Transportation Advisory Committee
June 19, 2025 · 12,918 words of debate
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0:02our AgWolf transit.
0:05And I'm Jennifer Joust, people call me Jenny.
0:07You're welcome to call me Jenny.
0:09I'm the manager of transportation planning
0:11with the city of Guelph.
0:12I'm in the engineering and transportation services
0:14department.
0:16And I'll be representing my colleagues in transportation
0:20engineering as well.
0:23My name's Garrett Meads.
0:24I'm the manager of legislative services and deputy city clerk
0:27with the city of Guelph.
0:29Myself along with my colleague Winnie here
0:30who will introduce herself shortly
0:32are kind of the procedural bylaw and operations
0:35component of this.
0:36You have your staff liaison who are extra
0:38and they have open knowledge and skills and abilities.
0:40We'll help you operate the meeting.
0:42Turn over to Winnie.
0:44This is Winnie Chan.
0:45I'm board and committee coordinator.
0:47And I'm also come from the CLAAC office.
0:49So you will be receiving a lot of emails from me,
0:53specifically from advisorycompeties.grove.ca.
0:57And I will warm up you a lot.
0:59I'm so sorry too many information,
1:01too much things.
1:02So no worries about that.
1:05We'll be fine.
1:06Thank you very much.
1:08So I would like to invite the CAC member, the transportation
1:11and advisory committee member to introduce yourself
1:14to our fellows.
1:15So may I start from Harry?
1:18Yeah.
1:20Harry, I work for metro truck liner or freight liner
1:24or bus pin star truck dealer.
1:26Well, I've been in transport trucks
1:28since I was a kid.
1:30I'm also motorcyclist.
1:32I've been well since 2002.
1:34Two kids that are older in university.
1:38That's about it.
1:42Hi, I'm Matthew Moore.
1:42I'm a welder at Skydive.
1:45Before that, I was an owner operator, truck driver.
1:49Now I ride my bike more often and I walk and use transit
1:52because I'm sick and tired of driving.
1:55So I do have two kids, but they're long gone, grown up
2:00and other than that, we're just happy to be here.
2:08I'm Eldridge Rivello.
2:10I used to be on the transport truck.
2:13Transit.
2:13Transport.
2:14Right.
2:15It's very close to this one.
2:17There I was officially a member at large,
2:20which makes me sound like some sort of criminal.
2:23But I'm not, as far as I know.
2:25I live in Guelph, Opinia, about six years now.
2:29I bike around a lot, use the buses mainly to get to the go train.
2:36That's about all that's relevant here.
2:38Thank you.
2:41My name's Susan, Harry.
2:43I've been on the former committee a long time.
2:49I don't know how long.
2:50I must be almost at the end of my eligibility.
2:54I don't know.
2:56Although maybe it starts over again now that it's a new committee.
2:58I don't know.
2:59And just a fan of alternative healthy transit systems.
3:07Hi, folks.
3:08My name's June Baldwin.
3:10I see her pronouns.
3:11I'm the coordinator of Neighborhood Relations
3:13and Off-Campus Living at the University of Guelph.
3:17So representing students to have faculty there.
3:21I moved to Guelph in 2010 and attended university.
3:23So I've been a long time user of transit as well.
3:26I was also on the transit advisory committee.
3:30I'm a data analyst.
3:35I have a three and a five year olds.
3:37I grew up in Toronto and I've lived in Guelph since 2015.
3:46And I'm Sean Dale.
3:47I'm from Nova Scotia, but I've lived in Guelph for a few years now.
3:50I wrapped up my rural planning and development master's not too long ago.
3:55Currently I'm doing a PhD in rural studies.
3:58I use transit and walk everywhere and sometimes to bridge the gap.
4:01I use a car show to program.
4:04Thank you.
4:06Folks online, maybe Darren first.
4:14Sure. Thanks.
4:15So my name's Darren Shock.
4:18I'm a team lead with the Ministry of Agriculture, Food and Agribusiness.
4:23But I went to university to be an urban planner.
4:29So I'm what they call like a non-practicing professional planner.
4:33So I guess that makes planning my hobby, maybe.
4:36I don't really know.
4:36But so I was previously a member of the city's planning advisory committee.
4:45Pretty much since it started, but when the committee is dissolved and then reformed,
4:49I decided to give this one a try.
4:52And that's because we as a family of four only have one car.
4:58So we often have to make other choices on how to get around the city,
5:03mostly bikes when we're not in a car, but sometimes transit as well.
5:08So that's where my interest lies.
5:10Thanks.
5:11Thank you.
5:14Alham, is it sorry about my pronunciation, but yeah.
5:19No, you did great.
5:20Hi, everyone. I'm Alham.
5:22I have a PhD in transportation engineering from York University.
5:27And currently I'm a postdoc at University of Toronto, again, in transportation engineering.
5:32And I'm an expert in developing machine learning algorithms
5:37and also optimization models for parking occupancy detection and also routing.
5:42I've been here in Guelph for two years now.
5:45And I'm very honored to serve in this committee.
5:48Thank you.
5:49Thank you very much.
5:52Now we move on to the second item, two point one,
5:56that Garrett will present on anniversary of the Council of General Rows and Responsibilities
6:01and Offers the Government Training.
6:03Thank you, Garrett.
6:04OK, so thanks everybody.
6:05Nice to meet everybody.
6:06Thanks for everyone joining us today.
6:09I have a little bit of an overview here on general roles, responsibility, procedural training
6:15and kind of the overview of what we'll do with the clerk's office.
6:20I will caveat this with
6:21we're not expecting you to remember everything that I say today.
6:24We are here to help facilitate this.
6:26So if you have any questions about procedures and how to run meetings and that sort of stuff,
6:30that's why we're here.
6:31We'll always have staff here to support you with that to ensure that the information
6:34that you receive, the recommendations that you pass and the work that you do
6:39makes its way to council and staff in the appropriate way.
6:41OK, that's that's our job.
6:42We facilitate that work.
6:45So I'm just going to start with our agenda.
6:49So we're going to talk a little bit about the advisory committees of Council
6:52Governance Framework.
6:53Darren, you mentioned that a little bit earlier when we dissolved all the committees
6:57and started the backup, but this is the implementation of that framework
7:01and this new committee that's been an amalgamation of some people here from the old
7:06Transit Advisory Committee and Darren was on a Planning Advisory Committee.
7:09So we'll talk a little bit about that information.
7:13Legislative requirements for local boards and
7:17Code of Conduct, lobbyist registry, in terms of reference,
7:20like I said, roles and responsibility for staff, ACOC members and the clerk's office,
7:27basic procedural training, talking about motions, resolutions, voting, that sort of thing.
