Accessibility Advisory Committee

0:02Okay.

0:03Okay.

0:04Sorry, Laine.

0:05Go ahead.

0:06We do have more on.

0:08Awesome.

0:09Thank you so much.

0:11All right, everyone.

0:12Welcome to the August 20th AC meeting.

0:15Thank you so much for coming.

0:17We're going to start with the Indigenous

0:19territorial acknowledgement.

0:21As we gather, let us take time to reflect on our

0:24privilege to live and work in Guelph, a city built over

0:27rich Indigenous histories.

0:29We're guests here and we should reflect upon the

0:31responsibility to care for this land, the people who

0:33live here today, and the generations to come.

0:36If our actions today can move us towards reconciliation,

0:39we should take pause and make those decisions with

0:42intention and gratitude.

0:44This place we call Guelph has served as traditional

0:46lands and a place of refuge for many peoples over time,

0:49but more specifically, the Atawanderaw and the

0:52Haudenosaunee.

0:53This land is held as the treaty lands and territory with

0:56the Mississaugas of the Credit First Nation.

0:58Guelph lies directly adjacent to the Halden

1:00Intract and is part of a long established traditional

1:03hunting ground for the six nations of the Grand River.

1:06Many First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples who have

1:09come from across Turtle Island called Guelph home today.

1:12There's a link in the agenda to learn more about the

1:15Indigenous territorial acknowledgement.

1:18First item today is a disclosure of a conflict of

1:21interest.

1:22Does anyone have a conflict of interest?

1:24They'd like to disclose for today.

1:29I don't see and hear any.

1:32Moving along, approval of the agenda.

1:35Would anyone like to approve the agenda for today?

1:38Have a hand up in the room.

1:41We have Mike.

1:42Yeah.

1:43And we need a seconder.

1:45Awesome.

1:48Thank you so much, Sue.

1:50Is anyone opposed to the approval of the agenda?

1:54Don't see.

1:57We'll hear any.

1:58Perfect.

1:59And then approval of the minutes of the last meeting.

2:02Then we'd like to approve the last meeting's minutes.

2:05Deborah, thank you.

2:06And in order, seconding.

2:11Thank you both very much.

2:13Is anyone opposed to that?

2:15I don't see or hear any.

2:17Awesome.

2:18So the first item today is the consent agenda.

2:23We need someone to approve the consent agenda.

2:26And so someone to second that.

2:29Deborah, are you raising your hand to approve the agenda?

2:32Or is that a hand from the last?

2:36That's a hand that won't come down.

2:38Okay.

2:39That's fine.

2:41But I'm happy to approve the consent agenda.

2:44Okay.

2:45And we've got a seconder.

2:47Sue.

2:48For the motion that the consent agenda as outlined.

2:51Be received.

2:52It's just got a brief update there.

2:55All right.

2:56And now moving into the committee items.

2:58The first item today is.

3:03Walking, cycling and rolling active transportation.

3:05Strategy.

3:06We've got staff here today to discuss Kate Berry.

3:09I believe it's here to talk for five minutes.

3:11And then we have 15 minutes to discuss.

3:13So Kate, if you're there, you can go ahead.

3:15Great.

3:16Thank you very much.

3:17How is my sound?

3:18Can you hear me?

3:20Okay.

3:21Yes.

3:22Perfect.

3:23Great.

3:24Thank you.

3:25Good afternoon, everyone.

3:26Thank you for having me at your meeting today.

3:28So my name is Kate Berry and I work at the city of golf as a project

3:31manager in the transportation and the development of the city.

3:34I'm here to share information about a new city project and to seek

3:38recommendations from the committee in this first phase of our study

3:41work.

3:42The goal of this project is to design a user friendly system of

3:45signs and other information tools that will enable people to easily

3:49find their way along whilst trails and cycling routes.

3:52We want to design a way finding system that's going to help residents

3:56and visitors to plan their trips to S and C.

3:59And choose the best route for their needs.

4:02And our focus is on improving navigation of existing trails and

4:07cycling routes.

4:08So we're not going to be designing or constructing any new trails as

4:13part of this project.

4:15The system of signs will be designed to meet AODA requirements,

4:19including the integrated access to the city and the city,

4:23including the city of golf.

4:25And the city of golf will be able to provide access to the city of

4:29golf as well as the city of golf.

4:31And we will be working on the AODA requirements, including the

4:35integrated accessibility standards within Ontario regulation

4:381911.

4:39And also the city of golf's facility accessibility design

4:43manual.

4:44In terms of timeline, the engagement for this project began in July

4:49and will be continuing through towards the end of the fall.

4:53So we'll be hosting a public engagement event in early 2025.

4:57And then in terms of public engagement, that's been coordinated

5:01through the city's have your say website page.

5:04We currently have an online survey posted there and that is open

5:08until August 23rd.

5:10So that's the end of this week.

5:12And we'll then be hosting several public engagement events throughout

5:16the month of September.

5:18And we plan to publish an engagement summary report sometime in

5:23the month of September.

5:25And then we can go to the next slide.

5:31Thank you.

5:32So today I'm seeking two main recommendations from the committee

5:36that will help inform the process and outcomes of this project.

5:40The first recommendation is that the accessibility advisory

5:44committee receive the staff report for the project entitled

5:48finding your way, walking, cycling, and rolling.

5:51And the second recommendation is that the committee provide

5:54recommendations for staff regarding the following five topics.

5:57So I'll read each of those out.

5:59Topic one is any sections of trails or cycling routes in Guelph

6:03that you feel would benefit from better wayfinding.

6:07Topic two is destinations or places in Guelph that are important

6:11to include as information on new wayfinding signs.

6:16Topic three is any features that are helpful for making wayfinding

6:20signs and tools accessible for people walking, biking, and

6:25rolling in Guelph.

6:27Topic four is examples of wayfinding signs or other tools that

6:31you've seen in Guelph or in other cities that you think we should

6:35consider as good best, you know, leading practices.

6:39And finally, topic five is any individuals, groups, or

6:43organizations that we should engage with on this project.

6:49So that's it from me.

6:51Keep it pretty short.

6:53Thank you all for your time today.

6:55And I look forward to your recommendations.

6:57And I'm really happy to answer any questions.

7:01Awesome. Thank you so much.

7:03So, yeah, we've got some time here to discuss.

7:06Would anybody like to start off?

7:08Shannon, your hand is up.

7:09I'm not sure if that's from before or if you had a question.

7:12I apologize.

7:17That was from before.

7:18Oh, that's okay.

7:19It happens.

7:20Deborah, go ahead.

7:22Thanks.

7:23And thanks, Kate, for this opportunity.

7:25I think it's really exciting to see walking, cycling, and

7:28rolling all together as part of this.

7:32I spent a lot of time on the biking trails in and around

7:38Guelph and on the rail trails.

7:41And I would say that some of the best I've seen in terms of

7:46wayfinding are in Branford.

7:50So, they, what really stood out for me is that they had maps

7:57of where the trails were strategically every few hundred

8:02meters, including clearly identified distances from one

8:09notable location to another.

8:12And so, you could plan and then they, of course, had

8:16really good seating and good paths and all those other

8:20sorts of things.

8:21But you could figure out how long you wanted to go by

8:24being in touch with the wayfinding.

8:27And to me, that was a really good practice.

8:29And they had it going both directions.

8:32So, you know, and they gave you multiple possibilities.

8:37So, to me, that might be something if I'm sure you've

8:41already are aware of their system, but they stand out

8:45in terms of my experience.

8:47So, then I had a question.

8:49I know that we've recently, like in the last year, got the

8:53Guelph to Goddarditch trails put into our trail system here,

8:59like the wayfinding signs.

9:02Is this going to be sort of on top of it?

9:07Are we going to have multiple signs?

9:08I already find it kind of confusing.

9:11Let me give you an example of where I find it confusing.

9:15So, I bike over the covered bridge.

9:18I cross Gordon and I bike up Gordon Street Hill.

9:22And at the point where I have to cross the street to get into

9:28the bike lane up Gordon Street Hill, there are two signs that

9:33tell me that I'm on the Great Lakes trail system and I'm on

9:37the Guelph to Goddarditch trail.

9:39Neither of them give me any information about the incredibly

9:42steep grade.

9:43I'm going to be going up.

9:46And they don't actually like they kind of peter out there.

9:51So, I guess what I find when I'm in Guelph per se is there's

9:55very little signage and what signage there is is often

9:58confusing.

10:01So, that's my initial sort of feedback.

10:05Mike has his hand up in the room.

10:08Yeah, I just have a question.

10:10Mike, have you used any app?

10:13Like say there's an app I have on the iPhone.

10:15It's called Wheel Map that shows places that are wheelchair

10:19accessible, stuff like that.

10:21Might that be something we could maybe use as like kind of a

10:24blue proof?

10:25I think having an app that would show areas that are fully

10:28accessible for like kind of trail, especially I like the

10:31ever suggestion of like how good is this like kind of grading?

10:35Like is it like a steep incline?

10:37I do a lot of trails back in the bush.

10:40It's helpful to know can I take this hill in my chair?

10:45I think having signage that would have QR codes would be

10:50really useful saying, hey, just so you know, here's what's

10:53kind of coming up, stuff like that.

10:56There's a lot of interesting tech you could bring to this

10:59that would really help people because like if I knew I could

11:03plan out a wheelchair route to go back on trails and I know

11:06exactly where I'm going, that would be super, super useful.

11:10And you could even integrate existing data from Google

11:14Maps and stuff like that.

11:17Yeah, like I've got a bunch of cool ideas for tech stuff.

11:21So it will take more than what time we have here.

11:25But yeah, I think you could do a lot of really neat stuff with

11:27like tech and GPS data, stuff like that.

11:30So honestly, I was thinking like there again, just two

11:35seconds, I know in Pokemon Go, weird example, but they show a

11:40topographical map of like areas.

