Planning, Environment and Water Advisory Committee

0:03In terms of wealth, we have a CPV bylaw in effect in the Stone Edinburgh area.

0:10It was approved by council back in April.

0:13We're currently looking at one for downtown.

0:16The maps up there includes a little bit of the war,

0:20so it's not just the downtown core,

0:22it's a little bit of periphery as well.

0:24All right. Next slide, please.

0:28In terms of where we are with our downtown CPVS journey,

0:33we're at very, very late in phase three on this diagram.

0:36We're actively working on creating a draft bylaw,

0:41and we're getting ready for a public release of that bylaw.

0:47Then we'll go back out to the community,

0:52do some open houses,

0:54do some thick old-in-holding scripts before we go to

0:56council in December.

0:59We're hopeful that we'll have a CPV bylaw and a financial analysis

1:03that supports some of our assumptions,

1:05hopefully less than a week.

1:09All right. Next slide, please.

1:12The CPVS, we're getting into

1:16some very wonky development review process up here.

1:22Really, what a CPVS is,

1:24is it takes a bunch of different processes that currently exist

1:28that developers have to go through when they're trying to

1:32develop a property and combines them into one.

1:36The relevant ones here are the Zoni bylaw amendment process,

1:40the minor variance process,

1:42and the site plan application process.

1:45The idea is that both the Zoni bylaw amendment process and the minor variance,

1:50those are how you get exemptions to the Zoni bylaw.

1:54If you don't strictly comply with some of those development standards,

1:57you can go to council and get a Zoni bylaw amendment if it's fairly large.

2:00They can approve a site-specific exemption for your site.

2:04Or if it's relatively minor,

2:06you can go to the community of adjustment and get a minor variance.

2:09But in both of those cases,

2:11that's how we can grant flexibility within our current system,

2:14but it does require public hearings.

2:17Site plan application is a staff-driven process

2:21where you're negotiating working with staff on how a large-scale site,

2:26and this would be for larger-scale things,

2:29not like a house or a shed or a span of that,

2:31it's something that's five-story, it's 10-presidential units, so fairly large.

2:36How it actually impacts the public realm,

2:39where your mentees face it,

2:40so that's more of a collaborative interim process with staff.

2:44CBBS takes all of them and puts them into one process,

2:47so you're actually applying, you're making one application,

2:50so that's three discrete applications.

2:55It's supposed to streamline this

2:58because you're making fewer applications,

2:59and staff have more ability to make adjustments.

3:04The other big thing it does is,

3:06it actually allows us to exchange additional height or density

3:10for community benefits.

3:12I'll give some examples of what we did in San Enebro,

3:16which illustrates what we're thinking about now,

3:20but in effect, right now,

3:22if someone wants to build a much taller building that's permitted,

3:25they go through council,

3:27but there's no sort of...

3:29We don't have the ability to invest in community benefits

3:32like affordable housing, additional power plant.

3:34Through the CBBS process, we can't.

3:39We can actually set very specific targets and requirements

3:44that if you want additional height or density,

3:46you have to give us a certain community good,

3:48and here's what it is.

3:51Next slide, please.

3:55So, let's talk a little bit about that streamline

3:58and how it actually works.

4:00So this is a little diagram showing the existing system.

4:04If you were building this or a common building downtown,

4:08so generally, you would apply,

4:10and you have to go through that zoning bylaw process

4:14because chances are you're not going to be the zoning bylaw

4:18standards, you'll need some sort of relief.

4:20Could be height, could be open space requirements,

4:24it could be setbacks, it could be stepbacks.

4:27There's all sorts of things.

4:29You're probably going to need one.

4:30We're probably going to go to council

4:31for some sort of site-specific thing.

4:33Generally, what happens is that happens first

4:36because developers want to make sure

4:37they have those entitlements in hand

4:39that they can actually build what they want

4:42before they invest more money in developing plans

4:44and renderings and elevations.

4:47So we have the zoning bylaw amendment

4:48and the minor variance processes front-loaded

4:51because generally, you'll go through those processes first.

4:55Once you actually have that done,

4:57then you apply for site plan and think about

4:59how some of that site is being old-oriented

5:01and thought about to react to the public realm.

5:05So it's kind of, and one of the challenges

5:08is when developers have those entitlements,

5:11they don't want to change them

5:12because they've already went through the process

5:14to get those variations for their site.

5:17They're not inclined to make those changes.

5:21And then once you have,

5:22you're zoning bylaw amendment and your site plan approval,

5:25then you can actually get a building permit.

5:27Then you can show that in the structure of the stable,

5:29then you build.

5:30So it's, you have a lot of different processes

5:33that run end-to-end.

5:35Next slide, please.

5:38Under the CPBS, we're kind of flattening that a little bit

5:42where you make one submission

5:44just for a community planning permit

5:46and we can look at those modifications to the bylaw

5:50as well as site plan at once.

5:52And staff have a lot more discretion

5:55granting variations,

5:57whereas now you need counsel or community of adjustment.

6:01Should note that this only affects those planning processes

6:05that did like other agency permits.

6:08We have a conservation authority,

6:10very relevant downtown,

6:11price of the River's,

6:13administrative transportation,

6:14those are not effective

6:15and you don't think they would go through

6:17with the process separately.

6:21Next slide, please.

6:25So one of the big things that we're able to do here

6:31is we can introduce discretionary uses and variations

6:35that staff can approve.

6:36So again, with the Zoni bylaw,

6:38very rigid,

6:39it sets out what you can do,

6:41what your setbacks are,

6:43very specific,

6:45and if you don't need it,

6:47we'll send you a counsel, send you into CBA

6:49and that includes uses.

6:52With the CD bylaw,

6:53we can also introduce what are called discretionary uses,

6:55that are not,

6:56so they're a form of permitted use,

6:59but they're not a use that we want to just say,

7:01you can just do it without any sort of,

7:05conditions attached to it.

7:07So we can introduce discretionary use where we can say,

7:10in some cases,

7:11maybe a retail use in a residential district is appropriate

7:16and we'll put conditions on that

7:17and staff can review,

7:19as you review that and approve that,

7:22if it's appropriate,

7:24whereas right now we will send you to counsel

7:27to get a Zoni bylaw member

7:28to allow retail use in that size specific case.

7:32We can also introduce these variations

7:34to develop standards that give a little bit more flex,

7:37so that can be a percentage

7:39or that can just be on a case by case basis.

7:43And as some examples of how that actually looks like

7:46in our draft,

7:48in next couple of slides.

7:50All right, next slide please.

7:55In terms of how we actually organize it in the bylaw,

8:00Stone and Ederboro use this class tier

8:02and downtown is also gonna use this class tier.