7:33And then everything that Jen does and some just general best practices.
7:40So quickly touch on the framework.
7:43ACOC is our big experiment in democracy.
7:46We really value and appreciate being able to have this type of conversation and feedback.
7:51You'll have a lot of information thrown at you, a lot of big decisions
7:57for you to contemplate and provide feedback on.
8:00And we really appreciate that.
8:02The purpose of this, the governance framework is to guide the creation, design,
8:07function and evaluation of the ACOC's.
8:10So right now, we're in the implementation phase.
8:14There'll be a self reflection phase.
8:16There'll be reports to council.
8:18All of those things will help walk you through, but that's a high level of what the framework is.
8:22OK.
8:24How did we create the framework very quickly?
8:27A lot of engagement between academics.
8:29So we worked with the Guelph Lab.
8:32They were a big partner in developing the framework.
8:34We connected with the community.
8:36We connected with the advisory committees.
8:37We connected with staff and that collaborative work turned into the framework that we have today.
8:43Just want to highlight the seven commitments of the framework.
8:47ACOC's are a form of community engagement.
8:49They should help shape the city's strategic goals.
8:52They should adopt deliberative practices, should contribute lived experience,
8:58lived and professional experience, should have a diverse membership.
9:02There should be clear communication between ACOC's and city council,
9:06and they should be adequately resourced.
9:12The next thing are the six critical features to highlight here.
9:15Again, we talked about effective communication between ACOC members and city council.
9:20Your staff liaison, so you've met, are going to provide you with that strategic level knowledge.
9:25OK, they're going to be your experts.
9:26They're going to be the ones who can ask those questions to get additional information
9:30to help your recommendations.
9:32OK, should have clear up to date, regular revisited terms of reference.
9:37Like I said before, there's going to be a review and a self reflection portion of this.
9:42You guys are going to be responsible for ensuring that that is done.
9:45You're going to review yourselves.
9:47You're going to determine whether or not the committee is operating as intended.
9:50We'd love to hear your feedback during that process.
9:54There's a couple of other things to highlight here and recruitment and compensation
9:58currently underfunded, but we are developing new process and practices.
10:02And hopefully council can support those moving forward and they could be
10:06implemented at a future date. OK.
10:10All right, so legislative requirements.
10:13This is in terms of how the committee operates.
10:16All meetings must be open to the public.
10:19All decisions are made through resolution where feedback is provided on a topic
10:24that is going before city council.
10:26I'll see all ACOC resolutions must be communicated in full to city council.
10:30So that's a requirement of your staff liaisons.
10:33Meeting notices and agendas will be published in advance of the meeting.
10:36You should have received that information from winning about a week prior.
10:40And the minutes will also be published on the city's website, as well as
10:45included in information packages sent to council on a weekly basis.
10:50So what is a meeting?
10:51A meeting is what we're doing here today.
10:53It's a quorum of the committee, which I'll just confer on the nine members.
10:59Quorum is five.
11:00So anytime we have five or more of you in a room discussing the content of this
11:06committee, that constitutes a meeting.
11:08It needs to be open public and everyone should be aware that that is happening.
11:12OK. So how do you provide feedback?
11:18You do that through a way of a resolution. OK.
11:21Now, resolutions will be provided to you in the form of a recommendation at times.
11:26You'll be asked to provide input.
11:28We will work with you to develop those resolutions,
11:31including the input that you have provided.
11:33And then we'll work with you on moving,
11:35seconding and then voting on set resolution.
11:38Like I said, those resolutions will then end up in the minutes.
11:41Those minutes will be included publicly on the website and they'll be provided to
11:45council if those resolutions are to inform a staff report going to council.
11:51They'll also be included in those staff reports.
11:54OK.
11:56So we talked about how it's communicated to council.
11:59Couple of things that we want to highlight here,
12:01code of conduct for city council and local boards.
12:05Not everything applies to ACLC members,
12:08but there are a couple items that I wanted to highlight for you.
12:12Gifts and benefits, confidentiality, conduct, influence on staff and improper use
12:18of influence and conflict of interest. OK.
12:21Like I said, I'm not expecting you to
12:22understand or know all of this by the end of this presentation.
12:25I just want to highlight that there is a code of conduct that you are required to
12:29it by by when you're representing the committee and all of your public
12:33discourse. OK.
12:34The big one that probably will impact you from time to time is the conflict of interest.
12:39There may be reports or items that are brought forward to the committee that are
12:43competing with your personal life, your professional life, that sort of thing.
12:46We can provide advice on whether or not that is a conflict and whether you need to
12:50recluse yourself from those discussions or not. OK.
12:54Lobby's registry, this is new with the city of Guelph.
12:58As of January of this year, we've implemented a lobbyist registry bylaw.
13:03What this does is.
13:06Hopes to provide a transparent way for the public to understand when members of
13:12council, city staff or members of advisory committees are having conversations
13:18that are not in a public forum that may influence financial decisions.
13:23OK. What you need to know is you are not
13:26responsible for upholding the bylaw or keeping people accountable.
13:30A lobbyist is, but you may be lobbied in your capacity as a member of the ACLCs.
13:37And that is OK.
13:39There's nothing wrong with being lobbied.
13:41But we just ask that you be advocates and say,
13:44have you registered this type of conversation?
13:46OK. So if you're having a conversation with somebody in regards to a decision or
13:50recommendation that you are looking to make at an upcoming meeting and an
13:55individual is asking you to support it or not supported in a certain way,
13:59because they stand to gain financially or stand to not lose financially,
14:05then that is lobbying. OK.
14:08Again, if you have questions come to us,
14:11you probably won't have it happen too much.
14:13It'd be very rare that we're bringing items for that than the public
14:17would reach out to you on, but it is a requirement.
14:21Terms of reference as we've outlined already, the framework helped guide the
14:26development of the terms of reference.
14:28It outlines the mandate, composition and schedule and format of meetings.
14:32And then there's that one year review
14:33timeline that we've talked about where you guys will be a part of that.
14:38So roles of staff liaisons, you have your staff liaisons here.
14:42Like I said, they're your knowledge experts.
14:43They're the ones who are going to answer all the questions,
14:45provide all the information and support you moving forward with your decisions.
14:50OK.
14:52Roles of the clerk's office staff,
14:54Winnie and I are here supporting in the background.
14:56We're doing things like the online meeting.
14:59We're putting agendas together.
15:00We're helping with the minutes.
15:02We're getting that information to council.
15:04That is our job.
15:05Ideally, you don't see us at all.
15:07You just see our work happening.
15:08If there are issues, that's probably when we get involved.
15:12But we're here to just support any comments, questions, concerns.
