Accessibility Advisory Committee

0:02meeting procedures about resolutions and passing motions and wording and that sort of stuff.

0:09What you'll see on agendas, what you will see on agendas and some just general tips and tricks moving forward.

0:16So first, I'm going to give a little bit of an overview of the advisor committee governance framework that was just completed earlier this year.

0:30It was a two year project that the city of wealth took on in collaboration with the wealth lab.

0:36What you can use here is actually the lead project coordinator on that work and it is culminated in what you see today.

0:44So we're implementing the framework and one of the highlights of that framework was to on board and start up again all of our new ACLCs,

0:55our advisory committee council and the ACAC being one of those committees.

1:01So a little bit of information about how the frameworks was created.

1:06There was some community engagement work bringing together academic and non academic partners as I talked about the wealth lab in the city.

1:15Collaboration between city staff, researchers supported by the wealth lab and there was working groups created of existing ACLC members in the past.

1:27Some of the highlight of the framework were the seven commitments and I'll just read them off here but ACLCs are a form of community engagement.

1:38They should help shape the city's strategic goals.

1:41They should adopt a deliberative during liberate practices should contribute lived in professional experience should have a diverse membership should be clear communication between the ACLCs and city council and should be adequately resource to some of the six critical features of the framework.

2:05Effective communication between ACLC members and city council staff liaisons operate with a strategic level of responsibility is clear up to date regular review in terms of reference.

2:18New recruitment efforts engage with and recruit diverse membership for the ACLCs.

2:24Potential for compensation and coverage for participation related expenses. This is highlighted as currently unfunded and it is a subsequent step of the framework that we hope to bring forward to council in the near future.

2:39And then like we talked about adequate resources to support the flow function of the ACLCs.

2:47So first wanted to highlight some of the legislative requirements here. All meetings of the ACLCs should be open to the public.

2:55Similar to what we're doing here today. All decisions must be made through resolution.

3:01Where feedback is provided on a topic that is going before city council all resolutions must be communicated in full to city council.

3:10And then meeting notices and agendas must be published in advance of the meeting and meeting minutes must be posted publicly following the meetings.

3:20Okay. So what is a meeting. A meeting is a anytime.

3:25A quorum of the ACLC is together talking about the ACLC business.

3:31In this situation we currently have five members of the accessibility advisory committee so form would be three.

3:39And then we are still in an open recruitment process for the AC.

3:45We hope to bring the committee up to full membership as soon as possible.

3:52A meeting must occur with meeting can occur sorry without proper public notice and you'll you'll find those notices provided on the city website and can be made available in other formats and people wish.

4:09So how does staff provide feedback to staff or how does ACLC members provide feedback to staff and council.

4:15So this is kind of why we're here.

4:20ACLC members will hear information from staff or have the opportunity to bring their own information forward and presented in front of the committee.

4:30A committee can then pass formal resolution that that's that that information be considered or could be presented to council either through the minutes a staff report or other subsequent process.

4:46And I think before I go on.

4:50I think we have another member of the AC here.

4:52Sorry.

4:53That's okay.

4:55Not a formal group before not to not to worry.

4:59It's close by.

5:00I'd love for you to have an opportunity to introduce yourself if you'd like to be many.

5:06I'm Judy and I'm from golf.

5:10Thank you Judy and I appreciate you joining us today Judy we're just going over some of the policies procedures and governance framework of the AC.

5:20So as we were talking about feedback to staff and council.

5:24We mentioned resolutions.

5:27Resolutions must be moved and seconded.

5:30Then there can be a discussion on those resolutions to provide feedback.

5:34And then a simple majority of 50% plus one of the members need to vote in favor to pass that resolution.

5:42Comments from individual members don't constitute formal feedback.

5:47What we would recommend in this scenario is that if the comments are important and you wish for them to be included that they be incorporated within the resolutions that are presented.

5:57Staff are here and available to help with the wording for those resolutions to ensure that all ACOC members have a chance to provide their feedback in a manner that they feel fit.

6:09Okay, now what I would recommend is if we have opportunities we can provide that support for resolution development prior to a meeting but we're also available to do it during the meeting.

6:20If that is so desired.

6:23Here at one second.

6:25Our resolutions also motions.

6:28Yes, resolutions motions.

6:30Same language.

6:35So how ACOC feedback ACOC feedback is communicated to staff and city council.

6:41There's a couple ways that we do that.

6:43It's provided directly to staff through staff and or sorry provide ACOC is provide advice directly to staff and through staff to city council.

6:54Advice from an ACOC to staff can be made through a resolution at a meeting which we've just discussed and no further reporting is required.

7:03Advice from an ACOC from an ACOC member about an item that requires city council approval must be included in full in the relevant staff report.

7:12So what we'll notice here staff will come forward with different pieces of work that they're doing.

7:19Look for feedback from the committee that feedback willing be incorporated sorry incorporated into a staff report that staff report will then be presented in front of council for council's ultimate decision there.

7:32Advice from ACOC members that are not scheduled to go in front of council will be reported through the minutes of the AC those minutes will be finalized and then posted on the city of Guelph website and then they're also included in an information package that is sent weekly to council on Friday of each week so they'll have access to all of the resolutions that were passed by each committee.

7:59Before we move into code of conduct and anything else in the agenda here just want to open the floor. There's any questions about motions moving motions resolutions or how feedback is provided to council and not see any so we'll keep going.

8:20So code of conduct for city council local boards. The code of conduct applies to all members of the ACOC's.

8:30It covers all behavior regardless of whether it takes place in person online, excuse me or over social media.

8:38But one thing to highlight many sections of the code of conduct are only applicable to council members.

8:45So some of the sections that are relevant to members of the AC include gifts and benefits, confidentiality, conduct, influence on staff, improper use of influence and conflict of interest.

8:59If you have any questions specifically about any of these and your individual relationship with the AC we're happy to help provide advice.

9:08There is a integrity commissioner responsible for the city of Guelph who will ultimately provide advice if you want to go that way as well.

9:17Just to highlight here though the one that may impact individual members the most is the conflict of interest.

9:24That is where there's a conflict of interest in your personal life and the work that you're doing on the AC where you may need to recluse yourself from the resolutions or recommendations coming from the AC to staff or city council.

9:38Again, if you have any specifics we can go through those on an individual basis.

9:42I have a question. So I'm experiencing something that's inaccessible. Can I bring that forward to you guys or do I have to be someone? Do I have to make it where I'm like a general like?

9:59So yeah, so that great question. That's more related to getting items on an agenda, not necessarily a concern that you're having but what we would recommend in that scenario is working with the chair and staff to figure out how we can get that on the upcoming agenda.

10:14It may be a case where staff are already coming forward with that particular type of item and we can include it there. Maybe a case where staff weren't intending on coming forward and you can bring it up as a member of the AC with the support of the chair and staff.

10:29Or maybe a situation where what you're specifically experiencing is not within the jurisdiction of the municipality and that's where staff can support you in going to those other levels of government or the private sector to get support. Does that make sense?

10:43Yeah, it's okay. Thank you.

10:45So just to clarify, if Judy were to bring up an issue that's impacting her specifically as a barrier, is she allowed to bring that up?

10:56So again, we would review the individual request and determine all of those things that I talked about. So for example, let's say it has to do with parks, right?

11:08Well, are our park planning staff coming or our park staff coming with a report that is in relation to what you're bringing up? If they are, then we'll go that route.

11:18If they're not planning on coming and you'd still like to bring the item forward, then we would work with staff in the chair to add that to an agenda for discussion and ultimately a resolution to council if you so wish.

11:29Okay. And then like I said, if it's not a municipal related item, so let's say it has to do with, and this is just an extreme case, immigration policy, which is a federal related item.

11:40Obviously, we couldn't support in that, but we could support you in going through the proper channels to get that. And that's where staff would work with you to manage that. Does that make sense?

11:49Sure.

11:51Any follow up? I can, I can have that.

11:53It's okay. I actually probably will ask questions afterwards.

11:56Sure. And if you want to connect offline as well, we can support with that.

11:59That would be amazing for me.

12:01Awesome. Thank you.

12:06So the next piece of legislation that is relevant to the AAC is the lobbyist registry.

12:13So first thing I'm going to read what the definition of a club lobbying is.

12:17So lobbying refers to any communication with a public office holder by individuals who is paid or represents a financial interest with the goal of influencing any legislative action, including development, introduction, approval, defeat, amendment or repeal of a bylaw,

12:32motion, resolution or other decision before council.

12:35A committee of council advisory committee or member of staff undertaking delegated or statutory authority.

12:42Now, that's a whole lot of words there that really just mean as an AAC member, there is the potential for you to be lobbied by outside influence.

12:54It is not your responsibility to manage that lobbying. It is on the responsibility of the person doing the lobbying.

13:01But we just want to make you aware that we do have a lobbyist registry and a lobbyist registry bylaw in effect in the city of law.

13:09And those individuals that are having those types of communications are required to register themselves before doing so or within 10 days of afternoon.

13:17So again, this will be probably on a case by case basis.

13:22So you have any specific questions about that information.

13:25We're happy to go through that with you at another time.

13:30Yes, question.

13:33I'm not understanding what you just said, because you please clarify it simple.

13:40So lobbying is a where an individual who is not part of the AAC would come to a member of the AAC, not during a meeting, but maybe they see them at a coffee shop or the grocery store or something like that.

13:56And they say, for example, I want you to pass a resolution in this way.

14:04So that council then agrees with you and passes a resolution in support of their work.

14:10And that person stands to gain financially or stands to not lose financially by that decision being made.

14:20Does that make sense? A little bit better? Or have I still missed the mark?

14:25I missed it. Okay.

14:26Thank you for being more honest than I am trying to be like trying to figure it out.

14:31Well, the more we get to know you, it'll start coming.

