Economic Development and Tourism Advisory Committee

0:03We are guests here and we should reflect upon the responsibility to care for this land,

0:09the people who live here today, and the generations to come.

0:13If our actions today can move us towards reconciliation, we should take pause and make those decisions

0:18with intention and gratitude.

0:21This place we call Guelph has served as traditional lands and a place of refuge for many peoples

0:26over time, but more specifically the Atta Wanderang and the Odinishone.

0:32This land is held as the treaty lands and territory with the Mississaugas of the Credit

0:36First Nation.

0:38Guelph lies directly adjacent to the Haldiman tract and is part of a long-established traditional

0:43hunting ground for the six nations of the Grand River.

0:47Many First Nations, Inuit and Métis people have come from across Turtle Island called

0:52Guelph homes today.

1:00And then, in the end of disclosure, is there any pecuniary interests or general nature thereof?

1:08Just to disclose it, I don't work for Crotor Concert and Engineering anymore.

1:12I work now for the Ontario Chamber of Commerce as a senior manager.

1:17I don't think there will be conflict of interest, but I just won.

1:20It's something that changed, so it should be noted.

1:23Thank you.

1:24So, congratulations, Guelph.

1:26Do I have someone to make their recommendation to approve the minutes from our last meeting,

1:37October 14th, 2025?

1:40Anu, thank you very much.

1:43And do I have someone to second that?

1:45Dennis, thank you very much.

1:48So the meeting minutes from our previous meeting have been approved.

1:52So we have two items for discussion.

1:54You're just called to vote.

1:56All in favour or anybody opposed?

1:59So, all in favour?

2:01Yes, any opposed?

2:03Thank you, Liz.

2:05You'll be doing that often.

2:07I appreciate it.

2:09Okay, so there are two presentations today.

2:11One from the one on the Datton Heritage Conservation District and another on Community Planning Permit System.

2:19The first presentation is Imogen Goldie, project manager, judge planner, and...

2:27Ben?

2:29Bring it over to that.

2:40Thank you very much.

2:42Thanks.

2:43Good afternoon, everyone.

2:44Thank you for providing me this opportunity to show the ongoing downtown Guelph Heritage

2:48Conservation District project with you.

2:50I'm happy to be here for the first time and meet all of you.

2:53Almost all of you.

2:54The first time.

2:55We've managed four.

2:56Yeah.

2:57Imogen Goldie, as mentioned.

2:59I'm the City's project manager for this conservation district project.

3:03The City...excuse me, next slide.

3:06It's better I don't control my own slides.

3:08We'll go up the rails.

3:10The City is currently working on three heritage conservation districts or HCDs, including the

3:15Ontario Reformatory Lands, the Ward, and of course, downtown.

3:19Much like a heritage designation can be created to protect the significant heritage building.

3:25The five of the Ontario Heritage Act allows for the designation and protection of a defined

3:29geographic area.

3:32Designating a district allows for the protection of a cohesive and connected heritage, a set

3:37of heritage features, like the limestone street walls along Wyndham, and can contribute

3:42to the maintaining of a strong sense of community in place.

3:45It also allows for consideration and provides guidance on in between spaces like parks and

3:50the public realm in a way that individual designations do not.

3:54Next slide, please.

4:00Conservation District is established in two phases.

4:02Phase one, or the study phase, creates an interim boundary.

4:05It creates the background and archival research and assesses the area against provincial criteria.

4:11Through research and community engagement, it ends with a background study and a proposed

4:16boundary for the final district.

4:18In the downtown, this phase went to council, with the study and boundary being unanimously

4:22supported.

4:24That was back in, I think it's up on the screen, September 4th of last year.

4:28Staff were then directed to be in phase two, which is the creation of the policies and guidelines,

4:33or the shouts and the shoulds, to help guide change in the downtown core.

4:37Next slide.

4:40Now, change is anticipated and desired downtown.

4:42There are city goals for density and employment in the core, and this plan is not meant to

4:47deter, hinder, or stop development, but to ensure that the distinct architectural and

4:52landscape identity of Guelph and the elements that the community has identified as important

4:56are considered and conserved while undergoing that change.

5:00The goal is less rigid and prescriptive, or less rigid and prescriptive plan, excuse me,

5:06with greater flexibility.

5:08The HCD allows for oversight and comment by heritage planning staff on development applications

5:13and through the issuing of heritage permits.

5:15Now heritage permits are fast and free.

5:19I hope the word fast doesn't come back to bite me, but so far, very fast and still free.

5:25They are divided into three streams, minor, major, and then one is split between new construction

5:30and demolition.

5:32Through delegated authority, minor applications are reviewed by staff and approved by the general

5:36manager of planning to make sure they're done quickly.

5:39Major are the same except they're reviewed by heritage planning staff as well as our

5:44Heritage Advisory Committee, then approved by the general manager of planning.

5:48And then finally, the new construction and demolition reviewed by staff reviewed by the

5:52Heritage Advisory Committee.

5:54They ultimately go to council and council is given the opportunity to make that decision.

5:59Let's get back on track.

6:02Actually, next slide, please.

6:05Heritage protections offer the intangible emotional benefits that come from maintaining

6:10community identity and the strong sense of place often referred to visitors to our open

6:15houses as wealthiness.

6:17They offer environmental benefits through the reduction of construction waste and its

6:21associated impacts.

6:23Heritage protections also offer economic benefits through opportunities for heritage

6:27tourism, specialized skill trades.

6:29And as shown most recently in a 2023 report prepared for the city of Hamilton, there's

6:35a growing consensus on the positive impacts on individual and district heritage designations

6:40on property values.

6:44Next slide.

6:47Now to help guide us and get close to the balance of heritage conservation and growth,

6:52both phases of this project have gone through extensive engagement and review.

6:56This included two public open houses per phase workshops with the downtown heritage

7:02conservation district focus group, the city's Heritage Advisory Committee, the downtown

7:07wealth business association and the city's downtown coordination staff group, as well

7:11as the accessibility advisory committee.

7:13Hopefully that helps with some of the initialisms and acronyms.

7:17The draft planning guidelines were then reviewed internally by planning staff and staff from

7:22other departments.

7:24After revision, it was submitted to our partners with the Mississaugas of the Credit First

7:27Nation and our friends at the Six Nations of the Grand River for comment.

7:31And finally, it went to a statutory public meeting October 15th to give council and members

7:36of the public an opportunity to provide formal comments on the draft.

7:41Next slide, please.

7:43Now, I've already covered some of these items through previous slides, but I wanted to draw

7:50attention to elements that came up frequently in questions from the public, from various

7:54organizations that we met with and from staff.

7:58These included emphasizing that heritage will not be a barrier to change in development.

8:02There is no prohibition on alterations, but it will provide clear guidelines to ensure

8:07the changes are sympathetic or empathetic to the existing downtown fabric.

