Arts and Culture Advisory Committee

0:02First Nations, Inuit and Métis people who have come across Turtle Island called Guelph

0:06Home today.

0:07Great, thank you.

0:10The next item on the agenda is disclosure of pecuniary interests.

0:13I don't believe we have any, but if anyone has one, a hand would be appropriate now.

0:18Excellent.

0:20And now we'll move to some introductions.

0:23So I think what we'll do is we'll start with staff and then we'll go around out of the

0:26table for all the members, okay?

0:28So maybe I'll turn over to you first.

0:30So my name is Jeanette.

0:32I'm the cultural program and events coordinator with the city.

0:36And so my portfolio includes public art.

0:39So the city's public art collection, the artist and residence program, culture days, and anything

0:46that comes into the preview of public art.

0:48So I'm really happy to be here and to meet all of you.

0:51Great, thank you, Tammy.

0:53Hi everyone, I'm Tammy Edkin.

0:55I'm the manager of BCM's and culture for the city.

0:58So I oversee, welcome to BCM's as well as our culture department, including public art

1:03and cultural events of the city.

1:05Excellent, thank you.

1:07And that's okay to call you both the staff liaisons for the committee, okay?

1:10So we'll use that word when we describe some of the staff within the structure of our ECLCs,

1:16our staff liaisons.

1:17So that's okay, come on in.

1:20Julia, correct?

1:21Yes.

1:22Welcome to the, we're just in the midst of introductions.

1:25So, perfect.

1:26So my name is Garrett Meads, I'm the acting manager of legislative services and deputy

1:33clerk with the city of Guelph.

1:35Myself along with Winnie here represent the clerk's office.

1:38We're here to support with the procedural advice, meeting management, the online meeting

1:43formats, your agendas, your minutes, how to get your information to council.

1:47That's our role in this perspective, okay?

1:49So we're not subject to matter experts.

1:50We're not here to provide any information on staff reports or anything like that.

1:56We're going to help you facilitate your voice to staff and council.

1:59That's our role, okay?

2:00So I'll also turn it over to Winnie and she can introduce herself.

2:04Hi, can you hear me?

2:06Yes, thanks, Winnie.

2:07Okay, thank you very much.

2:08This is Winnie Chan from the clerk's office.

2:10I am the board and committee coordinator and you will be receiving a lot of emails from

2:16me, tons of emails.

2:17I'm so sorry that it was sent by me from the advisorycommittees.gov.ca.

2:24So I will be taking care of all the administrative and also all the procedural stuff for the

2:30ACOC advisory committees of council and arts and culture is one of them.

2:36So, really nice to meet you.

2:39Thanks, Winnie.

2:41So maybe we'll start benching, right?

2:43Right.

2:44We'll start another side of the table.

2:45Thanks.

2:46My name is Banjia Kondek, Banjisfeld BA NGI.

2:51I'm moving to go out of like six years ago and I've been involved in a number of cultural

2:56events, some collaborations with the museum, GOMC and the cultural festival.

3:03My motivation really is just I'd love to see a more culturally inclusive city.

3:10I'd like to see a more culturally vibrant city and a lot of cultural exchange as well.

3:22There are things that will help the community and the quality of life of people that live

3:28here.

3:29So that's why I'm here and I'm really happy to meet you all.

3:32Thank you.

3:33Thanks Banjia.

3:34Great.

3:35Katie Saunders.

3:37I was, I think for a couple of years, maybe three, probably two, a member of the museum

3:45advisory committee.

3:48And prior to that, I was on the Guelph Library Board for 11 years.

3:55And so it just seemed a natural progression to join up with this new committee.

4:04I'm interested to learn more about how, always how the city works and to bring more, to bring

4:15public input into city workings, making sure that the voices of people are reflected in

4:26the things we do in our town.

4:28And yeah, I'm looking forward to being part of the committee.

4:36Andy Syme.

4:39I am a student at the University of Guelph.

4:41I study visual arts and also social change.

4:44And the students often talk about how there's such a disconnect between the city and the

4:51university students when it comes to art.

4:54And I want to be a voice for the students, but I also am interested in social change,

4:59obviously visual arts.

5:02And I'm really excited to be involved in this committee.

5:04Thank you.

5:05Hi, my name is Stephen.

5:07I'm from Guelph.

5:09I'm from Swansea, in the UK.

5:11I've been here since 2019.

5:13I was a member of PAC since 23, I think.

5:18Something like that, a year and a half, maybe, two years.

5:21Before coming here, I was a street performer and a campaigner for public space.

5:28I was also in a community centre.

5:31I've sort of devised work in public spaces quite a lot.

5:36I'm a PhD student in critical studies and improvisation.

5:40And I'm really interested in how public arts can encourage participation in other realms.

5:48So that's sort of why I'm interested in being part of this committee, sort of seeing how

5:53participation, two different art forms, different cultural forms can sort of have the knock-on

5:58effect of greater engagement with sort of civic or non-civic institutions.

6:05Thank you.

6:07My name is Madeleine.

6:11I was previously on the Guelph Museum Advisory Committee, and generally my background is

6:17information, whether that's access to or the protection of personal information.

6:22And I studied archives and museums, which is what led me originally to the Museum Advisory Committee.

6:29But I care really deeply about wealth and about the community of wealth.

6:34I've lived here most of my life, and usually within a really small radius of the downtown.

6:39So I think it's really important to be involved in the city that I live in and to have a civic duty.

6:47So I'm really curious to see what work the public art and culture committee will be doing.

6:54And I'm looking forward to working with you all.

6:57Thanks.

6:58Awesome.

6:59I'm Julia Blossom-Grady, and I moved to Guelph in 1996 as a visual artist and really,

7:08I'm very passionate about community engagement.

7:11I run 10 C-Shared Space, so a shared community hub, lots of all kinds of different ways that

7:18citizens can engage in action in their community is really what I'm interested in.

7:24And I've been on PAC for a long time.

7:29It feels like five years or something.

7:31So curious about how this new arrangement can work out.

7:36What I think I'm really passionate about is making sure that the municipality as a corporation is really living into the

7:42values of the culture plan and making Guelph a really vibrant arts community.

7:49Like, I would aspire to wanting Guelph to be like one of the top arts and culture communities in Canada.

7:57And sometimes I feel like the slippage.

8:02I think a part of our role is to make sure there isn't slippage in that.

8:06And all of the things that Banji said, like creating more like interconnections and bringing art not just into like the downtown area,

8:16which I'm a downtowner forever in this community, but really like finding ways to like pull the arts and culture in and out of where people are living in the city.

