Committee of Adjustment

0:49Good afternoon. As this is the first hearing of the new term of the committee,

0:53I'll be acting chair for the first part of the hearing until the election of the chair and vice chair positions have been completed.

1:00So I'd like to call to order the January 11th,

1:082024 hearing of the Guelph Committee of Adjustment.

1:11This hearing is being held in a hybrid format with attendees appearing in person or remotely and is being live streamed and recorded.

1:19Please be advised that public hearings form part of the public record

1:24and the words, names or images of those participating will be recorded and posted online.

1:29Regrets have been received from member good fellow who will not be in attendance today and there is quorum to proceed.

1:35Before I outline the hearing format, if you wish to speak to an application that's listed on the agenda and have not submitted a request in advance of this hearing,

1:44please call the number displayed on the screen now, which is 519-822-1260 extension 2524 and you will receive instructions on how to participate.

1:56A final call for delegations will be made when each application is called.

2:01The agenda for this hearing has been hosted online at guelph.ca forward slash c o f a.

2:09I will remind all committee members and staff participating in the hearing to please mute your microphones when not in use.

2:15Applicants will be unmuted when their application is called.

2:19I'd also like to share the hearing format we will be using to navigate through each application.

2:24Each application will be called by the secretary treasure and the call in number for those wishing to speak to an application will be displayed on the screen.

2:32Afterwards, the applicant will be given an opportunity to add anything further to their application to a maximum of 10 minutes.

2:39You will hear a chime when there's 30 seconds left and another one 10 minutes has elapsed.

2:45If you are an applicant and have nothing further to add, then you can simply say so.

2:50The committee will then be able to ask questions to the applicant or staff.

2:55After that, we will hear from members of the public who wish to comment on the application.

2:59Please note that all comments should be addressed through the chair.

3:02Please avoid repeating concerns already stated by others and focus on adding new information.

3:09Comments are limited to 10 minutes or less.

3:11You will hear a chime when there is 30 seconds left and another one that 10 minutes has elapsed.

3:17Any members of the public who have submitted a request to speak prior to the hearing will be the first involved to provide comments.

3:24For those watching the hearing online, if you wish to speak to an application and have not submitted a request in advance of the hearing,

3:31please call the number displayed on the screen now.

3:34For those attending the hearing in person, you will also be given a chance to come forward to the podium and address the committee.

3:41Once all the comments from the public have been heard, the applicant or staff will be given the opportunity to respond to comments.

3:48Finally, the chair will turn to the committee for a motion and deliberation as well as a vote on the application.

3:53When the committee is making a decision on an application, the chair will be asking the secretary treasurer to conduct the vote by roll call.

4:01The secretary treasurer will call each of the members' names and each member will respond if they are in favor or opposed to the motion

4:07and the chair will announce the result of the vote.

4:13If you wish to receive a copy of a decision on an application, including information about the appeal procedure, you must submit a written request.

4:22A written request can be made by contacting staff using the contact information shown on the screen.

4:27To receive a copy of the decision, please email cofa at glove.ca with your name and the file number you are interested in.

4:35Please note that owners and applicants automatically receive a copy of the decision.

4:44I'll ask that member Balaban provide the indigenous territorial acknowledgement.

4:50Thank you.

4:52As we gather, let us take time to reflect on our privilege to live and work in Guelph, a city built over rich indigenous histories.

5:01We are guests here and

5:03we should reflect upon the responsibility

5:07to care for this land, the people who live here today, and the generations to come.

5:12If our actions today can move us towards reconciliation, we should take pause and make these decisions with intention and gratitude.

5:22This place we call Guelph has served as

5:25traditional lands and a place of refuge for many peoples over time, but more specifically

5:31the Atawanda Rang and the Haudenosaunee.

5:35This land is held as treaty lands and territory with the Mississaugas of the Credit First Nations.

5:42Guelph lies directly adjacent to the Haldeman track and is part of the long

5:47long established traditional hunting ground for the six nations of the Grand River.

5:52Many First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples who have come from across Turtle Island

5:59call Guelph home today.

6:04Thank you member Balaban. The next item on the agenda is the annual election of the chair and vice chair for 2024.

6:12At this time, I'd like to invite a motion from the floor to appoint a member as the 2024 chair effective immediately.

6:22I move that we appoint a chair for this this year

6:26for this committee.

6:29Member Spears, did you have a nomination you'd like to make a particular person in mind? Yes, I'd like to nominate James Smith for chair.

6:37Okay, thank you. That's been moved. Is there a seconder for that?

6:42Member Sear has seconded that. Thank you. Is there any other nominations for the position of chair?

6:51It doesn't appear to be so. So before calling the vote, I'll ask if member Smith accepts that nomination.

6:58Yes, I do.

6:59Thank you. Is there any discussion on this before we take a vote?

7:04I don't see any. Okay, I'll now call the vote. Those in favor, please raise your hands of member Smith as chair.

7:14That's been carried. Congratulations, Chair Smith.

7:18Thank you, Madam Secretary Treasurer.

7:21So now I'd like to invite a motion from the floor to appoint a member as the 2024 vice chair effective immediately. Is there a mover

7:29nomination for that position?

7:31Chair Smith, I would like to nominate member Sears as vice chair.

7:37Okay, thank you. That's been moved. Is there a seconder for that?

7:41Member Spears, okay. Member Spears has seconded that.

7:45Is there any other nominations for vice chair?

7:53Don't see any. Any

7:55discussion on that and I'll ask if

7:59member Sear accepts that nomination for vice chair.

8:04Yes, I will. Thank you.

8:06Thank you, member Sear. Okay, I'll now call the vote. Those in favor, please raise your hands in favor of member Sear as vice chair.

8:14All right, that's been carried. Okay. Congratulations, member Sear.

8:19Thank you.

8:21So now that the election is complete, I'll now pass the position of chair over to

8:26Chair Smith and we'll take a few moments for him to get settled in the chair's position.

8:46Thank you, Madam Secretary Treasurer and good afternoon. Welcome to

8:512024 and

8:53the Committee of Adjustment Hearings.

8:59At this point, I'd like to ask if there are any disclosures of the canary interest to be declared.

9:07Member Sears.

9:10Yes, I'm an employee of Metrolinks and Metrolinks has submitted

9:17comments and submissions on

9:20some files today. So I wanted to declare that and recuse myself from

9:25a consideration of those files.

9:29A86 slash 23,

9:32A2 slash 24,

9:36A4 slash 24

9:39and A5 slash 24.

9:46Thank you. So as you're attending this hearing remotely, I would ask that you

9:53turn off your camera when we

9:56consider these

9:58applications and that you don't comment or participate and then you can rejoin once those hearings have been had.

10:07Okay. Yeah, that's fine. Thank you.

10:14At this point, we need a motion to accept the minutes of the December 14th meeting.

10:25Member Spears. I move that we accept the minutes of the previous meeting.

10:30And seconded by member Sears.

10:32All those in favor?

10:36Carried. I've confirmed with the secretary treasurer that we do have some deferral

10:46requests for today's meeting and I will turn over to Madam Secretary Treasurer to address these.

10:57Thank you, Chair. There are a few deferral requests for this evening.

11:03First, there were two applications that were listed under the deferral section of the revised agenda.

11:09That first one is deferral of file A-4 slash 24 for 22 Neve Street to allow the applicant to address the non-compliant exterior

11:20side yard setback.

11:21And I believe the owners are in attendance this evening via video.