15:16You can definitely direct them towards us and we're happy to help.
15:19OK.
15:20And then role of a COC member.
15:22So what can you guys do?
15:24Come well prepared to attend and participate in meetings,
15:27contribute your skills, knowledge and abilities to the conversations.
15:30Be flexible and curious with the discussions.
15:33Understand and respect the roles and expect and expectations of all participants.
15:38And then obviously attending your mandatory training, which is what we're doing today.
15:42OK.
15:44Basic meeting procedures like we've talked about.
15:47Ninety percent of this is a member moves a motion, a member seconds a motion.
15:52We have a discussion about that motion and then we take a vote on that motion.
15:56If we get 50 percent plus one on the vote in this situation today,
16:00if we had five or more individuals, that motion would pass and it would be
16:04reflective in the minutes. OK.
16:09A couple of examples here on good resolutions, if you want to read them,
16:12we're not going to go over them too much.
16:14What I will say is we will help you with these, whether it's in advance of the meeting.
16:18If you have questions, if you need support, we will help you write these.
16:21During the meeting, we're also here to support that to make sure the information
16:25that you want to provide to staff and to council is captured.
16:29That's where we can support.
16:31You'll see in these examples here that they're
16:33reflective of the items that are being discussed, the date and that there's some
16:38sort of action being to be approved or be considered by staff. OK.
16:42There's a couple of bad examples here or not so good one.
16:46Sorry, they don't include that level of detail.
16:48But the thing that we want to highlight here is
16:51not great resolutions are no resolutions at all.
16:54If you want to get your information out, it cannot be in the form of comments.
16:59That won't be captured.
17:00That won't be considered in the same degree as a resolution would be.
17:04OK. Agendas like we talked about, you'll be hearing from Winnie a lot in regards
17:10to agendas and information being provided.
17:13We'd like to get that information out at least a week prior to your meeting.
17:16So you have that much time to review and consider the information that's being
17:19presented to you.
17:22They'll be consistent with the terms of reference and any legislation required.
17:27Members can request items be added to agendas.
17:30So if you have a topic that you want to address,
17:33you can work through staff and the eventual chair of the committee to add those
17:38items and we can include them for future meetings for discussion.
17:41OK. The chair and vice chair also have
17:44a little bit more of a responsibility in helping manage those agendas and seeing
17:48the committee through those agendas while we work through each meeting.
17:52OK.
17:54And finally, we're here to help.
17:56Like I said, I'm not expecting you to remember anything I said today.
17:59Just know that we're here.
18:00We want to see this community succeed.
18:02We're here to support that and we will all learn and grow together as we navigate
18:07the committee. OK. So I'll end it there very quickly.
18:10If there's any questions, I'm happy to take them now.
18:14But if not, we can turn it over to your staff
18:17and our colleagues who have I think what is the more important and relevant
18:20information that we want to share with you today.
18:24Great about seeing any questions.
18:27We'll go with you.
18:28OK. Thank you, Garrett.
18:30It's really exciting to meet you all.
18:33So this advisory committee actually comes out of a recommendation in the
18:37Transportation Master Plan that said, you know, we're doing an integrated
18:43multimodal transportation master plan for the next 30 years.
18:46We should have an advisory committee that's reflective of all of those users
18:50of our transportation system.
18:52So to get started, we thought it would be helpful to walk you through some of our
18:58key policy documents that we use and that inform all of the work that comes out of
19:03our transportation services and transit services.
19:07And I'm going to dip a little bit of my
19:09toe into some of the work of my colleagues in transportation engineering
19:13just so you have a good perspective on the type of work we do and the type of
19:18projects that might come forward to this committee in the future.
19:23I also just want to mention that normally,
19:25Halia Ogabi would be here to be your liaison.
19:29She just had a family emergency today.
19:30Unfortunately, she's not able to be here, but it will usually be her and Laura.
19:35And I won't be as involved moving forward.
19:39So some of you, if you've been on a committee before, you're familiar with their
19:41strategic plan, Guelph Future Ready.
19:45So this is our former plan, which had a navigating our future pillar since been
19:49replaced with another strategic plan.
19:53And we fall more under the city building pillar of that.
19:58And within city building is where you would find the objectives that direct
20:02our transportation master plan and transit and all of that excellent work.
20:07So everything kind of comes out of our strategic plan as city staff and directs
20:11the work that we do.
20:13And then I wanted to give an overview of the policy hierarchy.
20:18So you see the strategic plan at the top
20:20directly underneath that is our outward facing master plan, the official plan.
20:26Those of you who are involved in planning, understand what this is.
20:29This directs how we grow and develop all of our land in the city moving forward.
20:34And it often is informed by other master servicing plans.
20:40So the transportation master plan, which I'll call TMP moving forward.
20:45The TMP is one of those servicing plans that informs policies of the OP,
20:50but also reflects the policies of the OP.
20:53And in Ontario, OP's are also required by our provincial policy statement or our
20:58provincial policy, it's got a new word now.
21:01Doug Ford's changing everything all the time.
21:04And so we're required to have one of those.
21:06You'll also see secondary plans.
21:08Those are part of the OP and those just are for designated areas in our city.
21:12So downtown is the secondary plan, GID, Guelph Innovation District.
21:17They have their own set of policies.
21:18Claremont B in the south also has its own set of policies.
21:22And then below that, our TMP directs other subsidiary master plans.
21:28So we have a parking master plan.
21:30We have a cycling master plan.
21:31We now have a Vision Zero action plan.
21:34We have our friends Guelph Transit Future Ready Action Plan and we have the Guelph
21:38Transit Fair Strategy.
21:39So this is kind of how it all lives in the world of policy.
21:45So backtracking to 2022, we adopted the TMP.
21:50This is intended to direct and guide all of our transportation related work until
21:552051.
21:58I will try to skip through some of this.
22:01It is available for you to look at online, but I want to be respectful of our time.
22:05So I might skip the video, but it's very sweet and cute.
22:08And it shows you how we came up with the TMP and what it's all intended to do.
22:13But really what we're trying to achieve is,
22:17so I'm going to skip that, is a mode share target shift.
22:21So our mode share is the percentage of all of the trips made in a day in Guelph by
22:27all modes, looking at like how many trips are made by each mode.
22:31So typically, traditionally, the majority have been made by cars, which you can see
22:35on the far left.
22:37This was what our mode share split was in 2016.
22:42But 80 percent of all of the trips made any
22:44finding given day within the city were made by car.
22:47And the remaining modes, cycling, walking and transit were quite minimal.
22:52The TMP is setting a target that we achieve 42 percent of all of our daily
22:58trips by non auto modes.