8:27Thank you.

8:28My name is Yassine.

8:30I came in Guelph in 2018 as an international student and then the journey of living in Guelph started and I am in so love with the city.

8:42And I settled down myself in the city and never thought about moving out from Guelph.

8:48And I actually studied sociology from the University of Guelph.

8:53But my undergrad was in anthropology.

8:55So my background aligns with culture and arts.

9:01So that brings me to work in this community.

9:09And also I have been working as a policy analyst at a federal government level.

9:15So I think like I can bring my expertise to in this community and make the city like inclusive in terms of arts and culture.

9:29My focus is on multiculturalism as a lot of immigrants are coming to the city.

9:37And I think those voices needs to be raised and heard.

9:41And yeah, I'll talk about that.

9:45Thank you.

9:47My name is Eleni Macapoulos and I've been involved in the arts feels like my entire life.

9:53I've lived in Guelph running off.

9:55So I'm here when I was 10, went to the University of Guelph.

9:59I've always been really disappointed how the university in the city don't seem more connected with the arts since it's such a it's been a prestigious program out there for a long time.

10:09I did my MFA in York.

10:11I'm also, as I said, I've been on PAC for two years, maybe more.

10:15I'm a Mediterranean here in Guelph.

10:17So always looking for different ways that we can just push the citizens to engage more and think more, be active, be active citizens of this community, but the world.

10:29So kind of always wanted to see arts in Guelph be kind of like what Julia said, like really, really out there and significant in Canada.

10:39And that's the accessibility and brave and kind of fighting through things we want and the voices we want to raise and elevate.

10:45Also interested in social change and inclusivity and all those things I think are hugely important.

10:51So that's why I'm here.

10:53Thank you. Thank you everybody for sharing.

10:55Okay, we'll move on now.

10:57We're going to have a couple presentations here, one from the clerk's office where we're going to talk about procedural advice and meeting minutes and agendas and all that sort of stuff.

11:06And then we'll turn it over to your staff, Lee, as I was to give you a little bit more of a rundown on what the committee is all about, what you'll be doing, some of the content.

11:14So that said, I'm going to fly through this really quickly because I do not believe that anyone is really interested in any of this.

11:23Other than me and probably.

11:26Okay.

11:28But what I will say is I'm not expecting you to understand be able to regurgitate or anything like that.

11:35What I'm going to talk about today, but I just want you to know that that's what we do and we can support you on that.

11:40And if you have any questions, comments, concerns on how to help facilitate that sort of portions of work of this committee, we're here to help you with that.

11:48Okay.

11:49So general roles, responsibilities, procedural training for ACO, for ACOC support staff.

11:55Okay.

11:56Pardon me.

11:57Sorry.

11:58So just a high level agenda overview.

12:01We're going to talk about the advisory committee of council governance framework.

12:04That's the policy document that's bringing us here today.

12:06There are a number of people who have sat on other committees within the city of Guelph.

12:11For your knowledge, we have disbanded all all 14.

12:15I think it was advisory committees of council.

12:17We've reduced that to seven.

12:19And I'll talk a little bit about that.

12:21Okay.

12:22We got information about legislative requirements for local boards, code of conduct for city council and local boards, lobbyist registry, your terms of reference.

12:32Like I said, roles and responsibility for everyone in the room here today.

12:36A little bit of procedural advice and how we go about with motions and resolutions and minutes and how that how your information and how your recommendations make its way to staff and council.

12:47Okay.

12:49So we're going to touch on some things about agendas and then some general best practices for motions and that sort of stuff. Okay.

12:57So like I said, we just finished a two year review of our advisory committees of council and what has come of that is a policy document called our advisory committee of council governance framework.

13:11It essentially allows us to refocus our committees to make them more effective to streamline the work that we do to resource them adequately to provide a structure or framework around all of our committees so that they can operate as true advisory committees to council.

13:34Council can find value in them and the work that we do here will make its way there appropriately to help advise council on their decision making process.

13:45Okay.

13:46So like I said, I'm going to go through pretty quick.

13:49It was a collaborative effort between the city of wealth and the Gulf lab.

13:53So the university folks here may be aware of the Gulf lab.

13:56It's a joint operation between the city and the university.

14:01A lot of great work that came out of that I want to highlight actually when he was a Gulf lab employee who was working on the policy side from that area and then joined our team so we've got a lot of great knowledge and when he and some of the staff available who are going to support you.

14:16Okay.

14:17There's seven commitments outlined there in the framework just throw them up on the screen.

14:21We don't need to go through each one of them individually if anyone is interested in the policy document and definitely provide you with a resource.

14:27If you're interested in that kind of reading, I think it's like 68 pages.

14:30Stop too bad.

14:31It's got some great information in there.

14:34There are as well six critical features that I'd like to highlight from the framework there.

14:39Again, don't expect you to remember know it real good.

14:42You take it but the information there if you're interested.

14:45So legislative requirements.

14:49Okay.

14:50We're talking about meetings.

14:52Meeting should be open to the public.

14:54What we're doing today is that okay, the public can come and attend in person that could connect online.

15:00All that information is included in your agendas that are posted publicly.

15:04We talked about decision making made through resolutions.

15:08Okay.

15:09We talked about how that feedback can make its way into staff's hands, inform staff reports, then ultimately make its way to city council for final decision.

15:19Okay.

15:21Meeting notices will be provided via the posting of agendas.

15:26You would have all received that from Winnie last week at some time.

15:29When we do that, we also post that information publicly.

15:32Same thing with the minutes of once the minutes are completed, they'll be posted publicly and provided to council.

15:38Okay.

15:39What is a meeting?

15:41Simply, it is a group of quorum of the committee meeting to discuss the business of the committee.

15:50So you're a committee of nine.

15:52So if five of you were in a room together and you were discussing something to do with the advisory committee, that would constitute a meeting.

16:00Okay.

16:01We ask that all those types of meetings be public.

16:03So if you ever do find yourself all meeting together at the museum or coffee shop or the grocery store, please just don't talk about the advisory committee work that way.

16:11Okay.

16:12We want to be in compliance with the legislation and our procedural bylaw.

16:16Okay.

16:18So how does a CLC provide feedback to staff and council?

16:21This is 90% of what the clerk's office is here to support you in your endeavors.

16:28The best way to do this and quite honestly, the only way to do this is through the form of a resolution.

16:33A resolution is a motion that has been voted in the affirmative.

16:37Okay.

16:38So what you will find is you may receive information from staff through a report.