11:27Sorry, did you say via video?

11:31Welcome. Are you available? Is the applicant available?

11:36Hello. Can you hear me okay?

11:39Yes, I can. Welcome. And can you state your name for the record please?

11:44I'm Brynley Terry. And I'm Phillip Terry.

11:49And have you read staff's comments regarding the deferral and are you in agreement?

11:54I don't know if we saw those.

12:04I don't think we got an email with any comments.

12:10Staff has recommended that your application be deferred to a later date. Are you in agreement?

12:18What are the implications of the deferral?

12:27That we would not be hearing your application at this meeting and that you could come back to a later meeting once the

12:36you have met with city staff or had conversations with city staff and have gone forward

12:44and want to come back at a later date.

12:47Which city staff would we have to talk with?

12:58Well, generally speaking it would be whomever you've been speaking with

13:06at the planning department or the building department.

13:10Have you had conversations with city staff?

13:13Yeah, we've met with the planning department over the past few months

13:20to go through this application.

13:25And I guess this has put me a little bit on my back foot. Generally a deferral is

13:34the applicant has either considered the deferral and wants to go forward or accepts

13:42staff's recommendations that we do defer the application. So I'm a little unclear how we're

13:48going to proceed. Are you saying that you do not want a deferral?

13:57No, we don't want to defer this.

14:00I don't understand the options so it sounds like we have to defer.

14:08If you just give me one moment to confer with our secretary, treasurer.

14:12Chair Smith, if I might add, so there was an email circulated to applicants last Friday

14:18with a copy of the comments that staff had provided. So you would have received an email

14:23with the staff comments. If you didn't receive that we can certainly make sure that

14:27you have that information. But what I would maybe suggest if you didn't

14:33receive that in advance is that we kind of proceed to go forward. You can ask, usually the

14:38applicant has 10 minutes to speak to the committee. So if you have some questions,

14:41perhaps staff can maybe further address the reasons for deferral. There was a missing

14:46variance that was identified, but we can go into some further explanation on that.

14:53Thank you, Madam Secretary Treasurer. I believe that Ms. Pencer has some more information.

15:00Yeah, through the chair and just to the applicants, at the review of the minor variance drawing,

15:05an additional variance was required for an exterior side yard setback. It's under,

15:12unfortunately, the 1995 zoning bylaw and that wasn't captured. So if you moved forward with

15:19this variance application tonight, there were no concerns with the variance that was requested,

15:26but it's still missing one variance that would need to be approved to move forward with the

15:33building permit. So I'll just continue. So a deferral would just allow you to add that variance

15:44and then come back next meeting. I see. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Sorry, I was confused what the

15:50deferral meant. Yeah. Thank you. And yeah, if we could get that email, please. We never received that.

16:01So it, first of all, it sounds like you didn't see the email that was sent

16:09and our Secretary Treasurer has confirmed it was sent. So perhaps there may have been

16:15in some glitch somewhere. However, did you understand what city staff were just saying now that

16:26your drawings only encapsulate, it sounds like, one part of the variance and that you would have

16:32to come back with the second. So a very, pardon me, a deferral would mean that you'd be able to

16:37capture all of this and only come back once and not have to address it today. And then a subsequent

16:43meeting. Do you understand that? Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. So I'll circle back and ask if you

16:52are in agreement for a deferral. Yes, we're in agreement. Okay. I'm glad we were able to clear

17:00that up. So committee members, I'm looking for motion. I move that file a-4-24 be deferred.

17:19We have a seconder. Member Spears. Okay, this is a deferral motion. So we have no discussion.

17:29And at this point, I will turn it over to the Secretary Treasurer for a vote.

17:36Thank you, Chair. Committee members, please indicate your vote by responding in favor or opposed

17:41to the motion, which is to defer the application. Chair Smith. In favor. Member Balaban. In favor.

17:49And Member Spears. In favor. That's carried, Chair. Thank you. Your motion, your pardon me,

17:57your application has been deferred and you're free to leave the meeting and we hope to see you again

18:03soon. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Madam Secretary Treasurer, may we have the next deferral request?

18:19Thank you, Chair. The second deferral request is for file a-6-24 for 1888 Gordon Street.

18:30The staff is recommending deferral in order to allow the applicant time to clarify their

18:35proposal and meet with staff and address the condominium approval. There also was correspondence

18:41received after the comment deadline from the agent of the application supporting the deferral

18:46recommendation and that correspondence has been circulated to the committee members and staff.

18:52I also have been advised that the agent will not be in attendance this evening.

19:00So there is no applicant or agent in attendance, so we will move right and given their late

19:09comments that they were in agreement with the deferral, we'll go right into that.

19:15So I'm looking to my colleagues for a motion. I move that we accept the deferral request on this file.

19:24And we have a seconder. Member Bellamann, there is no debate on the deferral and so we will pass this

19:33over to our Secretary Treasurer for a vote. Committee members, please indicate your vote by

19:40responding in favor or opposed to the motion which is to approve our defer sorry defer the application.

19:47Chair Smith. In favor. Member Bellamann. In favor. Member Sayer.

19:54In favor. And Member Spears. In favor. That's carried, Chair. Thank you. The motion has been

20:01deferred to a subsequent meeting. Madam Secretary Treasurer, may we have the first application?

20:11Chair Smith, we actually do have one other deferral request that we've received.

20:15So additionally, we have received a request to defer file A-8-24 for 93 Hayes Avenue.

20:26The applicant has requested deferral in order to allow them time to revise their application

20:32to address the exterior stair variants. I do believe that the agent is in attendance this evening via video.

20:44Thank you. Is the agent or applicant available?

21:05Chair Smith, I can confirm that the agent is in the meeting. They just need to turn their video on.

21:14We will stand by. So for a change, it's not us that has to adjust their set. It's someone else.

21:56I'm wondering if you can unmute yourself. It sounds it seems like you're in the meeting,

22:02but we can't hear you. There. Can you hear me now? We can indeed. Welcome. May you state your name for

22:09the record, please? It's Bill Birdsell, and I'm the applicant for the application. And have you

22:18read staff's comments about deferral and are you in agreement? Yes, I'm in agreement. Thank you.

22:26You do have 10 minutes if you wanted to add anything? No, no, no, I'm in agreement. This relates to the

22:36exterior concrete stair, and we would like that dealt with at the same time. So we'll ask for a deferral.

22:45That's great. Thank you. If you want to stand by, I'll see if any of my colleagues have any questions.

22:54Seeing none, I will accept a motion on this deferral.

23:01Member Sayers. Yes, I move to defer the application to a subsequent hearing.

23:08And we have a seconder. Member Ballerman.

23:13As there is no debate on a deferral, I will turn it over to the Secretary-Treasurer for our vote.

23:19Madam Secretary-Treasurer. Thank you, Chair. Committee members, please indicate your vote

23:25by responding in favor or opposed to the motion, which is to defer the application. Chair Smith.

23:31In favor. Member Ballerman. In favor. Member Serre. In favor. And Member Spears. In favor. That's

23:40Cary Chair. Thank you. Your application has been deferred, and you're free to leave the meeting.

23:46You're welcome. Madam Secretary-Treasurer, may we have the first application of 2024, please?

24:07The first application is file B-1-23, consent to create one new industrial lot with one retained

24:15industrial lot at 280 Speedvale Avenue West. I'll also note that for those watching online,

24:22if you wish to speak to this application, you can do so by calling the number displayed on the

24:27screen. That number is 519-822-1260, extension 2524. And when you call in, staff will give you

24:35instructions on how you can delegate remotely via phone. Is the applicant available? Are they remote?