8:13Now, this can be done in many ways.

8:16It can be done through guiding materiality, informing scale and massing of proposed developments.

8:23Setbacks and stepbacks will become important when we're trying to maintain...

8:27Guelph has a fairly distinct, fairly aggressive...

8:32Aggressive isn't the right word, but a three-story limestone street wall along our main road.

8:37We're also trying to maintain that human-scaled legibility as we are expected to grow up.

8:45Business owners were concerned about impacts on how they use and adapt interior spaces.

8:51So, making it clear that although heritage protections can be applied to interior elements,

8:55they will not be applied to interiors in the downtown court.

8:59They can be requested on an individual property basis, but it has become far less common and

9:05really does little, but interfere with how people use their space in any sort of programming.

9:11Heritage permits, as mentioned, fast and free, but most maintenance and upgrades can be done without

9:17a heritage permit at all.

9:20And insurance has been the big conversation of the year.

9:24Heritage staff are actively working to mitigate the impacts of heritage designations on property owners

9:29and their insurance.

9:32This has included conversations with the Insurance Board of Canada and many insurance companies and brokers in the region.

9:38We've developed a list of heritage-friendly insurers.

9:41It's now available as a resource on our Heritage Planning website.

9:46And we've also developed language with legal, more explicit bylaw language outlining the obligations of insurers,

9:53in the case of accidental partial or complete destruction.

9:56A lot of our insurance concerns and questions were coming from that

10:01a heritage building is lost, a heritage asset is lost.

10:06What is the requirement? What are the implications on insurers to rebuild or replace with original materials in original ways?

10:14And it doesn't benefit property owners. It doesn't benefit the city.

10:19It is something to be grieved, the loss of a heritage asset, but mimicking it or remaking it is folly.

10:28Next slide, please.

10:35We missed just one with no, it's gone entirely.

10:41Anyway, it was just a slide on next steps.

10:44Maybe this one. I think it's over there.

10:46I've got it out of our, it's just on next steps and contact info for me.

10:49Next steps, it goes for final review by the Heritage Advisory Committee at the beginning of December.

10:55It's then scheduled to go back to council for a decision at the end of January, January 20th, 26th.

11:01If supported, then a heritage designation by-law is prepared and once that's approved, then it comes into effect.

11:08So hopefully within the first few months of 2026.

11:13Now, under the Ontario Heritage Act, the project actually remains open to written feedback right up until the decision meeting.

11:20So if members of this group and of course members of the public want to continue to review and offer guidance and feedback in comment,

11:29it can be submitted to myself.

11:32There is also a downtown district website.

11:34It can be submitted in all of our frequently used communication ways in person or by mail to the clerks.

11:42And actually through the project's webpage, we do have an online section open.

11:48So we will be receiving comment and making minor revisions right up until the decision meeting comes, as I said, at the end of January.

11:57And that was my whirlwind and now it's the final flag. Thank you very much.

12:06I was just actually made aware of our little archive of aerial photos of the city and they are amazing.

12:14That's a gorgeous pic.

12:16So I'm trying to trot those everywhere possible.

12:20Thank you everybody and holding the questions of course.

12:34Three years ago we moved into our first home in Longnelo.

12:38It's from 1888.

12:40There is no heritage flag on it, but getting insurance already was a nightmare.

12:45We managed it, but nobody wanted to touch it.

12:50Yeah, it's good that there are some guidelines that you found for people.

12:55People might be afraid of get the tax designation, even though it is very important to keep that.

13:03Especially someone coming from Europe.

13:06It's good to see all the staff in North America.

13:09And I mean that in a very positive way.

13:12And we've heard it.

13:14I don't want to attribute it all to misinformation or misunderstanding, but even listed properties where there are no actual real protections in place

13:27are finding a challenge into a fine insurance just because there's uncertainty around what that means,

13:33uncertainty around what the implications are for the insurer.

13:36But inversely, we want to make sure that people are adequately insured.

13:40Their homes and their assets are adequately insured.

13:42And if there is that misunderstanding, if you can get it, is it adequate and is it protecting the right things in the right way?

13:51So there is still an ongoing challenge to demystifying heritage designations to make sure that everybody can be protected.

14:01Everybody is protected, but also that everybody is not taking a strange hit to their premiums out of misunderstandings.

14:10I can actually speak to that because I sit on the DGBA, the Downtown Well Business Association Board,

14:17and you were wonderful and did that presentation and there was some concern about just that.

14:24The property owners that are in the room that were saying that certain insurance companies wouldn't work with them and things like that.

14:30So I'm really happy to see that you've got a list of some heritage friendly people.

14:37Well, and we are finding that the new language in the bylaw is really shifting the needle.

14:44It's just making it explicit.

14:46We don't need a disnified replica of what's lost.

14:50It's a tragedy. It's horrendous.

14:53But we're not tracking down our beautiful locally quarried limestone.

14:58I wish that was a possibility, but please don't saddle individuals, especially individual property owners with that.

15:07And the expense of it too.

15:09Some of the people were concerned that they were hearing numbers of like a 200% increase in their insurance,

15:15which is quite considerable for property owners.

15:17So good on you guys for figuring that out.

15:20I see that's wonderful news.

15:22Thank you.

15:24So does this just change designation for certain buildings in the area?

15:32Or is it everything in that map?

15:36So within the boundary, they're broken up into contributing properties,

15:43which are the properties that sort of express that narrative.

15:46They express that the time in place of the limestone construction on the radial plan.

15:51And then there are non contributing properties, which either came much later

15:56or original properties that have been sort of renovated or remodeled to the point that they don't necessarily

16:03contribute or express shouldn't use kind of contribute in my definition of non contributing.

16:09So the contributing properties will have a certain set of policies and guidelines because of course those are

16:16sort of the assets as identified by the community and architecturally and historically significant.

16:24Then there is different guidance for the non contributing properties and the planning guidelines

16:31sort of forks you into sort of two streams of policy.

16:36Ultimately, everything is technically protected within the HCD and then it's just how they're dealt with

16:43in the policies and guidelines either because they are within the boundary,

16:47but also because we have legislative rules around adjacency.

16:52So if you are right next to or right across from a designated heritage property,

16:57you just have to show that you aren't impacting negatively impacting the heritage attributes of adjacent properties.

17:04So without making it too messy, everything has a level of protection,

17:11but not everything is protected as a heritage building.

17:14The heritage buildings have a certain set of guidelines and then even the non heritage just have to show that they're not

17:23causing any serious harm to the rest of that built environment, the rest of that fabric.

17:33You had good examples.

17:35Sorry, Erin. I was just going to say there was good examples of heritage property and then next door maybe

17:40a non contributing one was going to do something sort of crazy and very extreme and then does that take away from the

17:48designated, so there was conversations around hence why they have rules and regulations around contributing and non contributing.