23:01So that's your transit, cycling, walking.
23:03You can add e scooters and e bikes and
23:06micro mobility and one wheels and whatever else into that category that can all
23:11count towards non auto mode share.
23:13But really, we're trying to utilize the existing space we have in our road
23:17network more efficiently by moving people as opposed to moving cars.
23:22We know cars aren't going anywhere.
23:23We know there's a lot of reasons and a lot of trips that need to be made by cars.
23:28We need to conserve that space for them.
23:30But we also need to accommodate growth in more
23:32creative ways using the space that we have.
23:36The alternative, when we looked at all the available options,
23:39would have required widening our roads quite a lot with significant impact to
23:44houses and property environment.
23:46And so we opted for a sustainable and resilient solution.
23:52So in terms of progress, the latest data came out in 2022 and shows that we have
23:59successfully reduced our car based mode share by 4%.
24:05It's not nothing.
24:06We're trending in the right direction.
24:08And our non auto mode share is at about 24%.
24:12So we're roughly halfway to our target.
24:16I'd say that's trending a little bit ahead of schedule.
24:18So that's positive, but we still have a long way to go.
24:22So I'm going to maybe not spend too much more time on that.
24:26I can get really into the weeds.
24:28You don't want me to go there.
24:31This is an image of the preferred network.
24:35So you see a map of Guelph on there with a bunch of lines and colors.
24:38I'm going to explain really quickly what those lines and colors mean.
24:42So when we're talking about multimodal systems in Guelph,
24:47we're primarily talking about our cycling
24:49network, our pedestrian network, and our transit services.
24:53And then there's another line type on here,
24:55which is this pinkish purple dotted line.
24:58And it's called our resiliency network.
25:00So I'll explain that in a minute.
25:02But first, we'll start with the pedestrian enhanced network.
25:07So this is looking at mostly our
25:09intensification areas within the city, where we know we're expecting higher
25:13densities, more mixed use, more pedestrian activity at the ground level.
25:17And we want to make sure that the environment is really conducive to
25:20making it a pleasant and comfortable safe environment for pedestrians.
25:24So that could look like more street trees, more space given to street furnishings,
25:29benches, wider sidewalks, etc.
25:33And it also corresponds with some of our high quality transit networks corridors.
25:40You'll see the red lines.
25:42The red lines is not the entire cycling network.
25:45It's important to make that distinction.
25:47This is our triple A cycling network, which means all ages and abilities.
25:53So these these cycling corridors, we want to make sure have the top best quality
25:59of cycling infrastructure that we can achieve, which means physically separated
26:04and protected from motorized vehicles.
26:07It should be designed so that anyone from age eight to eighty can feel safe and
26:11comfortable using it and that if you're using
26:15an adapted cyclist cycling design such as a hand cycle or something of that nature
26:20that's also suitable for those users.
26:23And there's still going to be other parts of the cycling network that fill in the gaps.
26:28But it should form a general grid to get you across the city and to major destinations.
26:34And then we have the quality transit network.
26:37So there's three levels of QTN.
26:42And the intent of the QTN is to deliver more frequent
26:46and more efficient transit service in Guelph.
26:49So it's either optimizing existing road
26:52space that we have through operational measures that we can make.
26:57That includes signal timings, things like that.
27:00The next one is that we allocate existing road capacity to dedicated transit.
27:07So that would be either time of day or full day bus only lanes.
27:12It can also include Q jump lanes and transit signal prioritization.
27:16And the third one is we're actually widening the road to add capacity for
27:22transit, not for cars, but for transit.
27:24We may consider whether that includes cars as well.
27:26But that's the intent is that if we're going to widen roads, it's to move people.
27:30The most efficient way to move people is with transit.
27:33And then the resiliency network is the dotted line.
27:36And that's where we currently have only two lane arterial roads, so one lane each way.
27:40We don't necessarily need to widen it from a capacity perspective by 2051.
27:46But we may want to achieve or acquire that land so that we can use it for
27:50adaptive reasons that aren't determined at this point in time.
27:54So being prepared for the future,
27:57being resilient and ready to adapt as needed.
27:59So planning for tomorrow's growth and development.
28:05There's been a lot of changes in housing development over the last couple of years,
28:09certainly since the TMP was adopted, everything changed and it's constantly changing.
28:14The important thing to know is that we're on top of that.
28:17The city has a transportation model
28:20that we keep up to date and that is used to help us anticipate and forecast growth
28:25as development applications come in and also help us determine and give feedback
28:31to those developments as to what improvements need to be made to our
28:34transportation network in order to help continue to move people as the city grows.
28:41We suspect that with some of the changes, the
28:45rate of growth in our traffic might
28:48be front heavy in terms of the like, you know, the TMP is from 2022 to 2051.
28:55And it was assuming at the time that that growth was going to happen
28:59smoothly over that period of time, but some of the provincial regulatory
29:03changes have really front loaded a lot of that growth in the first 10 years.
29:08So we haven't done an update yet, but it will be interesting to see how
29:12those changes might affect some of the planning assumptions that we made.
29:19So in terms of policy, we focus on the three key mode that we talked about.
29:25So sustainable transportation, we're looking at cycling and walking.
29:29And these are really important from an equity perspective, because obviously
29:33they're most affordable and available to everybody and most people will walk.
29:38Even if they're driving or taking transit, there's a component of their trip
29:41that requires walking.
29:42So it's really important that we're making sure that we're protecting the
29:45pedestrian environment and similarly for cycling, cycling and pedestrians are
29:51amongst our most vulnerable road users.
29:54They're disproportionately impacted by
29:57collisions with vehicles.
29:58And so it really is on us as a city as a municipality to try to make sure that
30:03our road designs and our operational measures are putting them first and making
30:07sure that we're protecting them.
30:09So you'll see that if you read the TMP, there's a lot of policies around that.
30:14We're also looking at the future.
30:16What does micro mobility look like in the future?
30:19Actually, a lot of cities are experiencing a growth right now.
30:23And when I say micro mobility, I'm talking about electric scooters,
30:26the kick scooter kind, not the Vespa scooter kind.
30:31We're seeing those one wheels, those people that look like they're on a pogo ball
30:35that somehow rolls by itself.
30:37I've seen unicycles.
30:39There's a lot of stuff out there and it keeps evolving.
30:42And so we're trying to keep an eye to that and being
30:46ready to adapt and accommodate those modes as they arrive on the market.
30:53Public transit is a huge component of our TMP.
30:56And I know Laura is going to speak a lot more about our transit plans,
31:00but really our transportation system is not going to work well if we're not
31:05supporting it with good transit service.
31:08Really, we're trying to make transit as convenient and efficient as driving in the
31:13city or make it competitive, at least with trips by car.