8:06So class one and class three,

8:09would are familiar,

8:11if you go through the development process now,

8:13class one, you just meet the bylaw,

8:15you only need a variation and we can approve it.

8:17That's possible now.

8:21Class three is you're beyond the variations

8:23and we'll send you to counsel,

8:24so that's also kind of the reality.

8:27But class two is this kind of middle ground

8:30where staff have a little bit more discretion

8:32to approve things that don't strictly comply.

8:34And that is what is new that we're introducing here.

8:38So it generally meets the intent of the bylaw,

8:40but it is within some,

8:43it's within that variation threshold

8:46that we've established.

8:48And next slide,

8:50give you an example of what that actually looks like.

8:52So this is taken from our draft downtown bylaw

8:55that we're actively working on.

8:57So this is an example in our downtown too,

9:00we precinct that we're thinking out downtown,

9:03we're gonna have a base standard.

9:05So in this case, you have law furniture,

9:07how wide your law has to be.

9:09The bylaw says it has to be 12 meters.

9:12But within that class two,

9:15that discretionary one,

9:16we can actually review and approve,

9:21a variation has to be 20%.

9:22So we can approve a law furniture that's 9.6 meters.

9:25Whereas right now, if you have 11 and a half meter wide lot,

9:30we have to city for variants and additional process here,

9:33we can actually approve that as long as it's appropriate

9:38administratively as part of that CPP application.

9:42So that's where we're starting to see that streamline

9:44that efficiency where we're sending fewer things to council.

9:49So that's an example of what we get,

9:50as you said, numeric threshold.

9:52The other one is we're using floor space index here,

9:57have to have a 1.5, central Elizabeth Street where it can be one.

10:00This one, we didn't set a specific threshold of 30% or 40%.

10:07It's really stuck in review on a case-by-case basis.

10:11And there is no ceiling to what we can approve

10:14as long as it makes sense.

10:16Well, can you explain so we understand the example

10:19what floor space index is?

10:21So it's the ratio of how much floor space you have in the building

10:26to the lot size.

10:31So in this case, it's a density control.

10:34So you can directly build a larger building

10:38or a floor space relative to your lot size.

10:41The staff can approve you and approve that

10:43without sending you to council.

10:47All right, next slide, please.

10:50So we're talking a lot about variations in the streamline.

10:53The other big thing is that community benefits.

10:56So we can ask for community benefits

10:59if you are getting additional

11:02higher density for residential development.

11:04We can ask for community benefits.

11:07So again, you were saying this class system,

11:09class one for a building that is five-story,

11:13is equal to a greater than five-story,

11:15or equal to a greater than 10 residential units.

11:19But otherwise, you know,

11:20asking for any additional higher density

11:23will assess a complete community charge,

11:254% of the land value, and not the go.

11:29Class two, if you are getting some additional height,

11:34but you're not exceeding the max that we've imposed,

11:39we can, staff can review and approve that,

11:42but only if you provide 33% of the additional units

11:46you're getting in your additional height

11:48have to be affordable.

11:49And the next slide will actually define

11:51what we need when we say affordable.

11:53Class three, if you want to build even higher

11:56than the BioLUSS, what staff can approve,

11:59we can send you to council.

12:01But the big difference now,

12:04from now where you still do that,

12:06is you have to provide additional community benefit.

12:09We're using the term facility service matters on the screen,

12:12but I'm using community benefits as interchangeable.

12:17So you still have to give us 33%

12:18of those additional units have to be affordable,

12:21and you have to provide an additional benefit

12:23that you're going to negotiate.

12:25So that enables us to really make sure

12:27that we're getting community benefits back

12:30when we're seeing large field developments in this area.

12:35All right, next slide.

12:37And just defining our term when we say affordable,

12:40it's actually determined by the province,

12:41Asia Bolton every year.

12:43This one is the most recent one from July.

12:45So in order to be affordable,

12:48the house, town, home, condo,

12:50if it's elsewhere, $407,100 or less, that is affordable.

12:55So we're not talking about deep affordability.

12:57So, and there's a range of friends based on the size.

13:03So this is one of the tools we're looking at

13:06when we talk about facilitating affordable housing,

13:09but it's not the only one where that it is

13:12not really getting to that deep affordable

13:15for people with very low income,

13:16but it's something that we're confident

13:19that the market can provide as part of this exchange

13:23of benefits.

13:25Next slide, please.

13:27All right, and now we're just going to talk about,

13:29we're talking a lot about what a CPBS is.

13:33We're going to talk a little bit about

13:34what we think came out downtown.

13:36So next slide.

13:38So in terms of actually putting together this bylaw,

13:42we already have one that's in effect in Statenburg.

13:45So we are actually combined,

13:48we are taking the new downtown provisions

13:50and putting it in.

13:51So instead of having two bylaws, two CPB bylaws,

13:54the Anasote bylaw, we'll have one CPB bylaw

13:57that will apply to each area, one document.

14:03So a lot, because there's a lot of similarities

14:05between them in terms of like the administration,

14:08the interpretation, the community benefits

14:11we're asking for in Statenburg and downtown will be different

14:15and how we define what a constitutional height

14:18will be different.

14:20And generally, it's, we're making some changes

14:25to the organization of the CPB bylaw,

14:29but in general, we already have a functioning bylaw

14:33that we can spend a lot of money on.

14:34So that actually applies to downtown

14:36with some changes specific to downtown

14:38as being the next slide, please.

14:42For community benefits, Statenburg only focus

14:46on affordable housing.

14:47We've been looking at expanding a little bit.

14:51So we're interested in rebuilding standards a little bit,

14:54see if there's a different parking land

14:55beyond the second 42,000 requirements

14:58and historic preservation.

15:01We still have those class three applications

15:04and we can ask for more

15:06and that could be a longer list of things.

15:07Like a transit stop, CPB, community benefit,

15:11class three, if council wants to accept it.

15:16And we're doing a financial analysis

15:18to support what we're asking for

15:20because we have to show that there's a relationship

15:22between additional height and density we're granting

15:25and the community benefit we're taking.

15:27And our financial analysis shows that there is

15:31a lot of potential for community benefits downtown

15:33based on the land values

15:37and the finances as buildings go up.

15:40All right, next slide.

15:44This is showing OBU 106,

15:46official land amendment 106,

15:48went into effect in April.

15:52It greatly increases the heights downtown.

15:55So in a lot of cases,

15:59nice and high downtown, it's like four to six

16:02that now we're seeing ranges up to 24

16:04with a lot of high in South and Rio tracks,

16:07like 20 to 24 stories.

16:12We're not gonna do proof staff.

16:15Staff aren't going to approve any sort of,

16:17any heights above OBU 106,

16:19so it'd be 24 stories or 18 stories on your site.