17:55So just to have that consistency between for that purpose.

18:00And then that's where there will be guidance even though even an empty lot that has nothing currently,

18:08just to show that anything that is being built within that empty lot is making some attempt to converse with the rest of the built fabric,

18:16but also to enhance and highlight the heritage aspect of the downtown core.

18:23And it gets a little amorphous.

18:26It gets a little ambiguous because a lot of that comes from conversation with heritage planners and talk about, as I mentioned, materiality and design elements.

18:37It just provides some guidelines, some guidance, but also then encourages some creativity and how to do things.

18:46And how to make these new buildings work together in a way that maintains what we have or doesn't harm in any great way.

18:56And how would the current owners of the buildings in that designated area,

19:05like how do they know about the change to their designation?

19:11Like is it only when they're going to be trying to apply for permits to make changes or renovations?

19:19Or are they notified when the bylaw gets passed?

19:22Like how would they know what's going on for their property?

19:27Yep.

19:28Everybody, all residents and property owners within the boundary are notified by mail before public open houses.

19:38They're then notified by mail before either of the big council meetings,

19:42about the public meeting in October, decision meeting in January.

19:47Designation status is then registered on titles down the road if this is supported by council.

19:54And all property owners are notified of the designating of their property and of the bylaw.

20:00So property owners and residents are notified several times, many times throughout the process.

20:09Not to say that that may, that knowledge may be lost over time and then it will come up when it comes to any sort of major development applications.

20:30Thanks.

20:31Thank you so much for coming in and providing more information on the project.

20:37How would this bylaw and the signed bylaw, how do they work together? Should it be passed by council?

20:47Now, the guidance on signs within the HCD is fairly light and actually directs to the existing signed bylaw.

20:58Yeah, so there is no additional guidance.

21:03We feel the signed bylaw like at our lump, it is compatible with what we're creating for the HCD.

21:11So thanks.

21:18Any other questions?

21:19Well, thank you very much, Jun, for the presentation.

21:27Is there a recommendation then?

21:31There is.

21:33There's no recommendation currently, but if the committee wishes to pass a motion to receive the presentation or to provide specific comments to Imogen, I'm more than happy to capture that.

21:45I did, I did trash it just in case.

21:49So I'm happy to bring that up if you'd like to just receive.

21:53Sure.

21:55Okay.

22:05So it's just to receive the presentation today on the downtown heritage conservation.

22:10Okay, do I have someone to make the motion to receive the presentation on the downtown heritage conservation district?

22:18Still, thank you very much.

22:22On someone to second.

22:24Nicole, thank you very much.

22:27So the nobles in favour?

22:30Opposed?

22:33Wonderful.

22:35Thank you.

22:37Thank you.

22:39Good to see you.

22:43Our second presentation will be Will Gregory, project manager, policy planning for the community planning department system.

22:57And through you, chair, I've just messaged Will.

23:07He will be down shortly.

23:09Well, I'm going to take this moment to introduce our newest member to the committee.

23:24Sorry, I'm a company.

23:26I'm sorry, I'm so like, like, I'm just impressed enough.

23:30Do you want to just introduce yourself to the group and a little bit about your background?

23:34Were you coming from to Joyce?

23:36Yeah, I'm Chelsea.

23:38I was here last time but I was online, so I didn't really get to meet anyone.

23:41Oh, okay.

23:43I work as a senior sales manager for a hospitality company.

23:49And then I also just, I moved to Guelph about a year and a half ago.

23:53Before that, I worked with Six Nations Tourism with their band council office.

24:00So I've been in Guelph now, yeah, for about a year and a half.

24:03So I joined this committee.

24:05I also do some work.

24:07I sit on the board with RTO4, the regional tourism organisation.

24:11And then I also work with the Guelph Community Foundation on their grant review board.

24:16So yeah, just trying to get more involved with my new community and really happy to be here.

24:21Awesome.

24:23Welcome.

24:25Thanks.

24:27I didn't realize, sorry, that you were online with us.

24:29Yeah.

24:31Would it help to do a round table this way?

24:33Sure.

24:35Wait, are we done?

24:37Hi, my name's Nicole Butler.

24:39I work at Constantine College and applied research.

24:44So I work specifically in the years of food packaging.

24:48So food, hospitality, tourism, cool packaging and biotechnology,

24:53which feels really broad and basically.

24:55Yeah, whichever.

24:57Yeah, he's the chair of our RTO board.

25:00Oh, thank you so much.

25:02Yeah, he's great.

25:04And I'm Rostel.

25:06I'm the executive director of Business Centre in Wellington.

25:08So we are business advisory services.

25:10We've been around for 25 years and we are not for profit.

25:13But we are actually in an office here in City Hall because we were very close to that.

25:16Our friends said economic development and long ago, places to be.

25:20Nice to have you here.

25:22Thank you.

25:24I'm Daniel.

25:26I'm with the City of Mallory.

25:28Our angle here is kind of on the tourism side and then the beer bus product that we've put together for the 12th.

25:34Last one is this Saturday, just on Shields.

25:37Everybody just pulled it off all here.

25:40Yeah, and I was part of the previous tourism council that got automated in this one.

25:47I'm Dennis.

25:51I've been involved now for four years.

25:53Work was concerning downtown and September.

25:57Now I'm with San Terri Chamber of Commerce.

25:59I have a strong background in tourism as well.

26:02So worked on cruise ships, hotels and such.

26:04Then moved into more business management.

26:07And I've been now on this since June, I think.

26:13Yes.

26:17I'm Christine Chapman, the manager of economic development.

26:20I'm one of two staff liaisons for this group.

26:24The other is Alice Jaworski and she is unable to attend today.

26:28So if you have any questions at all, you can always reach out to me and I'm happy to help make any connections.

26:35So answering questions, please.

26:37I'm Malf and I work with Christine.

26:39I'm Dr. Malf and I'm interested in the CPS.

26:45Erin, go next.

26:47What?

26:49Just doing intros.

26:51Hello, I'm Erin Phillips.

26:53I own Ham and Stone Massage and Facial Spa on Woodlawn Road.

26:57And I was born and raised in Guelph.

27:00Several generations on my mom's side, actually.

27:04And yeah, just been very involved in the business community and interested in some things that affect our business and also just the community.

27:17So I also joined just, I think, in the summer as well.

27:26My name is Paul Blackburn, born and raised in Guelph.

27:30Currently the general manager here at Polycon Industries.

27:36So we're a division of MEG International, automotive parts supplier.

27:40I would say that we are the biggest employer under one roof in this area of Guelph.

27:47So here representing industry.

27:49Hi, Chelsea.

27:52My name is Anu Saxena.