24:57Can you hear me? We can hear you. Yes. Can you state your name and your

25:05association to the application for the record, please? Certainly can, Mr. Chairman. The last

25:10name is Costolo. It's C-O-S-T-E-L-L-O. The first initial is E for Eileen. I'm a solicitor at

25:17Erich Burles, LLP. And I do apologize. I'm glad you can hear me because I seem to be having

25:24a little bit of an issue with my video, which if I can just take one more moment, hopefully.

25:31Ah, there. Can you see me? We can see you and hear you. So our technology is

25:41making leaps and bounds. It bodes well for 2024, Mr. Chairman.

25:48So I need to ask you if the sign was posted as per the Planning Act. It was, Mr. Chairman.

25:55Thank you. And you have 10 minutes to address the committee if you would like to make use of that.

26:02Thank you very much. I won't take the full 10. I'll just provide some brief remarks. Mr. Chairman,

26:08I'm here on behalf of Linnemar Corporation, which is an established, well-established and

26:13long-standing industrial and employment operator in the municipality. The site, which is the subject

26:20of this application, is currently used by Traxel, which is a division of Linnemar,

26:24which specializes in the manufacture of high-quality automotive parts. The purpose of this application,

26:30Mr. Chairman, is to optimize these existing lands, which are designated and zoned for employment

26:36purposes, by severing what is a vacant and underutilized portion of the property.

26:41And that is shown as the conveyed lot or part one in the application that is before you,

26:47to allow for a future development opportunity. It's important to note that there are no changes

26:51proposed to the existing building, the existing parking configurations, the existing access to

26:58the site, all of which comply with the City of Guelph's zoning permissions. And it's also

27:05important to note that the resulting lot, which would be the part one lot to be severed in the

27:10application, also complies with the City of Guelph's zoning regulations as it relates to

27:16frontage lot area and those other important requirements. I've had an opportunity to review

27:22with my client the January 11th, 2024 staff report. And I commend that report and that

27:30staff recommendation, which is to allow this consent in that it meets the criteria pursuant

27:36to the City of Guelph's official plan and also pursuant to Section 51 of the Planning Act as

27:42it relates to a consent to sever in lieu of a subdivision and staff's recommendation that it

27:48ought to be approved with conditions. I've reviewed with my client and its consultants the conditions

27:55which are set out. I would note that it was identified that there is a variance to the new

28:02City of Guelph's zoning bylaw, the new comprehensive City of Guelph, which is to recognize the existing

28:09landscape buffer on the site. City Planning staff have asked that as a condition of a final

28:15certificate of official for this consent that our client apply for and obtain the variance to

28:21legalize that existing condition. And I can advise the committee that we have already filed that

28:25minor variance application, but can also confirm that we agree to that condition. There were also

28:31a series of conditions from engineering services that are itemized at numbers two through five

28:37on the first and second page of the staff report that's before you. Those all relate to

28:42appropriate conditions related to site grading and servicing and confirming some of those details

28:48with engineering staff. And again, our client consents to those conditions, Mr. Chairman. I

28:53finally just wanted to address for the benefit of the neighbor who did write in, and out of respect

29:00for that neighbor, you'll see there's correspondence in your file, Mr. Chairman, from an area resident.

29:06I won't name the individual. There's no need to, as this is a public hearing, who asked some questions

29:14with respect to how the site that is being created will be used. It is the intention, as is set out

29:20in our application, that this be a future development site for uses that are permitted in the zoning

29:26bylaw. And that would of course be the subject of an application that would go through the city's

29:30process. There is no use intended at as of today. There are questions related to lights, and I can

29:38just share with the committee that there were lights on the existing facility which were actually

29:43stolen, which is odd to me, but did occur, and those lights were recently reinstalled. Our client

29:49has asked the facilities manager for the site to go out and inspect those lights and understand if

29:54they are either brighter than they need to be or have been misdirected to the neighbor's property.

30:01So we're going to undertake a review of that and thank the adjacent neighbor for identifying that

30:07for us. I would note though that I don't think either of those comments pertain to the appropriateness

30:13of the consent application that's before the committee. Other than that, I just wanted on

30:17behalf of our office and our client to thank engineering staff and planning staff at the

30:22City of Guelph. They've been very gracious and helpful as we've moved through these applications,

30:26and I wanted to acknowledge that. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman.

30:29Thank you for your comments, and I'll ask you to stand by to see if any of my colleagues have

30:39any questions for you. Committee members, do you have any questions of this applicant? Seeing none,

30:50I wonder if there are any members of the public either in the gallery or online who wish to speak

30:57to this application. Chair Smith, I can confirm we haven't received any delegation requests.

31:07Thank you. At this point, I'll turn to the committee for

31:15a motion. Do I have a motion? Member Bellaman.

31:20I move that we approve the consent with conditions as recommended by staff.

31:32And do we have a seconder? Member Spears, is there any discussion on the motion before us?

31:44Seeing none, Madam Secretary Treasurer may ask you to call the vote.

31:49Thank you, Chair. Committee members, please indicate your intention to vote

31:54in favor or opposed to the motion, which is to approve the application with the

32:00staff-recommended conditions. Chair Smith. In favor. Member Bellaman. In favor. Member Seyer.

32:08In favor. And Member Spears. In favor. That's carried, Chair.

32:13Your application has been approved and you're free to leave the meeting.

32:18My thanks very much, Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, and thanks to Madam Secretary

32:22Treasurer. Have a good evening. Thank you and the same to you. Madam Secretary Treasurer,

32:32may we have the next application, please? The next application is file-a-86-23

32:44variances to permit reduced front and rear yard setbacks for proposed residential additions

32:50at 35 Hill Crest Drive. For those watching the hearing remotely, if you wish to speak to this

32:56application, you can do so by calling the number displayed on the screen. That number is 519-822-1260

33:04extension 2524. And when you call in, staff will give you instructions on how you can delegate

33:08remotely via phone. Welcome. Can you state your name and your relationship to the application, please?

33:18Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon. Lloyd Grinham from Grinham Architects, and I'm the

33:22agent for this application on behalf of Paul and Helen, who are seated behind me here.

33:29Thank you. And can you tell me if the sign was posted as per the Planning Act?

33:34They both were, actually. Yes, in this case. Awesome. In that case, you have 10 minutes to

33:41address the committee. Thank you. And I don't expect to take 10 minutes for this either. I just

33:48briefly describe it. I think you'll recall we had this deferred from the previous month's application

33:55roster. There were a number of questions from staff, planning and engineering staff, prior to that

34:01meeting, which made sense because it was it's it's a fairly involved application. And I'm very happy

34:09to say we worked through those with staff in conjunction with the owners. There was there were

34:14a number of adjustments made on the applications and reapplication of drawings and submissions.

34:20And in general, I'd say we're quite quite pleased with the outcome of that that exercise and the

34:27deferral efforts that went into that. And the comments received all make good sense. Quite

34:34acceptable to us. So yeah, I think the only I did have a question that came from that. And I'm

34:40apologize. I probably could have put it through to the committee a few days ago. And it's just in

34:45regard to the Metrolinx comments that were included. As I see, there's there's a number of conditions

34:52suggested by engineering prior to building permit, which we had discussed and made sense. I'm just

34:58wanted to make clear that I understand the Metrolinx comments as I I took them to be there.