16:22That's the maximum staff will approve.

16:26So we're implementing this.

16:27So we do have a bit of a cap

16:29when we talk about the additional height or density

16:31we're granting is that we're gonna stick with

16:34what's council already approved in spring

16:36and we're not going to do any of that bonusing

16:40above what was already approved.

16:42They can go to council and request it separately,

16:44but that's a different kind of process.

16:48Next slide, please.

16:50This is just showing the difference

16:53between what was previously approved

16:54and why council approved that in April

16:56in terms of your max site,

16:57but dark orange being a big change

17:00and the lighter color being no change

17:03to some cases as you reduction.

17:06And what we're talking about additional height or density,

17:09we're using this to show anything that's,

17:13that has a value on here,

17:14we're considering that additional height or density.

17:18And we're still trying to figure out exactly

17:20where that threshold,

17:22where that threshold buys.

17:24Well, we're gonna start asking for affordable housing.

17:27They say additional height

17:28that you could receive back in April.

17:31Next slide, please.

17:33And I think that's my last slide.

17:34This is just showing our draft precincts.

17:37We use precincts instead of zones,

17:39but they function in the same way.

17:42In our first pass,

17:42we're basically taking the existing zoning map

17:45and flattening it a little bit

17:47because there's a lot more zones and precincts

17:49and bringing it forward.

17:50So in terms of like the land permission to the density,

17:53in our first pass, they aren't two different.

17:56That's the only thing that we know is going to change

17:59if we figure that public.

18:01We're gonna talk to developers.

18:04But this is currently our draft.

18:07And we're caring for the site-specific provisions.

18:10That's why there's like a T126 or a T13.

18:13Those are the things that already went through

18:14the zoning file on amendment process

18:16and have site-specific provisions.

18:18Well, that's right forward.

18:20All right.

18:21And the next slide is just a thank you slide.

18:24All right, that's all I have.

18:26Any questions?

18:29Thanks, Will.

18:30Any questions?

18:31Will.

18:32Sure.

18:33At the very beginning,

18:34you introduced the presentation with a note saying,

18:37this is not a new tool,

18:39but it is new to municipalities on Ontario.

18:42Is that right?

18:43So,

18:45I'm curious of where it was being used previously.

18:47Yeah.

18:48So in like 2005,

18:50the Promise Credit,

18:51the development permit system,

18:54that's the precursor of this that had some uptake,

18:57but it was pretty limited like Huntsville,

19:00Innisfil,

19:02Lake of Bays uses,

19:03so you see a lot of these in the college country.

19:06I have them.

19:07And in 2018,

19:10the province updated it

19:11to the community planning permit system.

19:14So it's been around for a little while.

19:16So you have kind of the streamlined one application.

19:19Okay.

19:20So it's not that it came from another province?

19:22No.

19:23Okay.

19:24Here's what you saw elsewhere.

19:25No, no.

19:26I don't think so.

19:27I think,

19:28I mean, we're all across the country

19:30we're starting with the same things,

19:32but I don't think any other province has a specific tool

19:34that's the same framework.

19:38It's been limited uptake on it,

19:39because maybe maybe for the reasons we saw

19:42this presentation,

19:43it's difficult to explain,

19:45which is often independent.

19:50I can follow up on that.

19:51I think it's a great job explaining it.

19:55It sounds like,

19:56if I follow up correctly,

19:58a process that results in similar outcomes

20:01with some extra potential for community benefits

20:04with fewer visits to council,

20:08from your team's perspective,

20:09are there disadvantages to the play

20:13from shifting to the system?

20:15I think one of the challenges we'll have

20:18is implementation

20:20and making sure that we can review something

20:23within 45 days.

20:26I think I skipped over that,

20:27but one of the requirements in the legislation

20:31is that once we receive a complete application,

20:33we have to render a decision within 45 days.

20:36And that is going to be a challenge of understanding

20:39how we do that,

20:39how we set up our,

20:42how we leverage our existing system

20:45as our,

20:45the construction meetings are pre-submission

20:47to be exact,

20:48and before we make an application,

20:50making sure that that staff can review

20:54and send comments

20:56further than that truncated tonight.

20:59Hi, David,

21:00who's on our consultant team.

21:02I jumped up screen if you want to jump in

21:06on this question on the last one.

21:09Hi everyone, I'm David Riley from SGL Planning,

21:11just part of the consulting team.

21:14Thanks, Will, great presentation.

21:16And yeah, I mean,

21:18I think that implementation is probably the,

21:22and the learning curve of jumping into a new system

21:25is probably the biggest challenge,

21:27but I would say that it's not really a disadvantage.

21:32It's just something new,

21:33like anything new,

21:33it takes some time to get used to,

21:35but the other communities that have implemented

21:40community planning permit systems have noticed

21:44some efficiencies,

21:45I would say.

21:48That includes in Isville, Huntsville, Lake of Bays,

21:52but underway right now,

21:54just to elaborate on what Will had said,

21:58WALF of course has the,

22:00well, actually I can't say the second most recently

22:03implemented CPP bylaw in Stone Enboro,

22:06because Inisfil actually just expanded theirs to Alcona,

22:09which is their main settlement area,

22:12but there's also Peterborough and Inisfil,

22:16which are moving to a townwide.

22:17Closest to you, there's Waterloo,

22:19they're doing a CPP bylaw for their Herb Street corridor

22:22and Uptown Waterloo.

22:25And then there's Burlington, Oakville, Ottawa,

22:30Brampton, Brant County,

22:32that are all underway right now,

22:34as well as one in Caledon.

22:36And then some that are coming soon to watch out for

22:40include Fort Erie, Berry, Soggy and Shores.

22:43So recently with the push for more housing,

22:48the legislative changes,

22:50the changes to what we can and can't control

22:52through site plan approval,

22:54this has kind of propelled,

22:55and of course the community benefits.

22:57These are the things that have propelled

22:58many of these communities to explore this tool.

23:02And that includes WALF.

23:05So it's exciting to see communities implemented.

23:15Let's go.

23:17You mentioned community benefits

23:19and being able to sort of negotiate

23:22that kind of negotiate that.

23:23I was wondering if there's anything going to be the place

23:26for one, measuring if these benefits

23:31end up actually being beneficial to the community,

23:33like how they're implemented,

23:35and then two, like actually enforcing them

23:38so that like for example, the informal housing,

23:40so that it stays affordable.

23:44So for the additional community benefits

23:46that you're kind of negotiating,

23:49usually they are visible in nature,

23:55so they're not going to be as,

23:58you'll be able to measure like you did it.

