of Guelph previously engaged the AAC regarding the development of its complete

1:38:52street design guidelines in October 17th 2023. These are new road designs that would be used

1:38:58when creating new or reconstructing existing roads. AAC supported the use of a type of vertical

1:39:06measure known as a continuous sidewalk. Here's the design that was presented to the AAC. While

1:39:13the slide is a little bit hard to read, I'll note that the continuous sidewalks includes a raised ramp.

1:39:24Over the past few years speed cushions were installed in a limited capacity based on the

1:39:28agreed constraints and were shown to reduce average vehicle speeds by 15%. By comparison,

1:39:34automated speed enforcement cameras reduced speeds by 20% and our curb extensions reduced speeds by

1:39:4111%. A little background on the effectiveness of vertical measures overall, the Institute for

1:39:49Transportation Engineers Synthesis on Traffic Comming Findings in North America states that

1:39:53vertical measures are consistently consistently reduced speeds more than horizontal measures.

1:39:59The Transportation Association of Canada's Canadian Guide to Traffic Comming states that

1:40:03a series of speed cushions are more effective at reducing vehicle speed than a single installation.

1:40:09And the US-based National Association for City Transportation Officials or NACTO,

1:40:14their impacts of traffic calming guide based on a sample of 179 before and after studies

1:40:19found that installation of speed humps led to an average vehicle speed reduction of 22%.

1:40:24Here's a quick example of a traffic calming project that was led by the City of Mississauga

1:40:30in 2023. It contains 10 evenly spaced speed humps and one raised crossing. Noting that we do not use

1:40:38raised crossings and based on our current policy it's unlikely that our existing policy would

1:40:42support more than one or two speed humps in the length of this roadway. The average speed before

1:40:50installation of the measures was 42 kilometers an hour. The after speed installation was

1:40:5821 kilometers per hour. So in general, well, I'm sorry, specifically the average vehicle speed

1:41:04reduction from before to after installation was a reduction of 50%. While this is only,

1:41:11this is only City of Mississauga's most recent published project, I will note that reviewing

1:41:16108 traffic calming projects from the city of Mississauga installed between 2014 and 2024,

1:41:23containing a mix of vertical and horizontal measures have been found to reduce vehicle

1:41:28speeds by average vehicle speeds by 25%. So the most recent one reduced speeds by 50% and all

1:41:36of them collectively on average reduced by 25%. So thinking about how that impacts,

1:41:43thinking about the impact of speed again, if vehicle speeds were 50 kilometers per hour,

1:41:48the survival rate as I mentioned before would be 15%. If only 15% reduction, similar to what I

1:41:54showed you with our own speed humps, survival rate would be 41%. If 50% speed reduction was shown,

1:42:03like the example provided by the City of Mississauga, survival rate of somebody involved with the

1:42:08collision would be 97%. A quick note to say vertical measures are very popular across Ontario. We

1:42:17conducted a review of traffic calming policies with vertical measures from 15 municipalities

1:42:23across Ontario. Every municipality reviewed included provisions for implementing vertical

1:42:29traffic calming measures in various forms, such as speed humps, speed cushions, and race crossings.

1:42:34While none forbid vertical measures, many municipalities excluded them on certain types

1:42:40of roads, including the use on collector roads, arterial roads, transit routes, emergency corridors,

1:42:45roads with speed limits of 50 kilometers per hour. We are here today in October requesting an

1:42:54update from you. In November and December, we will be performing public engagement, which I'll

1:42:59talk about in a moment, and between December and January, we'll come back to you with a

1:43:04completed updated traffic calming policy and we'll request your recommendation. On April 7th,

1:43:10an updated traffic calming policy will be presented to City Council.

1:43:15Regarding public engagement, Guelph residents are encouraged to apply to join a Civic Circle,

1:43:20a working group of to explore traffic calming measures and policy in detail. Four meetings made

1:43:25up of 12 to 15 people will be organized with the goal of the Civic Circle to provide recommendations

1:43:31to inform the new traffic calming policy. The application to join the Civic Circle will be

1:43:37shared with you to distribute following this meeting and the Civic Circle's final recommendations

1:43:42will be shared with you in advance of our next presentation with you. And here's our

1:43:47recommendations for you to consider, that the AAC receives the presentation of the traffic calming

1:43:55policy and that the AAC offers an update on their position regarding the use of vertical measures

1:43:59as part of the traffic calming policy. Thanks so much. Thanks, Nico. Does anyone on the Council

1:44:10have any thoughts, questions, ideas? Jen? I think you still might be muted.

1:44:26Sorry, noticing it's 4.59, is this something that we can put on next month's agenda?

1:44:32So maybe I can help with that, Jen, and then Nico and Laraz will turn it over to you.