35:03The really advisory comments on behalf of Metrolinx for future work that might occur. But there

35:11isn't any sort of immediate requirement with this application to satisfy a Metrolinx condition. I

35:16I think that's that's how it reads. But I'm hoping staff, some staff can explain,

35:21confirm that that is in fact the intent of those comments.

35:27Um, normally we break at this point for for comments from the public, but perhaps given

35:35your statement, I could diverge a little bit and ask if staff could answer your question.

35:46Absolutely. Through you, Mr. Chair, I think Mr. Grinum's understanding is correct. The

35:51Metrolinx comments are listed as advisory comments and don't recommend any conditions for the

35:57application. As such, they are just comments and no additional conditions are recommended.

36:04I hope that answers your question. That does. Yes, thank you. Awesome. At this point, I will

36:16ask if there are any members of the audience or folks at home who would like to

36:23comment on this application. Chair Smith, I can confirm we haven't received any delegation requests.

36:33Okay. If you want to wait right there, perhaps committee members may have some questions for you.

36:39Colleagues, do we have any questions of this applicant? Seeing none, I will turn it over to the

36:47committee for a motion. Member Spears. I move we accept this application with the conditions

36:55noted by staff. And do we have a seconder? Member Malabar.

37:02Is there any debate on this motion? Seeing none, Madam Secretary Treasurer, would you do the honors

37:12of a vote? Thank you, Chair. Committee members, please indicate your vote by responding in favor

37:20or opposed to the motion, which is to approve the application with the recommended conditions from

37:26staff. Chair Smith. In favor. Member Balaban. In favor. And Member Spears. In favor.

37:36That's carried, Chair. Your application has been accepted.

37:41Thank you very much. You're welcome. Madam Secretary Treasurer, may we have the next

37:55application, please? The next application is file A-1-24, variances to permit reduced setbacks

38:10for proposed enclosed front porch, attached garage, and rear addition to the existing dwelling at 51

38:17Allis Street. I'll also note for the committee members as well as those attending that correspondence

38:22was received after the comment deadline from the owners with clarification on the application.

38:28That correspondence has been circulated to the committee members and staff as well for those

38:34members of the public watching the hearing remotely. If you wish to speak to this application,

38:39you can do so by calling the number displayed on the screen. That number's 519-822-1260

38:46extension 2524. And when you call in staff, we'll give you instructions on how you can

38:50delegate remotely. Welcome. Can you state your name for the record, please? You'll have to push

39:00the little button to get a green light. There we go. Technology. My name's Ralph Downey and I'm the

39:05applicant. That's great. And was the sign posted as per the Planning Act? It was indeed. And have

39:15you read staff's comments and are you in agreement? We are. In that case, you have 10 minutes to

39:21address the committee. Thank you. So first of all, we'd like to thank staff for reviewing it and

39:27the comments. And we have no problem with those comments. And also, we've been in communication

39:33with the Grand River Conservation Authority and we're working with them to find out what

39:39complications there are. Hopefully not too many. As well as responding to a member of the public

39:45who provided comments. And we have the, you have the copy of the correspondence that we sent to them.

39:51So I think we're, that's about it. I don't have any other comments. I'm available for questions.

40:00Well, that's great. Thank you. If you want to wait right there for a moment

40:05Let me ask if there are any members of the public who wish to speak to this application

40:15Chair Smith, I can confirm we haven't received any delegation requests

40:20Thank you committee members. Do we have any questions of this applicant?

40:28Seeing none, I will turn it over to committee members for a motion

40:36Member Balaban

40:39Do you think that the committee approve file a1-24 with conditions?

40:49The condition says listed. Yes. Thank you. I'm sorry

40:55And we have a seconder

40:58Member Sayers

40:59We have a motion in front of us. Do we have any conversation or debate on this motion?

41:10Seeing none, Madam Secretary Treasurer, would you call the vote please?

41:16Thank you chair committee members. Please indicate your vote by responding in favor or opposed to the motion

41:21Which is to approve the application with the condition recommended by staff

41:27Chair Smith in favor

41:30Member Balaban in favor

41:32Member Sayer

41:33in favor

41:35And member Spears in favor. That's carried chair

41:39Thank you. Your application has been approved. Thank you. You're welcome

41:50Madam Secretary Treasurer may we have the next application please?

42:02The next application is file a-2-24

42:06variances to permit reduced front and side yard setbacks for proposed new detached dwelling and reduced side yard setback for

42:14existing accessory building at one Yorkshire Street South

42:19I'll also note for those attending remotely if you wish to speak to this application

42:23You can do so by calling the number displayed on the screen that number is 519-822-1260

42:30Extension 2524 and when you call in staff will give you instructions to delegate remotely

42:38Thank you. Is the applicant present or are we doing this by video?

42:48To the applicant can you hear us and are you present?

42:53Yes, good afternoon. I'm trying to just turn on my video here for you

43:03There you are. There I am

43:05Can you state your name and your relationship to this application, please?

43:09Yes, thank you. Good afternoon. My name is Odette Gomes. I'm a planner with Arcadis and I'm representing

43:15the property owner

43:17I did have a quick presentation if it's possible just to put it up

43:23We can we can do that certainly and

43:27Can you answer a few technical questions first? Was the sign posted as per the planning act?

43:33Yes, sir. It was

43:35And can you tell me if you've read staff's comments and are you in agreement?

43:40Yes, sir. We have read staff's report and we're here in support of their recommendation for approval with conditions

43:49Thank you. Well at this point you have 10 minutes to embark on your presentation. So, please make use of your time

43:57Thank you very much

43:58So again the property that we're here to discuss this evening is one Yorkshire street south in the city of Guelph if I can have the next slide, please

44:09So the total area is approximately

44:12324 square meters and with a frontage of approximately 8.3 meters onto Yorkshire street

44:18And there is an existing 1.5

44:22Story house on the site currently

44:24Next steps, please next slide, please

44:27So our proposed development just seeks to maximize this residential lot

44:32It's a very narrow lot and by removing the existing dwelling and reutilizing the site to allow for two-story residential building

44:40So the the development basically seeks to maintain a similar building footprint as the existing residential dwelling

44:48As such minimal disturbance to the subject site is expected

44:52Next slide, please

44:54The proposed development is compatible with the uses currently permitted under the existing and proposed zoning bylaw

45:03Including one and two

45:05Family dwellings this type of dwelling form is consistent with what is found in the general area of the subject site

45:12And next slide, please

45:14So in order to ensure an appropriate development some minor variances are being requested

45:19Which are the subject of our application tonight

45:22And these include a minimum front yard setback of two meters from the proposed dwelling

45:27A minimum right to a side yard setback of 0.47

45:32Meters from the proposed dwelling and a minimum left

45:35Side yard setback of 0.1 meters for the existing accessory building

45:41Potential impacts from changing a 1.5 story building to a two-story family

45:47Dwelling will not

45:49Introduce any adverse impacts to the adjacent properties or to the neighborhood

45:54The proposed development conforms to is consistent with and or maintains the intent of the purpose of the applicable planning policies

46:02And legislative documents and is compatible with the existing neighborhood

46:07It is my professional opinion not the proposal represents good planning

46:11And therefore I ask that you approve the application before you tonight and just next slide, please

46:17So I thank you for your time this afternoon, and I'm very happy to answer all of your questions. Thank you

46:25Thank you very much. I appreciate the concise nature of your presentation

46:31Are there any members of the public who would like to

46:35Comment on this application

46:37I've seen none in the gallery

46:40any online

46:44Chair Smith, I can confirm we haven't received any delegation requests for this application. Thank you

46:50Members committee members. Do we have any questions of this applicant?