16:44You may have discussions about items that are prevalent or relevant to pieces of work that are happening or events that are going on within the community.

16:54And you are asked to provide feedback on that.

16:57We can go around the room and everyone can give their opinions on that and that would be awesome.

17:02But that is not the best way to do it.

17:04We need to then take that information, put it in some form of a resolution.

17:08We're going to vote on that resolution.

17:10And ideally if we have five or more people, depending on how many people are available or at the meeting, sorry, that resolution will then be or sorry, that motion will then become a resolution.

17:21That resolution will be captured in the minutes.

17:23It will be included in any staff report that goes towards council.

17:27Those minutes will be provided to council through an information report that goes out weekly every Friday.

17:32And that's how the work that you do will become public, will become visible and can be actioned by those decision makers.

17:39Okay.

17:40Want to pause there.

17:41Any questions on that?

17:42I know it's somewhat technical, but makes sense so far.

17:46Again, a couple of nodding heads.

17:48Perfect.

17:51Thank you.

17:52I'm going to start by highlighting how that feedback makes its way through to staff to city council.

18:01Now we'll switch over to some of the things that help govern you as a committee.

18:05The code of conduct for city council and local boards will impact you as well.

18:10That said, the entirety of the code of conduct probably doesn't impact you.

18:15And there's only a couple key areas that I would like to highlight.

18:18So gifts and benefits, confidentiality, conduct, influence on staff, improper influence and conflicts of interest.

18:25Like I said, not expecting you to know this, but if you ever find yourself in a situation where one of these items is coming up in regards to your participation on the committee, please feel free to reach out.

18:37You can read the code.

18:38We can help you navigate the code and interpret the code.

18:41And also the integrity commissioner, who is the ultimate decision maker on our code and can provide advice as well.

18:48The one that may impact most of you in this room at some point in time is probably conflicts of interest.

18:54Of any of you around the table are participating in anything that would come across the committee in your private life.

19:03There may be a conflict of interest there.

19:05So I don't know any specific examples that may have come up.

19:09For example, if we're talking about the argues and residency program, if any of you are involved on the private side of that being a part of being included in that, you may not be able to provide recommendation that your own content is being approved in that case.

19:23That's kind of the best example I can give quickly.

19:27Lobbyist registry.

19:28So this is another one that again, don't expect you to know.

19:32I just want you to know that it exists as of January 1st, 2025.

19:37The city of Guelph implemented a lobbyist registry bylaw.

19:40The lobbyist registry bylaw outlines the requirement for conversations that happen, not in a public form to be registered on the city's website.

19:52If those conversations were to lead to financial gain or mitigate financial loss.

19:58Okay.

19:59Now, an example for yourselves.

20:01If you're discussing as a group, the approval of a specific project, which would financially impact an individual who's applying for that project or part of that project.

20:14And let's say they come to you at a coffee shop or grocery store and say, hey, I know you sit on the committee.

20:19I know your recommendation to council means a lot.

20:22I want to talk to you about this because I want to make sure that you vote to say yes to my piece of work.

20:27Okay.

20:28They obviously could gain financially from that conversation.

20:32What that means for them is they have to then register that they've had that conversation on our website.

20:37The requirement is theirs and there's a loan.

20:40They are required to follow the bylaw.

20:43They are required to follow all the rules.

20:45The only thing that I want to say to you guys is we would appreciate if you are advocates for the city as committee members to say.

20:52This sounds a little bit like lobbying.

20:54You may want to talk to the clerk's office or staff at the city to understand how this conversation may impact you.

21:00Okay.

21:01That's all we really ask for you in that scenario.

21:03If you have any questions, if you have weird conversations with somebody like, oh, that seemed a little inappropriate or awkward.

21:08Feel free to reach out to us.

21:10The point of the lobbyist registry bylaw is not to penalize people for conversations that are happening.

21:16It is to inform the public and be transparent and open with those conversations so the public is aware that they're happening.

21:23Okay.

21:24We don't think that lobbying is wrong.

21:26We actually think lobbying is part of a democratic process, but there's a place for it.

21:31There's a time for it and it should be disclosed.

21:35Okay.

21:36Terms of reference during the ACLC governance framework review, we've updated all terms of reference for all committees.

21:45Key highlights there are the mandate, composition, and meeting schedule and format.

21:50But one thing I wanted to outline for you is our one-year review timeline.

21:54So each year, every committee of council will be required to create a self-evaluation and then evaluate themselves at the end of that year to see if you've met your goals and meeting the strategic client of council.

22:08That is something that we will help facilitate you through, but it's a piece of work that we're going to require you to do.

22:14That is part of the framework to continue to evaluate whether the committees are impactful and driving policy and strategic decision-making within the city.

22:24Okay.

22:26A little bit about our roles.

22:27So first I'll talk about the staff liaisons.

22:31They're your information experts.

22:33They're going to be the ones who are bringing information forward, talking to you about what's happening at the city, helping you understand your role within the decision-making process,

22:43providing you with details of programs and events and everything that's going on that's a part of this committee.

22:50Okay.

22:51They're the ones you should ask those specific questions to.

22:54They're going to be there to help.

22:55And they're the ones who are going to have a, let's call it like a one-year review idea of what's going to come towards you, what's up and coming on the city's work plan and that sort of stuff.

23:05Okay.

23:06So we have a role for the city clerk's office.

23:10We've talked about this a lot already, but we're here to support in the back end.

23:14Really, you shouldn't see us other than us being here taking minutes.

23:17It'll be myself.

23:18It'll be Winnie.

23:19We have another board and committee coordinator who's currently on maternity leave, but you'll see them as well in the meetings.

23:25We'll be in the background supporting.

23:27We'll be the ones sending all the emails.

23:29We're there to help you at any time that you need support on how to get your voice heard with council or writing motions or how to work resolutions, that sort of stuff.

23:39Okay.

23:41And then role of the ACLC members.

23:43So yourselves, would you just ask that you come well prepared to attend and discuss and participate in meetings, contribute all your skills and abilities, get a unique range of people in the room.

23:54That was great to hear.

23:55Thank you everyone for those introductions.

23:57So, and just be curious and flexible with your discussions.

24:00Be open, be honest, be respectful of everyone who's contributing to the committee.

24:06And then we can facilitate some really positive discussions and really get the impact and the information we're looking from you to pass that alone.

24:16Basic meeting procedures.

24:19We've talked about this already, but we have a resolution or we have a motion.

24:24We require that motion to be moved by an individual.

24:27That motion will then be seconded by an individual.

24:30You can discuss and debate the motion at that time.