11:43If we could have that for the trails in Guelph, that would be

11:46really interesting.

11:48And I think that would be a really cool thing for people to

11:50plan stuff out because there's a lot of really nice bike trails

11:52around here that people can take advantage of.

11:56Sorry, Chris.

11:58Chris, Chris, Chris.

12:01Thank you very much.

12:03I remember this conversation came up a few years ago in another

12:07sort of path that we're taking, but there are some comments

12:11around providing signage at the beginning of a trail that would

12:13indicate what sort of ground coverage would be on there.

12:16If there's any sort of obstacle that's to be experienced while

12:19traveling on a trail, like if it's a clean path, if it's covered

12:22with a little pea gravel, you know, if it's wood chip, if there's

12:27any kind of obstacles there, you can make that known to people at

12:29the outset so they don't think it's stuck halfway down a trail.

12:33Just thinking about providing that information out front and then

12:35providing secondary or tertiary signs along the way to let people

12:38know.

12:40Just a little reminder that, you know, these things that these

12:42obstacles are coming up.

12:44I remember that being a subject of discussion a few years ago, so

12:46that might be something that you might want to think about when

12:48you're working on this as well.

12:50So just a comment.

12:52And that's it for me.

12:55Just kind of, I'll let you finish.

13:01I realized we're, sorry, one sec, Mike.

13:03Kate, I realized we're just kind of blasting through questions

13:05or if you need a chance to respond or anything, feel free.

13:08Thank you.

13:10I'm just taking notes mainly.

13:12It's great so far.

13:14Thank you.

13:16Sorry. Just one more thing.

13:18It's Chris again. I apologize for this, but Mike raised a really

13:20good point about it being seasonal.

13:22So seasonal awareness on trail conditions, whether it be fall,

13:24summer, spring or winter.

13:26And if an area is vulnerable to wash out or something like that.

13:29These are all things to consider if you're going to be making

13:32trails, specific trails to accessible.

13:34Awesome.

13:42Thank you.

13:44Deborah, you go ahead.

13:46Thanks.

13:48That made me realize that one of the pieces that I don't see often

13:51in the trails, but it was really important information is

13:54where it intersects with traffic.

13:57So some of the trails go through high traffic

14:00areas and people need to be aware of that with

14:03not just the trails, but the trails that are

14:06going to come up to an intersection or things like that.

14:09Thank you, Deborah.

14:12I don't see any other hands up.

14:14So I had a couple of things as well.

14:19I wanted to mention one thing that I would love to see in terms

14:31of specifically wayfinding and signage is I'm a manual

14:36chair user.

14:38So one thing that's really hard for me sometimes is when I get

14:41on to the trail conditions, I'm not sure if I'm going to be

14:44able to walk across the grass.

14:46But one thing that's really hard for me sometimes is when I get

14:49on to an accessible path, I think sometimes people don't

14:52realize that I'm stuck on that path until the next curb cut or

14:56accessible exit.

14:58So you might think, oh, well, if you get on this pathway, you

15:01can leave at any time.

15:03You can just walk across the grass and leave the park.

15:05But someone like me, I can't.

15:07And it's really helpful for me to know when entering a path,

15:10when the next accessible exit will be.

15:12And like the path through the park that goes through the

15:17covered bridge and all that, there are a lot of areas where

15:20you could potentially get off that pathway.

15:22But someone like me, I'm stuck on that path until the next

15:25curb cut.

15:26So having a sign at the entrance to different, like having

15:30signs where the entrances are that are accessible, saying

15:33you're about to enter a path that there will not be another

15:36curb cut for this many meters, kilometers, however long it's

15:39going to be, so that I know what I'm committing to.

15:42That would be really helpful for me.

15:45Another point that would be helpful is a lot of times in my

15:50life, I'm sure others here can have felt the same way, I will

15:56look at something that people have labeled as accessible.

15:59So for example, there will be a sign somewhere saying this

16:02trail is accessible until this or this is an accessible

16:06trail, whatever.

16:07Rather than any signs deeming things accessible, specific

16:12language around this trail is made with this material, the

16:17slope is this slope.

16:19There is or is not lighting.

16:21The lighting is this type of light.

16:24Things like that are more helpful because accessible means

16:26such different things to different people.

16:28And a lot of times things get stamped as accessible just

16:31because like a wheelchair can get in, but then we're not

16:33thinking of like sensory disabilities and vision and hearing

16:38and myriad of other disabilities that also need

16:41accessibility.

16:42Or even sometimes something that is technically like if you're

16:46looking at the FADM or the AODA, it's technically deemed

16:49accessible, might still not work for me as a wheelchair user on

16:53a bad day.

16:54So just being very specific with rather than saying this is an

16:57accessible path, saying this is a path with a paved path or a

17:03gravel or whatever the accessibility features are that

17:06are making it accessible, just being very clear about what all

17:10those are.

17:11And then we can go through and kind of decide.

17:13And my third point was just when Mike was talking about QR

17:17codes and things, I love that idea as well, especially if it

17:21doesn't fully replace information on those signs because not

17:25everybody has access to devices that can scan those.

17:29That's not easy for everyone or accessible for everyone.

17:33So yeah, that's it for me.

17:36Wonderful.

17:39Thank you very much.

17:41Just looking back through those five topics that we've listed,

17:47perhaps I just perhaps do kind of a last call on, I didn't hear

17:51any particular comments on whether there's any particular

17:55sections of trails or routes in Guelph that you feel are like a

18:00priority for wayfinding that would really benefit from, you

18:04know, some wayfinding signage and more information to help

18:08people navigate through those areas.

18:11I hand up in the room.

18:12It's Mike and Chris.

18:14There's a trail by Riverside Glen.

18:18I take it going at the far end of Victoria and I loop down by

18:23the soccer field.

18:24Having some signs down there might be really nice, especially

18:28when you get closer to Riverside Glen, there's a lot of areas

18:32that are like hard packed dirt.

18:34Having some signage back there saying, hey, because I know when

18:37Laurel I brought up the manual chair issue, you can get stuck

18:42back there real easy.

18:44So having some signage back there.

18:46And I just had this idea.

18:47I don't even know if it's even remotely possible, but I know up

18:50at the University of Guelph, they have like college call boxes.

18:55Like if you run into trouble, you can call somebody.

18:58Is that an option that put like some kind of a communications

19:02device back there?

19:04Should something happen to someone?

19:06Is that something that's even doable?

19:11I don't know the answer to that immediately.

19:15It's definitely an important consideration.

19:17And obviously we will be talking to emergency services staff

19:21and police, you know, about those kind of community safety

19:24considerations as part of this project.

19:26So we'll definitely be looking into those kind of ideas and also,

19:30you know, ways that signs and wayfinding can just help emergency

19:35services with, you know, the geolocation of someone who's in

19:39need, who's needs help.

19:44Yeah, because like having that sort of notification on a sign

19:48saying, where are you?

19:50Should you run into trouble?

19:51I'm near Waymarker five and they know exactly where you are.

19:55That might be a good boostage.

19:57Yes, exactly that kind of idea of being able to locate trail

20:01users more easily.

20:03You also had Chris's hand up in there.

20:08Yeah, I was just going to say, Chris, go ahead.

20:11Thank you.

20:12So it's interesting to think about the diverse sort of nature

20:15of environment in Guelph because looking at Guelph Lake,

20:18for instance, you have sort of an entry point that is more of a

20:22road with peak route and that sort of deteriorates into single

20:26use paths or single paths of travel.

20:29So people line up to walk along them.

20:32So I'm not saying that that couldn't be something that you

20:35would look at, but it would be interesting to think about how

20:37you would implement something like this program around trails

20:40like that, like there's multi-use, there's accessible,

20:43there's mountain bike trails.

20:45There's all types of different usage in there.

20:47And I think that there would be really interesting to see how

20:50that would translate into signage and wayfinding.

20:55So.

20:56Thank you.

21:00I forgot to unmute.

21:07Go ahead, Deborah.

21:09Thanks.

21:11So I think there, for me, existing trails are a priority.

21:16And the ones, the three for me that are the existing priorities

21:20are the one through Riverside Park,

21:24like the one that goes from downtown all the way up through

21:28to Victoria.

21:30But there are some critical moments,

21:32as I think Mike was referring to,

21:34the transition between leaving Riverside Park,

21:38crossing Woodlawn and then finding the trail again.

21:41Like that's one of the least safe spaces.

21:44And it doesn't, I have people all the time say,

21:48where is the trail?

21:50It's like it's really not obvious, nor is it obvious that you go down

21:53this really steep hill once you cross over on Woodlawn.

21:56So that would be one of my priority areas.

21:58The other ones are the downtown trails,

22:00including the Royal City Trail.

22:04Again, not because they're not there and people don't know them,

22:10but it's, they don't know what's coming.

22:12And I think that's what we're trying to tell you.

22:14It's the ability to anticipate what's coming.

22:19You know, there are some low lying areas.

22:22There are some areas of flooding.

22:24There are some road crossings on like the Royal City Trail

22:28that are not well signed.

22:30And then there are the ups and downs, which,

22:33which cause lots of grief.

22:35So let me think, those are the three, I think.

22:38Wonderful. Thank you, Deborah.

22:42All right. I don't see any more hands.

22:50So I think that is pretty much all the questions that we want to,

22:56can we get this slide back up that had the recommended notions?

23:01Chair Rue, this is a, Garrett from the clerk's office here.

23:08We're going to do a little bit different, hopefully to help the committee

23:12with what we're intending to pass in terms of comments here.

23:16So we'll pull this slide down and we'll have two slides actually

23:20with comments that have been captured during this conversation

23:24that the committee can see and read.

23:26And if there are any comments before we finalize these,

23:30we can edit them and then we'll move and pass what is essentially

23:35the motion to receive the report as well as all the comments

23:39captured during this conversation.

23:41So we'll start with one slide here and you'll see it up in a second

23:48with a first bit of comments and there were just a lot.