31:16That's the high level goal.
31:20We might not make it, but that's the goal.
31:22If we strive for that, that's great.
31:24And so a lot of the policies are around shortening travel times for passengers,
31:30improving the operation of transit so that they're not getting stuck in traffic,
31:34helping them move through some of those clogged intersections, things like that,
31:37making sure that we have rapid transit, frequent transit and
31:42transit priority measures where we're putting the most people.
31:46And then we're also looking at regional transportation.
31:49So this is looking at our interregional rail and bus, but it's also looking at
31:53goods movement. So some of the work we do, I'm not sure how much this will come
31:58to the committee or not, but we do coordinate regularly with our colleagues
32:03at MTO on their projects in Guelph.
32:06So anything related to the Hanlon Expressway, Highway 7,
32:10connecting Link out to Rockwood and long term plans that they have for
32:16policy and infrastructure.
32:18And then we meet regularly with Metrolinx, because obviously we have the
32:21Metrolinx service going through Guelph.
32:23And one of our strategic goals is still the two-way all-day go.
32:26We really want to support that as an
32:30external commuter service for Guelph.
32:37We've recently completed our goods movement strategy.
32:40So that is going to be posted online any day now.
32:42And so this strategy was a recommendation here in the TMP to look at our
32:48permissive truck route network and how does our truck route policies and
32:53operational framework support the other policies in our TMP, particularly
32:59economic development in our downtown and other surrounding areas,
33:02making sure that we're continuing to support the economy as we are
33:06maybe tightening up the roads to add protected bike lanes.
33:10Can we still make sure trucks can get through efficiently?
33:13It's also looking at downtown loading zones and policies to
33:18align with our downtown infrastructure renewal program.
33:23We are looking at the future technologies related to goods movement with
33:27autonomous vehicles and that sort of thing.
33:30And we're looking at a route network to make sure that where we're directing
33:33trucks to go is the best routes in the city, not the ones that are going to be
33:38slowed down the most because it's a pedestrian priority and it's got like
33:42crossings every two blocks.
33:44So that's what the goods movement strategy has said.
33:50I talked about this a little bit.
33:52We are hoping to eventually spend more time looking at emerging
33:56transportation technologies and be on the more of on the cutting edge of some
34:02of those technologies and services in Guelph than we are currently.
34:06For now, it's status quo and we're kind of waiting for the right moment for these
34:10initiatives to come forward.
34:15The next few slides, I'm not going to go into detail.
34:18I think it's interesting to kind of look at how much we've identified as projects.
34:24This might give you an indication of some of the types of reports and studies that
34:28might come forward to this committee for input and feedback.
34:33Some of them are underway and have a hyperlink or are completed and have a
34:37hyperlink so you can go and dig into those if you're really interested.
34:42I think the most up and coming ones that you're going to see sooner rather than
34:47later are the TDM action plan, which is underway right now.
34:51That's looking at attitudes and perceptions around non-auto trips.
34:57What can we do to help encourage people to choose leaving their cart home for
35:03more trips than they currently do, help shift that mode share target a little bit more?
35:08We're looking at
35:11the Cycling Master Plan update.
35:13It's going to be broken up into chunks and kind of
35:16delivered in smaller phases.
35:19We're doing an AT wayfinding strategy.
35:21So that's looking at how do we help people who are using active transportation to
35:26find the best routes with so many great trails that people might not know about as
35:30grade like shortcuts that avoid busy streets.
35:33And part of that is in the wayfinding strategy.
35:38And we've got a citywide parking strategy about to kick off as well,
35:44which is going to be probably of interest, I think, to Elhema, her say she's an
35:49expert in parking, so that perked my ears.
35:53We're working on tools for developers on how to support them and making developments
35:59that are more supportive of non-auto trips and reducing their parking requirements.
36:06And we just completed our Complete Street Design guidelines and a multimodal
36:11level of service, which is a mouthful.
36:13But basically that's a set of drawings that says in a perfect scenario,
36:18here's how you could deliver every kind of street in the city of Guelph per RTMP.
36:23And in every situation where you can't because you don't have enough room,
36:27here's a decision making tool to help you make those trade off decisions and just
36:32determine what goes and what stays in.
36:34So that's the multimodal level of service tool.
36:38And then, yeah, these are a lot of things that have been recently completed,
36:42which you can look into.
36:45So moving over out of my planning role into more of my colleagues,
36:49Transportation Engineering role, that's where the road safety work lives.
36:54So if you follow along, we recently published the Vision Zero Action Plan.
37:01So if you haven't heard about Vision Zero, it's
37:05basically the idea is that there's a societal cost to collisions involving
37:10vulnerable road users.
37:12They are obviously much more likely to be significantly injured or
37:17killed by a collision with a motorized vehicle.
37:21And so we as a municipality, as a government, as a society have a have a
37:26responsibility to look at how we can
37:29reduce or eliminate those collisions.
37:33And so it takes a state systems approach, which looks at assuming that death,
37:39serious injuries or unacceptable humans make mistakes.
37:43So we should be designing to accommodate for mistakes.
37:45Humans are vulnerable.
37:47We don't have metal shells around us all the time.
37:51And that safety is a proactive effort.
37:56There's been some really great work done in the city of Guelph around equity and
38:01road safety.
38:02One of our key experts, the supervisor of road safety, Dr.
38:06Lera's Friedman helped work with the Guelph Lab as well to develop this equity
38:11map. And so this map shows
38:15it's called Marginality Index.
38:16It's like the areas of the city that have the highest risks,
38:21socioeconomic risk factors.
38:23And then the dots show where we've had serious
38:26collisions causing serious injury or death of a vulnerable road user.
38:31And they are disproportionately located in higher marginality
38:36communities.
38:38And they're also the opposite of the locations where we get the most requests
38:42for traffic calming. So there's a bit of a disparity there.
38:45Anyway, the work has been really great and it helps inform some of the prioritization
38:50efforts we do moving forward.
38:52So when we're looking at where do we spend our money for protected bike lanes?
38:55Well, maybe we look to areas that have a higher rate of collisions and are also in
39:00a marginalized community.
39:03Operations is also the signs, lines and signals side of things.
39:07So this is the team that gets all of the complaints around speeding and traffic
39:12volumes. There's too much traffic congestion on my road.
39:15Can you please fix this light? It's not working.
39:18Somebody keeps parking on my street in front of my house.
39:20I don't like it. They get all those complaints and they respond to those.
39:25It's more vehicle focused than the work that my team does, but also obviously
39:30very important to making sure that our roads work safely for everybody.
39:34And so they do a lot of great work and they're very much provincially regulated.