27:54I'm the board chair for the Multicultural Festival and I've been a long time resident of Guelph.

27:59I would say for the last 31 years.

28:02So seen a lot happening in Guelph over the years.

28:05I attended the Multicultural Festival this year and it was incredible.

28:09Thank you.

28:11You're welcome.

28:15So, all right. Thank you everybody.

28:17So our second presentation today is by Will Gregory, project manager, policy planning, and it is regarding the community planning permit system.

28:28Thank you.

28:30I'm going to go to Will Gregory, project manager here.

28:33Do you want me to go in and share?

28:36All right, Tim. I have it ready.

28:38I'll read it.

28:40I'm ready to find it.

28:42Okay.

28:44That's it.

28:46All right.

28:48I'll take the next slide here.

28:50So before I start, I just want to do a quick poll.

28:53How many people are, you know, up to date aware of things like,

29:00when I have to say things like official plan, zoning bylaw,

29:03you guys are like, I don't know exactly what that is.

29:05I deal with that over time.

29:07You know, one.

29:09Tap it one.

29:11Tap it.

29:13From a small business perspective.

29:15We're always working in businesses and they're zoning in that kind of company.

29:17Yeah.

29:19We probably heard the term zoning.

29:21Know that it generally exists and probably know about it when you go to do something and then maybe someone says,

29:27like, your zoning permit, you can get your permit for that.

29:30But so, yeah.

29:32And that's to be expected.

29:34I think that goes for most people.

29:36I've worked in zoning for a long time, so I am very comfortable with zoning bylaws and zoning codes.

29:42But I do recognize that that is the exception.

29:44So I'll start off by talking very generally about what are these tools and why do they matter before I start talking about a different tool.

29:56That's the community planning permit system.

29:59So just generally, when you talk about planning and development, and this is, you know, you want to build something downtown, you want to renovate something downtown,

30:07you'll come through planning and you'll probably interact with either the official plan or the zoning bylaw.

30:15Official plan is really high level policies and goals.

30:19Usually it's set up like we want to see intensification of residential here.

30:27We want to achieve new parks downtown.

30:29So it's really high level, long term goals for development downtown.

30:34Usually 25 year horizon.

30:38The zoning bylaw is actual regulations.

30:42And those are actually in effect if you want to do something.

30:45So those are usually, you can only build up to four stories.

30:49If you want to build a building, it has to be 10 meters back from the street.

30:53Those kinds of really objective standards live in the zoning bylaw.

30:58So if you want to get something through, if you want to do something small, you're probably dealing with the zoning bylaw.

31:07If you want to build something really large downtown, you probably have to contend with both those official plan standards and the zoning bylaw.

31:16So that's the introduction to official plan zoning bylaw.

31:20If we go to the next one, I'm going to talk about something that's different.

31:24I'm going to talk about the community planning permit system or the community planning permit bylaw.

31:30And the reason that I started the zoning bylaw is that the community planning permit bylaw is really just a different kind of zoning bylaw.

31:37It does a lot of the same things as the zoning bylaw.

31:40It sets out what are your development standards? How high can you build? How far back do you have to be from the street?

31:45What kind of uses can you build?

31:47The CPP bylaw does all of that.

31:50I think I describe it as a zoning bylaw with a twist because it does basically everything a zoning bylaw does.

31:58But it allows a little bit more flexibility from staff so we can improve more things without sending it to a public hearing.

32:05And it also allows us to trade additional height and density for community benefits.

32:10And I will talk a lot about that later.

32:12But if you walk away with one thing, CPP bylaw is a zoning bylaw with a twist.

32:17That is the elevator pitch for the CPP bylaw downtown.

32:22When we talk about community planning permit system in Guelph, this is a pilot project.

32:28This is through the Housing Excelevator Fund.

32:30So we got some money from the federal government.

32:32This is part of our multi-step initiative to improve affordability in the city.

32:40We are doing a pilot project in Stone and Edinburgh which is already in effect.

32:45We have a community planning permit bylaw in Stone and Edinburgh already as of April.

32:50And downtown is the second phase.

32:52And this was part of our Housing Excelevator Fund commitment to look at implementing this tool in Stone and Edinburgh and downtown.

33:02Let's go to the next slide.

33:04Just showing some progress here.

33:10We are very late phase three.

33:12We are working on finalizing a draft for public release.

33:17We are looking...

33:19This one says Q4 to council.

33:21I think we are now in Q1.

33:23I think we are going to go in January for a council meeting now.

33:26So we will be doing public engagement in December, maybe early January.

33:31So there is going to be a lot more information forthcoming.

33:34So I am talking about a bylaw that we have substantially written.

33:38But we haven't actually released at this point is really where we are.

33:43And it will go to council a couple of times.

33:46Hopefully we will have this through by April.

33:50And then we will work on implementation which is more of an ongoing process with staff.

33:55Let's go to the next slide please.

34:00So when we talk about the community planning permit system.

34:05One of the things it does is it takes a few different development processes that you will

34:11encounter if you do something large scale and combines them into one.

34:15And the three specific processes that it combines with the zoning bylaw amendment process.

34:21That is where you go to council and actually change the rules in the zoning bylaw.

34:25So that is something that will be very large.

34:27So for instance if you have a site where you can build the six stories and you want to build 35.

34:32Where is that a unit council?

34:34And you can get council's approval to change the bylaw to allow what you are asking for

34:40above and beyond what the zoning bylaw actually requires.

34:44Minor variance is similar but that is a much smaller scale thing.

34:48There is a four test that we have.

34:51But they are really, really minor in nature.

34:56So let's say you have to have a 10 meter setback from the street.

34:59You want to do a 9 meter.

35:01And you can use the committee of adjustment and they can give you a site specific allowance.

35:05So you can do that.

35:07Again, in both of those cases, you are looking at something that staff cannot approve because it is

35:11beyond what the zoning bylaw allows you to do.

35:14And site plan is not like those other two.

35:17Site plan is where when you make an application you are actually working with staff on how

35:24your development is designed.

35:26So again this is for larger scale ones.

35:28If you are building a house you are not talking to site plan staff.

35:30But if you are building a 24-story building downtown you definitely are.

35:34So they are more interested in how does this impact the street?

35:37How does this impact your neighbors?

35:40How are you designing it so that we are seeing the best possible design?

35:44So that is more of an iterative negotiation.

35:49So right now you are applying for those separately.

35:52So those are discrete processes.

35:55But when we have a committee planning permit bylaw you are actually applying for that all at once.

36:02And I can talk a little bit more about how that actually works.

36:07So that is one thing that we like.

36:10That this should streamline development so that instead of sending you to council first and then you

36:15come talk to us about how it is designed, we know what we can approve up front.

36:19And then we can kind of talk about how it is designed concurrently.

36:23Instead of doing it and stretching out over the course of years.