23:51So we have two slides that we'll go through for you in a moment.

23:59So you'll see that the recommendation number one is just to receive the report

24:04that staff have presented and recommendation two is the following

24:10comments be captured.

24:13We'll give you a second to read through those as a committee and then we'll flip through to them.

24:18Someone's going to have to read these out.

24:20People in here are using screen readers and stuff.

24:24So yeah, if someone could read the whole motion out loud.

24:29I can do that Lorela.

24:31Sorry, just because I don't have this to, yeah.

24:35Yep, no problem.

24:37So like Garrett had mentioned, the first part is that the way sorry that the finding your way

24:44walking cycling and rolling after transportation way finding strategy report be received.

24:50And then the second part, which is going to be spread across two slides here is a summary of all the comments

24:58that were just given by various AC members.

25:02So it says two at the following comments be captured.

25:06So the third way finding is a good example way finding includes maps of where trails were strategically

25:12identified distances from one notable location to another, both directions and all group opportunities

25:19and seating opportunities throughout the trail.

25:23Gordon Street Hill two signs that tell a person they are on the Great Lakes Trail and on the Gwalt

25:30River Bridge Trail, neither tell the slope details.

25:34Wheel map app for iPhone slash QR codes and other technology having an app that shows areas that are fully accessible

25:43and how good the grading is to help understand if the hill can be used with a wheelchair could integrate existing

25:50data from Google Maps, for example, topographical maps.

25:57And just waiting for the next slide to be shared here.

26:01Perfect signage at the beginning of a trail that includes information of what is coming up in brackets.

26:08We have surface type obstacles, seasonal information or weather related so that people don't get stuck on a trail.

26:16Information of trails that intersect high traffic areas information on when the next accessible exit is how many meters,

26:24for example, at the entrance up to a trail and where the next curb cut or curb ramp is.

26:30Specific the language that details the accessible features of a trail, lighting slopes, rest areas, etc.

26:37Not just an umbrella label label that the trail is accessible.

26:42Trail by Riverside Glen far end of Victoria lots of areas that have difficult services.

26:49Call boxes slash safety communication devices like on the university campus.

26:55Well, Blake area, how to implement signage and way finding that depicts the various types of trails in the area.

27:02Riverside Park from downtown to Victoria transition between leaving Riverside Park crossing Woodlawn and downtown trails including Royal City trail.

27:13I don't know what is coming ability to anticipate what is coming slopes traffic crossing trail services.

27:26What we can do motion.

27:28So this is like a recommended motion that the city's recommended.

27:32Or what is this?

27:35Sure.

27:37Okay, sure. This is the motion that was recommended by staff, including the comments that were captured by the committee.

27:46That's looking for so it's an all of us motion.

27:50Everything that could be moved and passed today. The committee were just a fit, but it allows you to see what has been captured and to make adjustments edits.

28:01If something you said wasn't up there.

28:04Or if it wasn't.

28:06Transcribe in the way that you were anticipating, we can make those edits now so that staff have the appropriate information immediately following this meeting.

28:16Okay, thank you. I did hear there was a point about I don't know where it is. I'm sorry, I can't really follow along well without my screen reader.

28:23So I don't know what point it was, but there was a point about signage on the trails listing like surface type and stuff.

28:30And I think a couple other notes that I didn't make it into this that I didn't hear read out was about the grade and length of trails as well.

28:40So if we could also include grade and length on that part.

28:45I'll add that in here.

28:47Thanks, I think it was near the beginning of the last slide.

28:55I just added in there so.

28:57We've got slope screening length of trails chopping crossings trail surfaces.

29:12So chair from here on, if there are no other comments about the motion you could look for a mover and seconder if you wish.

29:19There are though. Sorry one second. Sorry just Sarah, sorry one story I didn't realize my mic was muted.

29:25Sarah, the I saw you typing at the end of the slide I want to make sure it was like in the comments about the signage on all the trails not on a specific trip I don't know.

29:34The comment that I was saying to edit was one near the beginning of that slide.

29:39And I saw typing happen at the very end of the slide so I just want to make sure it's not like a specific like Riverside Park needs this or whatever I see. Yeah, I'll add to there as well.

29:48Okay, cool. And then Deborah has a hand up and then in order you're up next. Sorry about that. Thanks.

29:55Okay, thanks. I'm happy to move this but with I'd like to make an addition to it, which we haven't talked about at all but would be really helpful to hear what is included in the overall like for the people to come back either as a consent agenda information piece with what they've actually done.

30:17And we're recommended to be able to implement these things.

30:23And other than that, as I say, I'm happy to move it.

30:28I think something into the motion that staff return.

30:36And doodle, did you have comments before we go to looking for a second there.

30:42Yeah, a lot of something to look into. Sorry, you didn't come out with this earlier.

30:49Okay, so in terms of presenting things on signs or I'd recommend looking into accessible fonts, something like open dyslexic which can be easily read by neurodivergence.

31:06And also like pay what you can or free to download and is completely open source.

31:25So with the addition of comments about neurodivergent neurodivergent friendly fonts, and moving back to to discuss with us again, and the slopes and grading and length of trails.

31:40Would you still like to move this motion Deborah.

31:44Yeah, and do we have a second. Yes, I'm happy to.

31:46Thanks. Awesome. Thank you.

31:49Chair root before you continue if you don't mind.

31:52I'd like to turn it over to staff to see if they can give a little bit more feedback on reporting back, if they have a possible timeline, or anything like that.

32:05Okay, yeah, keeping in mind that we're on a bit of a, we do have the timelines on the agenda so like a very brief.

32:13And then we've got to keep moving. Hi, it's emotion crafting.

32:19He's going to take this on. I'm sorry.

32:21I didn't know.

32:23Hi, it's Kate and staff would be happy to, you know, return to the committee at an appropriate time. So our aim at the moment is to have our final report complete early in 2025 but don't really have an exact date but I'd say, you know, maybe in the first quarter of 2025 would be our target for being able to come back and give you an update on and how everything's come together.

32:45Great. Thanks, Kate.

32:54So, would anyone like to second this motion.

33:02Chris has, oh Chris has the hand up.

33:05So I should be good.

33:09All right, thank you so much everyone.

33:11So, and then we have to vote on this. So sorry, is anyone opposed to this motion.

33:21My hand keeps going up and I try to take it down but I'm not opposed so I see the end here and so the motion passes thanks everyone so much.

33:32Thank you.

33:33And thank you Kate for coming.

33:35Thanks everyone. Have a good day.

33:38All right, the next item we have is an introduction on the Oran Reed Park Development Project. I think we have Jean here to discuss so we've got a 10 minute staff presentation and then we have 15 minutes to discuss.

34:00So go ahead, Jean.

34:01Hi Lorelai.

34:02Hi.

34:03It's Stefan I'm going to be speaking.

34:06Sorry, as well but I'll be I'll be doing most of the speaking on this one.

34:12All right, when we were doing the agenda staff, let me know it would be like one person speaking for five minutes and then another person for five minutes. Do you need a five minute reminder when you're getting close to the end of that time.

34:25No, I think we will only be speaking for about five minutes to be honest and then we'll turn it over to you and we can get into discussion questions and go through the motions.

34:34Awesome. Thanks. Go ahead.

34:36Okay, great. So thanks everyone for having me here today to introduce and discuss this project with you.

34:44For those of you that do not know me. My name is Stefan project manager with parks.

34:49I also have Jean Starchuck from facilities project manager there to discuss this project with you as well. We will be leading this project together.

35:02Managing co project managing it.

35:06And we also have listening in a few folks from our design consulting team as well.

35:13Teresa, Caitlin and Mark.

35:17They're just going to be taking notes for us as well.

35:20And get a sense of this process.

35:23So, or in reed park. We have been tasked with the design and implementation of the last remaining phase of development from the original master plan.

35:35We are currently just starting the design phase of the project, and we're introducing it to you now, just to get some early input that we can use to start to inform the design process.

35:51And get some of those outcomes going.

35:54We will return in the future, not 100% sure when but we will probably first second or second quarter.

36:02Next year with some design concepts that we can have more dialogue on.

36:10And in addition, this project will also go through the city site plan control process. So you'll have an opportunity to add comments through that process as well.

36:22And then we will keep you apprised with any community engagement that we do. So you'll have another avenue to provide comments and input through those channels as well.

36:37So very broadly really quick.

36:41The main scope of work for the project will include a new splash pad at the site.

36:48It will also include a new washroom building.

36:52We will also design a new shade pavilion.

36:57We will aim to have various shaded accessible seating at the site.

37:02Another piece of the scope of work is upgrades to the existing cricket pitch.

37:12And we will be doing upgrades to the existing parking lot mainly to introduce more accessible parking options.

37:21A big focus for the project will be wheelchair access to all of the new amenities implemented and full compliance with FADM and all aspects of the deliverables.

37:32Just noted above.

37:35And that is basically the introduction to the project and the scope of work.

37:42Like I said, we've just started the design process. So we're reaching out to you very early to just have some early discussions and get some feedback and some input from what you'd like to see with these amenities.

37:58So at this point, I would like to turn it over to the group for initial questions and discussions.

38:09Stephen, if this is the end of the staff presentation, we'll move into our discussion. But if there's any other staff presentation on this item, if we could go ahead with that first and then we'll move into the question portion.

38:21I don't think so unless Jean, you had something else you wanted to add.

38:26Okay.

38:27No, just that we're at the beginning of the design process.

38:31The washrooms facility, which is my part of the project we're looking at making it a four season heated washroom facility and providing gender neutral washrooms. There'll be a universal washroom.

38:44At least one and just complying with FADM throughout the whole design of the washroom facility.

38:49Awesome. Thank you so much. I just wanted to make sure I knew if we were moving fully into discussion or not.

38:59Thank you very much for that. Does anyone have any feedback or thoughts for there was an attachment to the agenda that had some things that the staff were specifically looking for feedback on if anybody wants to refresh their memory.