24:33And then we would call for a vote on that motion and for that motion to be approved and become a resolution of the committee, we need at least 50% plus one to vote in the affirmative of that motion.

24:43We will have a couple of examples of that later on.

24:46We're going to look for nominations for chair and vice chair for the committee at the end of this meeting.

24:51So we'll help you run through a couple of really easy motions at that time as well.

24:58Resolutions.

24:59Like I said, we're here to help you write these and what will probably take place is when you have information and reports that come to you, they probably have recommended resolutions that can be edited, updated, changed as we go through our discussions.

25:15But some good examples here, including title, very informative referencing specific documents, they're dated and they have an action item.

25:24So be approved or be considered for inclusion, that sort of thing.

25:28Okay.

25:29I have a couple of examples of bad resolutions.

25:32Not, there's no information there.

25:35The word endorsed may not mean anything to you, but it's a terrible word for a resolution in our opinion.

25:41But really what I want to highlight here is the worst resolution is no resolution at all.

25:47Okay.

25:48I don't, I would.

25:50I would hate to see that we have a great discussion around a topic and then our resolution is as simple as one of these up here that it be approved.

25:59If we have that discussion, if we have that input, let's work at getting that included in the resolution.

26:04It can be a big long list of bullet points that you all think are important about the topic we're discussing, but let's work together to figure that out so you feel like your voice is being heard and we're getting that information captured appropriately.

26:15And then like I said, ultimately, something.

26:18A little bit about the agendas you could have received the first agenda last week from waiting when she sent that out, but ideally we're sending these out a week before.

26:29You'll have a week to digest the information, respond back with any questions, comments, concerns before the meeting, that sort of thing.

26:39There is a process in place for members of the committee to add items to an agenda, if you would like.

26:47If there is a topic that is of interest to you or you think is timely, please let us know we can have work with you to do that.

26:54We have a number of ways and I'll just highlight them very quickly just so there's kind of a common ground here.

26:59But if you connect with us and you say I want to talk about this item, the first way is put it on the next agenda and talk about it.

27:06Maybe there's knowledge from the city side that there's going to be a report coming in a couple months and that that item that you want to discuss is already planned to come forward and we can include it in there.

27:16And we'll work with you to ensure that your piece of that is also included in the staff report that you'll be seeing.

27:22Or there may be a situation where what you want to discuss is really outside of the purview of this committee and maybe we recommend that this is not the best way to get that information and we can help facilitate other avenues if that's what you want to do.

27:34Okay, so just highlight those on the building of the agendas.

27:39Like I said, reports will come from staff, including recommendations with all the information need to make decisions.

27:45And then you'll find a time there'll be a lot of verbal updates included with those reports or presentations that you'll be able to see.

27:52And then lastly, we're here to help. You've already received emails from us, advisory committees at Guelph.ca. If you've got any questions, please feel free to reach out.

28:01We really want to see all of our committees be successful. We spent a lot of work in that governance framework. We're spending a lot of time and effort into the implementation and onboarding of all of our committees.

28:13And we want you to feel like you're valued in this process. So please connect with us if you have any input or changes or concerns or anything like that.

28:21Okay.

28:23I'll stop sharing here for a moment while we switch over, but open up the floor to any comments, questions, concerns. Excellent. I wouldn't have any either.

28:39Let's get into the fun stuff. And I'll use the notice up on the screen here for you guys. And here's kind of what you're here for today.

28:49Thanks, Carol.

28:51So it's great to be here with you.

28:53I'm familiar with this and great to see a new base at that table as well. I'm going to spend some time tonight just on a refresher on the documents and strategies that ground the work that we're going to be doing and then provide you with the forecast of our next bit to work.

29:16Just as an introduction to the world museums and culture, the work that we do includes the operation of wealth, 70 museum, McCrae house national historic site to the birthplace of john McCrae, the road and planners fields locomotive 6167, which is located now in john all Park near the river and

29:37our public art program, which includes our public art collection that the city owns, as well as public art activity in the community. So if there's an artist that wants to do a temporary art installation on public property, we oversee that work.

29:54And of course we encourage public art privately and by community.

30:01And so our work encompasses that.

30:04And then cultural programs events as well.

30:06So things like last week's National Indigenous People's Day event.

30:12We plan culture days.

30:15What else do we have on the go?

30:21Cinnamon the city on occasion, although with that's on a height is this year,

30:24but any kind of cultural events that happen in the community are chamber sets.

30:33So the Arts and Culture Advisory Committee, just a refresher on the mandate and purpose of this committee,

30:39because it has it encompasses the work of two former committees,

30:43the Guelph-Busain Advisory Committee and the Public Art Advisory Committee.

30:48And I think it's just this is a beautiful blend of work that has happened.

30:57And that was happening in parallel sometimes.

30:59So it's great to have the various perspectives at the same table.

31:03So as a reminder, the mandate and purpose of this committee is that you contribute strategic input and advice to city council

31:11and city staff on matters pertaining to arts, heritage and culture and wealth,

31:16including development, implementation and monitoring of the city's culture plan,

31:21the city's public art policy and the Guelph Museums and Culture Strategic Operating Plan.

31:27You review and approve Guelph Museums Operating Policies as required by the Ontario Ministry of Tourism,

31:33Culture and Gaming under the Heritage Act.

31:36And those policies enable us to meet expected standards,

31:42which enable us to receive a community museum operating grant from province every year.

31:48And then you also advise on acquisition and deaccession of material from the city's artifact in our collections.

31:59So let's talk a little bit about the Culture Plan.

32:02A number of you had a voice in the Culture Plan, and this will be repeat to you and others.

32:09This may be new.

32:10So in 2023, where has the time gone, council approved Guelph's first ever Culture Plan, Culture Plan 2030.

32:21And the vision that we articulated in that plan is that Guelph culture will be everywhere, every day and for everyone.

32:31And our mission is working together with a collective vision and collaborative effort to support community vitality,

32:39equity and inclusion, environmental responsibility and economic prosperity in and through culture.

32:47And the intent of this Culture Plan, as it was driven by community, is that this Culture Plan is a shared endeavor,

32:58a shared partnership between the municipality and the arts and culture community.

33:04And so the plan articulates a number of objectives, but there's really three pillars of work that the city is responsible for.

33:14And one of the best analogies that was provided at one of the community input sessions was when we were talking about the city's role in terms of arts and culture,

33:27the arts and culture sector, is that the city should provide the plate, it should provide the foundation.

33:33The community provides all of the ingredients that makes the cultural meal.