36:29The other thing we really like about this is this allows us to secure community needs like affordable housing

36:34but not just affordable housing in exchange for additional higher density.

36:39It is one of the few ways that we can actually require affordable housing.

36:43We are pretty limited in our ability to do that.

36:46Community planning permit system is one of the really good ways that we can actually

36:52see affordable housing come out of developments without having to pay for it ourselves through incentives.

37:00Next slide.

37:06So I will read through these.

37:08So the 10,000 level take away is CPPS is much faster.

37:14So this is showing the current system where a developer will make a submission

37:20and they are going to go through that zoning bylaw amendment process

37:23so minor variance process and other relevant permits.

37:27So like if you are downtown and need to get historic that is in the other relevant permit box

37:32but it could also be something like environmental from the grant

37:35river conservation authority.

37:38So right now you are going through that zoning bylaw amendment minor variance process first.

37:42And basically you are going to stop and you are going to go through and make sure you can actually build the building you want to build.

37:48Then you make that site plan application and actually kind of massage it through.

37:52Then you go to building permit.

37:54So you have a lot of stops along the way which can draw development.

37:58Next slide please.

38:00If the community planning permit system it is one submission because within it we are able to have these variations where we can approve minor variations.

38:12So you are making one application and we have to review it within 45 days of receiving complete application and we have to read your decision.

38:22Then you go to building permit.

38:24There are no time frames on the other on our current system.

38:28But the community planning permit system is once we have a complete application we are going to review it and issue a decision within 45 days.

38:36And that can include things that don't strictly meet the underlying standards.

38:42Next slide please.

38:44So I am going to talk a little bit about these variations that we are able to do which is one of the big things that this does.

38:57It delegates a lot more authority to staff to approve things that don't meet the bylaw.

39:03So here we have a comparison of what the zoning bylaw does which is a lot more rigid.

39:09It sets out uses that are permitted.

39:11So that is things like retail, things like industrial uses, things like residential uses.

39:17And we definitely get very fine grade in those uses in the zoning bylaw.

39:23But basically how the zoning bylaw works is we have standards and you meet them or you don't.

39:31And if you don't we are going to send you off to a hearing and that works for permitted uses too.

39:37With our community planning permit bylaw we can kind of make those developments a little bit more flexible.

39:45We still have the development standards that you have to meet.

39:49But what staff can approve is actually a little bit more flexible.

39:53So we can approve things that don't strictly meet.

39:56We can also add in discretionary uses.

39:58So that allows us to approve things that we don't want to permit without any sort of oversight.

40:10But we think is appropriate under certain scenarios.

40:13But staff can review or approve that instead of sending you to council to get a site specific.

40:19So an example of that would be maybe like a restaurant in a residential area.

40:24We have discretionary use saying that we can approve this if you do X, Y and Z.

40:29And we can set whatever those standards are.

40:31And if you meet those we can approve it without sending it to council.

40:35But if you don't we're not going to approve it.

40:37So it's a way of introducing things that can be a little bit incompatible.

40:44But keeping it at the staff level which is a lot faster than going to committee of adjustment hearing or city council hearing.

40:53So that's fine.

40:54Next slide, please.

40:57So because we have this this this flexibility.

41:04It's got we've organized the applications into three classes.

41:08So a class one in the class three is basically how it works now.

41:13Class one is you meet the you meet all applicable development standards in the bylaw.

41:18We can approve that class three you don't meet it or send you to council.

41:22So that's the fact of the how it works now.

41:24So class two is that stretchiness in the middle.

41:28This is these are things that don't strictly meet, but we're going to allow staff to approve.

41:33So that class two is really the new thing that we're seeing in community planning permit bylaw is staff can approve things that don't strictly meet without sending you to council.

41:44And this next slide and give you example of what that actually looks like.

41:52So this is an example from the draft bylaw we're actively working on of how we can actually set this up.

41:57So in this case, you are two standards that you would have to meet for development.

42:02So a lot frontage that's how wide your lot is as measured from the road.

42:07So in this case, if you're in that downtown to precinct that we're going to create your lot has to be 12 meters.

42:14Wide in the end in the CPP bylaw, we're changing that a little bit so that we can approve.

42:23A lot that is 20% less or that's 9.6 meters.

42:29So we're we're able to approve at the staff level, something that is a bit smaller without actually saying you can build smaller.

42:38It's a discretionary decision.

42:39So staff don't have to approve that, but we're able to.

42:43If it's if it's not going to cause a lot of issues in terms of development.

42:49So that so we can do that as a percentage.

42:52That's really good for those objective number ones.

42:56First place index.

42:58That's a density control.

42:59So that's how much flurry can have relative to the line.

43:02So basically bigger your lot is the more flurry you can have.

43:07So in this case, you can have a 1.5 or a one.

43:12This one.

43:13This one's a little bit broader where staff can review it on a basic case by case basis.

43:19And if we think is appropriate, we can approve any level of variation without a variance.

43:24So this one.

43:26So this is how we're going to set this up.

43:30This one.

43:31And you know, there's a pros and cons to that the pro for the 20% or numerical one is a developer knows exactly what we're able to approve.

43:41It can go right down to 9.6 and make a case for it with that to the satisfaction of approval authority.

43:48It's a little, you know, you got to negotiate with us a little bit, but it's one where we're able to be a lot more responsive to specific developments because they vary across across the across the city.

44:05All right.

44:06Next slide please.

44:08I've talked a lot about those variations about how we make that the bylaw stretch here.

44:16The other big thing that this that the community planning permit system does is allows us to request community benefits that and in exchange for higher density.

44:28So this is actually taken from what's already in effect in stone Edinburgh.

44:33We're using that same class system.

44:38With it. So class one is this size building building that's five stories and ten residential units will charge you so what's called a complete community charge that's 4% of the land valley.

44:50Call it a day.

44:53For that class to similar to my first example, that's where you're kind of we're getting into that kind of like gray area where you're beyond the height maximum but within what staff can approve.

45:04We can now approve something that's taller than the bylaw says, but you have to give us affordable housing.

45:11So in this case, and so in Edinburgh, it's you have to give us 30% of the additional units you get.

45:16So for instance, if you can build a 10 stories and staff can approve, you know, six extra stories, you're getting six extra stories and staff can approve that without sending you for a council hearing, but 33% of the units and those additional six stories have to be affordable.

45:32And so it's a way of giving a little bit more certainty to developers granting allowing developers to build taller buildings, but also getting affordable housing, which we need in exchange for that.

45:48And you can you can either provide the units. We have a cash and loo option is nice at $1000.

45:55And if you want to build even taller, if you want to go to like 30 stories in sort of the road, which is not permitted by the bylaw or the staff level variation, we can say you'd counsel and you're basically going to negotiate and you're and but it creates a situation where we can actually get community benefits back from that as a condition of those developments.