14:37Maybe I'll try and give an example here. Let's say we'll go back to the parks example and maybe staff are coming forward to you to make a decision on a park structure.

14:48Okay. And there's an individual who is one of the builders of said park structures.

14:55And they want you to approve a motion that includes a specific component or multiple components of that park structure so that if you say you recommend that to council, they'll make more money.

15:07Am I, are you with me so far?

15:12Are you?

15:13A little bit with, yeah. So, no, actually, I could not repeat that back to you.

15:21Okay, let's do it this way. I am, I own a company and I want to make some money.

15:27Yeah, I got that.

15:28For me to make money, I want the city to build what I design.

15:35Yes.

15:36Okay. I want you to pass a resolution saying, please use X company to build this.

15:45What's a resolution?

15:47A resolution is motion that we talked about before.

15:50Same thing.

15:51Where that's how you give advice to council.

15:54So an example of a resolution in this scenario would be that the accessibility advisory committee supports the park design in option number one, which would include the material that I'm providing.

16:08Does that make sense?

16:09That resolution would then go to city council for council to determine how they want to make the final decision.

16:18Okay.

16:20Now, in this scenario, I come to you because I want the AAC to support my business and make me money by passing the resolution in support of the work that I want to do.

16:33So I'm trying to influence you to agree with the resolution rather than disagree with the resolution.

16:40Okay.

16:41Sorry.

16:42What if I agree with that?

16:43What if I think you're...

16:44There's nothing wrong with you agreeing with it.

16:46That's fine.

16:47But the act of me coming to you and saying, please support this is called lobbying.

16:54And there's nothing wrong with lobbying.

16:56Lobbying is a part of a democratic government, but the only individual piece that you have to realize at the city of Guelph is for me to have that conversation with you.

17:05I have to register on the city's website.

17:07I have to provide my name, an email address, who I'm speaking to.

17:11Keep you guys safe and secure.

17:14It's so the public can understand the conversations that are happening that aren't in a public form.

17:22Right?

17:23So any conversation we have in this room, there's a video of it.

17:26People can attend online and watch.

17:28There'll be minutes to show what happened.

17:30So it's very transparent and open.

17:33If I do this to you in a grocery store and I see you and I say, hey, Judy, I know you're part of the AC.

17:38Can you vote this way for me?

17:39Because I really...

17:40What do I say to that?

17:41Do I say I can't?

17:43I have no...

17:44So you don't have to police or enforce that at all.

17:47You can give your opinion.

17:48You can talk to the individual.

17:50You can have a conversation.

17:52All you need to know is that that individual is responsible to register that conversation publicly on the city's website.

18:01So I would have to go online.

18:02I would tell them to go to the city's website.

18:04You got it.

18:05You got it.

18:06See, yeah.

18:07Thank you.

18:08I'm so sorry.

18:09That's okay.

18:10No, that's...

18:11This is why we're doing this today.

18:12So you could say, hey, I think this is lobbying.

18:14You should probably go check the city's website.

18:16We go and talk to you.

18:17And that's great.

18:18Yes.

18:19Connect with Leanne.

18:20Connect with me.

18:21And we can help you with all of it.

18:22You're a lady.

18:23Yeah.

18:24I'm a lady.

18:25I'm a lady.

18:26And we can help with all of that.

18:27And that's all I wanted to highlight here is that we have this.

18:30And that if you're in that situation, please reach out.

18:33And we can help you navigate that environment.

18:35Okay?

18:36That's right.

18:37First and foremost, with intellectual disability.

18:38That's okay.

18:39That's why we're here to help explain all of this stuff.

18:41Yeah.

18:42I think everyone's got it now.

18:43Am I good there?

18:44Okay.

18:45So just one second.

18:46You can talk about barriers with people you know.

18:49Yeah.

18:50You know, it's a hassle.

18:51It's a lot of people.

18:52It's that in this scenario that Garrett was playing, playing,

18:56yeah, he, his company would have made money.

19:00Or didn't lose money.

19:01Or yeah, like that's where it's, that's where it becomes lobbyist.

19:06Basically, from what I think I'm understanding what you're saying is same thing that's happening

19:16in Kitchener where this company wants to build this apartment building, but it's like they

19:27want to do a basic land disabled.

19:29Well, I can't speak specifically about the Kitchener example they have there.

19:34I just don't know enough about it.

19:36But what a lobbyist registry is meant to do is meant to publicly show the conversations

19:43that are happening between elected officials and decision makers and those people who want

19:48to influence their decisions to allow everyone to understand that that's happening.

19:52And there is no under the table conversation.

19:54It's to show that they're having these conversations.

19:57There's nothing wrong with having these conversations.

19:59It's part of a democratic government to have these conversations.

20:03But we want the public to be aware that these conversations are happening so they are well

20:07informed when they make their decisions.

20:09Does that make sense?

20:10No, it's not that there's no sneakiness because that's not sneaky.

20:15It's to give information publicly and open and transparently to everybody.

20:20So everyone's aware.

20:21Yes.

20:22And finally, yeah, I'm starting to.

20:23Does that make sense?

20:24Yeah.

20:25So like I said, if you find yourself in this situation or you'd like a little bit more

20:30of an explanation here, I'm happy to connect with anybody offline about this.

20:35And just know that it's there and that it's the lobbyists responsibility to manage this,

20:41not your responsibility.

20:42Okay.

20:43So I can just tell them to come to you.

20:45Yeah.

20:46Yeah.

20:47That's what I'm going to do.

20:48That's exactly what I'm going to do.

20:49Stay out of it and I don't get interviewed with politics and all that.

20:53So it's actually even more than that.

20:55You're not required to tell them to come to me.

20:58You can.

20:59We would appreciate you being an advocate for the city in that way, but you're not required

21:04to.

21:05All this is on them.

21:06But wouldn't there don't know where to go?

21:09So that's why we would like you to be an advocate.

21:11That's why we do a whole bunch of different information campaigns on that.

21:16And that's our.

21:17So if I say that someone go to you, what would I say right to the city hall, the accessible

21:23advisory committee?

21:24You could send them anywhere and it would make its way to the right spot.

21:27I would say that.

21:28But if you wanted to give them very clear direction, they could contact the clerk's office.

21:32The clerk's office.

21:33Yes.

21:34Okay.

21:35Okay.

21:36That's you.

21:38That's here.

21:39Correct.

21:40They're the whole team of us that could handle that.

21:41They work at the clerk's office.

21:42Yeah.

21:43Winnie and I are both part of the clerk's office.

21:45Yeah.

21:46Okay.

21:47And who are you?

21:48Hi.

21:49I'm Kayla.

21:50I tell you, we'll do introductions again.

21:52But my name is Kayla.

21:54I work with Leanne and I'm one of the two accessibility coordinators that we're not

21:59in the city.

22:00So you could also contact me about some of you.

22:02And I'm just going to invite it.

22:04No, it's okay.

22:05Thanks, I appreciate the questions.

22:08So now we'll talk about terms of reference.

22:13So just a little bit of overview here.

22:17It's made up of the mandate composition, meeting schedule and format.

22:20And then also we have the one year review timeline.

22:25So within the first year before November 2026, a review of the terms of reference will be

22:30completed.

22:31There's a self-assessment tool that's going to be completed as well as a report to council.

22:38And then there's a self-assessment review.

22:41We don't need to get into the details of this.

22:43We'll have staff help guide you through that process when we get there.

22:47But just so you know, this is new as of this year.

22:52And this is some of the work that has come out of the governance framework that we hope

22:56to implement on an ongoing basis.

23:02So now we talk about role of staff, clerk's office and ACOC members.

23:07So first role of staff liaison.

23:09So you have two staff liaisons here supporting you.

23:14So they advise on high level decision making and bring deep knowledge regarding the strategic

23:19goals and priorities of the city.

23:22They collaborate with members and other city staff to ensure ACOC contributions are sought

23:27early in policy and planning discussions, facilitate communications between city staff,

23:34chairs, vice chairs and members, and maximize the value of the ACOC to inform the strategic

23:39goals and priorities of the city, provide opportunities for members to learn technical

23:44terms, knowledge and skills related to the mandate, and practice to tell the facilitation

23:51and conflict management consensus building and related skills as well as awareness how

23:57inequities can be perpetuated even through deliberative approaches.

24:00So really, your staff liaison is here with your knowledge experts.

24:04They're going to support all of the work that the ACOC does.

24:08They're going to be there for support to help you understand what is being asked of you,

24:12to help you move forward with making recommendations and passing motions and resolutions so council

24:20can hear from the AC and really bring that knowledge component to meetings.

24:26Does that make sense?

24:27They're really your knowledge experts.

24:30That's me.

24:32Yeah.

24:33Correct.

24:34Okay.

24:35Now, we talked about city clerk's office support, which is Winnie and I.

24:43So we do, essentially we do all the stuff in the back end.

24:46We're going to prepare your agendas.

24:48We're going to create all your reports.

24:49We're going to help you with resolutions.

24:51We're going to prepare your minutes.

24:53We're going to help you with your motions, moving, seconding, voting.

24:56We're going to ensure all the procedural bylaw stuff is satisfied so that you don't have

25:01to worry about your information getting to staff or getting to council.

25:05We will do all the work in the back end.

25:07So you won't hear from us as much, right?

25:10You'll hear from staff that are presenting.

25:12You'll hear from your staff that he has on this much, but we'll be doing all the work

25:15in the back end and can help you with any of those technical questions like we've been

25:18talking about with the lobbyist registry, procedural bylaw, any of those types of things.

25:22I saw I had.

25:24Now, okay.

25:26I like this lovely lady.

25:29I don't really have, you know, the greatest brain in the world.

25:34It would be easy, easier, I think, for Lady and I, if you would, you know, say, Leon and

25:46a or Winnie and yourself, instead of making a generalization because that's too over the

25:57head.

25:58Well, what I would say is yes, you're right.