33:38And so with that, you know, with the idea of the city being the entity that provides some underpinning and uplifts the community, there's three pillars of work.

33:49The first is to cultivate for cultivate the creative community.

33:55And so that means investing in culture, increasing access to affordable space, upholding truth and reconciliation, prioritizing equity, deserving artists and audiences,

34:06incentivizing the development of cultural programming in the long, cool, lonely winter months, model and support environmental sustainable practices,

34:18adopt culture friendly bylaws, policies and practices, eliminate barriers to participation and address gentrification of wealth,

34:28recognizing that we are experiencing a culture drain as artists lead the city and we have a responsibility to address that retain and grow the culture community here.

34:40So that's the first pillar of work called today.

34:43The second pillar of work for the city is to connect so improve communication between the city and the culture sector amongst the culture sector and between the culture sector and community,

34:56nurture collaboration within the culture sector, engage growing in diverse audiences and foster collaboration between the culture sector and adjacent sectors like tourism, food and beverage.

35:10And then the third pillar of work for the city is to champion the culture sector.

35:16So develop a comprehensive recognition strategy, work with community to identify and support opportunities to seek designations for key cultural industries.

35:26So there's been a lot of talk in the past about music city designation.

35:31So that's in the plan as well as looking at other opportunities like that.

35:36Work with Devon tourism and community partners to identify and support attraction of cultural focus conferences, meetings and events.

35:44Embrace wealth by Centennial in 2027 and consider incorporating city owned cultural archival or heritage artifacts into public display for adaptive reuse of place making and alignment with the existing public art policy and museum collection policies.

36:02And that speaks to heritage material that is not in the museum collection, but is in storage cupboards and under stairs in city properties that might serve well to celebrate heritage.

36:23And so city council asked us to address that issue as well.

36:29So those are the pillars and the objectives for the city through the culture plan.

36:35And just to give you a brief update on the progress today, 19 recommendations have been initiated representing about 35% of the total work plan.

36:47So that's pretty good for the first year and bit highlights include the introduction of culture quarterlings.

36:55The completion of a feasibility for the drill hall feasibility study for the road hall.

37:00Initial discussions about funding models for cultural organizations and artists.

37:05And so that's looking at a distinct arts culture stream of funding distinct from the bigger community grant funding stream.

37:13So discussions have started there.

37:16Initiation of an inventory and mapping of cultural spaces presentation of cultural programming outside of the downtown core and increase in co productions between this is largely between river,

37:31culture groups.

37:32So,

37:33so I want to let you know at this point that there is a report going to council that is like kind of a bus report.

37:46On master plans on city master plans. And so the culture plan is included in that report that will be coming to council.

37:54It within that report.

37:57It is stated that we expect that because of delaying funding and so on that the full implementation of culture plan 2030 will take us beyond 2030.

38:10So instead of the seven years that we envisioned for this plan at the outset, the word plan is probably 15 years and that is contingent on that work being funded.

38:23And then also in that report, we've estimated that the funding to fully implement this plan would take approximately an investment of approximately $2 million a year in operating funding.

38:37And then I think it's around 400,000 in capital funding and that doesn't include capital funding in the drill hall of city council decides to move forward with that project. So watch for that report coming forward to council.

38:53So, the culture plan is work that happened.

38:59In 2023 prior to that, we did have a strategic operating plan for museums and culture called reconciling the past, reimagining the future, both PAC and the museum advisory committee contributed to the creation of that report.

39:17That plan that plan was initially to sunset in 2024, but it was extended to 2025 because we thought it important before we do a new strategic operating plan that we have the culture plan in place.

39:36So one of the first items of business for this committee will be to drive that strategic operating plan for museums and culture.

39:45But just to review reconciling the past for you imagining the future, our current strategic operating plan. It is inspired by Guelph's community plan and guided by future Guelph's strategic plan.

40:00And it is tethered to the city strategic plan.

40:05So the mandate we identified for Guelph museums and culture is to collect and protect artifacts, artworks and stories that reflect our community, share collections and stories locally, nationally and internationally through exhibition interpretation and online access,

40:22provide inclusive, accessible, interactive and enlightening experiences, nurture interest and engagement in history, art and culture, and cultivate a connection to place with focus on the tangible and intangible cultural landscape she made.

40:37Wow. So that is why we exist.

40:41The strategic directions that we agreed to in 2021 were to adapt to meet community needs, address opportunities and foster transformational change, innovate to advance knowledge and cultivate creativity.

40:59My favorite line ever in any strategic plan represent the full and truthful stories of our community from perspectives as plentiful and diverse as the community itself and amplify voices that have traditionally been underrepresented,

41:14connect citizens to opportunities and people to each other and grow community movement and participation in art and heritage activities, build the profile of the local cultural sector,

41:25increase opportunities for artists and boost economic impact through culture contributing to a prosperous community.

41:33So those are the directions that have really guided the work that we've done through museum cultural past three or four years.

41:41In reviewing that plan, 67% of those objectives are community 26% of the net percent.

41:49So if I'm doing my math right, that's 93% completed and well on the road. So it is definitely time to refresh.

42:00So the highlights include the merging of museum and culture departments, the establishment of the culture plan 2030, the updated public art policy, the initiation of the civic museum renovations, the increased diversification and representation in programming and staff

42:20composition and upgrading museum gift shops. And that might look like a little tag on to the end, but what I have to say about upgrading museum gift shops is the way we've upgraded it is providing more commissions and opportunities for local artists that

42:40and to provide wealth centric merchandise for community to raise the brand of the civic wealth. So, so while it's a little line there it does it does punch.

42:52And so that's reconciling the past reimagining the future and that is, as I mentioned a plan that will be on near the top of our agenda to refresh.

43:04So I did want to talk a little bit about community museums in Ontario, because this committee does have a role in approving reviewing and approving our policies.

43:15And so community museums in Ontario are custodians interpreters of Ontario's heritage collections.

43:23They are we created ventic unique experiences in our communities through connections to historic collections and stories.

43:32And community museums contribute to collective awareness and pride of place and contribute to the economic well being Ontario communities attracting more than 3 million visitors annually at wealth museums we attract just short of right now just short of 30,000 visitors.

43:48annually.

43:50So the Community Museum operating grant is an annual statutory grant program that's administered under regulation 877 of the Ontario Heritage Act.

44:00It's meant to augment and encourage local support for eligible community museums and to raise the level of professionalism in the Ontario museum sector.

44:09The province invests nearly $5 million to support 160 community museums across Ontario through Seabod.

44:16So each year we receive about $49,000. We have received $49,000 and 16 cents exactly.