46:20Right now, if you go to council and get that and get additional density.

46:24We can't ask for anything in exchange or we can't ask you to build a to have a community room in your in your building add additional parkland give us affordable housing. So it's a way of

46:39creating an expectation that larger scale developers will provide will give back and that's going to be proportionate to the value that they get in addition.

46:51Right. Next slide.

46:54So I use that term affordability. So I thought I should define it.

46:58This is actually given to us by the province.

47:01So when we say affordable for sale unit, that's anything that's for sale for $47,100.

47:11Providence will update that every year.

47:13So and there's no size limits on that.

47:17So if we're talking about condos, it could be a bachelor. It could be a three unit.

47:24The rental mix actually has a little bit more nuance when it comes to the actual rents that developer can charge the exchange for that. But this is what we're talking about.

47:37So we're not talking about like super deep affordability.

47:39We're talking about I think it's a household earning approximately 100,000 can afford and that's they're spending no more than 30% of their gross income on housing that and that's what we're.

47:53We're talking about so as an average household spending 30 no more than 30% of their gross income on housing and these are the figures that come up from it.

48:03Right. Next slide.

48:07It talks a lot about CPPs generally a little bit of a stone and bro.

48:12So I'll very quickly go over kind of what we're thinking about downtown.

48:18And then we'll talk about questions.

48:21So next slide please.

48:25So downtown.

48:28Basically, we're creating a second a second bylaw so we'll have a zoning bylaw applies most of the city and we'll have a second community planning permit bylaw they'll buy stone Edinburgh in downtown.

48:41So we're just so in terms of our approach we're actually taking the Disney bylaw for stone Edinburgh and just adding in the downtown parts.

48:49So the community benefits that are required will be different from from sort of Edinburgh because it's a very different context.

48:57And generally most of the.

49:01And most of the interpretation the directions, things will be the same because the community planning system interpretation stuff is going to be the same so large portions of that bylaw are going to be basically the same.

49:16So the downtown specific precincts where those development standards are different and the community benefits for requesting are different.

49:23Next slide.

49:28So for those community benefits.

49:31So an Edinburgh really focused on affordable housing big part of that was this was a housing accelerator fund project from the federal government and the mandate that that program is to improve affordability.

49:43So that was a big focus there with downtown affordable housing is 100% going to be one of them.

49:50But we can, but we're not kind of as limited so we can look at things like tying tying it into the to the.

49:58The historic conservation district and having community benefits for historic preservation.

50:06We've looked at Parkland to because we know that there's a parkland deficit downtown so looking at ways to top that beyond what's required already.

50:16So we're still working through that one of the challenges we're running into is we have to show that there is a proportionate relationship between the additional height that you're getting and what you're giving back, which is really hard to define we're

50:30talking about historic conservation and green building standards because we have to demonstrate that if you put in a green roof, it is worth X and you're getting your worth X amount of money and you're getting why amount of additional value because you're getting additional height and we have to be able to demonstrate that.

50:51So we're still trying to work through if we can do that the staff level or it's going to be more of a case by case, which would probably require a council, but that's something that we're still working through right now.

51:03We have a couple of financial analyses that look at different things and there is and it does show that there's potential for community benefits. So basically, we can ask for community benefits like affordable housing without causing projects to be non financially viable.

51:19So, which is really, really good.

51:24Next slide please. Alright.

51:29One interesting thing we're doing here is we're not changing maximum building heights. If you're following along, you may know that this that a council actually approved significantly taller heights downtown.

51:43For the most part, before the spring Max is typically around six stories. Now it's up to 24.

51:52And through this we will actually be implementing that and by that I mean we'll be updating development standards so that you can actually reach those heights.

52:01And I know the zoning bylaw hasn't been updated. So if you're on a site where you previously have four stories and then you have 24. If you came in tomorrow, we will say well the zoning bylaw says you four stories.

52:13So, so this the community planning permit bylaw will actually enable you to go up to 24 stories. So probably require some provision of community benefits.

52:25Alright, next slide. So this is just a fun slide this this shows the heat map of where do we actually approve additional height back in April the dark orange is is where we approved a lot more height and the pale is where we approved no additional height or actually in some cases some

52:47reductions. So you can see that generally it's south of the railroad tracks saw a lot of additional height so we're talking 18 to 20 stories of additional height that council approved back street wall bigger and there's a site on on the

53:05in the ward that received a lot of additional height but in large part there is about half and half some sites saw a lot and some sites saw zero.

53:18Next slide please. And this is my last content slide.

53:24And this is our draft map so basically we're taking our existing zoning map we're creating these fun new precincts and in our initial attempt with really a one to one we have made a lot of changes when we release this publicly we know that people will be talking to us and we'll probably make some

53:43slide adjustments, but this is largely what's already in place in terms of the precincts we call them precincts. They're basically the same as owns they tell you what your development standards are.

53:58So I'm going to go up with a new name because it's a new bylaw but it really do basically the same thing. All right. That's my last slide. So if you have any questions. I'm happy to answer them I went through a lot of content very quickly.

54:14And in addition this is a very specific kind of wonky land use tool so I expect there'll be some clarification questions.

54:22So I have a question and comment question so by and I understand for the longest time there was issue with building stories because of the sideline of the church.

54:34Is that so has that changed or because of this allowing of this or is there still some complexity of that they're closest to the silica or yeah.

54:47So if you reshare the presentation. Yeah because it looked like it was not it didn't look like approvals were around the church. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know that sort of helps a lot.

55:00So let's go to the number six slide 16. Yeah. So when the official plan amendment that approved the issue of heights incorporated site lines from the church into where the heights are permitted.

55:20So there are so the the sidelines are actually on this map those are what those lines lines.

55:28I think the one up on air most is the easiest to see because it comes out of downtown. Yeah. So the so the the project seeks to maintain those sidelines so it limits the height and in in areas where you have this important business.

55:48It did change it down Macdonald which is why there's potential for high for taller heights where now it's a line to the street not the buildings.

55:58And so someone comes in and requests additional height we have some to counsel on that the sidelines would be a valid reason to say no based on our policy policy would not support all their buildings we have a site lines.

56:16Right. But I can see where the sidelines are. Yeah. See what's going on. Okay. And whether it was just a comment more that you would be nice to have you present at the DGB as well.

56:26I am one talk to them in August but I'm happy to go talk to them again. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like you got to talk about this a few times. I agree. I'm happy to go back. Yeah.

56:44It's a very nice presentation. So you know how to communicate something that might seem very dry. So I enjoyed it very much. So well done.

57:00So my understanding is you try to put some God rails for your stuff so that they have more flexibility to approve stuff.

57:10How do you encourage that they take the risk of making a decision war.

57:16Are there different levels within the department that might say they should do the manager or what is your approach on that because it would be a very different system to before.