25:59The individuals here are just a four bus, but quite honestly, you'll probably see 20,

26:0630, 50 different staff in this room over the time that you're with the AC.

26:11So I'm not, I'm not just those people.

26:13So we have some members of the public.

26:15We have some committee members and we have some staff online right now.

26:19Okay.

26:20And you will see a whole bunch of other staff come in here and present information to you.

26:24Maybe they're related to transportation services, maybe park planning services that we talked

26:28about a whole bunch of other stuff.

26:30So you'll hear from a lot of different people.

26:33So when I say staff, I'm referencing anybody who could come in and not just us.

26:38Winnie and I are here to support.

26:40There are going to be days when there's other clerk's office staff here to support.

26:43Other members of my team who can come down and support and they'll, they'll introduce

26:48themselves and everything.

26:49But that's when I say staff, I'm representing not just the four of us, but everybody.

26:53Yes, exactly.

26:54Does that make sense?

26:55Okay.

26:56But it's like A and Leon are always going to be here.

27:0199.9% of the time I would say so.

27:05Yes.

27:06Barring something that we can't plan for.

27:08I would agree.

27:09Yes.

27:10They will always be here.

27:11Okay.

27:12Barring, you can find.

27:13Okay.

27:14Barring, following off the face of the year.

27:17We won't be doing it.

27:20So, yeah.

27:22You're just like temporary.

27:24I'm probably only here for, you won't see me every time.

27:29Let's say that way.

27:30I will be here at every meeting.

27:32I will be here at some meetings when it's required, like I'm presenting right now.

27:37And sometimes you'll hear from clerk's office staff, but they'll at least be staff here

27:41operating in the background.

27:43Right now we're online with our online meeting.

27:46Well, we're operating that.

27:47We're making sure people are coming in.

27:49We're doing all that sort of stuff.

27:50And all I want to say with our support is you won't necessarily recognize what we're

27:55doing, but we're here to help whenever you have any questions or anything like that.

27:59Okay.

28:00Okay.

28:01You shouldn't really see what we're doing because it should work perfectly and you shouldn't

28:04have any complaints and that would be a success for us.

28:07That would be a perfect job.

28:10So the last is role of ACLC members, which is yourselves here.

28:15So we just ask that you be well prepared to attend and participate in meetings and contribute

28:19skills, knowledge and experience with respect to the mandate and objectives of the ACLC.

28:27Be curious and flexible in your discussions, valuing and encouraging diverse viewpoints,

28:33understanding and respecting the roles and expectations of all participants and attending

28:37training like we are doing today.

28:40Okay.

28:41So really all we ask is that you come prepared and you come engaged and ready to have discussions,

28:52ready to move business forward and ready to support the workings of the ACLC.

28:59So we value your input.

29:01We want to hear your input and we want to support you in providing that input to staff

29:06and council.

29:07Okay.

29:08Usually my first meetings I'm pretty quiet.

29:10Yeah, you know what?

29:11That's probably the case for a lot of people.

29:14We'll start to get comfortable with each other and it should be a nice diverse conversation

29:17with everybody involved.

29:22So basic meeting procedures.

29:24You saw a little bit of it when we started the meeting when he kicked us off there.

29:29But like I said, all ACLCs must abide by the city's wealth procedure by law and the ACLC

29:35meeting procedures.

29:37You do not need to know these documents.

29:39That's why we are here.

29:40We will ensure that you facilitate your meetings through those lenses and you don't have to

29:46bother yourself with understanding those documents.

29:49That's our job.

29:50Okay.

29:51There are parliamentary procedures, ensuring fairness and equilibrity and decision making.

29:56Again, we will support with that type of information.

30:01We talked about already that ACLCs can only formally advise staff and council through

30:06our motions, our resolutions.

30:07Okay.

30:08And the city clerk's office is a resource if a meeting procedures are becoming cumbersome,

30:14confusing, anything of that sort.

30:16We want to make this easy as possible for you while still satisfying the requirements

30:21of those documents.

30:22Okay.

30:23So we will help you navigate those documents, ensure that you've satisfied the requirements

30:27while also being engaged and providing great feedback through the process.

30:33Okay.

30:34So we will have a meeting document.

30:36The procedural bylaw, the ACLC meeting procedures, those documents are not mentioned.

30:43And then we've outlined there, 90% of what we're talking about here is as simple as there's

30:48a recommendation, a member moves that motion, somebody seconds that motion.

30:54We have a discussion about that motion and then we vote on that motion.

30:59And if we have more than majority, that motion passes.

31:03That is pretty much what we're going to do and we will help solve it.

31:07Okay.

31:10So how to write resolutions.

31:12I'm not expecting everyone to come out of this orientation with a great understanding

31:18about how to write resolution, be able to do it by themselves.

31:21What I will say is we are here to support.

31:25The more advanced notice you can give us on the type of resolution that you're trying to

31:30bring forward, the better able we are to support you.

31:33Yeah, that said, we can write resolutions during the meeting for you.

31:37Okay.

31:38We've done that many times in the past.

31:40We can navigate that language together.

31:42We can get those resolutions removed, seconded, asked, discussed, and then passed.

31:49We have some examples here of good resolutions.

31:51The only thing I want to highlight here is they reference specific items, attachments,

31:57they're dated, and they provide clear directions.

32:00So be approved or considered by staff for inclusion.

32:05Okay.

32:06There's examples here of bad resolutions.

32:09All I want to highlight here is you can see that they're very minimal in terms of their

32:14information.

32:15They're not directly related to any specific item.

32:18They're not dated and they don't give a great direction moving forward.

32:22You can see the word indoors there.

32:25That's not a word that we like to use for our resolutions.

32:29And then one thing to highlight, the worst resolution is no resolution at all.

32:33If you are looking to get information in front of staff or in front of council, we must do

32:39that through resolution so it can be captured in minutes.

32:41It can be captured in staff reports.

32:44So we would ask that we pass resolutions to get that information forward rather than provide

32:49a whole bunch of commentary and then not move forward with any of that.

32:53So when Garrett says a staff report, that's a report that would then go to council to

32:58tell council all the resolutions or all the motions that have happened at all the committees.

33:02So we want to make sure that our motions get on that list and that staff know, remember

33:11a discussion happens, but then what is the outcome of the discussion?

33:17What is the expectation of the whole committee?

33:19Right?

33:20That's what we want to be focused on.

33:21And then the staff person from parks, for example, can then take that motion and go away and

33:27see what the impact is to their work and if they could do it and all that type of stuff

33:32within their budgets.

33:33Yeah.

33:35Does that make sense, everybody?

33:36Yeah.

33:37Thank you.

33:39And then the last thing I think we're highlighting here is agendas.

33:43You would have received the agenda for today's meeting.

33:47We like to get these agendas out approximately one week prior to meeting date.

33:52Like we talked about before, agendas are made up of, sorry.

33:57Information from staff or information from ACOC members.

34:03Excuse me.

34:04Members of the ACOC can request that items be added to future agendas.

34:09We were walking through that example of how we do that earlier and then information will

34:14be provided in advance of that meeting.

34:16OK.

34:21Lastly, we're here to help.

34:23You should have received a lot of communication through our email, phone, in person.

34:28Reach out.

34:28If you have any questions, anything was unclear.

34:31If you need additional explanation or additional support in any way, let us know.

34:37My lot have a support person.

34:38Let's say.

34:40That's all.

34:42I haven't come lately.

34:43Yeah.

34:44Oh, of course.

34:44Sure.

34:45Absolutely.

34:45This is this is a public meeting.

34:47There could be members of the public who come and participate and watch this meeting here, too.

34:51So you're yes, of course, you're allowed to bring individuals to come in support.

34:55OK.

34:56We can work out those details, connect with us offline.

34:58We can figure out how we can support you on that.

35:00OK.

35:01Just to help me understand.

35:02Yeah.

35:03Yeah, of course.

35:04And I don't distrust.

35:06That's everything I had.

35:07Was there any questions from anyone in the room or online?

35:14OK.

35:17I think we turn it over to.

35:18Yeah, it's item 2.2, our orientation and training from accessibility liaisons on specific roles

35:25and responsibilities.

35:26We have Leigh Ann and also Kay.

35:28Thank you very much.

35:30It looks good.

35:32Thank you.

35:35You have our slides.

35:36Yeah.

35:36Do you want to share or do you want to share by yourself?

35:40You can go.

35:40Oh, that's good.

35:41Yeah, I think I need a one.

35:42Yeah, I'm sure.

35:44Thank you.

35:47See if this is the thing.

35:50Yeah, should be right.

35:51Oh, right.

35:52And I will just make it like the food screen.

35:55Oh, is here.

35:56Yep.

35:57Thanks.

35:58Thank you, Annie.

35:59Yep.

36:00OK, everyone.

36:01So Leigh Ann and I are going to take you through any of the accessibility and disability specific

36:10orientation materials that we think will be supportive for you today.

36:14And as always, if there's anything that is not clear as you're speaking, feel free to let us know.

36:20But we hope that we can provide some clarity and support through this presentation today.

36:26All of the slides that you'll see have a dark text on a white background with a banner at the top.

36:32That says City of Guelph with a blue and green toned

36:37like banner banner of the city.

36:40And for folks online, if you can see the person wearing the blue shirt to the left of your screen.

36:45And Leigh Ann is directly across from me here.

36:49So welcome to new and returning members of the City of Guelph's Accessibility Advisory Committee.

36:56We did introduce ourselves before, so I think we can skip that if that is all right with everyone.

37:05So our agenda is here.

37:06I'll go through it quickly.

37:08So we have shared expectations.

37:10First item, welcome and introductions.

37:12Two, why are we here?

37:14Three, crafting emotion.

37:17Four, how we understand accessibility.

37:20Five, the AODA.

37:22Six, consultations.

37:24Seven, City of Guelph Accessibility Resources.