39:14But go ahead, Deborah.

39:17Thanks. I'm sorry, always to be the first one. I just have to do it while my brain is still remembering.

39:24It just seems to me, I wondered, parks often come up for discussion at our meetings. And it seems to me like we often give similar feedback. And I wondered if there was a way of ensuring that we don't have to keep remembering all the feedback we've given to other people for other parks.

39:47So let me give you a for instance. I love that there's a four season heated accessible washroom building with gender neutral, including a universal unit.

39:59An obvious question from our perspective, will there be an adult change table? That's something we've raised with other park structures. And it seems to me, you know, we might remember it.

40:10And I did in this instance, but there are a whole bunch of these sorts of things. You've just, I hope, heard part of our discussion about trails, right? And what are some of the pieces related to that?

40:23So I'm not sure what other... We give lots of feedback on splash pads. So I'm hoping that in your preliminary thinking, you also get access to some of our comments on other parks and splash pads and things like that.

40:39Thanks. We have a hand up in the room, Mike.

40:47Just had two thoughts. Whenever this comes up, whenever you're doing like a new park sort of thing, I just want to make sure you guys are thinking about wheelchair accessible picnic tables, like the one down in Riverside Park where you can fold up the bench and you can pull right up.

41:03And when it comes to the shaded seating area, just making sure that there's multiple surfaces that are easy to transfer to for a wheelchair user, because not all surfaces are created equal due to height differences, or if there's like an armrest in the way or something, just making sure it's easy to slide on doing it, save the transfer wrong too.

41:24So there's like a backing or something. And then I don't know whether this would fall under the accessible parking thing, just making sure that there's proper clearances for like a wheelchair van.

41:36Like I know the ones that like red top taxis, whether it's a rear entrance or side entrance. And then I just had this thought as I saw this just happen at Riverside Park the other day.

41:46And I was like, would electric vehicle charging fall under us? Just because I noticed having power up there might be really, really useful. Again, just a thought. I feel like I'm really staring at it.

42:06Was that a question for staff? Like for a second? Yeah, do you mean accessible? Yeah, like, is that like an option or something like that? Yeah.

42:17If it is, it's it's certainly something that isn't originally in our scope of work, but it's not something that we can't take a look at.

42:27It's something we can explore. Yeah, just because I know with like certain vehicles that are accessible, I know certain cab companies are starting to transition some of their vehicles to hybrid.

42:40So having an option to charge an electric vehicle at the parks might be kind of nice. So just something to think about anyone forward thinking.

42:50I don't see any other hands at the moment. I was going to say what Deborah said about adult change tables in the washrooms. Those are really helpful.

43:08So we'd love to see those. I also agree that it would be great to compile some sort of document at the city of like our repeated feedback for parks because then we can always refer parks back to that.

43:20It's a little more than the FADM. The FADM is kind of like the officially recommended like you must do these things. Whereas we're kind of putting forward our like this would make our lives easier.

43:30These are the things that would make this truly accessible. So that would be helpful.

43:35I had some feedback about specifically the splash pad that you were talking about. One thing that I've noticed with some splash pads is that when you enter the splash pad, you're basically committing to just completely getting wet at based on other people's actions.

43:52So for example, you'll go onto a splash pad and someone else can run up and hit a button and then all of a sudden your whole body is getting sprayed with water.

43:59So it's important to me for accessibility to make sure that there are areas of the splash pad where you can enter and like choose how wet you get.

44:07So like if you don't want your whole wheelchair to get wet, but you can wheel it and just dip your feet in the water or things like that, that there are areas where like other people's actions aren't going to automatically get you wet with like a big downpour of water.

44:22I don't know if that makes sense. I don't know how to word that any better.

44:28But that's my main feedback for this.

44:33Thank you.

44:36Just real quick, we have taken note of some previous AC discussion on two splash pads that were done recently, or sorry, three.

44:46So we have a little bit of a list of things that this group has requested in the past based on similar scoped projects.

44:59Okay.

45:02Thank you so much.

45:03If I might add as well, Chair Roof, that especially, you know, as we've been moving into this year and the end of last year with the motions and getting really good at including detail and having a motion for various, various items on the agenda.

45:18It's also a really good way to make sure that there's kind of that legacy that the AC comments and recommendations are all in the meeting minutes as well.

45:27Definitely.

45:29It's great. Thank you.

45:30Deborah, go ahead.

45:32So this is a question for you, not an answer or not even a comment.

45:38So have you looked at what accessible cricket pitches might look like?

45:43I don't know of any, but I would be so curious to know if we have any good examples anywhere around the world of accessible cricket cricket pitches.

45:57That is a great question. We are currently looking at what those might look like now.

46:03I don't think anyone on the design team has really any experience on what those are.

46:09But we know that they would require some type of artificial turf and accessible route with accessible seating leading up to the facility.

46:19But beyond that, I'm not really sure at this point, but we will explore it and figure that out when we go through the design process.

46:27I don't see any other hands up. So maybe we could go into the crafting the motion.

46:45I'm not sure if staff have a list again of our comments or if we should just craft one.

46:52We do Laura. We've got that list again. Again, very similar to the previous one.

46:59I'm happy to read it out if you'd like.

47:02Yeah, that'd be good. Thank you.

47:04So there's three parts to it and then the list.

47:08So the first is number one that the AC received the staff report titled introduction or in read park development project.

47:16That the AC support the proposed design goals and objectives to inform the or in read park development project.

47:24And number three that the following comments be captured for consideration.

47:29Recommend an adult change table be included that existing AC comments regarding other parks and slash by be considered wheelchair accessible bench slash picnic table like the one in Riverside Park that can be folded and seating that can be transferred on to multiple service types accessible e.

47:49Parking options. Some taxi companies are transitioning their vehicles to hybrid and important to have an area slash hybrid and enter and choose how what you get areas where people's other people's actions will affect how what a person may get your on mute there.

48:13Yeah, no, that's great. Thanks. Sorry, it takes my brain a second.

48:18Would anyone like to add anything to this before we go into some of the news. Go ahead.

48:25I just want to note that I did ask about them exploring accessible cricket pitches. I may have said it more as humor, but I really did mean it as a serious comment.

48:37I'm not in here.

48:40Thank you.

48:43You just did a quick 30 second look on it on accessible kind of cricket pitch. Yeah, there's a few people doing a little bit of research into it.

48:51It's a competitive group. Yeah, that's cool.

48:55That's cool.

48:57We're starting to team next year.

49:00I have one other thought as well, but I don't want to talk while you're typing Sarah if you need a minute.

49:06You could.

49:07Okay, cool.

49:09I forgot to mention this but for seating in parks. I know sometimes there are seating that has like the bars on both sides but also making sure that there's some seating where people can fully extend if they need to lift their legs up and fully extend out on a or some

49:26other side of the board.

49:28So, I think that the people with pots needs to lay down for a moment on a bench.

49:34Benches that don't have those like cuts and gaps in the middle to make it impossible to lay down on.

49:39I think that sometimes those happen in like an effort to make sure that I'm housed people aren't sleeping on benches so that benches are available for people but like for accessibility we also need to be able to lay down on benches sometimes.

49:52Myself included have a hard time sometimes with the ones that have the handles on both sides because they're not for everyone's size.

50:01So, like the armrests armrests is the word I'm looking for not handles.

50:07Yeah, so the ones that have the armrests throughout the bench breaking it up can be difficult if they're not like, if they're the only seating option.

50:16That was my other thought. I know I brought that up before them.

50:33I brought it in there so it says consider seating options that people can lay down on or stretch out on and with various armrest placements.

50:42Thanks. And not to take away from I know some people do need armrests too so it's kind of us. It's great to have both. Yeah.

50:50Would anyone like to move this motion that staff have helped us craft.

50:57We need a mover and a seconder.

50:59And Mike has his hand up in the room.

51:01Yep, I'll move it.

51:02Oh, perfect. And in order are you seconding.

51:05Yes.

51:08Awesome. Is anyone opposed.

51:15All right, the motion passes. Thank you so much, Jean and Stefan really appreciate you coming today.

51:20I'm here.

51:31All right.

51:35The next item easy on the agenda.

51:38I'm sorry. Next item on the agenda is residential dwelling dwelling unit incentive program talking about the units that people are able to add additional units in their backyards sort of thing.

51:49We have a five minute staff presentation and then 15 minutes for the AC to discuss and craft emotion.

51:55So we have Lucas here, I believe.

51:58And you can go ahead whenever you're ready.

52:03Thank you. So good afternoon, AC members and thanks for giving me the opportunity to get your expertise on some design considerations for this particular program.

52:14So some of you may have heard that in January of this year, the city received funding from the federal housing accelerator fund or commonly called half.

52:25So as part of our receivable of this funding, we've committed to several initiatives as part of our action plan with the overall goal of looking to incentivize the creation of 739 more housing units than what the city's current averages by the end of the year 2026.

52:44So one of these particular initiatives is to implement an incentive program for additional residential dwelling units or ARD use.

52:53So ARD use our dwelling units that are self contained, but are subordinate to and can be found within either the same building or on the same lot as the primary dwelling unit.

53:05From the affordability perspective, data has shown that ARD use actually do a great job of being typically rented at less than the market rate, which can make them a more affordable option for folks, including folks who may be looking for an accessible unit.

53:19So at this time, you want to put the caveat up there that staff are still exploring the amount of the incentive, the best method to provide that incentive through and other program criteria and no real decisions have been made on this.

53:33So we're very much still working through that feasibility phase to the next slide please.

53:39So while we're still working through that feasibility, there is interest from C staff in maybe offering additional incentives or a top up of some kind if certain accessible design features are included in the building permit application for the ARD to you.

53:57So since ARD use can come a variety of different forms, they can also fit a variety of different users, including potentially addressing some accessibility needs.