57:28It is. So I will say anyone who's working development can think of at least one if not dozens of examples of projects where you've had to send them to a hearing where you look at and say this is fine because of the really unique conditions on that site.

57:47You can't need that setback. It's physically impossible but it has to send you. So I think there's going to be interest in it on the staff side and I've heard some of that.

57:59I haven't heard as much concern around the variability stuff as long as it's really set and we have specific standards and if we say no we can defend it and we do have some of those in there in the in the bylaw.

58:13There's a little bit more anxiety around the site plan. That's where you actually design the site in 45 days because typically takes a lot longer than 45 days right now it takes.

58:26You have 18 months to go through that back and forth. So that's where a lot more of the anxiety is coming in and how we do that. So.

58:37My reaction to that is trying to build up our processes with with the input of staff so that they are part of how we build this instead of becoming excited. I work in policy.

58:51I'm not reviewing projects here and I'm not the person who come in and this day this is how you're going to do it now. So it's more of a collaborative approach to build up our processes around it and focus on the benefits of this and how this will make your job easier

59:07and trying to work through some of these legitimate concerns around how do we review this in 45 days. That's really the thing I hear most of the time is how do I do this in 45 days.

59:20Leveraging our pre construction meetings leveraging our pre submission meetings and really encouraging applicants to go through those.

59:31In this system you have to come in for pre construction before you even apply you have to come in and talk to us and we'll kind of identify us or using that as a way of identifying.

59:42Do we think staff can approve this do we think that staff can approve this with variations or do we think we'll have to say the council so we can do that right up front.

59:51And also encouraging pre submission which is separate so that we can actually see some of those more developed drawings.

59:58So it's we're still working on that even though we actually have a byline in the facts as of April 8 we're still kind of working through how we actually do that because this is very new and we're the we're actually the first urban municipality to adopt this.

1:00:17It's been this tool has been around for a while but it's mostly some of the like small municipalities in the Lake Country that adopted it and they didn't have this this density bonus saying affordable housing component to it.

1:00:31Although there's a lot of other stuff actively working on it so it's definitely going to be more widespread in the next couple years.

1:00:43Thank you.

1:00:44Is there any tension to quantify or collect data in terms of like what's getting passed and what's not like it like your building fuzziness basically and so if it's everything's going there and just getting rejected that.

1:00:59Yeah, that we know is that all working.

1:01:01So right now our data is really easy.

1:01:05We've seen zero obligations.

1:01:07So and and then it's not a great development market like we've seen development down across the board so I don't think that that's you know saying that people are avoiding it.

1:01:19We have one developer who insists that they're going to give us a big development to get you know they'd be on the custom develop of something in an application since.

1:01:28February.

1:01:29So that may come to fruition.

1:01:32So, but we do keep really close tabs on on development and and reporting on it and and if we're sending everything to council to because we don't feel comfortable doing it.

1:01:46That's at least I we're going to keep an eye on it.

1:01:49That's indicative of an issue with the bylaw where variations standards are not sufficient or staff don't feel comfortable in making those discretionary decisions which is a change from now or right now.

1:02:05The bylaws is no so it's it is going to be a bit of an adjustment period.

1:02:10My grace is comfortable.

1:02:12Yeah, yeah.

1:02:13Yeah, zoning is very black and white.

1:02:15You meet it or you don't.

1:02:17And this one is a little bit you can't you don't meet it but you do so.

1:02:22Yeah, yeah, it's going to take a lot of a lot of effort to socialize this with the staff and get people really comfortable making those decisions.

1:02:34And certainly, technically, it's the GM, the general manager of building and planning services, Christa, what you can actually sign off on it.

1:02:44So if you really don't feel comfortable on it, say, Christa, I think this means but I don't want to sign off on it.

1:02:51She can she can weigh in on it too.

1:02:53So we have internal processes to just like any development.

1:02:57That will come up sometimes.

1:02:59I would imagine to with the heritage piece now that once that that gets approved by council, then that will be a layer for your downtown as well.

1:03:07That's right.

1:03:08And the heritage is actually going to run separately from very from our community planning permit system.

1:03:14So I mean, it currently does too.

1:03:19There's still there is some correlation there.

1:03:23So that'll be interesting.

1:03:24We figure I haven't quantified a heritage window.

1:03:28Yeah, relation to height will be a really good shape.

1:03:30Work in progress.

1:03:33Yeah.

1:03:34And you mentioned cash and you are foregluing.

1:03:37You can just talk a little bit more.

1:03:39Absolutely.

1:03:40So cash and Lou, we felt was needed in Sonnenbro and needed downtown as a way of giving developers a little bit more flexibility.

1:03:51The $97,000 came from the financial analysis for start at Enboro, just trying to quantify how much value the developer was receiving from the additional height.

1:04:05And then we kind of think we ended with a couple with Sonnenbro.

1:04:11I think we had two and then we just kind of an average of them.

1:04:14This is what the cash and Lou is going to be with downtown.

1:04:19I think we have six values that are really big range.

1:04:22So we're still trying to work, work out with the, the financial consultants who did a report for downtown, what that appropriate and defensible number is.

1:04:34We're hoping it'll be 97,000.

1:04:36So there's consistency.

1:04:38Because just so that we don't have to guess what it is and make mistakes.

1:04:47But that look that came out of, we did a financial analysis in Sonnenbro.

1:04:51We're doing one downtown that just that goes through and quantifies the value of additional stories.

1:04:58And so you have a financial analysis that was part of our report to council that, that, that told us how basically how much value we're giving to developers and how much affordable housing can we ask recently in exchange.

1:05:16So does that go to a pot for affordable housing then that extra so if I, if I choose to do the cash, what happens to that money?

1:05:23In Sonnenbro, we created a new reserve fund for affordable housing.

1:05:28Somehow it goes towards affordable housing of another project nature.

1:05:32Yeah, it's currently empty because we haven't received any applications.

1:05:39But for some cases 97,000 is pretty cheap.

1:05:42Yeah, yeah, we also want to make sure we're not, we're not incentivizing people not to do it.

1:05:48Right.

1:05:49That's what I'm wondering.

1:05:50With affordable housing, you're exempt for development charges. So you want to make sure that we're not asking if we asked for $20,000 per affordable housing.

1:05:58Like we're going to get 100% cash a little bit every single time.

1:06:01So just to make it valuable enough for us, but it is less than a unit would cost.

1:06:07100%

1:06:08Not too much of a punishment.

1:06:16And you showed all those classes. How, how does that figure out? Is that just your knowledge of what typically gets asked for?

1:06:22Is it a problem or?

1:06:24So my approach with downtown is we looked at what are people actually asking for variances for?

1:06:32Why are people going to the community of adjustment and seeing if there is anything there?