24:00So if you do a public art,

24:01that you actually install the installation,

24:04and maintain it, or if you're doing,

24:07if you're providing community space,

24:09or donating our plant, then.

24:14So I think most of them are tangible

24:16that we'd be able to actually like see

24:18and make sure you guys should did it before we released it.

24:23I'm not even thinking on David on this one,

24:24but the affordable housing, there's a 25 year,

24:28like be scary where you have to maintain it.

24:31Am I making that up David?

24:35No, and these are things that would be registered on title,

24:39and you'd secure it through an agreement

24:41similar to a site plan agreement

24:43through the site planning process.

24:45So there are legal mechanisms

24:47that you would utilize

24:52to implement these permit applications

24:55that have community benefits associated with them.

25:00Yes, sir.

25:01I think David hinted at this,

25:04but I know with some pretty recent changes,

25:06we've seen a lot of kind of reductions

25:09in how much community benefits through rezoning by law,

25:12et cetera, we're able to ask for, say,

25:14with inclusionary zoning, things like that.

25:17So does this give us more of a way to ask

25:19for those community benefits

25:21than we're allowed to do now,

25:23kind of under the other frameworks?

25:25Yeah, yeah, exclusionary zoning,

25:28for those of you who aren't familiar with it,

25:30we actually set up to an even percentage of review

25:33that has to be affordable.

25:35That's, there's been a lot of changes,

25:37the one thing we can ask for is 5% now,

25:39of the total units that we've only implemented

25:42in major transit areas.

25:44So wealth that's downtown.

25:46So we cannot implement inclusionary zoning

25:49anywhere about downtown right now,

25:51but we can ask for affordable housing

25:55through CPB by-law regardless of where it is,

25:58because we're trading high-density,

26:01so we're giving something back to the applicant.

26:05So, and I know there's been changes to the,

26:08there used to be like density bond,

26:09I think that's kind of been carved away.

26:11So the CBBS is a way for us to do some of these things,

26:16that are happy limited in the last few years,

26:19and we did provincial changes.

26:23And we can ask, and as evidence by,

26:26it's done everywhere, we're asking for 30%,

26:28which is much more than five,

26:29although it is only on a portion of not the entire,

26:32but it does allow us to do ask for more,

26:35or ask for different things as appropriate.

26:40I think Claire saw online, she has a question.

26:44Yeah, I was wondering.

26:45So I'm assuming that Stone and Edinburgh

26:50and the downtown area were chosen

26:51because those were areas where you wanna increase the density,

26:56but why limit it to just those zones and not like a citywide?

27:05Oh, yeah, that's the right way of really doing too.

27:09Right now it's a pilot project.

27:11So this is part of our housing accelerator fund project.

27:14So we have, which the federal government

27:16have received a lot of money,

27:19not just for this, but for a bunch of different initiatives.

27:23So we're just trying to pilot projects.

27:25These are what are called secondary growth areas

27:28in our official plan.

27:30So these are areas that we've already identified

27:32as having potential for more growth

27:34due to possibly to transit existing amenities

27:37and existing infrastructure like water and sewer

27:41that can support additional density.

27:43So that's why we chose those two.

27:46And I think in terms of why they would do the whole city,

27:51I think we just, we don't wanna take off more,

27:54why not more if we can share with you.

27:56Even these two areas has been a fairly large undertaking

28:00because it is a much more zone by law,

28:02but there are enough changes and nuance

28:05that it would make it hard.

28:06Although we are seeing other places going to citywide.

28:10So it's something that is possible

28:12in the framework that we're setting up

28:14with the city by law, if you wanna go that direction.

28:18It's a good question though.

28:20Gabb.

28:21Yeah, just wondering for the community benefits,

28:24obviously you touched on a couple of different

28:26kind of examples or categories.

28:28Is there consideration in the plan for how those potential,

28:33let's call them categories of community benefit

28:35are gonna be balanced across the general area?

28:39Because obviously I can think from a developer's perspective,

28:42some of those community benefits

28:43might be more appealing to them to initiate

28:46or to enact than others.

28:49To use the example of like public art

28:52for an increased variance for density,

28:54we have multiple developers approaching with,

28:57the proposal to incorporate public art space,

29:01but we're not seeing potentially maybe

29:03an increase in affordable housing.

29:05Is there a thought on how that could be managed

29:08or balanced through the process?

29:09Yeah, but good question.

29:12So with how we're setting up the bylaw,

29:14affordable housing is required.

29:16Right.

29:17So if you were to opt out of it,

29:20you would have to go through council.

29:22So we're trying to leverage process

29:24by making it so you can get additional higher density,

29:29but don't have to go to council, staff can approve that.

29:31So affordable housing is one that we're foregrounding

29:35at being kind of like the basis.

29:38So for those class three where you want to go really big

29:41beyond what OPA 106 permits,

29:48it'll be more on a site by site basis.

29:50Basically developers are going to come and say,

29:53here's how much money I'm making off of this

29:55and here's how I want to do this

29:57and staff and council are going to negotiate with them.

30:00And the oldest is on developer to demonstrate

30:05that it's feasible, that it's fair, that it works

30:07and we have council public process to check it.

30:14So staff are going to be approving those other things.

30:17So right now, if you really don't want to control

30:23housing as developer and you're within those high taxes,

30:28you can request to do it in kind,

30:31but we'll send you to council and you'll have to

30:33do the negotiation.

30:34So there's that level of uncertainty around

30:37how you should document and quantify it.

30:41And also, do you want to negotiate with staff

30:45or do you want to negotiate?

30:46Or do you want to do what's already said,

30:48there's no negotiation for housing,

30:50it's 30% and if you either need it

30:53or you give us cash in lieu, that's it.

30:55Or negotiate with the council

30:57and usually the certainty developers love certainty.

31:00So hopefully that will take a lot of time

31:03to do the affordable housing,

31:04especially if it's 400,000 or 7,000.

31:08We're not asking for a two to three affordable,

31:11maybe then they have to subsidize it.

31:13So we're not seeing a lot of,

31:15but for financial analysis,

31:17this is feasible for most developments.

31:26Yes, right.

31:27Can you explain again the affirmation of the bylaw

31:32in the downtown Cores or Blitz to building height?

31:35There's heights that have been approved by council,

31:37but yet you're not going to go beyond that.

31:39So I was about to clear on what the role of the bylaw is

31:41in that case.

31:43So we're doing something different downtown

31:46and this isn't specific to the CPV bylaw,

31:48this is the reality of the fact

31:52that we're implementing this after the heights were changed.

31:55The heights will be independent of the individual precincts,

31:59which is not the case usually in wealth wear in your zone.

32:03The chance of your height is so if you're in a RL4,

32:07you have four stories and that doesn't matter where you are.

32:09And here it's, you have a different height schedule.