44:24Sorry 49,000 and $16 exactly for about the past 20 years.

44:31So what you know about this program is that that $5 million threshold has not increased in about two decades.

44:42It is now closed to other museums coming in. So we're very lucky to be in that program. It's a closed program now and there is growing effort by the Ontario Museum Association and Ontario museums to try to raise that level of investment.

45:01So you may be hearing about those efforts as we move forward. We feel very fortunate to be able to rely on that funding every year.

45:13To achieve that funding, we do need to make the standards that are set out by the Ontario Ministry of Tourism, Culture and Gaming.

45:22So those standards include governance. There's standards for governance, finance, collection, exhibition, interpretation of education, research, conservation, physical plant, community and human resources.

45:39And then there are initiatives that the government, the Ontario government expects us to undertake and to prove that we're meeting standards that kind of encompass like would encompass multiple of those standards.

45:57And this year, for instance, we have had to submit a digital strategy that responds to the community and the collection standards, recognizing the increasing importance of digital presence in this environment.

46:16And so each of those standards comes with policy. Those who were on the Museum Advisory Committee will recall that we recently updated the collections policy, the collection management policy.

46:31The others have not been updated, reviewed and updated in some time. So this is the exciting work that you've looked forward to in the months ahead.

46:43And then just to talk a little bit about the public art policy as well. At the same time that we did the Culture Plan, we did a review of the public art policy.

46:56So the public art policy was initially established in 2011. It was updated in 2014 and then we updated it again in 2023.

47:05Those updates included updates to the policy statement that centered the artist and recognize public art encompasses artistic practice, not the, not just the complete final work.

47:19It also aligned the management of the city's public art collection with the Guelph Museum's collection management processes.

47:28And it recommended regular contributions from the city's operating budget to the public art reserve fund to provide a funding mechanism for acquisitions and commissions.

47:38And identified some other areas of funding that could fund acquisitions. So you know, our annual operating budget does include funding for maintenance of the public art collection, but we don't have money in our operating budget for acquisitions.

47:56And so this policy aims to change that.

48:02So the policy statement is that the city of Guelph recognizes that public art enhances quality of life for citizens, fosters inclusion and belonging, strengthens community pride, improves the aesthetic of the public environment, and contributes to social well-being and economic vitality.

48:19Through the practice of art making and creative expressions and public spaces, artists and the artistic community contribute significantly to the commemoration and celebration of our culture and heritage, reflection of our diversity, expression of shared values, and definition of our unique identity.

48:37Public art advances Guelph's city-building objective to grow and care for our community spaces and places.

48:46And so within the public art policy, it covers the roles of staff, roles of this committee, roles of callings in other departments of the city.

48:58It covers funding, selection of art, acquisition and securing of art, those processes, maintenance of public art, storage, deaccessioning, which is the act of taking material out of the collection.

49:15And so I thought that private art and monitoring and evaluation of the policy.

49:20So I thought that what you probably most interested in is the role within the policy, the role of this committee.

49:26So you will be responsible for advising on the implementation of the policy, reviewing proposed project scope in terms of reference for each new public art project, and sharing application of established procedures and guidelines for each selection process,

49:43including communication and outreach of the policy to the community, advising and recommending to city staff on proposed gifts, donations at the quest to the city, in accordance with established guidelines, advising on the development and implementation of selection,

49:59acquisition, maintenance, and deaccession of artistic works to which the policy applies, and reviewing the public art operational plan, which is the next piece that we are working on to basically operationalize this policy.

50:13And so finally, just very specifically, the work that lays ahead for us over the next few months, our current initiatives is we continue to implement the culture plan 2030 and monitor and evaluate it.

50:29So I think at the next meeting, our agenda will focus on an evaluation of what we've achieved so far in that culture plan.

50:38And we will be seeking your advice on what we need to prioritize moving forward.

50:46We will hot on the heels of that probably in the fall, look at developing a new strategic operating plan for museums and culture that aligns to the culture plan.

50:57Those museum policy updates that need to happen, those will be forthcoming, we will parse them out. So it's not too overwhelming all at once.

51:06There will be a new public art operational plan for you to review and advise on.

51:11There is a public art project at Wealth Police headquarters that is forthcoming, those on Pank are well familiar with it because the public art advisory committee did approve the framework for that project and implementation is set to begin this year.

51:30Right, Jim.

51:32And then finally, the Wealth 200, the bicentennial initiative will be kicking off the community working. There is a community working group focused on that work that is just being developed right now.

51:45But I am sure there's going to be some intersection between the work that community working group does and the advice that you want. You will want to provide on how we acknowledge that last.

51:59So I think that's the end of my presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have.

52:04I had a question about the relationships between working groups and advisory committees.

52:14Yeah, both in terms of membership.

52:17Yeah, that's actually how we are going to intersect.

52:21Yeah, so this advisory committee is advisory committee of council. So about the pleasure of council. Your relationship is when council through staff.

52:33Community working group is an independent committee that actually serves at the pleasure. That's the right term of the deputy CEO of public services.

52:44So council has approved a budget and framework for bicentennial and now a community working group and the development community working group now has been instituted to

52:56operationalize bicentennial. So there isn't a direct relationship between the community working group council. It is kind of a it's a staff initiative right now.

53:07So I do anticipate that there will be some intersection because the bicentennial isn't just about arts and culture, although I think it will be a year that is rich in our and culture possibilities and presentations, including potentially, you know,

53:25some of the ideas that have come up to commemorate the bicentennial are things like legacy public art pieces. And so those initiatives, those types of initiatives that fall under the purview of this advisory committee will come to this committee.

53:42Does that help?

53:44Yeah.

53:50Any other questions?

53:55Thanks everybody. So if we have no other questions, we'll move on. We just have one more item of business and that's the election of a chair and vice chair. Okay.

54:05The role of the chair is really to guide the committee through the meeting via the agenda with support from staff liaisons in the clerk's office. So very similar to what I'm doing here today.

54:15Next item on the agenda. Okay committee. Let's talk about this one and move motion on that. So I know there are some members who participated in other committees and maybe interested.

54:24But this is open to everybody. If you were part of a committee and you've got great experience as chair or vice chair, feel free to put your hand up if you're new and you want to do it as well.

54:34Feel free to do it that way. I will let everybody know that this appointment to chair and vice chair will be until November of 2026, which is what all of your terms and on this committee.

54:45The reason that happens at that time is because there is a municipal election at that time. Committee members cannot transverse over the election would need to be reappointed. Not to say that you won't be reappointed.