1:06:36A lot of them are uses surprisingly, which in the case, maybe we'll look more at discretionary uses.

1:06:43And then for downtown, a lot of the standards around urban design.

1:06:48So first floor height, tower separation, tower size, things like that.

1:06:57So I brought in our site plan team.

1:07:02And I actually asked them to give me a ranking of how comfortable do you feel giving variance?

1:07:08Like no, like, give me, tell me no flexibility, some flexibility, a lot of flexibility.

1:07:14And that was our starting point. So generally this had no flexibility.

1:07:20And so that's our starting point. And then we'll, through the public consultation process, we'll work through it with developers who I expect are going to say everything should be really flexible.

1:07:31And we'll come to something that works so that staff can still do their jobs and that we can safeguard urban design excellence downtown.

1:07:42Also, we're not pulling an obstruction to our conservation district. It's also going to be a big concern.

1:07:51Do you see this as something that mostly like bigger developers are going to be interacting with or is, is our small businesses also going to be interacting with this?

1:08:07I think everyone, anyone who does development downtown will interact with it. I think small businesses will probably see more of the variations.

1:08:16So if you want to open up a new business and have to change abuse, I think that's something that where you, where small businesses would interact with this a little bit more.

1:08:28If they want to make changes to the building, especially making the building bigger, they would interact with this.

1:08:35But the affordable housing portion really kicks in if you're building a building that's five stories or more and you're adding your residential units.

1:08:44So that part will really apply to developers, but the design, the development flexibility is open to anyone who otherwise would have to give a hearing if they want to change the building.

1:08:56If it's just one for one swap, I think if small businesses aren't dealing with the zoning bylaw now, they probably won't deal with the, with the, with the community planning permit bylaw.

1:09:09So I think that if you can think of examples where someone had to go get a variance or had to go get a council, they would, they would be dealing with this and potentially see some of those efficiencies where staff can improve that instead.

1:09:22And because there has been, in our case, you know, where they may be the particular place where they wanted to run the business was not so specific to that use, right?

1:09:30And so that's where the variations would have to vary.

1:09:33It says I should say variations.

1:09:35Yeah, I should say.

1:09:36Yes, it's going to be use. You want to open a new business and it was use a it's going to be use me. That's that would be my guess because most most new tenants don't put a new story on the building.

1:09:48No, typically.

1:09:50By use would be a big thing.

1:09:53And are these two areas kind of looked at as a bit of a trial to see if it'll be opened up to other areas of the city or is it just going to be these two areas.

1:10:05Yeah, it's a pilot project. So we were trying not to bite off more than we could chew because it even though we've only done two, it's still, it is still a big undertaking and we're finding that Stortenboro and downtown are very different.

1:10:20And that even though we've already have the community playing permanent bylaw in effect, we're finding that there's a lot of different considerations downtown.

1:10:32So we are developing the bylaw so that it can be expanded to other areas. So that's kind of the, so you can just kind of, we want to, you know, add in, I don't know, maybe part of the south end.

1:10:48It's defined.

1:10:50The intent is that you can just.

1:10:54Identify what those precincts would be added as a designated area and you pretty quick is the intent.

1:11:01conceivably, we could replace the entire zoning by all of it, replace it with the community playing permanent bylaw.

1:11:06That's also something that we could do. But right now, because it was part of the housing accelerate accelerator fund and we received money from the feds to do it to incentivize affordable housing.

1:11:19I was super. It is very, very targeted towards these two areas to make sure that we can implement it incentivize affordable housing and give that money from the feds.

1:11:32The targets.

1:11:34What more do you think to.

1:11:36Yeah, yeah, in this bill, the town of Innisfil has a committee playing permanent bylaw.

1:11:44They've had one for a long time and they just expanded it to cover the entire town.

1:11:50But that's.

1:11:52I think that's the only one and they used it at this year. So it's, it's, it's pretty rare and before this I was reading Oakville's the town of Oakville's planning one and they're, and they're doing basically they have three go training station area.

1:12:07They're kind of looking at it as incentivizing development and finding ways to encourage new housing around the GO train station. So, of course, the literature down.

1:12:17Any other questions?

1:12:27For will anyone from online.

1:12:36And they should accept this presentation.

1:12:41There's no formal recommendation from staff or proposed recommendation from staff, but I did craft one to receive. Also, if the committee wants to draft a motion on any of our provide will with feedback or comments.

1:12:58That's, that's up to the committee and I'm here to help with that. So, I'll do.

1:13:05So with the first part, someone to make a motion to accept the community planning permanent system presentation.

1:13:16Oh, thank you very much. So in a second.

1:13:19So thank you very much.

1:13:22All those in favor.

1:13:25Oppose.

1:13:28Wonderful. And so sorry, what was the second part of it?

1:13:32The committee has a specific motion they'd like to draft.

1:13:37By comments or again, anything, any feedback has to be captured in a resolution. So if there is something that the committee wishes to provide staff with them.

1:13:49You go strongly about something part of that.

1:13:52Yeah, I mean, yeah, Will has heard the and the meeting is recorded, but minutes do go to council. So anyone with anything additional time for that.

1:14:04Okay. Thank you.

1:14:08Oh, for your presentation. Thanks everyone.

1:14:10Thanks.

1:14:12Yeah.

1:14:15Point three, are there any chair and staff announcements?

1:14:21Toys and funding streams are currently open. So they are open and available from now until the end of the month. And we have our info session tomorrow on just to help people through those applications.

1:14:36And Victoria, our economic development officer is also meeting with businesses or nonprofits organizations one on one where people have an idea but aren't sure how to approach the application.

1:14:48Coaching, providing some feedback, that sort of thing. So just if anyone's in your network who might be interested, please keep that to the top of their mind.

1:15:04Any other announcements?

1:15:06Okay.

1:15:10That wraps us up. So we'll move to adjournment.

1:15:14Someone make the recommendation for adjournment.

1:15:21Thank you, Charles.

1:15:22But one second.

1:15:25Thank you very much. Aaron wraps us up next meeting.

1:15:29We're going back to Tuesday for the next one Tuesday, December 9, 3pm, right here.

1:15:37Hi, I recommend your topic.

1:15:41Does that have to be or should that be written?

1:15:44Yep. So you can email Crooks office and staff and then in consultations with the staff in the chair, we can look at adding an item to the list.

1:15:54I was trying to Aaron offline. We were talking about business permit, just the business permit process and maybe a good topic because.

1:16:01Business licensing.

1:16:02Yeah, business licensing and classifications and it'd be interesting because, you know, I mean, we, there's a lot of businesses that have to apply for business license to run and.

1:16:12I get calls every day because they still need where the licensing office.

1:16:23So would you not so would you email that as a formal process? Okay.

1:16:30Also, thank you everybody.

1:16:31Thank you.

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