37:27Eight, Accessibility Advisory Committee, Bracket AAC.

37:31Nine, questions.

37:33Ten, getting to know each other.

37:35Eleven, what is your area of interest?

37:38And twelve, a tour of City Hall.

37:48Leigh Ann, would you like to just, if I don't know if anyone knew online that wasn't

37:54anyone that wasn't here, just if you want to introduce yourself quickly again.

37:57Yeah, so again, Leigh Ann Warren, Supervisor Accessibility Services.

38:02Kayla Bessie, Accessibility Coordinator, and I am covering a maternity leave for a colleague named Sarah.

38:10So I will be here at least the rest of this calendar year, but after that, you maybe

38:18will be meeting someone like Sarah who is in my role.

38:23And the clerks folks here who you've met.

38:27So the second point here, invitation for a relaxed environment.

38:30We just want to stress that we understand it could be your first time engaging in a formal political environment such as City Hall.

38:37You're welcome to engage in whatever ways are most comfortable and accessible to you.

38:41You may attend meetings online or in person with your camera on or off.

38:46There's no expectation to dress formally.

38:48If there's anything you would like the accessibility team to know that would support your fullest participation in the AAC, please let us know.

38:56We welcome communication via email, phone, text or video call.

39:00What's most important to us is that there's a culture of respect for everyone's contributions.

39:05The key reason for you being here is to have an opportunity to let us know about barriers you've experienced and how they may be removed.

39:13As staff, we would never profess to know everything and we're happy to have you here to support our mutual understanding.

39:21And we already did a go around of names at the beginning, so we'll skip that item as well.

39:30So why are we here?

39:32First and foremost, the AAC advises staff and council regarding accessibility and or disability issues.

39:40We're here to, for collaboration and consultation as the vehicle, the thing that moves forward, greater accessibility for all.

39:49We're here to consider various types of disability and advice that is given.

39:55And you might be wondering what happens when there are competing needs or opinions on an issue.

40:02Successful motions of recommendations.

40:06Ideally consider multiple perspectives to give staff the diverse information that they need to implement accessibility in the work that they're doing.

40:15So when you're crafting a motion, this is very similar to what Garrett was just reviewing.

40:23This might be a little plain way to help think about it if you're still trying to get it in your brain.

40:29So possible motion template, a motion is just a word that is the suggestion that the glue comes to you.

40:36So you might say, I move that a particular department, for example, parks like you've been saying,

40:43does a specific and actionable thing, piece of advice, that includes words that are within the scope of the topic that the staff will present to you about.

40:55And just a note on advice.

40:58So you sharing your ideal, like your dream situation could be a part of a motion.

41:04But we also need to remember that staff have constraints or limits that influence the work that you're doing.

41:12That influence the scope of the project and what is possible within the project that we're together to talk about, right?

41:20So staff work on a budget and approval system.

41:25So there's always kind of barriers around what's possible for various people.

41:31So if we always remember that barriers to accessibility are the focus of what we're here to achieve together rather than the preferences of an individual.

41:41And we will talk more about different types of disability and things.

41:45But if we just keep all of that in mind, then I think we'll do a good job writing motions together.

41:50And we're always here to help write motions like Garib say.

41:57OK. And so when I said consider various types of disability in your advice, we won't get into this today.

42:03But sometimes soon we'll share with you a handbook.

42:07And there's a section in there called Appendix A.

42:10And that's a document that you, the AAC members will co-write with Lee and I that helps us all to be on the same page about the wide range of experiences of disability and accessibility that people may have.

42:25So we'll talk more about that later.

42:26But I just wanted to flag that as something that is upcoming and will be for your attention.

42:35Again, please.

42:36Right.

42:36Yes.

42:37So the AODA, you're going to hear AODA a lot from staff as well as from us here in the roof.

42:46But when staff come from different departments, they're going to reference that or say that as well.

42:50And that's that provincial legislation that say accessibility for Ontarians with Disabilities Act.

42:57So there are some very specific consultations.

43:00And that's what they call them when we engage the Accessibility Advisory Committee.

43:05That's considered a consultation.

43:08So there are some specific consultations that are required by the AODA.

43:13And then there are others that are not required by the AODA.

43:16So other projects and that type of thing that sometimes staff will come for something that they don't have to come to the AAC for.

43:23In fact, I say sometimes in the past few years, you're going to see in a minute more things came to the AAC that weren't required than things that were required.

43:32Just because the requirements are so few things.

43:37Great.

43:38Do the next slide.

43:39So just to explain that a little bit better.

43:42Here's a table that shows in 2022 only three required items came to the Accessibility Advisory Committee and 10 that were not required.

43:52So let's kind of skip down a little bit to understand what's the difference between required and not required.

43:58So required are generally about the Accessibility Plan for staff to make things happen to become things so things in their department become more accessible.

44:10Bus stops and bus shelters, how they're designed and the spaces that are needed.

44:16Taxicabs.

44:18And all that is is understanding the number of taxi cabs that we should have in the community.

44:26And that's as far as the AODA basically goes.

44:29But, you know, we can have other discussions around that as well.

44:35Recreation trails.

44:37So what do they, you know, what's the percentage of the slopes?

44:40Like how steep can it be?

44:42How wide and things like that and the surface of the trails.

44:46As well as rest areas.

44:47So where benches are located, that type of thing.

44:51And then play spaces.

44:53So in other words, playgrounds.

44:55So advising on equipment that could be in a playground.

44:59So giving advice on all of this stuff.

45:02And then on-street parking specifically.

45:05So parking that's in a parking lot is not part of the consultation, but on-street parking is one of the consultation requirements.

45:14So the not required though.

45:17Excuse me.

45:17Here's an example that happened last year.

45:22And it was staff came to find out when there was affordable housing in a special program called that CIP program.

45:31So community improvement plan.

45:33Where the AAC recommendation supported staff in including an extra $20,000 a person could apply for.

45:41Or increasing the accessibility of what they were going to build as extra housing in their backyard or in their house type of thing.

45:50So the staff proposed $20,000 and the AAC agreed with that and made a motion to agrees to support staff on that.

46:00So that would pay for things like adding in maybe an automatic door operator on the front door.

46:06Making sure that the bathroom door was wide enough instead of a skinny little bathroom door.

46:11Things like that that could be accessed under that $20,000.

46:15And it was very specific about what would qualify for the $20,000 as well.

46:21Like a ramp?

46:24Yeah.

46:25Yeah.

46:26So you could have been a ramp.

46:27Yeah.

46:27And staff asked this and didn't have to ask the AAC this.

46:32So that's the not required is just an example.

46:35What about grab bars in the bathroom?

46:37Yeah.

46:37Grab bars in the bathroom.

46:39Yeah.

46:39They qualify too.

46:40What about shower stalls?

46:43Yeah.

46:43Shower stalls over a tub qualify too.

46:45And it'd be a rolling.

46:46Yeah.

46:47Yeah.

46:48So we have consultations like I'm not required and not required.

46:54So required on the one side.

46:56Things that are accepted as things that the accessibility.

47:02Yeah.

47:03So the ones over on the left side where he says required general topics.

47:06Yeah.

47:07Those are the things that we need to consult on.

47:09Yes.

47:10That one example on the other side about that CIP program staff didn't have to come

47:16to the AAC to consult on that.

47:18So that's an example of one that they didn't have to come.

47:22The AODA has doesn't say anything about that you need to come to the AAC about it.

47:29Okay.

47:29So in 2023 backed up at the table the required consultations were 16 and then

47:38not required were 15.

47:40So it was about the same.

47:42And then in 2024 the required were nine and then these not required ones because

47:47staff just wanted to know the input from the AAC members because they don't want to

47:52build something or put a program in place that has a barrier right from the start.

47:56There were 21 things that they came to the AAC about.

48:00So you can see that they come to the AAC often or things that they don't have to

48:06come but they really want to know.

48:08They can't necessarily do everything that you're saying but they sure want to know.

48:12And if they can't do it now you know they're going to look to see how can they do it in

48:16the future.

48:18Yeah.

48:18That's what happens as long as it's not conflicting with something else.

48:22Yeah.

48:22Like other needs of other people in the community because there are a few examples

48:29that could be that and that gets into that whole competing disability.

48:32Right.

48:34So you have somebody maybe with a service animal and somebody with allergies.

48:38What do you do in those cases?

48:39Right.

48:40So it's things like that that you need to.

48:44Yeah.

48:44Oh no.

48:45We have to respect everybody.

48:47Like I said that's the way it goes.

48:49Yeah.

48:50Okay.

48:50You can change the slightly.

48:53Yeah.

48:54Great.

48:55Back to me for a minute.

48:56So this is the first of three slides about City of Guelph Accessibility Resilences.

49:02And you might be wondering what does the accessibility team at the City of Guelph do.

49:07So Lee Ed and I have another colleague, Keely, who's attending online listening in.

49:12But as far as the staff support for you all of those you'll be communicating with Lee

49:17Ed and I.

49:18So we support the committee including fielding or receiving committee and community accessibility

49:27concerns.

49:27So if people bring any concerns to us for consideration.

49:32We develop the agenda for all of the meetings with the chair and the vice chair of the AAC.

49:38We support you in writing motions like we've been talking about.

49:42You never have to do that alone and help you write them.

49:45We'll facilitate communication between AAC and staff and or council.

49:52And we help other staff do their work from an accessibility related perspective.

49:57So in between meetings, Lee Ed and I will have other meetings and conversations with staff

50:04who work in other departments to help them understand how they can come and talk to you

50:09in a way that'll be really successful and understood by everybody so that we can

50:13have greater accessibility across the board.

50:17And we'll guide members on the city's scope of responsibility.

50:22So we'll help you understand what falls under municipal city of wealth responsibility.

50:28So for example, not social services, that's not at the city level and not anything that is

50:35provincial or federal legislation.