54:06So important to remember that this program, including the accessible design component would be completely voluntary.

54:14So building services staff cannot enforce some specific requirements for an ARD to you if that ARD already needs the minimum requirements in Ontario Building Code.

54:25So building services can, however, inspect for these accessible design features during the inspection process, but if for whatever reason some of these features are not completed, building services would not be able to fail the inspection or deny occupancy for items that are again above and beyond that OVC requirement.

54:44However, we could set up the program in a way such that the funding agreements may include provisions that these additional incentives may be at risk if they're not included prior to occupancy.

54:56So we do have some enforcing mechanisms there.

55:01Next slide please.

55:03So to help inform the design of our incentive program for wealth and to help us kind of craft that list of accessible design features, we've been reviewing programs offered by other municipalities as well as some accessible design guidelines created by nonprofits and other levels of government.

55:19So this includes the City of Calgary's secondary suite incentive program, the accessible by design catalog from CMHC, the elements for accessible housing from CSA group, and the flex housing checklist from CMHC.

55:32So that list that's included as attachment one was built from these various resources in conjunction with some recommendations from building services staff.

55:42So we're now looking for the AAC to provide comments and feedback on this list for consideration.

55:47But just those folks are aware in terms of next steps, we're going to work with building services staff to determine which of these features can be reviewed as part of our building permit application process.

55:58And if any further modifications to the list needs to be made, we are planning to present final recommendations to the AAC on the October 15th meeting of this year.

56:09That's it for me.

56:12Thank you so much. Donna, go ahead.

56:16Are we just talking new construction?

56:20It would, we've gone back and forth on this in terms of whether we're looking just at new construction or legalizing like an existing space.

56:30I think from an air to you perspective, if somebody for example, has a basement space that they're looking to turn into their own unit, we would be interested in providing funding in those specific circumstances.

56:43Or if they're looking to put an addition on their house, maybe turn a little bit of space on their existing unit as well as that addition into a secondary unit, we would look to support fund.

56:53We would look to provide funding that would support that. Yes. So it'd be a little bit of a mixture of both, both new construction as well as opportunities for looking at existing space.

57:03Would there be incentives other than the financial package?

57:09It would be.

57:11So through this program, we're primarily just looking at financial incentives. We are through through our half action plan also looking at things like building a awareness campaign, sharing with folks about what, you know, any in ARGU is what some of the opportunities are out there for folks.

57:30That awareness campaign can come in a variety of different forms. We've heard some exciting things from different builders and developers who may be interested in doing something like a design symposium or a building fair where they have an opportunity to share some of their specific units that they may have created in the past to help build again, build that interest.

57:49So in terms of what that ultimately looks like, we are looking primarily at financial incentives, but we do want to help folks throughout the process. So it's not just financially, but making sure that folks understand how they can apply for a permit and what the steps are to get them from, you know, initial conception all the way to a final unit.

58:08Yeah, Daniel, you answered my second question about how people will find out about it and going forward. Great idea.

58:26I don't see any other hands up right now. I had some thought before the meeting I went over the draft list that you attached of accessible design features. And I had a few notes for that. Is that something you'd like to hear now?

58:39Yes.

58:40I have a few points. One, two, three, four, five, six. I have six points for that. The first one is there was a mention of that if there, the entrance to the unit being accessible, and that if there is a ramp it should meet this grade and the slope.

59:01One thing that's important is to make sure that people are putting in permanent ramps and not renting one of those metal two track wheelchair ramps. You can rent wheelchair ramps that are not at all sturdy and you can get them at the right height and slope, but then they're just these two metal tracks that you have to balance on.

59:19So I've had trouble renting before where they've said that it has an accessible entrance, but they've just put down a like metal one of those. So some language about permanent ramp would be helpful.

59:32Another point was there was a point about door handles and things having levers rather than knobs. That's also really helpful on any faucets rather than having knob faucets having the winged like the wing faucets that you can with a closed fist or an accessibility device you can kind of move them more easily.

1:00:00The next point, let me know if I'm going too fast I can go down. The next point was I didn't notice anything about mirror height or hinged mirrors, but there are mirrors that have hinges like the accessible mirrors and bathrooms where you can like pull on it so it changes angle for people who are a lot shorter or people who are sitting in chairs can still use a mirror.

1:00:21Mirror height is a thing.

1:00:25Another point that I didn't see mentioned but I might have missed it was about there was a lot of information about bathrooms with clearance and like the space of the interior of a bathroom.

1:00:38But one thing that I found a lot is you get into a bathroom and you have enough room to get in and move around but then can't close the door if the doors open inward.

1:00:48There needs to be enough clearance space for a wheelchair user to be able to close the door behind them without their wheelchair having to be taken back out of the bathroom before they can do it.

1:00:56So I don't know whether the bathroom size that's listed is like would allow for that but that's also a couple.

1:01:10Elizabeth had her hand up and Chris has his hand up in the room as well.

1:01:15Elizabeth has his hand up no longer up though.

1:01:17Okay.

1:01:18I've got a couple more points and then I will of these things just a list and then we'll move on.

1:01:24Sorry I didn't see any hands up before I started.

1:01:27The other ones just quickly were that there be an accessible entrance or pathway directly from the street that it not be like in someone's backyard and the door is technically accessible to the unit but you can't get to the door because there's no pathway.

1:01:43I didn't see that listed.

1:01:45And sorry I'm looking for my last.

1:01:56Oh my gosh where did it go.

1:02:01I just lost my thing.

1:02:04One.

1:02:05Oh curveless or transition showers were mentioned but those don't work for everyone.

1:02:12Some people do need.

1:02:17Sometimes I have difficulty that I can't rent any units from with my disability I can't rent units that only have the curveless or transition free showers.

1:02:26I need the lip of a tub and a lot of places kind of think like oh in order to be accessible you have to have a wheel in shower but a lot of us can't use those.

1:02:36So having that as like a this is the gold standard you should have a wheel in shower.

1:02:40It's it seems like a about 50 50 some wheelchair users can use them and some wheelchair users prefer like to use a transfer bench and have one with a tub.

1:02:50So I always try to shy away from places feeling like they need to have a wheel in a roll in shower in order to be accessible because so I don't know if that needs to be on that list or if you know if that could be removed from the list as like a thing to aim for.

1:03:07Yeah that was all and then just my final note was that I I've been in a lot of buildings that are owned by the county which I know that's not the city but I know the city works with the county of Wellington and and their housing.

1:03:21People I don't know if there's someone you can contact but a few of the wealth on profit housing buildings have accessible units that have really gone above and beyond in terms of accessibility of just thinking of kind of everything.

1:03:34And I found that the most accessible homes I've been in in wealth have been run by both nonprofit housing so that it might be good to talk to them because they have just all these extra bells and whistles in their accessible units that seem pretty budget friendly and are really helpful.

1:03:54That was it for me sorry for the big long thing and then you've got Chris and then Elizabeth.

1:03:59Elizabeth first and then Chris.

1:04:02Oh sorry I thought you said Elizabeth took her hand down. Okay Elizabeth go ahead.

1:04:06Yeah I did because I wasn't sure if if there was still time for more questions so I figured I'd wait and see sorry about that.

1:04:13So I'm sorry if I missed it but I was wondering if as part of the incentive program there's the opportunity to offer free assessments of like buildings that already exist to you know visit the facility the site and let homeowners know what was needed in their case to make the facility like their basement apartment more accessible.

1:04:37Were we going to do that as part of the incentive program?

1:04:44That's something that we were not considering just because it is a financial based incentive program.

1:04:52Again that it might come up as part of our awareness and education bits in terms of and that may be something where the AAC also can play a role there as well but in terms of letting folks know what's needed to make the unit accessible and kind of sharing that information with a broader audience of folks is definitely something that we can help support to do but through this particular program it would be mostly focused on providing folks the financing.

1:05:22So I think that the financial tools and then through the awareness and education pieces that that's where more so more so some of those pieces of information can come in as well.

1:05:35I think that some of the problem would be that people who own homes may not be aware of what they need to do.

1:05:42So I think that's something that we can do without the you know I mean you can give them a list of things that they might do but you know it might be more effective to get in there at the beginning and say okay if you want to do this these are the things that are priority for you to do.

1:05:59I'm not sure if we could potentially get volunteers to inspectors to do that for us but I mean I think that would be a great incentive for someone to at least have someone come and you know go through it with them and show them things that they could do to make their accessibility a lot better.

1:06:22Sure that's something we can definitely take away and think about if there's an opportunity to integrate that as part of the program.

1:06:30Awesome, thank you so much. Chris go ahead and then we'll move into getting a motion out.

1:06:37Thank you very much this is just a generalized question so I'm just going to face the screen here.

1:06:42I was wondering if there's any sort of like framework around with your selection process for reasonable units to be augmented to become accessible as framed around just because I'm thinking like you know installing certain equipment,

1:06:54equipment that people need to get into a basin apartment versus level flooring is a lot different a lot more price intensive so.

1:07:02Yeah and a big goal of this accessibility component is trying to balance the costs that are out there for folks to make these renovations or modifications as well as making sure that we can ultimately deliver accessible units.

1:07:20So.

1:07:21What we're thinking right now is it would basically be a kind of first come first serve basis so that you know if folks are ready and willing and able.

1:07:31That they're the ones that we'd like to see the money it get put towards and ultimately if our goal is to provide units that that's really what we want to focus on doing.

1:07:43We have talked about maybe there's a difference between folks who are doing a backyard unit which are typically more expensive to construct versus folks who are doing a basement unit which are typically less expensive to construct and maybe maybe there's a difference in the incentive offered there between between those types of units.

1:08:00But we also know too that there are there are certain realities of you know if you're putting a unit in into your basement.

1:08:06Is that me you know you need an accessible lift for example to get to get folks down there or you know some some folks may have like a walk out basement for example or maybe it's a little bit easier to do something like that so we we we ultimately want the individual applicant to determine what works best for their particular situation and their particular home and you know if they're if they're trying to make a selection well.