46:56I have one question and that concerns

47:01the

47:02I guess it's the north side yard

47:06We didn't see any proposed

47:08Nor do we need to but this is more out of curiosity

47:12on that face

47:15That will be

47:16Against the mentor links property. Will there be any unprotected openings there? Is that your plan or will this

47:23Will this satisfy the under protected openings?

47:27Uh, I don't have those details of right now, but all of that obviously will be dealt with

47:33through the the building permit application

47:36And we have received comments from metro links with no issues

47:44Okay, that was my only question. So thank you for that

47:48I don't see any of my colleagues

47:50With any other questions. So at this point, I will entertain a motion

47:59Spears. Yes, I move that we accept this application and approve it

48:05With the conditions

48:07Suggested by staff and other bodies

48:13Is it the staff recommendations

48:15If the staff recommendations, yeah, and I'm not sure if well, there's also electron

48:20There's others there as well as staff. So I would say all of them

48:25So, um, that would

48:29Does that mean the metro links comment? There's an electoral one for it's electoral

48:33So they're all there and the conditions that okay from staff. So those ones, yeah

48:38Okay, uh, do we have a seconder for that member ballaban

48:43Any discussion on this?

48:46Seeing none madam secretary treasurer we call the vote

48:51Thank you chair committee members. Please indicate your vote by responding in favor or opposed to the motion

48:56Which is to approve the application with the four staff conditions recommended by staff and agencies

49:04chair smith

49:05in favor

49:06member ballaban

49:07in favor

49:09And members spears in favor that's carried chair

49:13Your application has been approved and you're free to leave the meeting. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate your time

49:25Madam secretary treasurer may have the next applicant, please

49:36the next and last application is file a-5 slash 24

49:43variances to permit increased number of beds and reduced number of parking spaces for existing emergency shelter at

49:5023 to 25 gordon street

49:53I'll note for those attending remotely if you wish to speak to this application

49:57You can do so by calling the number displayed on the screen the number is 519 822

50:031 2 6 0

50:05extension 25 24 and when you call in staff will give you instructions on how you can delegate remotely via phone

50:14it's

50:18And I need to ask your

50:21Your bona fide use again and can you state those for the record?

50:25Yes, I can thank you. It's loyde grinnum and grinnum architects, and I'm agent for this application

50:31Thank you, and can you tell me if the sign was posted as per the planning act? Yes, they again both signs were posted for this one

50:39And can you tell me if you've read staff's comments and are in agreement?

50:44We have we've received the comments and yes, we are in agreement with staff comments and recommendations

50:52Well, thank you. Once again, you have 10 minutes to address the committee

50:56And again, I don't I don't actually have a presentation plan for this. I think

51:03Let's say the staff comments particularly were were fairly extensive on this one fairly detailed so

51:09From that I'm I'm going to presume that committee members

51:13Saw the documentation submitted and in conjunction with those staff comments

51:19the

51:20variances requested are

51:22Fairly self-explanatory so I think I would probably just move to

51:26questions or

51:29can't remember other comments and then questions but

51:32Yeah, really that's

51:35I don't think there's anything really that we need to

51:40show in terms of

51:41building design and things at this point

51:45Okay, thank you, and if you want to

51:48Wait for a few moments. I'll see if there are members of

51:51the

51:52Excuse me

51:54I'll see if there are any members of the public who wish to speak to this application

51:59I wonder if there's any members of the public who are present. Yes, please come forward

52:19Good afternoon. Welcome. And can you see your name for the record? Please?

52:24You'll have to push the green button to get a green light and then we'll we're good to go. Thank you

52:30Sorry about that

52:31Yeah, my name is john romio

52:35And um, I just had a couple questions. Sure. Um, and you have 10 minutes. Okay. Thank you

52:42Like I found out today about um this meeting with a friend of mine. That's a neighbor are real close by and um

52:51We have a property just three homes away from this um site that you're

52:57Um discussing right now, and I'm just wondering um, what was the process regarding

53:03The circle that you have here?

53:05um on this diagram is this circle of the

53:09um the homeowners that were um sent um

53:16Information regarding this meeting is that fair to say?

53:19Generally that is the case like this circle here. I if you don't mind I'll just hold it up like the circle regarding

53:26the is it 60 meters or

53:29um that involves

53:31Closeness to the site that we're discussing right now

53:34That's the general intent of the now is it 60 meters from

53:39Like all directions of the site or

53:44Generally I will

53:46No, I'm just concerned. I I guess generally what happens is yes, that is that is the uh,

53:52The area in which neighbors are are are alerted to the presence of uh,

53:58Okay

53:59Like I we never received when there were only three homes away from the the property so that I'm just wondering why

54:06um, we never got a notice regarding this

54:09um

54:12Also, um, I live at five gordon street, which is extremely close to um

54:18Um, where the ball's at coffee shop is is that not come within the distance of um

54:23Of what we're discussing here today

54:27I know that the circle touches if you look at the diagram it touches the building and

54:33Can you explain what some of those unit numbers are there where they ones that were um

54:39sent

54:40mail or

54:42Like I'm just looking at it and I I don't see my unit number on on that building is that just

54:49The ones that you have listed on here. Are they the ones that got mail?

54:53That's likely the case, but I'm going to turn over to uh staff for their comment

54:59Thank you

55:01Through the chair I can answer some of those questions

55:03So the circle that appeared on that map is the circulation list that we would have used so the properties that are within that

55:10That circle are the ones that are that were notified

55:13So we are required to send notification within 60 meters of the of the subject property

55:19um

55:20How do you come up with the just that such a little sorry such small

55:25distance from the site like we own several properties down the street that are still extremely close to

55:32um what we're discussing here when it comes to

55:35People in the area traffic parking on the side streets and whatever I just find that that's such a small

55:42um proximity that you would feel that that's all the people

55:46Should know also i'm a bit concerned that

55:49It's a four o'clock meeting when people work till five five thirty six and people are picking up their children at school

55:56At three thirty four that i'm a bit disappointed to be honest with you that this meeting wouldn't be at at least six thirty or seven

56:04I find that puzzling that

56:06Um, you don't even give people a chance to pick up their children or to get home from work

56:11I find that disappointing to be honest with you especially on a matter like this

56:16Um, nothing personal. I just find it very disappointing

56:21Like I had some people say to me well

56:23I don't even get a chance to pick up my my child from school that I that you're having a meeting at four o'clock

56:31So to answer also I have questions regarding

56:36What you're asking in this application going from 16

56:40beds to 75

56:44Could

56:46Is it fair to the public

56:48to know that

56:50nothing in this

56:52application or this letter talks about

56:55how that

56:5775 bed will be operated whether it's management whether it's um

57:02Supervision whether it's kitchen facilities on the main floor. I think this is different than building

57:11Uh, triplex building a condo building building

57:14semis

57:16this involves um

57:18A lot of people which is really sad to say and it breaks my heart of unfortunate people that we should care about and and whatever

57:27When it comes to shelters and stuff and that I think there should be a little bit more explained in here about how things would um, um

57:36Operate if this was approved and I also have a question

57:41Um, who is the applicant? Is it a private person? Is it um

57:47Run by the government. Is it provincial funded? Those are very important things. I think that the public should know

57:54um

57:55Sorry for throwing all these questions at you. I'm willing to stand here to get some answers regarding them

58:01But I also think they're very important questions that the public should know

58:06um

58:07Since we've had these properties down there the last

58:1012 13 years at the drop-in center was there

58:13Um, I know that it took a bit of a toll on the neighborhood in in many different ways and and for the most part when sister christine was running it

58:21She did a very good job

58:23Having pretty good control of the situation. But anyways, I'm done talking for now and I would appreciate some answers regarding

58:30Um, all these questions and especially with the four o'clock appointment

58:34Our meeting I very disappointed with that

58:37Would you like me to sit down or stand here for uh answers?