50:38So we'll help you understand because nobody, you know, there's no expectation that you

50:42automatically know what those responsibilities are.

50:46We help you understand them.

50:47And then any other support that committee members or the committee as a whole needs,

50:53we are here.

50:53So any questions at all, that's a regular support.

51:00Are there any questions so far?

51:02Yeah.

51:08I think it's over to me.

51:10So the facility accessibility design manual, that's a mofo.

51:15We usually call it the FADM.

51:17And what this is, is how we build things.

51:21So it mainly focuses on buildings that are city owned, but it also focuses on city owned parks

51:30and our sidewalks and all that type of thing.

51:33So a good example of that would be, you know, the yellow panels that are in the sidewalks.

51:40Sometimes they're cast iron in the downtown, but otherwise they're yellow.

51:45Yeah.

51:45Yeah.

51:47So there's very specific instructions in this FADM on how the concrete company that puts them in,

51:54how they're supposed to do all that work.

51:58It's a large document and it is available online.

52:02And so if you want a link to it, just let me know and I can send you or email you a link that will

52:07take you right to it.

52:09We are updating it right now and it's likely to come to the AAC

52:14in around toward the end of this year, but more likely the beginning of 2026.

52:19And so you'll get a chance to weigh in and think about how we build things.

52:24And if you agree with what's in it, or if you think it should be a little bit different,

52:29we'll take your advice and we'll consider all of that.

52:32And it does go beyond the accessibility advisory or the AODA, right?

52:39It goes beyond that and it goes beyond the building code as well.

52:42And it is based on universal design.

52:47Yeah.

52:48Now, when you're talking about those yellow things,

52:51are you talking about the ones with the bumps?

52:54Yeah, the ones with the bumps.

52:55Those are horrible.

52:58They are so whoever invents them is a real quack.

53:04Yeah, they are required by the province though.

53:07Why?

53:09Okay.

53:09Yeah.

53:10Why?

53:10I mean, I cannot walk on things like that and I'm sure that the lovely lady has problems

53:17walking on things like that.

53:19I know, but I'm not the province.

53:21And so if the province says they have to go in, then they go, thanks, I'm just going to finish.

53:25What purpose?

53:26So people who are blind or have low vision know that they're about to step out onto a road

53:31or some dangerous area.

53:32Yeah.

53:33Yeah.

53:34See, this is balancing the different needs of different people that we have to make sure

53:39that we're thinking about everybody though.

53:42Are they putting those there?

53:44Are they going to fix, like are they going to make it smooth or are they just saying this is

53:51what's happening right now?

53:53And this is...

53:53No.

53:55So Judy's asking if they're going to smooth them over and no, they won't be smoothing them over.

54:01That they're there to feel underfoot is what they're there for.

54:06And I didn't make it up.

54:09Like I didn't decide it.

54:10It's by the province, but this is something that does have to go in.

54:15So we do have it in our facility accessibility design manual and we have other things in there too.

54:20Like we talk about slopes on our trails, not being more than 5% slope.

54:27So it's not too steep without it being a ramp type of thing.

54:31So and then with our buildings, if something is steeper, then it would need to have hand

54:36rails on it, but not too much steeper than that.

54:38We don't allow things to be too steep.

54:41So which can be very tricky in wealth because we are in a very hilly type of community.

54:47So there are some places where we just cannot meet the standard like Cork Street,

54:54that type of thing, right?

54:55It is a hill.

54:56We cannot take down the hill.

54:59So we do have...

55:00We do our best in all cases, but the FADM, this building was built to the FADM.

55:07And everything after this building was built to the FADM.

55:11So, you know, and renovations that have happened like Vic Road when it was renovated,

55:16all that type of thing.

55:17But you'll see it in 2026 that you'll be able to weigh in.

55:20But if you want to see it now, I'll send a link to everybody on the committee so you can see it.

55:26Are they ready?

55:27So they won't be fixed.

55:28I can actually...

55:29Can I tell people that?

55:30Because people often think they're just putting those colors on the market that that's where

55:36they're going to fix it one day.

55:39Oh, spray paint is just to say it's going to be fixed one day.

55:42That's where the sidewalk has heaved.

55:45This is those yellow panels with the bumps on them.

55:47Oh, yeah.

55:49Those are for people who are blind.

55:53And that's...

55:54You struggle to get over that.

55:55Yeah.

55:57See what's accessible to one is not...

55:59If that's...

55:59I always say what's accessible to me is not always accessible to you.

56:03That's right.

56:04So then, you know, if they're taking the blind, it's always a race.

56:09I can understand that.

56:11Yeah.

56:12Okay.

56:13But it's like, what about people with walking limitations?

56:17And that's why we have a committee.

56:20So we can have those discussions and come to some...

56:23Some like a level playing field for everybody that's best...

56:27As best for everybody and then let staff know.

56:30Because it can be very confusing for staff.

56:33Because they may know someone with one type of disability,

56:36but have a feeling it might not work for another type of disability.

56:39That's the idea of the AAC is to give this feedback.

56:43But we also have to think about when there's provincial requirements,

56:47we have to meet those.

56:48And what about people in wheelchairs?

56:52How are they going to get over those bumps?

56:54They can go over those bumps.

56:55Yeah.

56:56Oh, yeah.

56:56In a wheelchair.

56:57Yeah.

56:58Yeah.

56:58Go over those bumps.

56:59I don't know.

56:59It's just like, you know, walking with the Medicare over those bumps.

57:04Yeah.

57:05It's like, you know, stirring my heart.

57:08Yeah.

57:08Yeah.

57:09And that's the type of feedback we want to hear.

57:11We can't always do something about it,

57:13but we want to hear it so we're aware of it.

57:15And if there is an opportunity for us to do something about it at some point,

57:19we will.

57:20We've planted a seed and it starts to grow.

57:24Yeah.

57:25Yeah.

57:25Yeah.

57:26Exactly.

57:27All right.

57:27Next slide.

57:27Sorry.

57:28Nope.

57:29All good.

57:29All good.

57:31All righty.

57:32So site plan.

57:34We have Keely online.

57:36And she attends like she comes to these meetings usually online,

57:41but she also meets with Accessibility Advisory Committee members.

57:46Usually after work type of thing, I think like like six to eight.

57:52About once a month she meets with them.

57:54And these are, these are Accessibility Advisory Committee members that are

57:58wanting to talk about how things are built.

58:02And it will be the site for a business that has come in for an application.

58:08And when I say site, I mean just like the connection to the municipal sidewalk

58:14to the parking lot and around the building.

58:17So not the building itself, not even the outside of the building.

58:22It's just around the like the parking lot and how you get to from the sidewalk to the building,

58:29how you move about the space outside is all that.

58:32So that's the site.

58:34And so we have a process that AAC members participate in the process to give us advice

58:40on if they notice any barriers.

58:42So they sit with Keely, they look at these drawings.

58:45Keely explains things to them.

58:47She's usually talked with staff to understand all the,

58:50all the intricate details about what the developer plans on doing.

58:56And then discusses them with the committee members that are interested in this.

58:59Said you don't have to participate in this, but you can.

59:03And it is offered online.

59:06And so you would attend that maybe once a month and have those discussions with Keely.

59:11And then she would take those, your feedback back to the developer type of thing.

59:17Yeah.

59:18So that way we're weighing in like that that's another city process.

59:22And so we're involved in that city process.

59:26Okay.

59:27Yep.

59:29Okay.

59:30I don't.

59:32Don't.

59:32Am.

59:33Okay.

59:34I don't like that.

59:36Um, what about the cop shop?

59:39I know that they've renovated it.

59:43And it's like, I've seen the cop shop on TV and everything.

59:50And it's like, where do you park your car?

59:54How do you get in to the police station?

59:58I mean, there are curbs there.

1:00:01Okay.

1:00:02But there are none of these big yellow.

1:00:07Oh, you know what I'm talking about?

1:00:10So a yellow post to keep cars from going where people are supposed to be going.

1:00:14I think that's what they're going.

1:00:16Um, but it's like for people, like, I know I'm not the only one in wealth with a

1:00:26a walking problem.

1:00:28Okay.

1:00:30And it's like, how do you get the curbs when you've got nothing to hang on to?

1:00:36Yeah.

1:00:37So there's no curves in the area where the pedestrians are expected to be.

1:00:41So it connects with the municipal sidewalk.

1:00:44You and I can talk about a lot of, you and I can talk about a lot of stuff off, like after the meeting.

1:00:49Yeah.

1:00:50Yeah.

1:00:50There's lots of stuff that I can show you even online with maps and pictures and

1:00:55that type of thing online.

1:00:56Okay.

1:00:57Okay.

1:00:58Because it's like, you know, I'm just using the police station.

1:01:03Sorry for calling at the cop shop.

1:01:05Okay.

1:01:08That's a sudden discern.

1:01:12But it's like, you know, it's like, where do you park the car?

1:01:16Yeah.

1:01:16You know, how do you get to the police station?

1:01:20Yeah.

1:01:20Yeah.

1:01:21We can talk all of those details.

1:01:22I can show it to you right on my computer.

1:01:25Okay.

1:01:25Yeah.

1:01:26Sound like a deal.

1:01:26All right.

1:01:27I'm sorry.

1:01:28No worries.

1:01:29No worries.

1:01:30That's a real detailed thing.

1:01:31So we'll get other people, but other people might already know how it works.

1:01:36So yeah.

1:01:37So you and I, and that way you can ask me all the questions you want because you'll feel comfortable then.

1:01:42Okay.

1:01:42Yeah.

1:01:43Yeah.

1:01:43So we'll ask questions.

1:01:45Okay.

1:01:45Okay.

1:01:46Yes.

1:01:46Oh yeah.

1:01:46Do you have audience?

1:01:48Hi, Leanne.

1:01:49Thank you.