39:39So all of their work is according to Ontario regulations.
39:45They're working with some pretty cool
39:46technologies as well. So a lot of the stuff that is going to come forward to this
39:50committee will be backed up with data that we're getting from live,
39:55real time data sensors and video collection technologies that were
40:00expanding throughout the city at our intersections.
40:03So this is just an example of I think it's our our myo vision traffic light
40:09cameras. They don't identify anything personal.
40:12They just help say this many cars went through this intersection.
40:16Here was a near miss.
40:18Here's how many pedestrians walked across.
40:20Here's many bikes went through.
40:21So it's really great for us to try to capture some data.
40:26This is just another way that we can look at that data.
40:32In terms of our traffic signal system, we have at the time of this presentation,
40:37we had 207 signals, it's always growing.
40:40148 of those are for intersection control, but 59 and growing are pedestrian signals.
40:46So we have a really robust pedestrian crossover, pedestrian activated signal system.
40:53We're really trying to improve particularly trail crossings, mid block
40:57crossings, and now we're looking more and more at high volume transit stations as
41:02well, where maybe it makes sense to put in mid block crossings.
41:07Next step, we have a project hitting the ground now, I think,
41:12that's looking at our signal system preemption.
41:15So this is where we can have, I don't know, I don't know the details of this,
41:19but you have like transponders on our buses and our emergency service vehicles
41:23that can trigger the signal to give them priority to move through.
41:27Yes.
41:28Emergency services gets preemption, meaning like they show up the light switches,
41:33transit gets priority, which is different, not preemption.
41:36It doesn't switch the light, it just sends communication and at a convenient time,
41:40starts it earlier than the preemption.
41:43Thank you.
41:45All right, so that was all that I was going to say.
41:49I'm going to now pass it over to Laura.
41:51She's going to take it off from here.
41:52I can share, actually.
41:53I've actually loaded it all up too, so that should work.
41:58All right.
42:01OK, so I'm going to talk very overarching about our Guelph Transit Future
42:07Ready Action Plan.
42:09So our slogan is on your way.
42:13Essentially, this plan is hoping to get everybody moving around the city more
42:18conveniently, talking about that competitive nature with the car,
42:23making it a reliable transit system that meets the needs of people today and tomorrow.
42:27So with this, the plan implementations,
42:33the goals are to have a more grid like system that can make trips more direct
42:38with fewer transfers or in some areas encourage greater transferring because it
42:44gives you convenience of time with new route types.
42:48Now a route type, there's different types we already have in our network.
42:52There's something called a core route.
42:54A core route is our route 99.
42:56It runs on all holidays, all the time.
43:00It has the highest frequencies.
43:02Our base routes are numbered one to 20.
43:06And those are all of the routes that are functioning regularly, but on a stat
43:11holiday or special services, they're either reduced or fully removed.
43:16When we're looking at University of Guelph, there are specific university
43:22routes, 50, 52, 56, 58, that are catered.
43:27They come in from September until April and then they come out for the summer period
43:32and they align with the school season.
43:34There will also be coming this September a new Conestoga Express that will
43:39service the Conestoga campus on Speedvale from the downtown terminal.
43:43And lastly, we have on demand
43:48that functions in a few ways.
43:50Our community bus style is changing as of September, but on demand is our other
43:55type of service that we do provide.
43:58Our network has historically been a lot of one way loops.
44:03We call them hub and spoke.
44:04So essentially the hub and then everything goes out and comes back into the hub.
44:09So this is the introduction of a network that moves a bit away from it.
44:14It still has some of the elements of that hub and spoke, but our is encouraging
44:18more grid like travel with more core route introduction.
44:21So within this, we will see the 98 Speedvale, which is a full
44:27crosstown east west on Speedvale, the 96 Victoria, which is top to bottom Victoria,
44:34the 97 Edinburgh, which will cover Edinburgh and come down into Clare.
44:39Everything will connect at the South Hub along with the 99.
44:42We will also see it won't be a core service, but east west with Stone 24 in the future.
44:49So we're looking at building more of this
44:51cross traveling east west, more access like right now.
44:56If you lived in this area of Speedvale, you would actually have to travel into
45:01the hub and connect into a different route to get out to the other side of Speedvale.
45:06So this is creating more connections for people.
45:10And as we continue to look at our plan as we move forward,
45:13we're going to be looking at adding even more grid like in and eliminating
45:17some more of our hub and spoke system.
45:20In twenty twenty one, this was our ten year approved plan from Council.
45:25So once fully implemented, we will be at this time pending budget twenty
45:32thirty one full implementation of the network and changes that we have planned.
45:37And really, like in terms of within this document, it not only defines where
45:44our network is going, but it also helps us define what is our service standards.
45:49So we previously were applying amenities, introduction or service level targets
45:57on using data, but not having essentially like a consistent framework that we can
46:02apply back so transit service standards, our sense of guidelines that we can use
46:07to actually design our network.
46:08So this is broken into
46:14how people are actually like what's the walk distance to get to one of our bus
46:19stops itself? We aim for a four hundred meter walk distance
46:23or travel distance to get to a bus stop.
46:26Within that, what is the spacing between our bus stops?
46:30What we aim for about two hundred and two hundred and fifty meters between each
46:34of our spacings, depending on what is in that area.
46:38Sometimes you might see higher closer together based on like a corridor or
46:44downtown area, whereas the further you move out and you have less residences or
46:49less businesses, you'll see it a little more spread out.
46:53It also helps us figure out where are we actually going to put our our bus stops
46:59in theory? So we want as we move forward, our aim is to always install
47:04a bus stop, not in a mid block crossing that aligns with our vision zero and our
47:10community road strategy from years ago that's now enveloped itself into new plans.
47:17And it also focuses on implementing bus stops and locations that are near
47:22side of the intersection and not far side.
47:26So it could be that it's still installed far side, but we have a preference now of
47:30where we will install first.
47:33And really, it's also coming up with a list of who is approved for bus stop
47:38amenity and what does that list look like?
47:41So a lot of people are like, I want to shelter at my location.
47:44Well, we have a list of priorities of how you get one.
47:48And depending on a big factor is ridership.
47:51Sometimes if it's near vulnerable populations like a senior center,
47:56that might warrant having coverage.
47:58But ultimately, we use a set of standards that we can go and apply to each of the
48:03request locations and we make our amenities list each year.
48:06We aim to be fully AODA compliant as of right now, without the areas that don't
48:13have sidewalk access, like our Northwest Industrial, for example,
48:17all of the places that we can put a concrete pad that connects to a sidewalk.
48:21We are 99 percent AODA compliant.
48:24At the end of this year, we will have all of those installed.