1:08:29I can do maybe a backyard unit or I could do a basement unit but I know for myself to be a little bit easier to get these accessible mods and if I do a backyard unit we want them to make that determination and and so that they can weigh those choices when they come to apply.

1:08:44Okay, great. Thank you very much.

1:08:46Thank you.

1:08:49So we're about 10 minutes behind but we've got some wiggle room in this agenda later on.

1:08:55But we should probably move into a motion now if anybody would like to put forward a motion.

1:09:03Did we do the thing again where we're kind of capturing.

1:09:07Okay, perfect. Thank you. We get that on the screen and someone read it.

1:09:16Alright, so it says number one that the additional residential dwelling unit incentive program accessible design component report be received.

1:09:25Number two that the AC received the job list of accessible design features included in this report as part of the additional residential dwelling unit incentive program.

1:09:36And number three that the following comments be captured for consideration include some language about permanent ramps instead of rented or temporary to trap ramps is represented.

1:09:48But faucets that have winged taps rather than knobs mirror heights or mirrors with hinges to pull down ensure there is enough room and bathrooms to get in and move around and also close the door accessible entrance or pathway directly from the street

1:10:07to the sidewalk. Not exclusively listing a wheel in or roll in shower to talk to wealth nonprofit housing and consider including the opportunity to offer free assessments as part of the program for home owners so that they know what is needed to make their ARV use accessible.

1:10:30Thank you. Would anyone like to put this notion forward.

1:10:35I will Chris here.

1:10:37Awesome. And I saw Elizabeth's hand go up to Elizabeth would you like to second.

1:10:41Yes, please.

1:10:44Awesome.

1:10:45Is anyone opposed to this motion.

1:10:51I don't see any so that motion passes. And thank you so much for coming today. We really appreciate your engagement with us.

1:11:06All right, the next item on the agenda is the both museum renovation feedback five minute staff presentation by Tammy and Jean looks like and 15 minutes for us to discussion discussing craft emotion.

1:11:20So, Tammy and Jean, you can go ahead.

1:11:30Thanks. Good afternoon everyone. Thanks for having us today.

1:11:33We're really excited to be speaking with you today about some renovations upcoming at the Civic Museum and really would like to use this time today to hear your feedback.

1:11:47So, Jean, I see Jean has joined me on the screen. Jean is the co project manager on on this project. And we also have on the call today, our consultants from JL Richards, as well as Lupin met.

1:12:03The consultants who will be assisting with the exhibition design. So, to give you an overview of the renovations that will be happening at the Civic Museum.

1:12:13These are the first renovations to happen since the museum relocated to the former Loretto convent, which was 12 years ago.

1:12:21And so the the facility has stood the test of time somewhat, but we're really looking forward to this opportunity to upgrade the experience as well as the content we provide.

1:12:33So, the museum is renovating three existing areas. The family's gallery, which is the children and family space in this on the second floor of the Civic Museum.

1:12:43It's a hands on learning environment. It has a second floor space as well within that gallery. And it's really intended to be a space for children up to 10 years old and their grown ups to have hands on learning experiences.

1:13:03It's a very well loved space in our museum. The other space that's being renovated is the city gallery on the third floor of the museum, which is the space that tells the story of the history of Guelph.

1:13:16And then the other space being renovated is the reception lobby right at the front entrance of the museum. And we are looking to create a welcoming and ticing accessible reception area.

1:13:32And in addition to all of that work that is happening, the we are intending to upgrade the HVAC system, particularly to deal with a humidity, humidity issues that we've been experiencing almost from the very beginning.

1:13:47And these are issues that need to be addressed in order for us to provide comfortable visitor experiences, but also to protect the artifacts in our care.

1:13:57So today we're really interested in hearing from you. You've had the opportunity to review the report and the details on what we're hoping to achieve with the renovations.

1:14:09But this project gives us an opportunity to address both the physical attributes of the building and how we can ensure we're providing a barrier free welcoming space.

1:14:23It also provides us an opportunity to address content within our exhibition spaces and we're committed to ensuring that the stories we tell at the museum are representative of the lived experiences of all Guelphites.

1:14:38And so we're really interested in hearing from you today. Your advice on both of those opportunities, both physical changes to the space as well as the enhancements to the content.

1:14:52Jean, have I left anything out?

1:14:58No, not really. I think just we're hoping to improve some lighting in the spaces and just overall temperature control as well and all that fun stuff behind the scenes.

1:15:08No, that's great. So I will yield back the extra time that I had for my presentation because really today we wanted to hear from committee members about your advice.

1:15:19If you've had a chance to visit the Civic Museum and are familiar with the spaces, we'd love to hear your feedback on improvements that can be made.

1:15:29And if you haven't visited the Civic Museum, we'd love to hear about what would draw you to a museum experience at the Civic Museum, or we'd love to hear about your experiences in other museums and what you enjoyed and would hope that we would apply when doing this project.

1:15:49So I'll turn it over to you.

1:15:51Thank you so much. Does anyone have any thoughts or feedback along those lines?

1:15:57This is a stand up in the room.

1:16:03Just a general comment. I am there often with my children and one of whom has is on the spectrum. I myself have mental health issues and physical disability.

1:16:15At this point in time, they keep going back there because not only is it accessible, but also it faces the right direction. So you get a continuous sunlight into that area where family and children gather.

1:16:26Historically, for us at least it's been a fantastic spot. So I'm just going to put that out there as being a good way to start the conversation because it is a very family friendly and appropriate spot for each other.

1:16:40I also think that it's beach handy of Guelph because of that outer area where you have the brown lanes with the poppies on them and the significance of planners fields and so on.

1:16:53So anyway, that's just a comment. No question. I just wanted to say I really enjoyed that space.

1:16:58That's so nice to hear. Thank you. And I should say that the families gallery will remain in the space that it's currently in.

1:17:06So we won't be changing the direction of that space and glad to hear that it's a positive experience with the sunlight coming through those historic windows.

1:17:16I don't know. Go ahead.

1:17:23Thoughts for some potential disabled individuals within Guelph to look for stories could look into Robert Munch, who has openly struggled with the number of mental health disorders.

1:17:42Another one to look into would be Jean Little, who was legally blind and a significant figure within the society.

1:17:58I think my mom still has contact information. I didn't know her super super well, but I was homeschooled with her great nephew.

1:18:11So but there might be ways to reach out there. Another thought I had.

1:18:19You could ask applied biomechanics. They do a lot of splinting locally and I know that there's some athletes who have come through there.

1:18:29So I don't know if they'd be able or willing to share any stories, but they might lose nothing by asking.

1:18:36Those are great suggestions. Thank you for those.

1:18:43I don't see any other hands up. So I'll put my two cents in.

1:18:52One thing that I brought this up during our executive planning meeting and I think is a good resource.

1:18:57I'd love to see this added to the motion is to connect with Leanne and Sarah and the accessibility services people like Leanne has been working in the disabled community in Guelph for so many years.

1:19:09I'm sure they have some thoughts of in terms of stories to be considered and included.

1:19:15I think that Leanne and Sarah especially would be good people and other people working in accessibility services as well probably have some very Guelph specific thoughts.

1:19:24So moving back to them would be good for that one.

1:19:27In terms of things that I love the museum to consider for design.

1:19:32I was at the Georgia Aquarium. I go to the Georgia Aquarium every time I'm in Georgia because it's one of the most accessible big public loud public spaces for me with my autism that I can go to.

1:19:44Because all over the place they've peppered it with these little pods. They call them sensory pods.

1:19:50They look very similar to and actually in some consulting I've done with other places looking to be more accessible.

1:19:58I found that you can purchase lactation pods are often soundproof but they're basically these little soundproof pods and they put some lights in them that you can like change the brightness of the light.

1:20:08And you can go in and it's soundproof and you lock the door and it says you know this is in use or vacant.

1:20:14And you can just go there if you need a minute away from the crowds and you just need a moment if you're having sensory overload it's like a place where you can go for a little bit of sensory deprivation almost and from consulting work I've done they're not too expensive you can get.

1:20:29There are like office pods isolation pods that you can get for office spaces where people need a little modular pod to work in or yeah wheelchair accessible lactation pods are often soundproofed as well.

1:20:42So there's a bunch of different you don't have to go with like specifically designed for autism pods but having sensory pods is really really really helpful for me.

1:20:53Amazing thank you for that.

1:20:55Anyone else have any thoughts on this before we go into correcting emotion.

1:21:06I don't see any so if we could get the motion draft up on the board of the recommended motion.

1:21:13I've done similar thing we've done the past few motions here.

1:21:27So number one is number one is that the World Museum renovation feedback report be received.

1:21:34Number two that the comments regarding the following elements when designing an accessible memorable and inspiring experience be captured.

1:21:42And under this one we've included Chris's comment there that the family area is positioned well as well as as it is a bright space and the exterior design is enjoyable.

1:21:55Number three that the AC recommend the following stories be considered for inclusion at the museum to best reflect the life in well past present and future and the lived experience experiences of people with disabilities to look into Robert Munch and Jean little applied biomechanics.

1:22:14There's lots of athletes who have come through there recommend engaging with accessibility services for both specific stories and histories and then looking looking to sensory pods like Georgia aquarium and include soundproof and lighting options.

1:22:32That last one should be in the in the second for design elements it's not stories so much, but other than that.

1:22:41And also I mentioned doors being able to lock on the sensory pods.

1:22:47Other than that.

1:22:50I will move it up.

1:22:54Using the laptop.

1:23:02There with me.

1:23:04Elizabeth, go ahead. Well, while Sarah.

1:23:17Yeah, I just.

1:23:19Can I just quickly ask a chair route.

1:23:23Where's the pods that you saw wheelchair accessible like you might have mentioned it but I missed it I think some of them are the ones at Georgia aquarium aren't actually so I wouldn't actually list them as a specific example but that's.