1:01:50So when you're talking about Keely,

1:01:52do we have to let you know that we want to be part of the site plan people?

1:01:59Good question.

1:01:59Or the site plan?

1:02:00Good question.

1:02:00Like how do we ask?

1:02:02Yeah.

1:02:03Yeah.

1:02:04So if you email us at accessibility at wealth.ca, then yeah, let us know that whether you're

1:02:13interested or not.

1:02:14We'll probably send an email out asking as well, right?

1:02:16Okay.

1:02:17If you're interested.

1:02:17Perfect.

1:02:18And we do that every, like the probably twice a year we connect with the

1:02:22accessibility advisory committee by email just to see if you're interested in being part

1:02:26of that process.

1:02:27It's not a subcommittee.

1:02:28It's just that you're part of a city process type of thing.

1:02:31Right.

1:02:31Yeah.

1:02:32Okay.

1:02:32That sounds good.

1:02:32Thank you.

1:02:35Alrighty.

1:02:36So I think I covered everything there.

1:02:38So the recommendations Keely then meets with the developers and other staff and then she

1:02:44takes your advice.

1:02:46And if it's appropriate, she will let them know about about your advice and it usually is

1:02:52appropriate and it's usually great information.

1:02:55And then whatever gets built, the bones are there that it's accessible type of thing.

1:03:00Right.

1:03:01And then other things can happen, you know, over the next 60 years, things change, new

1:03:05asphalt gets poured, all that type of stuff.

1:03:08But at least it's laid out properly.

1:03:11Yeah.

1:03:11To be accessible.

1:03:12Great.

1:03:17So just going to help you understand some more about the role of the AAC.

1:03:24So this first slide here is just laying out some of the high level expectations.

1:03:30So the AAC is to have an understanding of information given by staff about projects and

1:03:38services that fall within the responsibility of the city.

1:03:43And as always, just to say it for the several times, Leanne and I are here if you receive

1:03:50information in a report and you're like, I'm lost.

1:03:54We can help you understand that before the meetings that you feel really confident when

1:03:58you come to the meeting and able to participate as much as you would like to.

1:04:04And you participate in staff consultations required by the AODA, like Leanne was saying

1:04:10with that chart and showing things that are required and sometimes things that are not

1:04:15required.

1:04:16And you're expected to prepare for meetings by reviewing those staff reports, which we will

1:04:21send to you via email or printed copy if you need and begin to think about motions before

1:04:29you come to the meeting.

1:04:30So you might take some of your own notes and think, okay, I have a question here.

1:04:35I have a comment here.

1:04:36Connect with us and we can help you begin to draft a motion that then we can talk about

1:04:43as a group so that everybody is really prepared and on the same page and ready to engage when

1:04:51we come to the meeting.

1:04:57So what happens leading up to a recorded public AAC meeting?

1:05:02You might be wondering, there's lots that goes on behind the scenes like Garrett was

1:05:06explaining and lots that happens in preparation of these public meeting times.

1:05:13So you will receive an email from us asking for agenda items about five weeks before the AAC

1:05:20meeting and the chair and the vice chair will meet with the liaisons myself and Leanne and

1:05:29clerk staff to set the agenda about three weeks before the meeting.

1:05:35And so what that means is the agenda is a document that helps everybody be on the same

1:05:40page and understand what they're there to talk about.

1:05:43And so something has to be on the agenda if we're going to discuss it during that meeting.

1:05:49And the agenda and the reports will be sent out one week before the meeting for you,

1:05:54the committee members to review.

1:05:56And just to say it again, you can contact the liaisons if there are any questions about the

1:06:01agenda or reports.

1:06:02And then after the meeting, the minutes, which is just the word that we use to say the notes,

1:06:09the notes about the meeting will be set out within a week after the meeting has taken place.

1:06:13So if you want to review, this is what we covered.

1:06:18This is what came of that.

1:06:20Then you can review those minutes after the meeting.

1:06:31How can you bring a topic to an AAC agenda?

1:06:35So quite simply, you contact the accessibility liaisons, Kayla and Leigh-en by emailing accessibility

1:06:43at 12.ca or calling 519-822-1260 extension 2670.

1:06:51You don't have to memorize that right now.

1:06:53You have these slides.

1:06:55But if you're like, hey, I think this is something that could be useful for the AAC to consider,

1:07:01let us know and we can help you out and let you know if it's appropriate to put on an upcoming

1:07:06agenda.

1:07:14Thank you.

1:07:16So when you get an agenda, there may be times where you see what the topic is.

1:07:24You see what department's going to come and talk.

1:07:27But you have no idea what the expectation is.

1:07:31Like what does that staff person need to get this thing going in a way that's accessible?

1:07:36So what do they need from us, from the AAC?

1:07:41So that's what these four pieces of terminology do at the end.

1:07:46Like they're at the bottom of the agenda.

1:07:50And you'll see each item will have one of these with it.

1:07:54So for information, for recommendation, and on the next slide are two more, which says for discussion

1:08:01or for AODA engagement is what they say.

1:08:04So that way you know what the expectations are.

1:08:08So for information means that something has been taken place and there is an event that the

1:08:14committee members should be aware of.

1:08:16For example, there are access recognition awards and they're being presented in council

1:08:22by the mayor on behalf of the Guelph Barrier-Free Committee.

1:08:27That just seems this.

1:08:28Nope.

1:08:29No, Guelph Barrier-Free Committee is different than this committee.

1:08:32So the Guelph Barrier-Free Committee, we're the first AAC members way back in 2001.

1:08:40But then, and then they would meet as Barrier-Free one month and they would meet as AAC the next

1:08:47month type of thing.

1:08:49Well, they found that that wasn't working because after a couple of years there were some people

1:08:54that were Barrier-Free and some people that were AAC.

1:08:57So this is not working anymore.

1:08:59So they had a meeting facilitated by a vendor and what they decided was they would divide

1:09:06up their work between the two committees.

1:09:09So Barrier-Free looks at private business and the AAC or the Accessibility Advisory Committee,

1:09:16which you are part of and we're meeting about right now, is advising council and staff for the city.

1:09:24So those are the two dividing.

1:09:26That way we can get more done that way.

1:09:29Yeah.

1:09:30Okay.

1:09:31And so for recommendation, the committee may make a motion that provides a recommendation

1:09:37to council and or staff.

1:09:40Next slide.

1:09:43For discussion is the committee will discuss a topic and provide the liaison with insights

1:09:50and possible direction.

1:09:52For example, topics reported in detail to the committee of council.

1:09:59And then when there is a required consultation or engagement because the AODA says that the

1:10:07city staff need to engage the committee, then that's a formal engagement and of the committee

1:10:14members on topics which are directly related to engagements required in the AODA.

1:10:21So you'll see those things there.

1:10:22And it's just to help guide committee members to understand where we should go.

1:10:28Where we should be going with the discussion.

1:10:30And you'll also get a report from the committee or from the staff person,

1:10:35as well as a PowerPoint that's usually only about three slides long.

1:10:40And those three slides will be a recap on the first one.

1:10:45And then the second one might give a bit more information.

1:10:49And then the third one gives recommended motions that the staff think would be good

1:10:55because it will help them move their project forward.

1:10:58But the AAC can write whatever motion they want.

1:11:01It doesn't have to be the staff one.

1:11:08Any questions on that at all?

1:11:12Good.

1:11:13All right.

1:11:14And like if questions come up at any point,

1:11:18Ayla and I are here to answer any questions.

1:11:21Yes.

1:11:23So just one more question.

1:11:27Okay.

1:11:28Next slide is good.

1:11:29As just to reiterate, you can always email the accessibility.ql.ca.

1:11:34So we're going to take a little bit of time now to get to know each other.

1:11:39There is no pressure to say much if you don't want to.

1:11:45We can always follow up later if you want to say more.

1:11:48But the question we have for all the members today is on the next slide.

1:11:53It's what is your area of interest in joining the committee?

1:11:58So maybe especially considering now that you have some more context for the work that we're here

1:12:03to do together, maybe something stood out to you, maybe you knew when you applied what your

1:12:08interest was.

1:12:09If everyone would like to, we can go around and share, focus with them with their hands up.

1:12:15So we have a sense of who's in the room and what you're bringing to the space.

1:12:19You're very grateful to have you here.

1:12:21So whoever would like to go first, feel free to raise your hand.

1:12:36Are you going to hand?

1:12:37Keep it on me.

1:12:38Thanks.

1:12:40No problem.

1:12:40I'll do it.

1:12:41My hand was already up anyway.

1:12:44So what Leanne just said regarding 2001, the very free education committee,

1:12:52I was actually on that meeting or on that board or committee back in 2001 with the lovely Betty

1:13:00Richard.

1:13:01And Leanne was actually part of that as well.

1:13:04So I took some hiatus off.

1:13:07I live with a disability.

1:13:10I have muscular dystrophy.

1:13:12Been a resident of Guelph for all my life.

1:13:16What area of interest I'm bringing to the committee is more recreational.

1:13:24I used to play wheelchair basketball and wheelchair rugby.

1:13:27And now I'm looking at bringing wheelchair bachi.

1:13:32I do a program in Guelph, but it's not through the city as of yet.

1:13:36So I'm looking at that as a particular interest for the committee.

1:13:43That is so wonderful.

1:13:44Thank you for sharing.

1:13:46Nice to meet you.

1:13:47You too.

1:13:48Thanks.

1:13:53Just so many interests for joining the committee.

1:13:57Would you like to speak next?

1:13:58Yeah.

1:13:59I'm Judy.

1:14:00And my area of interest is a lot.

1:14:04I want to be educated and I wanted to have exposure and also experience.

1:14:15I also have some experience with disabilities.

1:14:19And my area of interest is playing language for me is super.

1:14:24I really think all of us need to understand the language.

1:14:29Super.

1:14:30I really think all of us need to understand.