48:27So as we continue to develop our sidewalk connections
48:31throughout the city, we'll be able to continue to make all of our bus stops AODA
48:35compliant to match that.
48:37And in terms of our service level targets,
48:39there's some pieces that we also look at.
48:42So how many people are actually riding
48:46on a bus per trip?
48:49And based on that number, it can drive an expansion request for either new service
48:56or added frequencies.
48:59With that also, there's measures that say on your first hour and your last hour
49:04of service, if it hits a certain passenger load, it warrants enough demand to add one
49:11more hour of service on either end.
49:14We also look at on time performance measures, what we consider within our realm
49:19of control, we typically say you can be up to one minute early or five minutes late,
49:26we're considering you on time for pickup.
49:29We aim to never be early.
49:31We would rather, as bad as it sounds, be late because we don't want you to ever miss
49:36your trip, so we're much stricter on early.
49:40And our late is more an indication of is it construction?
49:43Is it driver and how it's operated?
49:46Is it a different factor that's coming into the route that's causing this delay
49:50rather than the actions of running early or hot, as we would refer to it?
49:57And really, it's coming up with those measures where we can look at our
50:02service and actually be able to come now and say, well, you have approved these
50:06measures for council and that based on our measures that we've chosen,
50:11this warrants future expansion into new area or new routes.
50:15And with that, Jenny mentioned the Guelph Innovation District, we called the GID.
50:22It is in the area of Victoria,
50:26Stone, Watson and York, that whole area.
50:31And it's being developed in different blocks and phases.
50:35But within that,
50:37we aim to have a certain coverage based on jobs or people per hectare.
50:42So when we look at the GID, the GID to us
50:45qualifies as having being able to service something new based on the number of jobs
50:51or houses and people that will be in that area.
50:54So some targets that we provide for ourselves.
50:59Now, in terms of where we are going this year and next year,
51:02this year, we will see a route five enhancement in the south end.
51:06It will be moving Monday to Friday,
51:10every 15 minutes from seven to nine p.m.
51:13And on Saturdays, every 20 minutes from seven to six p.m.
51:17This aligns with passenger loads in demand,
51:21connections to businesses in the south end, the demand, the growing demand from
51:25the University of Guelph and just student travel, I would say when we look at student
51:30maps and travel, Conestoga tends to spread itself throughout the whole city of
51:35living in rentals for students.
51:37University of Guelph is quite concentrated in the south end majority.
51:41They are everywhere, but mostly in the south.
51:44And I did mention that Conestoga,
51:47there will be a new express that is this photo that you're seeing here.
51:51This exact rooting that we're seeing,
51:54the Conestoga Express will stay next year.
51:57And the new route 98 is our first piece of that east-west cross town that we were
52:03discussing.
52:04That 98 speed veil, we anticipate that there's still a lot of construction that's
52:09happening on speed veil.
52:11So rather than introducing a route where we go on detour for the first two to three
52:15years of its existence, instead we're phasing in because this portion has completed
52:21construction on speed veil.
52:23So same footpath, whereas the express will have about six to seven stops in each
52:29direction, this would be all stops going into that portion of speed veil and back
52:35into downtown.
52:38Now,
52:40I figure at the end we'll kind of be able to have an open forum for questions
52:45related to TMP and FRAP.
52:47Now, a future ready action plan.
52:50We call it FRAP.
52:51It's very mouthy.
52:52So picture it like a coffee.
52:54That's what it reminds our DCAO of.
52:56So one thing that we I wanted to bring forward today to have a discussion with
53:01everybody in the Transit Advisory Committee, we were talking last year and this
53:07year of completing a mobility services assessment.
53:10Mobility services is our paratransit service and it
53:15operates right now with 10 full time employees, extra board employees.
53:20We also have contracted taxi service that is an overflow for when we don't have
53:25enough availability within our service.
53:27So we looked at this service because within our future ready action plan,
53:31it actually doesn't talk about paratransit at all.
53:34It only talks about conventional bus.
53:36And so we started doing our own assessment of the program to see how efficient is it?
53:43What changes could we be making and setting ourselves up for incorporating this
53:47into a future plan with our FRAP.
53:49So ultimately last year we went out, we spoke to our customer base.
53:53We either emailed them or sent them letters to their houses.
53:56We wanted to directly speak to our clients and understand their experience.
54:01And from this it helped inform our assessment.
54:05We also looked at comparator information.
54:07We did comparator surveys.
54:09We spoke to our mobility dispatchers to understand what is life booking?
54:13What are your complications?
54:14What do our customers have to go through?
54:17And in the end, we ended up coming out with a list of recommendations
54:22that we're looking to move forward as what we consider as quick wins.
54:26Things that don't come with budget that would be presented in a formalized plan
54:30to counsel. These are things that we can fix for our customers or our employees
54:34today and what what can we do with those?
54:37So within that, though, we were talking about the customer survey that we sent out
54:42to our clients and what their experience was like.
54:46And so today is an update on those survey results.
54:50We did say in TAC that we would be bringing these results forward.
54:53And so we wanted to share them with you folks so you can kind of get a look into
54:59what's working well, what are some of our gaps, what were some of the common
55:03themes that we have received from everybody.
55:07So our most mobility assessment, as I said, was an internal assessment that we
55:11completed and had customer feedback.
55:13We spoke to dispatchers, we did comparator research and we gathered data and analysis.
55:18So the Canadian Urban Transit Association has a collection
55:23of data that it grabs from each agency each year in May and it comes out with a
55:28fact book. So you're able to pull out every other agency's metrics on how much
55:34are they spending and operating costs compared to you, how many vehicles,
55:37how many employees do they have.
55:39And so we were able to take this and see for people who we consider our comparator,
55:43how are we doing? Are we doing better? Are we doing worse?
55:46And what does that look like?
55:48So within our users, we have 500 unique users.
55:54We received 111 survey responses, which I would say is a pretty great one in five
56:00turnout for our customer base.
56:02A lot of our customers are
56:06like part of different kinds of groups, a lot of seniors, of course.
56:11So that's why we wanted to make sure
56:14different kind of perspectives were able to come in and our application or sorry,
56:17our survey really had five major parts.
56:21Eligibility, like how did you find us?
56:24What was that experience like getting into our program or not?
56:27Sometimes we had heard from a couple who actually weren't but who had applied.
56:33Booking experience, now that you're a customer,
56:36what is it like to actually get a trip? Is it hard? Is it easy?
56:39What are our dispatchers like? Do you call? Do you use our app?
56:43Cancelations within our service.
56:4730 percent of trips are canceled last minute or a no show,
56:51which means we have 30 percent more capacity to give if we can do something about that.