58:41Well, you've got a couple more minutes if you'd like to make use of it. Um, the way the way that the uh, I actually I actually would

58:48um

58:50Again, I know things are always harder to um

58:53um

58:54Get out to the public

58:56Uh, then it seems or sounds when you are doing when you are addressing something like this

59:01So I do appreciate that but this is again very different than

59:06When you're allowed when you're letting the public know that you are putting up a six plaques or an eight plaques or a condo building

59:13Or a subdivision or whatever. There's always um

59:17Things that go on with something like this that could affect the neighborhood or change the neighborhood or whatever

59:23Um, so I can appreciate all that but I still think that there should be some answers

59:30Already in uh information like this when it is sent to the public

59:35Not just we're going to build this and you and if people don't come here and ask questions

59:42And it does get put up and it gets approved and then

59:46The public has to deal with certain stuff and um, I don't think it's fair. I really don't think it's right

59:53I think I think in the future city council or management or whoever approves these things

59:58Should consider more of these questions and answers in fairness to the public so that we we get some knowledge

1:00:04So it doesn't bring someone like me up here to bombard

1:00:08People with 10 or 15 questions or issues or concerns

1:00:12And and again, I know that your jobs are not easy. So I can really appreciate that

1:00:19I'm done for now

1:00:21Thank you. No, thank you. You had a few seconds left

1:00:25I appreciate it. And so um, I we have taken your we've taken your

1:00:30Information and those questions

1:00:32We we will put to both staff and to the applicant in course of this and

1:00:39As your time is is completed

1:00:41We will now ask if there are others who would like to speak to this. So thank you very much for

1:00:47Coming forward. Thank you for your time

1:00:52And do we have any I see we have other members of the public who'd like to speak to this. So please come forward

1:01:09Thank you. The green light is on awesome. And can you state your name for the record, please?

1:01:13Dominic peyoni

1:01:15and you like your

1:01:18Previous speaker have 10 minutes to address the committee

1:01:23Okay, I agree with everything he's saying and in addition

1:01:28It's a real safety and health concern. I live directly next door

1:01:34to the parking lot of this drop-in center

1:01:37And I found over the years

1:01:40a complete disarray

1:01:43I've put up with it so long

1:01:46That finally I'm able to attend one council meeting

1:01:51to discuss

1:01:52numerous

1:01:54I should say countless amounts of needles in my backyard. I'm trying to raise a family

1:02:01I can't do that there. I've been threatened by

1:02:05a rock

1:02:07thrown at me

1:02:10Individuals that attend there. I understand they need help

1:02:13That's not the place for them to get help. You can hear

1:02:17in my voice

1:02:19I've been threatened multiple times

1:02:23So what I say is is it necessary?

1:02:28To have such a place increased by

1:02:31470 percent

1:02:34When there's no security

1:02:36And I was told personally

1:02:39Whom I will exclude the name

1:02:43Management staff

1:02:46They don't have the funding for security. Is that correct?

1:02:52I don't believe so

1:03:03My name is Adrienne Clementi and I'm his partner

1:03:06So we do have the two adjacent houses beside the drop-in and we cannot raise our family there just to touch on

1:03:14His houses have been broken into his cars have been vandalized the needles

1:03:19Things have been stolen from the properties

1:03:23And we have been told by many people

1:03:26Management there that there's nothing that can be done. They don't have the funding

1:03:30We've gone to the police the police are like our hands are tied because essentially the courts are just going to toss out the

1:03:34There's nothing they can do to control

1:03:37What's happening there? So how are we going to allow this 400?

1:03:41470 increase

1:03:43Of beds there right to the they don't even have staff to take care of it now

1:03:48So as neighbors there

1:03:50Neighborhood who's going to control all these things that are happening there. So

1:03:54So what we have to sell the house? We have to move somewhere else in order to bring our kids there

1:03:58I think that's that's not safe when sister christine was there. We didn't have these kind of issues and now

1:04:03It's not even being run correctly and it doesn't matter like how many times that we're complained

1:04:08It just goes on deaf ears. It's almost like a joke to them because they just

1:04:13It is what it is and our heart goes out to all these people that need help

1:04:16But like how can you say let let's increase it by that amount of people and not have the staffing or the funding to take care of it

1:04:23Like we it needs to all be thought out and we do agree like the community should know there should be more information

1:04:30That goes out so people really know what is going on here because what's listed in here is not the problem

1:04:36There's not enough staffing or funding

1:04:40To take care of what they want to do in this application

1:04:44essentially

1:04:50Thank you. Um, do you have anything else to add?

1:04:54So we want

1:04:57yes

1:04:59Essentially, I want the application denied. I don't want to upset council. However

1:05:05I just

1:05:07I really find it upsetting

1:05:10that

1:05:11Something such as this can carry on and it just continues to be increased

1:05:18From a non-safe drug use facility

1:05:22It's it's just not safe

1:05:27Yes, we we would like to have the application denied and we're not trying to upset anybody but we'd really

1:05:32Like you have to take all factors into consideration and it's not nothing is being taken into consideration or proper consideration

1:05:39For this application. Thank you for your time today

1:05:42No, no more questions. Sorry. Yes, please carry on. You've got a couple more minutes. Okay. One more question is

1:05:49What is the um, what is our?

1:05:52Our options to actually

1:05:56Have this place

1:06:00adjusted

1:06:01From 16 beds and an overnight shelter and and moved from its location

1:06:08As opposed to

1:06:10increasing

1:06:11What's happening here? Why not find a better place for it?

1:06:15And not directly in a neighborhood

1:06:19we'll be sure and

1:06:22That your questions are answered by the applicant. Thank you. So thank you very much for your time and your

1:06:29And your heartfelt comments. It's it's registered with us. So thank you

1:06:36Thank you

1:06:41Are there other members of the public who would like to speak to this application?

1:06:45Don't see any in the gallery. Are there any online?