1:23:36But there are ones that are wheelchair accessible.

1:23:39Okay.

1:23:47Just have an idea you were talking about stories of people with disabilities hearing well I know I work with the Gulf storm trackers.

1:23:56And they're the fan club for the Gulf storm and I know there's a group called McFad's movement.

1:24:02And they focus a lot on mental health there might be some stories there and I know that they have a lot of people.

1:24:08Like a lot of big athletes that do a lot of big stuff there so there might be all all opportunities there and they might be a really good person to kind of partner with as well.

1:24:19Chris's hands up. Thank you. I just had thought and this might be another avenue which you might want to follow but I would think that maybe talking to some.

1:24:29Veterans in the city who live in Guelph and gone over and served and then came back with service later injuries might be of value as well.

1:24:37And this could be a focal point making the city of war.

1:24:43That's your friend. Exactly. Thank you, Mike.

1:24:46Awesome.

1:24:58Would anyone like to move this.

1:25:01But actually the only thing I would say is maybe we should take out the like Georgia aquarium because Elizabeth makes a good point that Georgia aquarium ones aren't actually wheelchair accessible and there are wheelchair accessible ones out there for purchase so.

1:25:13So just the Georgia aquarium take that part out. Yeah, maybe take out that specific example because there's aren't actually that great they're great in every other way but the they yeah they aren't wheelchair accessible.

1:25:28I have to get out of my chair and go in.

1:25:30Oh, I've added that for you there. Thank you. So what she added is look into sensory pods that are also wheelchair accessible and took a Georgia example.

1:25:47Anyone like to put this motion forward.

1:25:50I guess this hand up.

1:25:53Thanks Mike. Could we get a seconder.

1:25:55The Nordle. Thank you.

1:25:57Is anyone opposed to this motion.

1:25:59All right, I see in here none so that motion passes. And thank you so much Tammy and Jean for going over this with us. It's really helpful.

1:26:13Thanks everyone and we'll look forward to coming back when we have a draft conceptual design to to get your feedback on that but appreciate your input today.

1:26:23Thank you so much.

1:26:29The next item on the agenda 3.5 is the AC member handbook for doing a review of a pandemic a and it's Sarah who's going to discuss this with us today so go ahead Sarah.

1:26:41Thanks.

1:26:43Okay, so we are simply looking at the AC member handbook appendix a this time around. I've provided some attachments with the reports that include two staff recommended edits.

1:27:00This is not necessarily the be all end all you're certainly more than welcome to review.

1:27:07And let us know if there are any sections that you would like to revise add to or change and additionally if there's anyone.

1:27:19And then there are most people that want to review the same section for example will make sure to link up members so that you can sort of work together to make those edits and then we'll look at the edits that come from AC members or any changes that come from AC members about the appendix.

1:27:36So we're going to start at the October 15 AC meeting and develop a recommendation moving forward at that point but moving into the the two staff recommended edits.

1:27:49The first one here is on the screen and was attached to the report as well.

1:27:56So I will give you a clear definition of intersectionality into the appendix in some location and that's for determination by the committee as to where it will live within the appendix.

1:28:09But I have dropped it here so I will read it out for you.

1:28:14What is intersectionality intersectionality is a way of understanding how a person's different identities such as race gender class sexual sexuality disability etc.

1:28:26Can affect the way they experience life. It's like looking at life through many different lenses at the same time and helps us understand that people's experiences can can't just be split into separate categories.

1:28:39We now include disability when we talk about intersectionality because people with disabilities face unique challenges when you mix disability with other parts of a person's identity and can change the way they experience discrimination and privilege or privilege.

1:28:54This helps us understand that everyone's experience is different and more complex than just one part of their identity.

1:29:01Today intersectionality is used to study how different social categories including disability combined to shape people's lives and opportunities.

1:29:10This broader view helps us analyze social justice issues more thoroughly and inclusively.

1:29:16And so this was drafted using plain language as well with hope that it gives some idea of what intersectionality is and again can sort of live somewhere in the appendix A.

1:29:30And then now I think just look to the next slide there Joey.

1:29:33The second staff recommended edit is very small but nonetheless it can be found in the last sentence of the second paragraph of the introduction.

1:29:46So I'm just going to read that last sentence there.

1:29:50It is important not to predict someone's needs based on previous interactions with them but rather to check in and adjust as appropriate is what's recommended instead of it is important to predict someone's sorry not to predict someone's needs based on previous interactions with them

1:30:08but rather to check in and adjust to people's ever changing needs whenever necessary was what was previously written as so it's been started through there and then the changes highlighted.

1:30:20There's a last slide there Joey.

1:30:25So we're just looking to the AC there's some recommended motions that the AC consider and provide feedback on the two staff recommended edits to appendix A captured an attachment one of the report that the AC review appendix A of the member handbook and connect with staff by September 6th if interested in making changes to a section of the appendix.

1:30:47And that the AC provides staff with their feedback and recommendations for discussion at the October 15 AC meeting.

1:30:54Is that is that everything Sarah should we move into that.

1:31:05Thank you so much.

1:31:07All right, Elizabeth go ahead your first.

1:31:10Thank you.

1:31:12So, I just wanted to ask in your definition of inter sectionality.

1:31:20I know that you haven't put everything that could potentially be part of identity, but I'm wondering why you left out religion.

1:31:29Just because from a personal perspective I find that I am.

1:31:34I have more difficulties around my religious identity here in Guelph than they have about disability sometime.

1:31:42So I'm wondering why that's not there.

1:31:45I'm happy to add it in the comments here to add it into the definition.

1:31:53Great.

1:31:59Awesome.

1:32:01Thanks.

1:32:02Sarah, thank you so much for making these amendments and for giving us a plan or language version of what intersectionality is also described as unfortunately I think it misses out a really important piece of what intersectionality is about which is about power relationships and how they get stuck in political systems,

1:32:24educational systems, schools, culture.

1:32:29So it puts it all on people's identities and their individual experiences, but part of the the unequal power relationships that end up happening get happened because these different understandings or lack of understandings happen.

1:32:46Get embedded in places like Guelph City Hall or schools or things like that.

1:32:55So I was pulling up a version of intersectionality that's not plain language, but is that the Canadian Research Institute for the Advancement of Women's website.

1:33:10There's been a lot of work around identifying intersectionality in ways that are accessible to people and you might want to look at they don't they include that notion of unequal power relationships and how they get stuck in it as a way of making the definition that you provide more complete.

1:33:32No problem I added that comment here Deborah and also again this is just a draft kind of definition so this is also up for opportunity for the AC to edit yourself being a member as well to take that on if you'd be interested in doing that for sure.

1:33:53Awesome. Thank you so much Deborah.

1:34:01I had a couple thoughts. One is about the intersectionality definition.

1:34:09One thing that about intersectionality that when I was looking over the definition.

1:34:16The term intersectionality itself was is, I think it's important for us to acknowledge that it comes from the black community. There was a black activist.

1:34:25There is a black activist in Kimberly Crenshaw, and she coined that term she came up with the whole idea of intersectionality and it's kind of become this like cornerstone thing in any DEI work and any inclusion and diversity work.

1:34:43It's important that we put something in the definition of intersectionality just giving credit to that something saying like the term intersectionality has its roots in black feminism feminist activism, and that it was coined by Kimberly Williams Crenshaw in 1989, who's, you know, a civil rights scholar.

1:35:05I think that was a very, very, very, very civil rights activist and a legal scholar. Something that was just a very, I can write something better than that but basically something in there saying where the term comes from would be good, I think.

1:35:18Awesome. Thanks for that in the comments here.

1:35:23The last thing I had was about the, the other amendment, I was at the, I was at the original meeting or was part of the original writing of the line that's now being changed to say as appropriate rather than to say what it says.

1:35:37I'm just wondering why it's being changed like what is the, what's the intention behind that, because when I read it to say as appropriate it sounds like someone at the city is going to decide whether or not it's appropriate to like, why not leave it as is where it just says

1:35:52change, like, you know, people's needs as people's needs or as necessary or something like that.

1:36:02Okay.

1:36:04So this is something when we know the and and I reviewed the, the appendix a was something you felt was perhaps a little more inclusive in language.

1:36:15I think it was that people's ever changing needs was was something that we considered removing and just as appropriate is was maybe a little bit more inclusive language, but that's just that's kind of the perspective we were coming at it from.

1:36:37I guess I feel like, as appropriate is less inclusive, because everyone's, everyone's needs are ever changing and like, that was the point of that being added into the appendix, the last time we did this draft was that there was nothing kind of saying like you shouldn't take one

1:36:55interaction as the end all be all.

1:36:58So, it's appropriate just feels very like someone's going to decide whether or not it's appropriate to make a change based on someone's accessibility needs. So I would keep it with the language by myself, I prefer the language that the group of disabled folks in that meeting came up with but

1:37:16Deborah is your hand up again, would you.

1:37:18Yeah, Chris.

1:37:20Sorry.

1:37:21Yeah, I was a little bit then Deborah then Chris.

1:37:24Yeah, when I saw Chris's hand go up. Yeah. So Elizabeth, go ahead.

1:37:27Thank you. Just wondering if gender should be gender identity.

1:37:32Would that not be more inclusive.

1:37:38Sure. I mean, we can certainly do that make that comment here as well.

1:37:44Thanks.

1:37:47Thanks.

1:37:49Thanks. And Lorelai I just wanted to add on to your comment about linking it to black feminist thought I think.

1:37:57Kimberly Crenshaw gets lots of the credit but I think the black feminists have been talking about intersectionality and practice and sojourner truth way back when as have indigenous scholars so I think maybe a more general

1:38:15description of the importance of black and black feminists leadership on this including Kimberly Crenshaw

1:38:26and that many indigenous women also have have put forward this perspective would be a really important addition.

1:38:37Absolutely cosine methods.