1:44:36I think what they're looking for right now is input, if you have any input, but Nico had

1:44:41mentioned that they will be back in front of the committee at a later date with a finalized

1:44:47policy that can be reviewed and commented on at that time. Nico, Laraz, if I missed anything,

1:44:53please feel free to jump in. That's correct. Right now, though, for recommendation number two,

1:44:59we cannot offer, I don't feel comfortable in offering an update on the AAC's position

1:45:05for vertical measures as it's 4.59. I think there should, so it's because I have a feeling we would

1:45:14have questions to make sure that we clearly understand what we're asked to be being,

1:45:21we're being asked to update our position on. I personally would appreciate to have Nico and

1:45:28another colleague here to come to an additional meeting. I understand that you're looking at

1:45:33November, December for your next steps in order for us to have a clear understanding

1:45:38and ask our questions before updating position.

1:45:42Yeah, Jen, so maybe I can help a little bit more with that. I totally agree with you. I think

1:45:48what Nico was trying to outline is that what will happen is there's some action items that will

1:45:54take place. There'll be some work that's done and then you can come back or Nico, sorry, and staff

1:45:59will come back to the committee. And instead of providing an updated position on the vertical

1:46:04measures, it would just be comments towards what is a policy that's already been developed, Nico,

1:46:11am I correct? That's correct. So Jen, do you feel... Right now then we're really just looking at

1:46:16recommendation number one for today. Yes, we could do that today and that's all that would be

1:46:23required. It just gives an opportunity for comment twice essentially. So well, it's not a comment

1:46:30twice. It's 501 now. So I don't even know if anybody's dropped off. We no longer have quorum.

1:46:38I would prefer personally to continue a conversation with Nico, etc. rather than waiting until the

1:46:47circles come back and they already have that collaboration. If it is just to receive the

1:46:53presentation, we've now received it, but we haven't had an opportunity to talk about it at all or

1:46:58ask questions. That's all. Yeah, so what I'm saying is I think Nico also has a timeline in terms of

1:47:04the work going forward. So correct me if I'm wrong, but that timeline cannot be paused,

1:47:09but there still is an opportunity to provide comments in regards to vertical measures as well as

1:47:14the policy as a whole the next time you're back, which is either November or December, correct?

1:47:20Correct. We will be coming back in December or January with the finalized traffic calming policy.

1:47:26This is only if you have any feedback regarding your position on vertical measures.

1:47:33That's what I'm saying. We don't have an opportunity for feedback right now.

1:47:37Yes, I think so. I think we're in agreement. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead. That's okay. Absolutely.

1:47:43Because now Nico is from what I'm understanding. We're asking to give feedback on his policy later

1:47:51or their policy later rather than feedback now. We have not had the opportunity to give feedback

1:47:57now. That's all. I would just like that recognized in the minutes. Yeah, I'm not to screen with you

1:48:02at all. I think the goal Nico had here was to give two points of opportunity. It doesn't look like

1:48:10we're going to have that ability today, but it's not denying your ability to comment on any of this

1:48:15at all. I think that's what we're clarifying here. Oh, excuse me.

1:48:25Just using the email. I don't know what to do. So, Chair, we could just move recommendation number

1:48:33one that the ADC receives the presentation. And then Nico's already confirmed that they will be back

1:48:39in front of the committee. They'll be back in December or January, but the workers already put

1:48:47that. So, it's kind of redundant. Sorry, maybe I can help clarify. Some of the work is done

1:48:56but it's not completed because they have not gone to council by that time. There's still opportunity

1:49:01for comments, questions, concerns about the policy before they finalize the work, which would be after

1:49:08when they come back. The long answer I can put in is, can you choose that word? Yes. Yes. And I think

1:49:15Nico, did you have a timeline on when you were trying to go to council? Yeah, I will be going to

1:49:20council. I mean, we will be going to council on April 7th. And we will be coming back to the AC,

1:49:27either December or January, with a draft recommended traffic calming policy, a new one.

1:49:34Perfect. So, that being said,

1:49:36can I get a motion to get approval for just the first one that the

1:49:51accessible advisory committee have received the amazing presentation on the traffic calming

1:49:56policy? Can I get someone to approve that? Yeah.

1:50:00Jackie? Yeah. Can I get someone to second that, please? It's Cheryl. I'll second.

1:50:08Cheryl. So, no one news against, the motion will be carried. Does anyone have any

1:50:17announcements or anything like that? Apparently. No, we got Nico and Linnez.

1:50:23No, we're asked. Thank you so much. Have a great rest of your day. Yeah, you too. Thank you for having us.

1:50:29Thank you. And since based on time, would anyone like to move to adjourn the meeting if we don't

1:50:35have anything else? Jackie, your hands always up. Love it. And would anyone second it? It's Cheryl.

1:50:44I'll second. Cheryl. Then that's it. Well, yeah, meeting adjourned. Thank you very much, everyone.

1:50:53I hope you have a great day. And our next meeting here on November the 18th, I believe.

1:51:01Somewhere. Is it off? 2026. 18th. Yeah, perfect. Thanks guys for having

1:51:07ever great rest of your day. Thank you. Bye. Thank you. Bye. Bye everyone.

1:51:19Sorry for my upheaval. Bye, Brad. I'm just saying goodbye to Brad. Oh, I got the last one on the screen there.

1:51:28Good job.