1:06:54Chair Smith, I can confirm we haven't received any other delegation requests

1:06:59Thank you. I'd call upon the applicant if he'd like to

1:07:03respond to some of the issues that have been raised

1:07:06Uh through you, mr. Chair. There um, I didn't mention at the beginning of this this uh

1:07:12particular item, but we do have a couple of people here that I think are probably better

1:07:17Able to speak to some of the particular questions

1:07:20um, so we have

1:07:22to go mark mark post from the county of wellington is director of housing and gale hoax does the

1:07:28executive director for stepping stone who are the building

1:07:33owner operators right now, so

1:07:36I think probably if if the committee is agreeable probably these are the people that can

1:07:43Most appropriately answer or address speak to these questions in this context

1:07:46The only I would I would say I guess it's just as the agent for the application

1:07:52just that again just

1:07:55sort of reminding the committee that

1:07:57All of we're we're hearing all these these questions and these concerns certainly and I would just like to say that

1:08:05The the issue that we're trying to deal with today is just simply one of the land use permissions

1:08:11Um, there's there's certainly there's always operational questions and ongoing operational questions, but

1:08:17um for our purpose of my purposes really all I can speak to is

1:08:22The compliance with or variances from zoning regulations in place and that's that's what brings us here today, so

1:08:28um, but I think the questions the questions warrant some probably more informed explanations from

1:08:35The two better informed people that are with me. So with that with your permission, I'd invite them to

1:08:41Certainly, mr. Grisham if you'd like to

1:08:45Have the permanence come down

1:09:00Welcome, can you state your name for the record, please? I'm gale hoax from the executive director of stepping stone

1:09:06welcome and you've heard some of the comments and

1:09:10I wonder if you can address some of them to our committee

1:09:16I think working in homelessness

1:09:18this is a common kind of concern of neighborhoods when you're trying to

1:09:23balance the needs of individuals in our community that are homeless and

1:09:28within neighborhoods or with all of our other community members, so

1:09:33As an organization, this is something we do take seriously and we want to make sure everyone feels safe

1:09:41the people that

1:09:42need shelter and community members

1:09:45It's always a balance to do all this work and we'll do our best

1:09:51from uh

1:09:52I guess a human rights perspective

1:09:54We want to just consider the path of these conversations and the purpose of this meeting here

1:10:00Is if it's around land use or operations

1:10:04I'm not sure where the operational side of things fit

1:10:08but if it's a safety and operation

1:10:10I'll uh

1:10:11Question I can answer things and I'm not sure where that lands in terms of a conversation

1:10:18Um, I

1:10:20I'm not going to speak for committee members. Uh, perhaps they have some questions

1:10:25committee members

1:10:28not through you mr. Chair. I just uh

1:10:31I'd like to agree with mr. Grandham that this is the the questions at hand are ones about bylaw variants

1:10:37Not the operation of this place. I understand it's contentious

1:10:40But I don't think it's it's in the preview of the questions that are being asked today

1:10:46member bellaman

1:10:48Yes, through you mr. Chair. I agree with the the health safety security. Those are not our issues today, but

1:10:58The issue of adding

1:11:01uh

1:11:02The number of beds we're talking about is our issue

1:11:06And going from 17 beds to 75 beds is what we are here to discuss and is that minor

1:11:14And that is my primary concern from the moment I read this application

1:11:19And is it desirable?

1:11:21And an appropriate development of the land and that is our concern

1:11:26And these are the two main questions that I've been grappling with

1:11:31Since I opened it up

1:11:34And uh, I don't think it's minor

1:11:38And I don't think it's desirable

1:11:41in that location and I

1:11:45Have to say that to you as uh, I you know I

1:11:5117 bit beds to 75 beds is substantial

1:11:56It's not minor. This is not the in my opinion

1:12:01This is not the avenue for this to take place. This is not the committee. This is a this is a zoning bylaw

1:12:10Issue not a this this is not for this is not ours. This is much too big for a committee of adjustment this issue

1:12:18Is is a bigger issue?

1:12:22And I'm sorry, but that's my opinion

1:12:24Do you have a question for the applicant? I don't I just

1:12:29Wanted to make

1:12:30You were saying, you know, I do agree that we are not here to to discuss what you said the health and the safety and

1:12:38That's not our concern, but I am concerned

1:12:41Is it minor and I don't think it is

1:12:48Thank you. Uh, did you have any other?

1:12:51anything you wanted to add to the

1:12:54To the discussion and some of the points that have been raised

1:12:57Uh, I just

1:13:00Would like to make a comment. I I do understand the implications of this ask

1:13:06Um, I think as a community we wanted to be flexible around the numbers

1:13:11We need to be responsive to our members of our community that are homeless and the number kind of gives fluidity

1:13:17It doesn't mean that there would be 75 individuals. Uh, that isn't

1:13:23necessarily our demand today

1:13:25But we need to be responsive as a community. So that's why that number was put forward, but it wouldn't be an immediate

1:13:34Number that would be filled to capacity, but I think that would be

1:13:39Just leave room for our community to respond to the issue of homelessness, which is also

1:13:44What we're here talking about

1:13:51Through you, mr. Chair if I could just add a couple of things to and I say mark mark is here

1:13:56But one of the one of the questions that I did here and I I can

1:14:01Uh provide a bit of an answer to there was a question about funding and one of the reasons

1:14:06that were even here discussing this today

1:14:09is because the wellington county

1:14:13In its work to address the sort of the local homelessness issue

1:14:17wellington county secured funding from the province and I believe the feds as well mark could speak to that but

1:14:22Um, they have they have through a lengthy process secured long-term funding for

1:14:30The operation of this facility, which I believe and you correct me if I'm wrong

1:14:36Didn't previously exist and that's in part to try and address some of these ongoing

1:14:41concerns about how it operates day to day and year to year

1:14:44um, and so

1:14:46Part and parcel with that there's a lot of

1:14:49Provincial oversight as to how it can and has to be run

1:14:53Going through in the future and one of those things we were just discussing this earlier today in fact with with the county and and gale

1:15:01is that that number of 75

1:15:04practically speaking is probably

1:15:08Is probably not doable because it exceeds what the provincial

1:15:13Requirements and objectives of the third floor addition would be it would be

1:15:18It's geared towards a lighter accommodation number in the first instance

1:15:22And it was really just when we were discussing this with staff and trying to establish

1:15:28What's what's this sort of appropriate?

1:15:31message to bring to this committee in terms of potential worst case short-term accommodation

1:15:37when that new third floor was built with the 12th room sitting tails and

1:15:42sort of

1:15:43on

1:15:44Sort of not the not the long term objective of double occupancy, but worst-case scenario dead of winter

1:15:50What do we do kind of thing the number that we arrived at through existing space in the building and the new addition worked out to 75

1:15:58It's it's really a bit of a theoretical number

1:16:00And I don't think anyone here on behalf of the applicants is really hoping to be

1:16:05Looking at those kind of occupancy numbers on a day-to-day basis

1:16:08Is there anything else mark about

1:16:14The province or the county that I can I make another comment through you just

1:16:22I think what we'll do is allow the

1:16:25The applicant to complete this and then we can have some question time

1:16:33Yeah, thanks. Hi. Can you speak your name for the record? Please mark posts on the director of housing with the county of wellington

1:16:40Thank you. Yeah the the funding source and

1:16:45Lloyd

1:16:46alluded to is actually embargoed right now. So we won't say which funding source it is it is a 20-year agreement to support the

1:16:55The funding or sorry to support the operations of the building

1:16:58We also as a part of the city's budget process and the county wellington's budget process

1:17:04Have included operational funding to support this project once the project is complete

1:17:10As a part of the the city and the county's 10-year operational plan. So

1:17:15That is accounted for on the operational side

1:17:18We are here today to talk about it from a planning perspective, but

1:17:22Yes, that is covered and I think that that's

1:17:26probably

1:17:27Covering what you were thinking

1:17:31Yeah, thank you that helps clarify things member ballon band. Did you have a question?

1:17:39Uh committee members, do we have any other questions?

1:17:49I guess I do have one and you mentioned

1:17:5375 is sort of an umbrella number if double occupancy

1:17:57in crisis was

1:17:59What what is the speculation of the day? What will the?