1:14:34A lot of us sometimes don't join committees because we're afraid we won't understand or we won't know what.

1:14:42But we have so much to offer, but we don't.

1:14:46We talk in a different kind of way.

1:14:48So I really that's my bit, one of my areas of interest.

1:14:54And of course, accessibility.

1:14:56I'm constantly before with Leanne, I would always take pictures and then I would send it to her and say,

1:15:02what do I do about that?

1:15:03And she's like, it's okay.

1:15:05We're working on it.

1:15:06So yeah, mostly accessibility is huge.

1:15:11And I want to learn about every differences and be open to a wide, wide, wide, wide open.

1:15:20I want to be.

1:15:21And that's it.

1:15:23Thanks, Judy.

1:15:24You love that.

1:15:24Thanks for being here.

1:15:26Thanks.

1:15:28Thanks.

1:15:29And moral come probably as I get more.

1:15:37Not of course.

1:15:38Yeah.

1:15:42And so if nobody else wants to go next, that's okay.

1:15:46We will have more members joining the committee at some point because we can have up to 11.

1:15:54And so, oh, I see your hand.

1:15:56I just get to finish.

1:15:57And so there will be more people coming on board at some point.

1:16:01And so we'll hear this and there will be another opportunity to share at that time as well when more members are on.

1:16:08And Jeanette, go ahead.

1:16:12Hi, I'm Jeanette.

1:16:13I've lived in Guelph since about 1996.

1:16:16I'm a returning member.

1:16:19For the majority of my career, I've worked for government, provincial, municipal, mostly in program development and policy and governance frameworks.

1:16:28I'm happy to meet the others.

1:16:31And, you know, I'm here to help help the city and identify, remove and prevent barriers.

1:16:40I want to keep learning.

1:16:42And my personal interest is invisible disabilities such as autism and ADHD.

1:16:51Thank you.

1:16:54Thank you so much.

1:16:58Good to have you back.

1:17:00Committee.

1:17:03Anybody else?

1:17:05And that's okay if you're not comfortable today.

1:17:07Like I say, there will be another opportunity later on, probably early fall type of thing.

1:17:12You'll have another opportunity to share at that point.

1:17:18Wait, that one.

1:17:20Sure, interesting.

1:17:26So tour of City Hall, that's me.

1:17:29Alrighty.

1:17:30So I mentioned when I was talking about the FADM, that facility accessibility design manual, that this building was built to that.

1:17:39This is the first full building that was built to that standard.

1:17:44And it's been updated since that time and things have been changed slightly in it for more space type of thing.

1:17:51Usually that's what happens.

1:17:53So with this one though, what we're looking at are pictures of council chambers.

1:17:58And we'll see that the ramp on the one side on the right side leads down from the gallery down to the position where someone would address council.

1:18:13And so it's a fully accessible ramp.

1:18:15And when I talked about the ramp not being more than 5%, like that one is a little bit under 5%.

1:18:22So you can see the slope of it and that it's fairly easy to be navigating.

1:18:31It's also at a good slope where a person using a manual wheelchair can also definitely be able to use that ramp.

1:18:42Even somebody pushing somebody using a manual chair, it's very easy to use because it isn't that steep.

1:18:48And then you'll see in the picture on the left is the mayor's position.

1:18:54And we're going to have another picture of the mayor's position in a minute.

1:18:58And we'll see what accessibility is like up in that area of the chamber as well.

1:19:05But back in the background, you can see that there's spaces within the seating where there are three accessibility spaces or a space where a wheelchair can be.

1:19:16And be out of the way of people passing by in the aisle way in front.

1:19:22And then of course the chairs and that type of thing are places where everybody can sit as well.

1:19:28So that's that.

1:19:30And I'll get you to go to the next slide.

1:19:33Great.

1:19:34And here we have another close-up of the podium where people would come down that ramp and then they would address the mayor's position.

1:19:43And then they would come down that ramp and then they would address council standing at that podium.

1:19:48And then right directly in front of that podium way on the other side is where the mayor would sit.

1:19:54And then the counsellors sit on each side of the mayor around a horseshoe.

1:19:59The picture on the right shows the back side of that where counsellors sit as well as where the mayor goes in to sit into his space.

1:20:08And you'll see that there's a ramp up because it's about six inches high from the floor where the counsellors sit to the where the mayor sits.

1:20:16And we run into that type of six inches requirement for like our provincial offenses court between where the clerk and the judge sit.

1:20:24There has to be six inches separate.

1:20:26And so we have that as well.

1:20:28We see that in council chambers as well where the mayor sits.

1:20:31And so we've ramped that up so and made the space large that a wheelchair or scooter could get up into that space.

1:20:38As well.

1:20:40And just a little horseshoe for a horseshoe is just typical to for council chambers.

1:20:47Yeah.

1:20:47So everybody is facing the audience.

1:20:51But then they're also together and can circle.

1:20:55Yeah.

1:20:55That's circle idea.

1:20:59So the same idea has happened over in the provincial offenses court as well.

1:21:04That the one courtroom has the judicial position where the judge sits is accessible as well as where the clerk sits is accessible.

1:21:12And there's an elevator to the floor that's just for the judge and staff.

1:21:20Somebody attending the court to defend themselves would be in a different elevator type of thing.

1:21:25So there's two elevators back in the provincial offenses court, which is the old city hall.

1:21:31So you can see that, you know, that facility accessibility design manual.

1:21:35It addresses a lot of things.

1:21:37And so that podium where a person would address council, it adjusts up and down.

1:21:42So it's the right height regardless of wheelchair height or somebody standing and can't bend over.

1:21:49Then it does rise up quite far than it accommodates as well.

1:21:53Yeah.

1:21:55Sure you can.

1:21:55I don't know.

1:21:56This is totally equivalent or not.

1:22:01But okay, the ramps, like they are very hard for people like me.

1:22:10Okay.

1:22:11I cannot go up them.

1:22:13And I certainly can't go down them.

1:22:16I need railings on both sides.

1:22:19Can I just give kitty back up one picture for your one slide?

1:22:23I mean, we got stairs in there.

1:22:26I can't take stairs.

1:22:28And so the ramp you need to railing over the sides.

1:22:30Yeah.

1:22:31There are railings on both sides on this ramp at the top there.

1:22:37Yeah.

1:22:37You see the work comes out and it works up?

1:22:40No.

1:22:42We could go and look at it in a few minutes.

1:22:44Okay.

1:22:45If there's no meeting, we'll go in and have a look at it.

1:22:47Okay.

1:22:48Yeah.

1:22:48So you can actually see it.

1:22:50But it is hard to see out the pictures.

1:22:53All right.

1:22:54No problem.

1:22:55No problem.

1:22:55Yeah.

1:22:56All good.

1:22:56Sometimes sorry just because I want to feel safe.

1:22:59And that's okay.

1:23:00Yeah.

1:23:00And that's okay.

1:23:01Yeah.

1:23:02Awesome.

1:23:03Okay.

1:23:04And next slide.

1:23:06Is that it?

1:23:06Oh, I think that's the last one.

1:23:08Does it?

1:23:09Yeah.

1:23:09Yeah, me maybe.

1:23:10I mean, that's what it is.

1:23:11There's any questions, concerns, and comments, introductions,

1:23:19anything at all that people want to share.

1:23:21We do have a bit of time still.

1:23:23Yeah.

1:23:24Well, we have each other.

1:23:31If you come in person to a meeting at City Hall,

1:23:34if you want to let us know, we can make sure we meet you at the front door.

1:23:38And by all means, it's fine to meet, to attend the meetings online,

1:23:42but we can meet you at the front door.

1:23:44We can show you where the fountain is, where the washroom is,

1:23:48and where the meeting room is, and all the important stuff on the way in.

1:23:51So don't feel it if you did decide to come to a meeting in person,

1:23:55that you would just be trying to navigate your way around a building that you don't know.

1:23:59I actually didn't know what I was doing.

1:24:01When I first came in, I went to the front, and they just told me to go to the security.

1:24:07And they said, do you know where you're going?

1:24:09So then I was getting on my email quickly.

1:24:12You'll probably find it faster than me.

1:24:14And then as soon as they found it, I found it.

1:24:16And then there was Leann, and she just took me straight.

1:24:20And I knew where the bathrooms were over there.

1:24:22Yeah.

1:24:23Yeah.

1:24:23Yeah.

1:24:24Yeah, I was really well.

1:24:26It was great.

1:24:27Gerard, be meet me at the door to help me walk.

1:24:31Hear it?

1:24:32Hear it, John.

1:24:33That's okay.

1:24:34That's okay.

1:24:34Yeah, sure.

1:24:35Yeah, no, that's okay.

1:24:36No.

1:24:36To help you each time?

1:24:38Yeah.

1:24:39Not each time necessarily, because he's not always available.

1:24:42Someone.

1:24:42No, someone.

1:24:43Someone will help.

1:24:44Yeah, but he's not.

1:24:45Is it for a mold of time, or is it in a different?

1:24:48It could be different, actually.

1:24:51We would anticipate, or our goal is to have it in the same room every time.

1:24:56That said, that's not always possible because of other concerns,

1:25:00but we will do our best to make it as single.

1:25:02It will be down this hallway, though.

1:25:04Either this room, the one beside it, or the one beside it.

1:25:06It was really like, wow, how fast that all happened for me, and I was like...

1:25:12So you can visualize the setup of all of these rooms along this hall is the same.

1:25:17So we'd have the screens, and everyone's sitting around the table,

1:25:21so we can all see each other.

1:25:22So it'd be very similar, even if it's not in this exact room.

1:25:25Yeah, it's awesome.

1:25:28Who are all those people?

1:25:31We have those in each one of the meeting rooms, and I'm not sure.

1:25:34There is a write-up there about the pictures.

1:25:37Yeah, there's an art piece on the wall that a question was asked about,

1:25:41who the people are.