1:38:43And Chris go ahead.

1:38:45Yeah, I just like to recent caution and discussion including the actual originators in the term because that might be leaning more towards providing for

1:38:54indigenous women's not plain language and understand is love academic conversation happening here go to provide us with wise possible community.

1:39:03Second of all if you're going to be including gender identity within that scope gender expression should include as well.

1:39:21I wonder if there's a plain language enough way that we can thank the people who put in the work in the past on intersectionality when we're typing up the definition I'm sure we can figure out a plain language

1:39:33and then we can take a step out of the plain language idea that we have. Yeah, we can certainly, you know, you have to get in touch with staff for sure you're interested in again any of these changes, additional

1:39:51and then we can get a small group together potentially as well to facilitate these discussions and land on something that the AC is really comfortable with because it panics a is really a good opportunity for AC members to kind of

1:40:07make the previous additions recommendations things related to barriers that maybe you've experienced or you've, you know, experienced alongside others for future AC members sort of like a legacy document so by all means I I'm just kind of encouraging members to come forward

1:40:28and be in touch with me as you please so that we can make this document our really awesome living document as it moves forward as well.

1:40:43Awesome. Thank you so much.

1:40:48So, in terms of a motion right now are the things that we just said are those things that you want us to still just come to you with.

1:40:58And we can discuss this at the next day AC meeting or should we be adding as a new emotion. Oh, you've already done it perfect. Thank you.

1:41:09So I can read this out and please add anything if you feel I've missed something in the comments here.

1:41:17Number one that the AC member handbook appendix a review report be received. Number two that the AC review appendix a of the member handbook and connect with staff by September 6 2024 if interested in making changes to a section of the appendix that the AC provide

1:41:39their feedback and recommendations for discussion at the October 15 2024 AC meeting. And then under that I've got to revert the second recommended edits to the original version so that's that's that change at the end of the sentence there.

1:41:58And then number four that the following comments be captured. So in the definition of intersectionality recommend adding religion and changing gender to gender identity and include gender expression.

1:42:11I recommend maintaining a plain language. Consider the version of intersectionality that is defined on the Canadian Research Institute Institute for the advancement of women's website and add to definition of intersectionality that was coined by black feminist activists in Kimberly Crenshaw.

1:42:31Just that last point going back to what Deborah said maybe not just saying Kimberly Crenshaw but that you know intersectionality has its roots in black and indigenous feminist work.

1:42:44For example Kimberly Crenshaw and Kimberly is both K I M B E R L E within an accent. Excellent.

1:42:57Thank you. The upward accent at the end.

1:43:02But I can you know that too.

1:43:08No it's our monitor keeps dying on this here.

1:43:12Yeah, her name is wrong. Yes.

1:43:15I don't know if it's spelled wrong or not I didn't read it but it might be because it's a it's not the standard spelling.

1:43:36Oh, thank you.

1:43:42Okay, I've added that there Laura line.

1:43:55Just to clarify, if we are reaching out to you by September 6 is that people are individually going to meet with you about this or are we putting together some kind of working group. And if we're doing that do we need to put that in this motion.

1:44:09If it was a working group than the the meetings you need to be held in a public forum.

1:44:16Just looking at the clerk's job to confirm.

1:44:20No, they feel less important.

1:44:23No.

1:44:25So yes certainly if that's if that's preferred we could do that. We can do individual submissions and then connect people who are submitting edits that are of the same section of the report or sorry of the appendix for example.

1:44:42There's various ways we can certainly do this I'm just curious to see, you know how many people will reach out and what sections are of interest to edit. And then I think we can certainly help facilitate connect people from there.

1:44:56Okay, I just wonder if like two people had opposing ideas of an edit.

1:45:02Like, how would that work if we aren't doing it in a meeting together. I didn't hear clerk's answer did they say we would need a public forum with forum or did they say we wouldn't need that.

1:45:11If we have less than forum, then we're okay.

1:45:15It is not. It doesn't need to be public. I should have said we are okay. It doesn't need to be a public forum.

1:45:22If it is less than if we have less than forum.

1:45:27Okay.

1:45:30I agree with the opposing ideas or stances. I mean, I agree. I feel like this is an opportunity to have discussions as AC members. This is a living document that includes your ideas and information and barriers and that type of thing.

1:45:51So I certainly think we can work we can work through that help to do that.

1:45:57So part of the motion that says connect with Sarah by September, I forget what they but instead of what it says there should it should it have a deadline for when we should reach out to you if we're interested in being part of a working group to

1:46:14to discuss these edits and then if only one person reaches out to you then it's fine it's just one on one.

1:46:20So I think we should have that rather than people just sending their individual comments in the motion.

1:46:27So it does actually say that already Laura live just that if you're interested in making changes to a section of their context to reach out by September 6. So, however,

1:46:36Oh, okay. So at that date, that's not the end date for us to make edits that's at by September 6 you will be like okay, let's put a group together.

1:46:44Thank you. Sorry.

1:46:45So anything that comes through you know between now, you know, September 6, of course, and October 15, the next AC meeting will all be the week before the October 15 AC meeting when all the materials are

1:47:01prepared and posted online to the public as well as distributed to the AC will be like a summary document with the changes that have occurred through either a working group or however it comes in so that AC members can discuss that at the

1:47:16October meeting.

1:47:20That means the October, October 8 is the deadline for that. And I can follow up as I spoke to the chair of as well.

1:47:31So we don't need it in the motion that we recommend that we put together a group to talk about this before that like that doesn't need to be in the motion in order for it to happen.

1:47:41No, I think it's broad enough so that we can certainly do that if there's an M people or if that's the way we choose to go about it but that we can also accept kind of individual submissions if that's the room that ends up happening as well.

1:47:59Anyone like to put this motion forward.

1:48:07Elizabeth and seconded by immortal.

1:48:12Is anyone opposed to this motion.

1:48:19I don't see or hear any so the motion passes. Thanks so much everyone.

1:48:25The last part here on the agenda is just announcements.

1:48:32The one second my screen reader just jumped all over the place.

1:48:37Okay, sorry with that.

1:48:58Okay, so the announcements we have four announcements.

1:49:01The fourth one I'm going to pass over to Sarah, but for the first three we have the first announcement is the design of public spaces standards Development Committee recommendations are posted for public feedback and there's a link in the agenda, where you can go to share your

1:49:17comments on these initial recommendations to help make the design of public space is more accessible and the feedback deadline for that is August 29 at the end of this month.

1:49:27So check out the agenda for those links.

1:49:30Second announcement is that the Ministry for seniors and accessibility the MSAA is going to be planning an AC forum that's taking place on October 2 2024.

1:49:40We don't have any other information than that this moment. More information will be available soon, hopefully, and will be distributed to AC members so all we know right now is that it's happening on October 2.

1:49:53So if you are interested in attending that make sure you're holding that date and we and then Sarah and accessibility services will be in touch with us if if we're interested in participating.

1:50:05The third announcement is that we've received two member resignations, and we want to thank both of these members for their dedicated service and contributions to the AC.

1:50:17So how the Jacobs is resigning from the AC June 25th effect of June 25 and Donna, who's here today will be resigning effective August 31.

1:50:30We definitely want to thank you both very much for your work and all of your contributions and not just here but also site planning committee and showing up everywhere all the time and giving so much valuable feedback.

1:50:42We really appreciate that.

1:50:44You.

1:50:45Thanks Donna.

1:50:47And the fourth announcement I'll pass that away Sarah.

1:50:51Alright, so the last one is just an announcement that I will be heading on maternity leave effective October 2nd.

1:50:59And so for any upcoming committee related communications, you're more than welcome to use the accessibility at 12 dots email.

1:51:08I've got our phone number listed here as well as liens extension, the TTY and the text number for liens as well.

1:51:19If you so choose to use that.

1:51:22It is certainly bitter sweet.

1:51:24That means that today is my last AC meeting, but I will be participating in the prep and things like that leading to the October meeting and then I'll hang it off to someone who will be covering my maternity leave.

1:51:37So you in about a year or so.

1:51:40Thank you so much Sarah and congratulations.

1:51:46I think this is the first that you've announced that today. See, and we're very happy for you. Congrats.

1:51:53You'll be missed.

1:51:55Very missed, but we'll look forward to having you back.

1:51:59All right everyone so that is the end of the meeting.

1:52:02Hold on Lorelai I have a question.

1:52:05Sorry about that, but it took me a minute. I have to check the calendar to verify this, but I wanted to know, do you, does anyone know what time of day the Ministry for seniors and accessibility.

1:52:20Forum is going to be, is it going to be in the evening or is it going to be during the day.

1:52:24No idea. All they said was October 2nd. Hold the date.

1:52:29That's all of the message said. So as soon as we get any information, we will send it out to the entire day.

1:52:37Okay, well I just want to highlight that there's a significant religious holiday that evening that starts at sunset for my community. So we couldn't cannot attend if it's any time in the evening.

1:52:53Do you feel comfortable communicating that with the ministry.

1:52:56Yes.

1:52:58I would encourage that.

1:53:00Okay, if you want to email me the information on how to do that I would love to do that.

1:53:05Thank you.

1:53:07Being held by the city or Guelph or anything it's the provinces.

1:53:12Yeah, no I get that but information about it.

1:53:25All right.

1:53:27So, we can adjourn.

1:53:31Do I need to do a, there's no motion to adjourn if we adjourn six minutes early is there.

1:53:37Yeah, you do unless you're adjourning break off time.

1:53:42Okay. That's funny. All right. Would anyone like to move to adjourn.

1:53:46It's going to stand out.

1:53:48And in order to is anyone opposed. You can't be opposed to adjourn.

1:53:54No.

1:53:55All right. Thank you everyone have a good.

1:53:58Good rest of your evening. I appreciate everyone showing up.

1:54:05Thank you.

1:54:07Thank you.

1:54:09That's going to end up on the recorder.