1:18:05addition add to

1:18:07In general day-to-day operation the numbers

1:18:10Yeah, I think you're yeah, I think you got the right man. Uh 36 would be added

1:18:22um

1:18:23Because currently the the second floor which is part of this overall process is

1:18:29Office space underutilized office space. So that's where a large part of these numbers come from and in fact the occupancy intended for the third floor

1:18:37Is lower than the second floor

1:18:3912

1:18:4112 and 24

1:18:44Okay

1:18:48Member ball band through you mr. Chair. So

1:18:5136 more

1:18:54So a total of 52

1:19:00Currently we have 27 beds on the first floor

1:19:04Oh, it's oh, so you're not in you're not in compliance right now with the bylaw

1:19:11We have 27 people we over coveted that was sort of uh the pressure point that we

1:19:17used

1:19:19So you have 27 and you would add another 36

1:19:23Yes, oh, so you

1:19:27Thank you committee members. Do we have any other questions of the applicant?

1:19:37Seeing none and I believe members

1:19:41Member sears is not in the meeting. Okay. Thank you. I'm just checking. I didn't see his screen. I'm just

1:19:49Wanted to make sure he hadn't dropped out inadvertently

1:19:52So thank you very much. Um, we don't have any more questions

1:20:00At this point, we will go into committee

1:20:03and formulate our decision.

1:20:06So let me thank you very much for your presentation

1:20:09and your patience and your answers.

1:20:14Committee members, I'm looking for a motion.

1:20:21Member Spears.

1:20:22I move that we accept this application.

1:20:25And do we have a seconder?

1:20:29I will second that.

1:20:31And do we have discussion?

1:20:38Member Bellaman.

1:20:39Through you, Mr. Chair, I find it very hard

1:20:43to agree that this is minor.

1:20:46So I'm not going to be able to vote for this.

1:20:53Understood.

1:20:56I am gonna ask Member Spears if he has any comment.

1:21:02Yeah, I think this is,

1:21:04we have an opportunity to hear,

1:21:07to approve something to keep a process working

1:21:11and to keep moving forward in a situation

1:21:13where there are no answers that I can see

1:21:16and this is a step in the right direction.

1:21:17And I kind of feel quite honored to be in a position

1:21:20to say yes to the parts we can say yes to.

1:21:25Thank you.

1:21:26Like Member Bellaman, I have struggled with this

1:21:29and I think some of the answers that I've heard

1:21:34help sway me.

1:21:37I also have to say that I was moved

1:21:39by the members of the public who took the time

1:21:42and it's not easy to speak in public.

1:21:44So I thank you and I do appreciate

1:21:47and understand your comments.

1:21:53We're dealing with a planning matter

1:21:56and to speak to a couple of things that were raised.

1:21:59One is in terms of the format and the timing

1:22:03that has been a longstanding format for the City of Guelph.

1:22:09And under the hybrid formula,

1:22:11it's actually made it easier for citizens to come forward

1:22:16because as you may have noted

1:22:19that several of the applicants have been able to come forward

1:22:23while they're still at work.

1:22:24So they haven't had to take time off work

1:22:27and travel to City Hall and make a presentation

1:22:31that they've been able to make their presentation

1:22:34based on being able to come in virtually

1:22:37either via audio or video.

1:22:41So that being said, there was also the question raised

1:22:45about the circulation area

1:22:50and that is something that's legislated

1:22:52and if you as a citizen feel that you're not being well served

1:22:58with that, I think that's something

1:23:00that you may want to take up with your elected official.

1:23:02That has been a legislated standard for some time

1:23:06but I understand with a touchy subject like this one

1:23:10that you might feel that information wasn't as forthcoming.

1:23:15So I would urge members of the public who feel that way

1:23:20that they take this up with their elected official.

1:23:25Having editorialized that way,

1:23:27I am going to be supporting this motion.

1:23:29I have struggled with it as I've said

1:23:31but I believe that this is minor in nature

1:23:36and that it is defensible and it should go forward.

1:23:42So I will be supporting it.

1:23:45Member Bella.

1:23:49Through you Mr. Chair.

1:23:52I understand your comments and I do understand the need.

1:23:58I mean, I've come from an area where I know

1:24:02there's a lot of need for people to live

1:24:07and I understand that there's funding available

1:24:10as I've just heard from the county and I appreciate that

1:24:15and I just, is this the right spot?

1:24:21Is this intensification to this degree

1:24:27the right way to do it?

1:24:30Can that intensification be put in different,

1:24:36can the money be put somewhere else?

1:24:39Is there a way to sort of spread it out a little bit

1:24:43so that we're not intensifying?

1:24:45Because this is an intensification

1:24:48by as someone pointed out 470% in one spot

1:24:54and that's a lot.

1:24:56That's not a minor thing for people who live near it

1:25:00and we have to think about the people around something

1:25:04that we're imposing something to describe as a minor variance.

1:25:12And that's why I'm feeling this way.

1:25:15I feel really, there's a lot of people

1:25:19that live in that condo that is within the area

1:25:25that of influence and that's why I'm,

1:25:28and we're impacting businesses,

1:25:31we're impacting a lot of things.

1:25:34So I'm thinking, is there a way that we can have people

1:25:38who are working in this business,

1:25:41think about ways to spread the money out so that,

1:25:44and use that money to build an expansion somewhere else

1:25:50or use a different building.

1:25:51You know, to make this work in the city,

1:25:56because we need it,

1:25:58but is this the right place to intensify?

1:26:02Well, I hear you and I appreciate a number of the points

1:26:08that you've raised, however, I'm, yeah.

1:26:13I don't think that we have any more comments.

1:26:16So at this point, I'm going to turn it over

1:26:19to the secretary treasurer for a vote.

1:26:24Thank you, chair, committee members,

1:26:25please indicate your vote by responding in favor

1:26:28or opposed to the motion,

1:26:30which is to approve the application.

1:26:33Chair Smith.

1:26:34In favor.

1:26:35Member Balaban.

1:26:36Opposed.

1:26:38And member Spears.

1:26:39In favor.

1:26:41That's carried, chair.

1:26:43Your application has been approved.

1:26:53Madam secretary treasurer,

1:26:54I believe that has brought us to the end of our agenda.

1:26:57Am I correct?

1:27:00Chair Smith, you're correct.

1:27:02That's the end of the applications.

1:27:04I do have one item to note for staff announcements.

1:27:07Yes, please.

1:27:10I did want to advise that member Hamilton's

1:27:13last hearing with the committee was on December 14th, 2023,

1:27:17as he submitted his resignation last week.

1:27:20So this is an opportunity for us all to take a moment

1:27:22to recognize him for his dedication to the committee

1:27:25since his appointment in November, 2021.

1:27:28We will be sending a token of our appreciation

1:27:31for his service and our sending our best wishes.

1:27:34And as this has created an additional vacancy,

1:27:38we will be working with the city clerk's office

1:27:40to determine next steps to fill this vacancy.

1:27:43And that's the only staff announcement I had, Mr. Chair.

1:27:47Thank you.

1:27:48And let me offer my thanks again to member Hamilton

1:27:53and echo your sentiment as well,

1:27:56Madam secretary treasurer,

1:27:58I hope it's nothing I've said that has caused him to resign,

1:28:02but we will take the good with the ill.

1:28:06And look forward to, we will now need two new members

1:28:11to make up our, as we can see that having declared a conflict,

1:28:18there were only three of us around the horseshoe

1:28:20and it made for an interesting conversation and decisions.

1:28:24So at this point, I will entertain a motion to adjourn.

1:28:30Member Spears, seconded by member Balaban,

1:28:36all those in favor, we stand adjourned.

1:28:40Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.