54:56We actually anticipate that if you enjoy yourself, you would reapply and want to be reappointed, but it's just a normal process that we go through. So your term would be for what is it roughly 15 months or something at that time for himself.

55:08I'll look to the committee if anyone wants to nominate themselves or another for the chair position.

55:14I just have a question. Are there any other members who are on the committee that aren't here right now?

55:20We are missing one member at this time. Let me, their name is Scarlett.

55:25So they did indicate via email earlier today that they would be unavailable.

55:30Yeah.

55:31So nominate Scarlett.

55:33So I'll do another fall. Is anyone interested?

55:40Not seeing a hand at the moment. Okay. So what we can do is I will say we will require one to operate the meeting. Okay.

55:48But can anticipate or can appreciate that.

55:51Maybe you don't want to do that right now, but your hand up. So what we'll do is we'll include this item on the next agenda.

55:57It'll be the first item on the agenda and allow everyone about a month to contemplate whether they're interested or not.

56:03Reach out if you have any questions, that sort of thing. Like I said, we're here to support.

56:08We will, we can sit right beside you too.

56:10Okay. You got to say this. We can even prepare speaking notes.

56:13If you wish.

56:15That's where the clerk's office can come in and really help guide you through that process if you're interested.

56:20Yeah.

56:21Is it really just at the meeting going through and naming?

56:24So I can do a real quick example.

56:27It's the chair and call the meeting to order. I have the land acknowledgement. I read the land acknowledgement disclosure.

56:33If you're interested, anyone know you like and we'll take a minute.

56:37You don't have to do anything right. And then confirmation of minutes from the last meeting. I need a mover.

56:43So-and-so I need a seconder so-and-so all in favor.

56:47And that's that's really it. Right.

56:49Somebody else is taking the minutes.

56:50Yeah. Oh yeah. That's that's clerk's office staff. We're taking minutes. You're not presenting.

56:54You're not doing any presentation material. You're just help guiding everyone through.

56:59And when we get to items for discussion, you'll probably see multiple hands.

57:03Okay. I'm going to recognize someone so first one.

57:05And now over here, that's really all you're doing as a chair.

57:08Okay.

57:09So maybe that helped. And I'll ask one last time.

57:14Some question. Yeah.

57:15What's the role of the assistant?

57:17So the vice chair does the exact same stuff in the absence of the chair.

57:21So if the chair is unable to attend a meeting, they support,

57:24or if the chair has like a conflict of interest and has to remove themselves from that particular item on an agenda,

57:29the vice chair would jump in and just support on that one item. Okay.

57:33So just to back up. They do all the same things.

57:35The other thing I will mention is there's a little bit more of a time commitment once a month.

57:40Prior to the meeting, we will set up about a 30 minute meeting,

57:46virtual meeting with you to just discuss the agenda to say, Hey, we've got these items.

57:50We expect it to go this way. Here are the motions.

57:53If you have any questions, should we reorder anything?

57:56Do you need help with wording on anything like that?

57:58Or can we prepare a script for you on this item?

58:00That sort of stuff just to support you as the chair.

58:03So we don't do that for you as well on a monthly basis.

58:06So we would need about half an hour of your time extra per month.

58:10Okay.

58:11Just a clarification of terms.

58:14Is a motion the same as a resolution?

58:17A resolution is a motion that has been confirmed through a vote,

58:24a majority vote of the committee.

58:26Okay.

58:27So you would, you'll have a recommendation so that it does the stage.

58:30You'll have a recommendation, which would probably be written by staff.

58:33You'll turn that recommendation into a motion that becomes a motion when you have a mover and the seconder.

58:39The motion is then we call it on the floor, but it's up for debate and discussion.

58:43And then you take a vote on that motion.

58:45And if it is confirmed in the positive, then it becomes a resolution of the committee.

58:51So just depending on where it is.

58:53And I just agree with Christian.

58:56Yeah.

58:57So the chair and my chair, my chair, both are absent on that day.

59:02We will step in and we will help you navigate that.

59:05There is procedural bylaw rules on how that works and we will help that.

59:09And you don't have to worry about that.

59:11That's why we're here.

59:12Okay.

59:13So I can nominate myself for the white chair.

59:16And like, I'm expecting a baby in October.

59:25So maybe I might be, so I might be able to be in that time.

59:30Sure.

59:31Yeah.

59:32So, but still I can nominate myself for the white chair.

59:34Okay.

59:35Let's see if we can get a nomination for the chair, but I appreciate them come right back to you first.

59:39For chair or for vice chair.

59:46Would you like, yes.

59:47For sure.

59:48For chair.

59:49Okay.

59:50Okay.

59:51And it was Madeline.

59:52Yes.

59:53Madeline, my experience is I was a chair for a council, the university's records manager group, which was very relaxed, not as I hope this is a very relaxed.

1:00:03Yeah, I knew it.

1:00:04I think more in the sense of like, we didn't have motions or resolutions.

1:00:08It was just, yeah.

1:00:09We will help you with the wall.

1:00:11If anything, the items for each agenda was like basically nothing and I had to talk to get people to talk.

1:00:18But that's my experience of chairing a committee.

1:00:21So I would put my name.

1:00:22Okay.

1:00:23Now I have to ask, is there anyone else interested in chair before we do the vote?

1:00:29Not seeing any hands.

1:00:30Okay.

1:00:31So then I will act as the chair in this.

1:00:33One question.

1:00:34Yeah, sure.

1:00:35Who do you think Scarlett's goals were?

1:00:36Because Scarlett was vice chair.

1:00:38I was former chair of PAC and I don't really, it doesn't really matter to me.

1:00:42I think the chair's job, a lot of it is to get everyone else's voices into the content.

1:00:49So it's just curious about Scarlett's goals.

1:00:52Yeah, I haven't had a conversation with Scarlett.

1:00:55Okay.

1:00:56Nor have we heard anything.

1:00:57But what I may mention is if you're anticipating to take maybe a period of time off while you get to enjoy life with a new member, we could appoint a vice chair in an interim capacity.

1:01:09Great.

1:01:10The way the motion will read to is that the chair will be the chair until November of 2026 or unless a successor is appointed.

1:01:19So if there was a desire to switch at some point, we can facilitate that as well.

1:01:23Okay.

1:01:24I'll just throw that.

1:01:25I'm sorry.

1:01:26I had an introduction.

1:01:27So chair and vice chair, they can resign anytime you want.

1:01:31Of course.

1:01:32Yes.

1:01:33Yeah, but you're not, we're not asking you, ideally you stay till November of 2026.