32:14So the CPV bylaw will actually enable people

32:18to come in and apply for it.

32:19So right now the official plan has those heights,

32:23but the zoning bylaw doesn't.

32:25So if you wanted to come in and build a 24

32:30under the heights,

32:32but the current zoning bylaw only says four,

32:35you would have to go through a zoning bylaw

32:37and process.

32:38So we're enabling people to actually build up to those

32:41to their development regulations

32:42because the zoning bylaw hasn't been updated

32:45that we're wanting to repeal it and replace it with this.

32:51A lot of the conversation around community benefit

32:54and I just, at what point does the community get involved

32:58in that decision point?

33:00Yeah, so with the CBPS,

33:03a lot of the public consultation is front loaded.

33:05So that's what we're trying to do now

33:07and I wanna make sure that we're going out

33:09and that list makes sense,

33:11that we're hitting the things that are important,

33:14that affordable housing is the thing

33:15that we really should be prioritizing.

33:18And then in terms of the broader things,

33:22if someone really wants to go beyond,

33:25there'd be a public hearing in front of council

33:27and which the public could delegate just like now

33:30and say there'd be, say,

33:32no, this public benefit doesn't make any sense

33:36or they should be doing something else.

33:41But with the affordable housing that staff approved,

33:43that's more front loaded what we're doing

33:45in the next couple of months

33:46and going through council

33:48and while we're developing the bylaw before we've adopted.

33:54Around the affordable housing community benefit side,

33:57like you've given us some data in terms of how it's defined

34:00for different 10 years,

34:03but how fixed is that, how often is it reviewed

34:06and what's the basis for the numbers that you apply to this?

34:09Yeah, so we're using the provincial bulletin

34:13of the development charges.

34:16I think I gave a bulletin for any disability

34:19that says this is what the affordable is.

34:21They're actually defined in this review annually.

34:24So numbers I provided are for the most reason

34:26I've been in July.

34:29And their definition of affordable is

34:33they're taking the average income

34:37which is approximately $100,000 and 12th

34:40and they're looking at

34:41and their definition is no more than 30%.

34:46They're not spending more than 30% of their gross on housing.

34:49So that's how they're running in that 407.

34:54But we'll get an update,

34:55we'll get an update of bulletin every year.

34:57So that number will change over time

34:59as the bulletin is updated.

35:06I'll move further questions.

35:09I'm seeing any, so thank you.

35:11Well, your presentation very important.

35:14It's a complicated space in the planning world

35:16that I have against the great presentations.

35:19But thank you.

35:20There'll be more open houses, council hearings,

35:24a lot more work to do on this.

35:28Thank you.

35:31I guess we don't want to move.

35:33You can move a receipt, but it's not required.

35:36Okay.

35:36We'll need any more motions if we don't really need it.

35:39We'll be right along.

35:41Presentation on the water

35:43and wastewater capacity allocation policy from Wayne.

35:53Thanks for the opportunity to speak to this.

35:55Yes, I'm the division manager of water services,

35:57but I'm also the project manager for this work.

36:00So Will, Lucas, others on the call here

36:04have been contributing a great detail.

36:06I'm happy to share with you phase two of this

36:09and the management tonight.

36:11Next slide, please.

36:15So just some background on the water

36:17and wastewater allocation policy development.

36:21All this work is being essentially,

36:24the spearhead for this work, Bill 185,

36:26the province released Q2 of last year,

36:30which introduced essentially changes to the municipal act

36:33to allow municipalities to create allocation bylaws.

36:38At the time, user or lizard was a term

36:40that gained a lot of attention.

36:42User or lizard provisions specifically have to do

36:45with approvals for capacity allocation.

36:47So again, a defined term by which that capacity

36:52would be guaranteed and the expectation that you move ahead

36:54from what is a planning application,

36:56the construction of the bill form

36:58that we're talking to in this case.

37:01And essentially the lizard part of it would be

37:04if you're surpassing that defined term,

37:06if you're-

37:07We're not assuming that you have some remorse.

37:10There would be the potential for the city

37:12to essentially bridgeway in that

37:15and position against more shovel ready developments.

37:18And again, all this was in the theme of more housing quicker

37:22in building on Will's presentation.

37:26Sorry, back one more.

37:28Just one more point was noting that again,

37:32user or lizard or capacity allocation bylaws

37:35that were passed by councils under the bill 185,

37:37or under the theme of bill 185 were not appealable.

37:41So council was making a decision

37:44related to capacity allocation.

37:45This couldn't go on to planning tribunals

37:48and things of that nature.

37:50Next slide, please.

37:54So again, within the city of Guelph,

37:56commonly we're talking to our limitations

37:59as far as being groundwater based.

38:03We have permitted capacity,

38:05both within permissivitate water on the water side

38:07and CNAs on the wastewater side

38:09that talk to the amount of water we can treat

38:11and distribute as well as wastewater

38:13which we can treat and then discharge

38:16to local receiving bodies.

38:19All of that is finite as we can appreciate.

38:22We are in accordance with the respective master plan plans,

38:25both the water supply master plan,

38:27wastewater treatment and biosolids master plan,

38:30pursuing expansions on both sides of the ledger at this time.

38:35However, with the capacity we have

38:38before we're able to essentially construct

38:40that next new treatment plant,

38:42it's important that we're using the capacity

38:44that we have wisely.

38:46And this is just another tool and toolbox.

38:50At this time, we don't have a formal water

38:52and wastewater capacity allocation by law.

38:54I started my career in Hulton region

38:56where again, there was a significant mad development there

38:59and perhaps some of these discussions

39:01when there was competition between parties

39:04for what was the remaining capacity available

39:07until we were able to get expansion within the system.

39:09So I think the city's an advantageous point

39:12of having this before that point of scarcity

39:14and scarcity and conflict obviously.

39:18I guess this work itself,

39:21we want to ensure without having a bylaw

39:22that our process are clear that people understand

39:24that we're sitting in water and wastewater allocation

39:28for development and the city of love

39:30to understand the process for that to be transparent.

39:34Something to share with all that's something

39:36that we're making up on the fly by any means.

39:39Work to date essentially started last year

39:41after the approval of bill 185.

39:43We really took a look at our internal tracking processes.

39:47So, there's ongoing work each time,

39:51there's a model assessment each time

39:54that a planning application comes ahead.

39:56The city's hydraulic water and wastewater models

39:58will say, will the system support the development

40:01and its resource needs at this location of the system.

40:06We've since essentially married that to again,

40:09ongoing monitoring of the development approvals

40:12that we had and what we have remaining

40:13from a planned capacity standpoint.

40:15So we increase the rigor on our internal processes.