1:25:42I'm not sure who they are.

1:25:47Any other questions at all?

1:25:48Great.

1:25:53Well, we also need to do the election of AAC chairs and vice chair today.

1:25:59We need to choose our AAC chairs and vice chairs.

1:26:02So I would like to invite any members to self-lominate yourself,

1:26:07or you can nominate any members to be the chairs first.

1:26:12You have to... Can you be a chair first?

1:26:15As a new person?

1:26:16Yes.

1:26:17Whoa.

1:26:18And we can support you on that 100%.

1:26:22Okay, anybody, whoever it is, anybody that is returning or a new member,

1:26:28we can support you to be a chair or vice chair.

1:26:31That's one of our roles.

1:26:34Okay, good to begin.

1:26:35Yeah.

1:26:37What is a first chair?

1:26:40What is the second chair?

1:26:41What's the difference, like I said?

1:26:43Yeah.

1:26:44Like a present.

1:26:45So the chair is the person who runs the meeting.

1:26:48Winnie ran the meeting today, so she chaired the meeting today.

1:26:52And the vice chair is if whoever the chair is,

1:26:55so say Winnie was the chair, she can't be because she's staff.

1:26:59But if she were, you know, will think that she's the chair,

1:27:03if I was the vice chair, that means if Winnie wasn't able to come to a meeting

1:27:08because she's on vacation or something,

1:27:10then I would step in for Winnie and chair.

1:27:15Yeah, so that's when the chair and the vice chair are.

1:27:20Yeah.

1:27:22Joanie, yeah.

1:27:24Would like to allow me to yours out, right?

1:27:29Yes, please.

1:27:30Sorry, I put up my hand, but I'd like to nominate myself.

1:27:34Thank you.

1:27:35I would nominate myself.

1:27:37For chair?

1:27:37Yeah.

1:27:38Yeah.

1:27:38Okay.

1:27:38Yeah.

1:27:39Our vice chair.

1:27:41Okay.

1:27:41Yeah.

1:27:42Well, go for chair first.

1:27:43Let's see.

1:27:44What would your lights do?

1:27:45Because so what we do now is because we have two nominations for chair,

1:27:49we would do a vote.

1:27:50But I would do vice chair.

1:27:52You want a new vice chair?

1:27:53Yeah.

1:27:53Okay.

1:27:54Now what does, okay, I'm sorry, that's okay.

1:27:58I have to repeat it again.

1:27:59No, that's okay.

1:28:00A chair is.

1:28:03Just a vote.

1:28:04I'm doing.

1:28:05Okay, so that's with the computer.

1:28:08No, just basically reading out the agenda,

1:28:12making sure people make their motions, getting the motion seconded.

1:28:17A chair helps the group navigate the agenda

1:28:21and go through it appropriately and like recognize members who want to speak.

1:28:27And they're really the facilitator of the meeting.

1:28:31I'll be the second chair.

1:28:35But I don't want to be the winning.

1:28:39I don't want to be winning.

1:28:40So the vice chair.

1:28:42Yeah.

1:28:42Okay.

1:28:42So what we'll do here is Giovanni is nominated themselves for chair.

1:28:48We have to do a vote to confirm that nomination.

1:28:51Okay.

1:28:53So we need Giovanni.

1:28:54I'm assuming you would move that motion.

1:28:58Well, I'm not going to like not move it.

1:29:00So yes, I will move that nominee.

1:29:02Thank you.

1:29:02I only asked that we can capture it in the in the minutes.

1:29:05I appreciate it.

1:29:06No problem.

1:29:08And then we would need somebody to second that motion, please.

1:29:11I would second it.

1:29:12Thank you.

1:29:12Julie, that ends the motion.

1:29:14So now the motion's on the floor.

1:29:15Now we vote for Giovanni.

1:29:17Giovanni, sorry to be chair.

1:29:18So we would ask does anyone opposed to Giovanni being chair?

1:29:24Okay.

1:29:25We're not seeing any opposed.

1:29:26So that motion carries.

1:29:28So Giovanni is now the chair of the accessibility advisory committee.

1:29:32Congratulations, Giovanni.

1:29:35Now, can I just point out the way that Garrett just ran all of that?

1:29:40That's the type of thing the chair will do with a motion that comes from the committee.

1:29:45So vice chairs would need to step in as chair.

1:29:48If the chair can't make it.

1:29:50Yeah, but it's like realistically, we don't know those people on the computer.

1:29:58They don't know us.

1:29:59So it's like, shouldn't we have time to get to know them before, you know, saying

1:30:09Giovanni can be president and, you know, Peggy Sue can be prime minister.

1:30:16So it's a good point, but the way the ACLC governance framework is outlined is we require

1:30:21a chair and a vice chair for the committee to operate.

1:30:24And we need it.

1:30:24So we need to, we highly recommend doing it now.

1:30:28We don't know all people.

1:30:31Maybe it'll help with Giovanni will be chair up until the end of everyone's term on the AC,

1:30:40which is November of 2026.

1:30:42So it's just over a year.

1:30:44And then we will go through a new process to appoint new members to the committee and

1:30:48elect a potential new chair at that point in time as well.

1:30:55And why is it November 2026?

1:30:58That's because that's when the provincial or the municipal election, sorry, takes place.

1:31:02And that's where reappointments are required.

1:31:04Yes. Yeah.

1:31:05Why all that happens.

1:31:06Okay.

1:31:07So now that we've completed our motion for chair, we'll move on to vice chair.

1:31:12We have two nominations for vice chair.

1:31:14So we actually have to vote for one or the other.

1:31:18Okay.

1:31:19You do call to see if there's anybody online as well there.

1:31:22Sorry. Yes.

1:31:22Correct.

1:31:23Is would anybody interested actually just be Carmen, would you be interested in being

1:31:29a vice chair as well?

1:31:36I would love to, but I also don't mind if any other people would like to be the vice chair as well.

1:31:43So I think we require you to say yes or no, unfortunately, just so we can go through the

1:31:48process of nominating.

1:31:51Okay.

1:31:51I'll say no.

1:31:52Thank you, Carmen.

1:31:53Okay.

1:31:55So now that we have two individuals nominated, we have to do votes.

1:31:59Okay.

1:32:01I'll let everybody know you can only vote for one person and we're going to go one at a time.

1:32:07We have a question.

1:32:08Are you allowed to vote for yourself or no?

1:32:09You can vote for yourself.

1:32:10Correct.

1:32:11You can vote for yourself.

1:32:12Correct.

1:32:12But you can only vote once and whoever has three or more votes will be the vice chair.

1:32:19And we actually go by alphabetical order of my last name.

1:32:23So I'm just looking over so I don't know what was last name on my heart.

1:32:27So, okay.

1:32:29So Judy, you're going to be first because your last name comes before.

1:32:33Jackie.

1:32:34Jackie's.

1:32:35Okay.

1:32:36So I would require a show of hands because you have to vote in favor of Judy being the vice chair.

1:32:46So Judy and Giovanni and Carmen, I'm just confirming I do not see your hands.

1:32:54Correct.

1:32:55Oh, I see a hand for Carmen.

1:33:02Okay.

1:33:04And then we would do a vote now for Jackie.

1:33:08Giovanni, I'm assuming you're voting for Jackie then.

1:33:11I guess hand was off working, right?

1:33:17Giovanni, can I confirm that that hand raises for Jackie, please?

1:33:21Sorry.

1:33:22Yes, it is for Jackie.

1:33:24Okay.

1:33:24And then Jackie, you voted for yourself as well.

1:33:27Okay.

1:33:27So we have a tie, which is unique.

1:33:32What we do in this scenario is we would vote again.

1:33:37And let me just pull up the policy real quickly.

1:33:39But maybe when you can facilitate a secondary vote just to see.

1:33:45We need to vote again.

1:33:47That so we have two candidates.

1:33:52One is Judy and one is Jackie.

1:33:55So according to the surname that we will go for Judy first.

1:33:58Okay.

1:33:59So now I would like to ask members to raise your hand if you vote for Judy.

1:34:12Thank you, Carmen.

1:34:13I see your hand and Giovanni, I see your hand too.

1:34:16So Judy got three votes.

1:34:21So now it's for Jackie.

1:34:25So I would like to jump in because Judy received three.

1:34:30Yeah, that's why she's appointed as vice chair.

1:34:33Okay.

1:34:34So I would like to add that.

1:34:38I would like to say is that that Julie being elected as a vice chair of the accessibility advisory

1:34:46committee for term ending in November, 2026 or until a successor is appointed.

1:34:52Thank you.

1:34:57So when does Giovanni begin as chair?

1:35:00We'll start that at the next meeting and Judy and Giovanni will connect with you

1:35:06in the coming days to help align some of the information and support you moving forward.

1:35:11But next meeting you could prepare to be the chair.

1:35:14Okay.

1:35:16Perfect.

1:35:16Thank you.

1:35:19So for the last item would be the adjournment of the meeting.

1:35:23So I would like to ask someone to move this adjournment of meeting.

1:35:29Anyone to move?

1:35:32Thank you.

1:35:33Is it Janet?

1:35:33Sorry.

1:35:38Thank you very much.

1:35:38Thank you.

1:35:39And anyone to second?

1:35:43Anyone second is German?

1:35:47Yeah.

1:35:48Thank you very much, Judy.

1:35:50Is it anyone against adjournment meeting?

1:35:56Okay.

1:35:56That's Carrie.

1:35:57Thank you very much.

1:35:58So our next meeting will be on the 15th of July.

1:36:04So this is the end of the meeting.

1:36:06Thank you very much for participating.

1:36:09Thank you.

1:36:10Thanks, everyone.

1:36:11Thank you.

1:36:12Thanks, everyone.

1:36:13Have a great afternoon.

1:36:14Bye.

1:36:15Thank you.

1:36:16Have a good day.

1:36:17Do things.