1:01:37No, I'm just kidding.

1:01:38I'm just kidding.

1:01:39I can't say that.

1:01:40We're going to go to the other side.

1:01:41We're interested in this.

1:01:42Yeah.

1:01:43So we want this to be less formal than what council would be.

1:01:47So if it works for everybody, we can make it.

1:01:49Yeah.

1:01:50Okay.

1:01:51So let's go back.

1:01:52We have Madeleine for chair.

1:01:53I didn't see any other hands.

1:01:54So that was the chair here and we need a mover.

1:01:56Not that you move the motion to nominate yourself.

1:01:58Excellent.

1:01:59Thank you.

1:02:00Need a seconder veggie.

1:02:02Thank you.

1:02:03Okay.

1:02:04So now what I will ask, is there anyone opposed to Madeleine being the chair?

1:02:08No.

1:02:09So that carries.

1:02:10And that's it.

1:02:11Unanimously.

1:02:12Okay.

1:02:13Yes.

1:02:14Thank you.

1:02:15And is it.

1:02:16Yes.

1:02:17Yes.

1:02:18Thank you.

1:02:19Now,

1:02:20if anyone else wants to be vice chair.

1:02:22No.

1:02:23Excellent. Yes, sir. Would you move the motion? Thank you. Need a seconder?

1:02:29Thank you. Okay. Now anyone oppose to yes or being by sure?

1:02:35Excellent. The motion passes. Yeah. That's it. That's a chair.

1:02:39For us, that's a chair. Okay.

1:02:42And then the last thing on here is just adjourn the meeting.

1:02:44I will help. I need a mover to adjourn the meeting. Madeline,

1:02:47can I pick you as a mover? Thank you.

1:02:49Yes, I'm going to pick you as seconder for that adjournment. Yeah. Thank you.

1:02:52Anyone opposed? Excellent. Meeting is adjourned.

1:02:556.04 PM. Appreciate it.

1:02:58Thanks so much. That's it.

1:03:04So just to ask a few questions for you.

1:03:08Is it possible to meet in the Margaret MacKinnon room so that folks don't have

1:03:13to come through the?

1:03:15The only reason I would advise against it is because their tech is not great.

1:03:18Oh, okay. Now, what I will ask is,

1:03:21was there an issue trying to get back here?

1:03:24Well, I would say like the door was locked when we all got here,

1:03:28but I think it's because security is new. Okay. And then there,

1:03:33do our committee members all need visitor badges?

1:03:36Because that did take some time. Yes, but I had supplied them with material previous.

1:03:40Okay. And they just had, they had,

1:03:43allow us to work with them to make sure that facilitation goes a little bit

1:03:47smoother. But our anticipation is that you should be able to say,

1:03:50Hey, I'm here for X committee meeting.

1:03:52They should hand you a badge like you've got and you just walk right back here.

1:03:55Okay. If it doesn't work, we'll look at alternatives,

1:03:58but allow us to work with staff to make that a better process for you to feel

1:04:01like. Okay.

1:04:02And security can unlock that door for them to the back. Okay.

1:04:07Okay. And I should mention, sorry, we have the next meeting scheduled July

1:04:1224th. Okay. But you'll see information from us shortly.

1:04:16And then if you can't make it, we just send any note.

1:04:18We would have appreciate notification.

1:04:21The reason being is because we don't have forum, which is at least why then we

1:04:25would cancel the meeting. So I would like to place our time.

1:04:27So if you could send us notification, if you can't come, that would be

1:04:30appreciated, but we understand things happen. You might not feel like we can

1:04:33always attend remotely. Yes. Yes. Like when he has,

1:04:37please feel free to attend remotely. I will say if you barred,

1:04:41we appreciate cameras on it. I think it helps facilitate the discussion. It seems,

1:04:45you know, I want to speak, I'm moving a motion. I vote the affirmative, that

1:04:48sort of stuff. But again, understand, you know, if you need camera off,

1:04:52purchase, spitting, that's the thing.

1:04:55What's the format? What are, maybe that's not the right word, but it's

1:05:00probably not just doing it. Teams.

1:05:02We use Microsoft Teams. Okay. Yeah. We use Microsoft Teams.

1:05:05And if you need any support with that, we're happy to set up like a test for

1:05:08you before you end to make sure we can work.

1:05:09Okay. That would be great.

1:05:11You can also, for example, we'll turn this on about half an hour before the

1:05:14meeting starts. You want to log in, make sure it works. Log back down.

1:05:17We'll do all of this.

1:05:19I'm good.

1:05:21Just who are we messaging if we can't be at the next meeting?

1:05:24Was it? Ideally, it's the advisory.

1:05:26If you just log up.c.

1:05:27It's just that cool email.

1:05:28Yeah, that works. But anyone that you have contact with, we will make

1:05:33sure the information gets to the next meeting.

1:05:35Okay. So we end up sending some family.

1:05:38Yeah, if it's used to more direct, but now it's a little indirect.

1:05:41Let us, I know this is a little different than, because quite honestly,

1:05:44if I heard Tammy and folks ran the stuff really well at the museum.

1:05:47So I feel like we're jumping in a little bit, but I hope we find value in why we're here.

1:05:53So we don't want it to be burdensome or for over complicated because we're

1:05:59asking you to do it differently.

1:06:00I hope that you'll find that because we are here, we can support you and find

1:06:05more than what you have.

1:06:07Okay.

1:06:08Four timely agendas.

1:06:09Four timely meetings.

1:06:11Yeah, we'll take on all that sort of thing.

1:06:13Yeah.

1:06:13So, um, so we're just coming to make this a part of both chair and vice chair.

1:06:18Sorry, I said that the extra three.

1:06:20Yeah. Yeah.

1:06:21So we would invite both of you and really just so you both know, let's say

1:06:25that, you know, the chair has an unexpected leave that they can't make the

1:06:28meeting, at least vice chairs already well first on what's going to happen at the

1:06:32same, that sort of thing.

1:06:33And we'll set it to work for your schedule.

1:06:35So if there's a date and time that always works Thursday afternoon, Monday

1:06:38morning, whatever it is, we'll make it work.

1:06:40Okay.

1:06:42Thanks so much everybody.

1:06:43Enjoy your evening.

1:06:44Thanks for coming with us.

1:06:49I'm going to the ballroom.

1:06:54There you go.

1:06:55Oh, family.

1:06:58Go to home.

1:07:02See you.

1:07:02Go out, please.

1:07:03Get the memories of the ballroom starting.

1:07:09You guys know my mood between so we don't want to hear it.