40:20Now that that's done work and turned earlier this year

40:22to again, what was development of a policy

40:25which would later become a bylaw

40:26and allow us to enact some of these new powers

40:28under bill 185.

40:31The first phase of this process was in May of this year

40:34in which, and I'll speak a little bit to that

40:37as well as the current phase.

40:39So next slide please.

40:42So as far as phase one had the engagement,

40:44this was something that was done on a digital basis,

40:48apart from dialing into home builder association meetings,

40:52kind of other stakeholders as well.

40:54The intent of this was really just to start to talk

40:57to common themes of what allocation bylaws

40:59or policies include.

41:03The terms of allocation first come first serve is common.

41:06Was there something else that again,

41:07stakeholders may see that maybe advantageous to the city?

41:12What were acceptable lapsing periods generally is 36 months

41:15when you're signing that site plan agreement.

41:19Again, beyond that should extensions be available

41:22through the process itself.

41:25And lastly, there's another theme again saying,

41:28builders, developers, are doing working communities

41:32across Ontario, you're working with someone

41:34who has a best of class policy that we should be looking at

41:37or we should be speaking to as far as development

41:38of our own policy.

41:40Next slide please.

41:44So again, a very niche topic,

41:45but through phase one, essentially we'd saw 15 responses.

41:51Overall, there was support,

41:53minimal consensus there to move ahead with the policy.

41:56But again, we saw the importance of this tool

41:58as something we're continuing to pursue again

42:00with the interest of the legacy of the city.

42:04We saw some division around first come first serve.

42:07I guess one of the comments I remember is more so,

42:10the first developer of the door may not be the best use

42:12of the city's capacity, but nobody told me

42:15what the second was bringing that being said,

42:17but regardless, some little test through that.

42:24Again, a key to this was engaging,

42:27pro-volunteers are leading the process,

42:29understanding what your servicing needs are

42:31at the end of the day.

42:33Especially that again, we need to be able to find a place

42:35to support you.

42:36If there's any localized challenges,

42:38again, the city needs to do something

42:40to ensure that there's necessary wastewater

42:42or water to the site.

42:44Letting people know early just to be sure

42:46that investments and money and all the rest of it

42:51at the end of the day.

42:52So again, people were very happy to talk about these things

42:54or at least start to identify their concerns.

42:57Again, there was general support,

42:59that 36 months was an appropriate period of time.

43:04But through each of these,

43:05as we came to, I guess, introduce these terms,

43:07many of the respondents were saying,

43:10I need more detail to understand the mechanics

43:12of these individual components and how they work together.

43:15So I'll get into that a little bit more,

43:17but next slide, please.

43:21Again, more information needed.

43:23As far as extensions, again, this was divided

43:26that largely we saw 37 plus the 32% talking about

43:31that these should be considered or part of our approach.

43:35There was others saying,

43:36why can't you build a house in a year?

43:37What's wrong?

43:38So again, there's different perspectives

43:39and viewpoints coming into this process.

43:43Through this, we didn't receive any kind of recognition

43:47as to what we're best in class policies.

43:49Can appreciate there's an allocation policy

43:51that a municipality may have developed before bill 185.

43:54And I could think, much of this information

43:57is water and wastewater bylaws.

43:59So perhaps a new vehicle by which to do this,

44:02but didn't hear much on that front.

44:06I guess beyond this, there are a few more details

44:08as well as a happier say for the engagement itself.

44:12And we have developed a phase one report

44:14that just comes to capture this in a little more detail.

44:18Next slide, please.

44:21So currently we're within phase two of the engagement.

44:24This started on September the 22nd,

44:27second part of me in follow up to really the feedback

44:31we received from stakeholders in phase one,

44:34really we wanted to bring a bigger level of detail,

44:38a lot more detail and sharing the individual parts

44:43of that component or parts of that process.

44:45So as such, we developed what was a plain language

44:49policy which has been posted since the 27th

44:52and we are still in the city and see feedback

44:54on the policy itself.

44:57Again, this is all staged through have your say.

44:59So you could go there and see this now.

45:02Next slide, please.

45:06If you haven't had a chance to take a look

45:08just to kind of share some key themes with you.

45:12Again, early consultation is something that

45:16paramount to the process understanding what we need

45:18that early signal to proponents

45:19that we're in a place to support or not.

45:22Through the document, you'll see both what are formal

45:25and informal capacity checks.

45:27A formal capacity check is one that's completed

45:29in support of an active planning application.

45:32If you're putting ahead that capacity check,

45:35we're then holding that capacity versus your application

45:39for a period of 48 months

45:41when you work through the planning application

45:42side of things.

45:44The document also speaks to what are informal capacity checks

45:47and informal capacity check may be,

45:49I'm looking at buying this property

45:52and placing my plant there at the end of the day.

45:55I'm looking for this as far as servicing needs,

45:56can you help me or not?

45:58It's more kind of due diligence at the start

46:00of it's not really in support of an active application.

46:04As such, those aren't held, but just a moment in time

46:07telling you again, there's servicing here,

46:09there's an opportunity here, there's not.

46:13Looking to all things, servicing needs and water based

46:17as well within the document,

46:18you'll see community economic development,

46:20investment proposals.

46:22So our economic development team is competing

46:26within Ontario and versus other places globally

46:28to land business through this commonly,

46:33they'll put forward their servicing needs

46:35and you need to be very agile to say, yes, we can survive.

46:40So this process normally plays out

46:43in about a 10 month period of time

46:44if we know if Guelph has landed this investment or not.

46:47But essentially this bylaw would allow the GM

46:50of economic development and tourism to request a check

46:53in support of one of these competitions

46:55to land business here in the community.

46:57And we would hold that for 12 months to ensure

46:59from a reputational standpoint, we've said we can help,

47:03we can serve as you that essentially is still there.

47:05And that capacity is accounted for when we're doing our work.

47:11Beyond the point of the planning application

47:13where again, we'd look at site plan subdivision approval,

47:18thereafter there would be a new term of 36 months,

47:21which would be held again for that application

47:24to move from what was the planning approval

47:27to physical construction.

47:30Should again, a home builder or private entity

47:33essentially be unable to meet that 36 month period

47:37at this time the document as well comes to define

47:41what is an extension process with criteria

47:43as far as why we'd seek to again,

47:47allow an extension past the 36 months within that

47:51and through the first phase of engagement,

47:53we're hearing, okay, well, the economic climate

47:55isn't all that great for building right now

47:57if no one's gonna build these things,

47:58why am I, it doesn't make sense for me to proceed

48:01as a builder or a developer.

48:02So again, it would be these types of things

48:04that would come ahead.

48:05I have labor shortages, there's a hard time getting

48:08the people that I need to construct,

48:10what I'm working on here.

48:11So again, we've tried to make it from various standpoints

48:16that again, we're taking these things into consideration,

48:18being fair through the process.

48:21Similarly, if servicing is dependent on the municipality

48:24doing an upgrade to linear servicing

48:27between the point of your development

48:28and the point of the plant for that to essentially

48:31allow servicing or adequate servicing for your development.

48:34Again, that shouldn't be against the proponent

48:36that's work that the city needs to do

48:38to essentially ensure readiness for development

48:40at the end of the day.

48:44Beyond the extension process,

48:45there's also appeals within the documents.

48:47So the first level appeal would be

48:49to the GM of planning services

48:50and then secondarily to council.

48:53Council would have final say related to,

48:56again, the extension or again, the proposal here.

49:00Beyond that, a big part of the policy as well

49:02is ensuring that we're getting council information

49:04on the current state of unallocated servicing capacity

49:07and the fact that they're making the decisions

49:09as to what gets serviced and to what extent,

49:11just to ensure that they have the information needed

49:14to make their decisions.

49:16Next slide, please.

49:21So again, phase two is alive on,

49:24have your say, the document you can see here

49:27at the moment of this staged and approach it,

49:29software called Kenzo.

49:31So you can literally scroll down

49:33and see where people similar to like editing a document

49:36with your peers, I'm sure at work,

49:38you can see the hotspots in the document,

49:40you can click on it and say,

49:41oh, okay, that person had a good point,

49:43but have you thought about this?

49:44So really nice and concise.

49:47I like it in the fact that you can see

49:48what people are saying, what the key themes are.

49:51And again, hopefully approachable

49:53and the fact that you're starting to see

49:55what others are saying, consider those things as well

49:57through your own input.

50:00It should come up, if you visit the page,

50:02if you've been to have your say,

50:03you just need to create an account.

50:05If not, the search allocation,

50:07I'm sure it'll be the first option there.

50:10Well, I mean, so next slide, please.

50:14So just to discuss timelines,

50:16essentially the phase two engagement was 30 days,

50:19allowing stakeholders to essentially provide feedback

50:22and we're still going there until the 22nd.

50:25From there, internal teams will start to look at feedback

50:28coming from the draft policy

50:30and revising the document as appropriate.

50:34Thereafter, with the chair and committee's consent,

50:36I'd like to come back to the group

50:37with what is the draft final policy in December

50:41to solicit some more feedback from the group

50:42before we're essentially writing that report

50:44to bring it to council.

50:46And tentatively, we're on council's agenda

50:48for February 2026.

50:50So the idea would be that the policy and report

50:53would come ahead for council's blessing at that time.

50:55And then a bylaw essentially enacting policies

50:59to be blessed during the following month.

51:03And that's it for my presentation.

51:04Thank you for your time.

51:06Next point.

51:07Any questions, comments, Rowan?

51:12Yes.

51:13So I did take a look at the draft bylaw there.

51:18And I don't have to be in front of me,

51:19so hopefully I can remember what I'm remembering

51:22from my review.

51:22But I think it was talking about looking at the wastewater

51:27treatment plant capacity and then the water supply capacity

51:31based on the current and the peak water,

51:32but it didn't really touch on the linear infrastructure.

51:34You made mention of it in your discussion just now.

51:38That is something that's reviewed a hydraulic model

51:43to see if it would that be something

51:45that the bylaw could consider as well

51:48as looking at capacity of truck sewers.

51:49Like how close are you to your design criteria

51:55or how full that should be under different conditions?

51:58Right, yes.

52:00You're quite right.

52:01So the process would be,

52:02each capacity check would include a linear assessment

52:06through the model to your point.

52:07So speaking to, again, from a water and wastewater servicing,

52:11peak demands, flows, all of those things.

52:14Is this supported locally

52:15where it's in the system currently?

52:18And then as well as at the plant.

52:20So we know what we've approved.

52:22We know what's yet to become physical demand

52:24with the system at this time.

52:26And so again, there's a countdown tracker

52:29at the bed each plant level as well.

52:31And as a proponent, when you go through the check process,

52:34you'll be given a report that essentially talks

52:36to both emeralds,

52:39model from a water stain.

52:42Peak day, fire flow, bread.

52:46Session of wastewater.

52:47And then again, from a plant that includes all those things.

52:52I noted a similar comment thus far.

52:55So I think some more clarity is perhaps

52:57what that entails needs to come into the document,

52:59but the intent is that both would be part of that assessment.

53:02Okay, that's good enough.

53:03Okay, great.

53:10In terms of the cumulative effects.

53:14So you've got applications under the offer.

53:17Your model of sort of adding those up

53:20as other requests come in.

53:22So that you got a sense of,

53:24so at the end of this planning horizon,

53:26whatever that might be,

53:28you have a sense of what the demands are gonna be at pulses.

53:32Yes, so we continue to look to both master plans

53:35and the curves that are based on population growth

53:38within those so demand versus population growth

53:41is looking at the staging,

53:44you know, planning design

53:46and the construction of new treatment

53:48and supply on both sides.

53:50So all of those things are part of the equation

53:54as far as looking at when we need to move ahead,

53:57construct more at the end of the day.

53:59But as far as getting to this point in the plant models,

54:02we've done a lot of work with planning services

54:04and staff there and looking at past approvals of council

54:07that we know have capacity associated with them,

54:11such that we're not getting into a place

54:13where we're over allocating

54:16and getting to a tough spot

54:18as far as people looking to construct

54:19and then all of a sudden we don't have the service

54:21like there to support you.

54:24Someone submits an application

54:26they're really gung-ho to integrate

54:29more conservation practices into their design,

54:32whether that be LID or what have you.

54:36Are you able to like evaluate that

54:40and sort of, I don't know if you have a point system,

54:43or does that factor into your

54:45most important decision-making process?

54:51Well, they may be asking Will for some support,

54:53but I know that there's significant asks come in the door.

54:57A lot of the economic development asks,

54:59it's common that myself and my colleague Tim Robertson,

55:03whose wastewater services are brought in

55:06to really talk to the feasibility of what's there.

55:10Within our by-law or water by-law,

55:12you can't have once through water cooling,

55:14you can't have some of these things.

55:15So again, if we're seeing these as a result

55:17of proposals that are coming in,

55:18it's something that we're commonly saying.

55:21This feels like a lot of water.

55:22Have you seen our water rates at the end of the day?

55:24The expectation as you're paying everything associated

55:26with this if you're using it.

55:28Have you thought of different types of cooling systems?

55:31So commonly these things are coming up

55:34both to maximize the resources that we have,

55:36but hopefully as well if the designer

55:39hasn't thought about these things,

55:40they're coming to encompass them.

55:43I've been a part of something where really building code

55:45is our interest and that's what we're doing.

55:47We're moving ahead.

55:49Ideally, voluntarily proponents can seek

55:52to go over and above.

55:53I don't think there's anything offhand

55:55that we can really do to incentivize them to have being said.

56:00On that front, planning is working

56:01on the green building standards system.

56:05However, recent provincial changes have made it

56:08so they are voluntary.

56:10We cannot require them.

56:11We cannot require anything above or beyond building code.

56:15So we are nonetheless going forward

56:17with the green building standards

56:18and trying to find ways I don't work directly on this.

56:23And I know that there's interest in finding ways

56:25that we can financially incentivize it.

56:29We're looking at the CPVS as a way of incentivizing it,

56:34but that's where we are.

56:37I figure out how to really needle on that.

56:41It kind of takes me back to my other life

56:43and thinking about stormwater management.

56:45There's a risk associated with getting into those conversations

56:49and what's actually going to be delivered on the ground

56:51and how it's going to be verified and monitored over time.

56:54The developer's coming forward and saying,

56:55well, I'm going to put in rooftop storage.

56:57So I want to downsize my stormwater.

57:00Who's going to go up and look at all the roof hoppers

57:03in every year or every six months or whatever the case may be.

57:07I can see the benefit of trying to push,

57:09especially the green development standards,

57:11trying to do a bit better than we have,

57:14get another form of community benefit.

57:17Well, sort of taking some pressure off the water system.

57:23Just one last question.

57:24I'm just curious, you have 15 responses.

57:27You know how many of those we did all?

57:28I appreciate it.

57:30I don't offhand, so all that information is kept private

57:34from myself.

57:36I know the Grant Highlands Building Association,

57:40their events are in 32 already.

57:43So they're kind of organizing in a different form,

57:46I guess, at the end of the day.

57:47So I'm not sure if I'm going to see members

57:49or just internal association commenting this time around.

57:56I'm curious.

57:57Anyways, no further questions.

58:00And thank you very much for your presentation, Wayne.

58:03Thank you.

58:04We look forward to getting some further details

58:07in December, I guess.

58:09Maybe a Christmas person.

58:10Yes.

58:11Yes.

58:13Maybe some nice baking, but the policy is a little bit.

58:18OK.

58:20Are there any, I don't have any announcements,

58:21any announcements from staff?

58:25I do have one.

58:28Last time when we met, I went through a few programs

58:32doing as a community outreach.

58:35So November 4th and 5th is our local stock

58:38date for industrial commercial institutional stock

58:42take on our greenhouse gas emissions, focusing

58:45on those particular sectors.

58:49This will be the second time we're

58:51having this annual event.

58:54We're just announcing it to folks around the table too.

58:58We're really looking for asking advisory committees

59:02to work their networks.

59:05If there are businesses in those sectors

59:11that would be interested in participating,

59:14it's really what we're looking for.

59:16So it's a peer-to-peer event to have folks.

59:19Well, last year we had companies like Gaili, Butter,

59:23and Linnimar, and Slim & Brewery, all those types

59:29on the industrial date.

59:31And then on the institutional day,

59:32we had institutional commercial day.

59:34We had Skyline, upper grand district school,

59:38or the University of Guelph, those types of folks,

59:40so on the county of Wellington.

59:42So looking to grow numbers, looking to really get

59:47conversations going, utilities will also

59:49be at this event to share information

59:52about incentives and rebates, as we're speaking.

59:54Look that just down, to motivate these sector players

59:59to introduce their missions and also water usage.

1:00:04So putting it out there, I can share information

1:00:08for those that are interested.

1:00:10Yeah, so is it a virtual?

1:00:13Sorry, it's an in-person session.

1:00:15And where is it going to be held?

1:00:16So it'll be held at Cotton Fields.

1:00:18November 4th is the industrial day.

1:00:21And then November 5th is the institutional commercial day.

1:00:25There's an event-brite link by invite.

1:00:28So yes, the best way would be to.

1:00:33Brian, you could send an email to all the committee members

1:00:35if they're interested.

1:00:36You could do that, yeah.

1:00:37Yeah, OK.

1:00:38So you could send that information out to everybody.

1:00:39Great.

1:00:40Thank you for that, Brian.

1:00:41All right.

1:00:42Any other staff announcements?

1:00:44Just like that, if that'll be over downtown,

1:00:46I can always select from the other end on going.

1:00:48So again, I'm going to see downtown,

1:00:51keep an eye out.

1:00:51We've removed about 15 public space containers now.

1:00:54So we have businesses and residents registered

1:00:57to use bulk or large collection sites.

1:01:00We have new litter containers in the downtown.

1:01:02So your streetscape should be a little more tidy

1:01:07and ultimately leaning towards underground containers

1:01:11and better allocation of sources, better delineation

1:01:17of sources for charge bags, things like that.

1:01:19So that's where we're piloting.

1:01:20So I'm going to have to say, well,

1:01:21if you want to learn more about it and meet people,

1:01:24I just appreciate it.

1:01:25So thank you.

1:01:26That's great.

1:01:26Thank you.

1:01:27Thank you.

1:01:29Lucas, did you?

1:01:31I do.

1:01:33Thanks.

1:01:33Tomorrow at 4 PM is the council meeting.

1:01:38We'll be presenting the official plan update, which

1:01:40I presented in September.

1:01:43So you have the opportunity to tune in there

1:01:45and listen through there as well on the 16th.

1:01:50So also coming up very quickly, of October,

1:01:53the official plan in its entirety

1:01:55will be posted to the Have Your Say page for this project.

1:01:59And you can have the opportunity to review and comment directly,

1:02:02very similar to the tool that Wayne showed as well.

1:02:06We'll also be available for the official plan update.

1:02:08And I'll be coming back to this group in November

1:02:11to have a discussion on that too.

1:02:15Great.

1:02:15Thank you for that.

1:02:16Once.

1:02:17That was great.

1:02:18Anything else?

1:02:22So now I think we're on to motion for adjournment.

1:02:27Somebody like to move the motion for adjournment.

1:02:31Sure.

1:02:32Boris wants to go.

1:02:35Second there.

1:02:37Yeah.

1:02:38Thank you.

1:02:39I'll be all in favor.

1:02:41Thanks.

1:02:42Thank you very much.

1:02:43It's an option to have all our own chairs.

1:02:46Thanks, everyone.

1:02:55Next meeting is scheduled for the under-tent.

1:02:57There's a message you can do, but that's

1:02:59sure we should be able to.

1:03:01She's going to get a little bit of an unexpected.

1:03:03I'm dangerous.

1:03:03I'm a bit of a serenade.