56:56So we spend a little bit of time in our survey educating what cancellation impacts do.
57:01And we ask them, what do you feel is an appropriate amount of times?
57:06If you were to do this before we notify you, hey, here's your warning,
57:10we need to be more cognizant of our trips or our trip times and our cancellations.
57:16Our onboard experience, now you've got your ride, you're actually in our bus.
57:21What is it like? And after that, we also wanted to know communication.
57:25How do you hear from us? Is our outreach good enough?
57:29What can we be doing more of?
57:31So in terms of eligibility,
57:34seventy eight percent said that it was easy to find and submit in terms of barriers,
57:40finding and submitting the application.
57:42If you have a lack of internet access or printer access,
57:47the instructions felt unclear to some folks as well.
57:51Feedback on the form was mixed.
57:53Some respondents said that it was a good length and it was easy to complete.
57:57And others felt it was lengthy and complex.
57:59So when we actually look at our eligibility application,
58:03we're doing a comparator review and we have previously.
58:07Some places are as short as a two page application.
58:11We are the longest.
58:13We are 18 pages.
58:14However, there are four pages of info about our program.
58:19If you remove those, a lot of it is open space.
58:23But the content is really what we're trying to dig into when we go and look at that.
58:27So we're we're still looking into this one further.
58:30In booking experience, seventy seven percent
58:34book via our dispatchers.
58:35They call in and they book with them.
58:38Twenty three percent are booking online.
58:40We anticipate that as folks begin to continue aging and we see new users coming in,
58:46people who are in their fifties, sixties, seventies.
58:49Once they move into our service in 10 to 15 years, they're more tech savvy now.
58:54We kind of anticipate dispatching will begin to reduce itself and the app use will go up.
59:00But right now that's one of their main pieces.
59:03We book seven days in advance and a lot of people like gospel seven days ahead.
59:09As soon as our dispatch opens, they're calling and they're trying to book in their
59:13trips for the next week.
59:15Our dispatcher service was generally rated as easy and friendly.
59:19Booking online or through the app was generally easy, but could be slow and repetitive.
59:24For a place that's like wheeled trans TTC, you have so many operators that are working
59:31that when you go book, you can book same day.
59:33It's convenient.
59:34It's easy.
59:35It's not slow and repetitive.
59:37Well, well, transit, if we don't have enough people for that day that you're trying to
59:42book in, you're going to pick a time and then if it's not there, you have to go back,
59:47restart your query.
59:48Oh, it's not there.
59:49Go back, restart it again.
59:51And so we're looking in this, but we'd be altering our booking process a little bit
59:56differently where we show you a longer area because it could be you wanted to leave at
1:00:00nine, but you don't mind if you leave at 10, but you can't see that.
1:00:04And some people in this repetitive kind of nature, they choose to just stop browsing
1:00:09and they're like, you know what, I give up, I'm just going to take my car, walk,
1:00:13get someone to pick me up.
1:00:14So we're looking for ways that we can continue to improve the booking experience.
1:00:19Say almost 70 percent of people book seven days in advance.
1:00:23We would like to continue to lower the days in advance to make it more convenient
1:00:28for people to book and 68 percent had to change their plans due to unavailable
1:00:34trip times, which is a very big amount.
1:00:36So that shows us in a good way, our service has a lot of demand that we currently are
1:00:42not meeting.
1:00:45Now, cancellations, I had mentioned about 30 percent of trips are canceled last
1:00:49minute or are no showed.
1:00:50So we had asked, we explain, you know, why, but we asked them, why does this happen?
1:00:56If you're somebody who does do this, what are some of the reasons why you cancel
1:01:00last minute? So it could include I wasn't feeling well.
1:01:04I had unexpected change of plans.
1:01:06The weather actually is a very large factor,
1:01:09especially with this group of people who book with us.
1:01:12If it's bad weather, they have the availability to go on a different day.
1:01:16They today was, you know, unless it's Bingo, if they're going to visit a friend,
1:01:21they could go another day on a better weather.
1:01:23So I think a lot of things that we see in our big bus
1:01:26conventional is a lot different than when we look at our small bus mobility.
1:01:30And so we explained the implications of our canceling late.
1:01:34And many respondents didn't understand the toll of the cancellations are actually
1:01:39playing on other people when they're going to book.
1:01:41And it's they supported getting reminders before, for better,
1:01:46like before their trips so that you could cancel in advance of like, oh,
1:01:50my plans did change. Oh, I forgot.
1:01:52Whereas some people that that isn't always the case.
1:01:56We also find because of demand and it is more difficult.
1:02:00Some people circumvent our system and they book multiple trips
1:02:05because they don't know what one they want to take.
1:02:07So they'll book three, sometimes five.
1:02:10We've seen return trips in our service and then cancel late on four of them
1:02:15and keep the one that they wanted.
1:02:17So we're looking at some policies, which also were helped and informed
1:02:23through the survey of when do we that was my when do we come to you and say,
1:02:28OK, you've hit X number.
1:02:30We're having a problem now of behavior and bookings rather than, you know,
1:02:35you had a bad weather day and you wanted to cancel.
1:02:39In terms of onboard experience, positive feedback,
1:02:44staff are very friendly and very helpful for everyone's sake.
1:02:47Here, our customer rating on our mobility services, 4.8 out of five stars.
1:02:52So very happy.
1:02:54I would say our number one concern, which did come through in terms of feedback
1:02:59I've received over the years is bumpy rides in our vehicles.
1:03:02That is a number one.
1:03:04We have a different type of vehicle.
1:03:06It's essentially a pickup pickup truck chassis and then it's been converted
1:03:12into a low floor.
1:03:13We're looking at we've actually purchased two different types of mobility vehicles
1:03:17that are coming in next year.
1:03:18We've just purchased them for them to show up next year and actually go into service.
1:03:23And we're really looking forward to see customer experience and what they think
1:03:27about the new rides, consistent, inconsistent driver training.
1:03:31So there's a different need for these folks than there is on conventional.
1:03:37Very rarely do they have to secure mobility devices only upon request,
1:03:42whereas this is a constant.
1:03:45And so that's one takeaway that we're going to bring back and try and understand
1:03:49what does that mean?
1:03:51And sometimes the routing can be complex.
1:03:53It is a shared ride program.
1:03:55So it could be that you're kind of driving to four or five other places before you
1:04:00get to your destination.
1:04:03And last but not least was our communication.
1:04:05So most users learn about our changes through the email they provided for phone
1:04:10calls or by getting a letter mailed to them and their preferred methods for
1:04:15updates for their trips or for just general information from us are letters,
1:04:21emails or automated phone calls.
1:04:22So we're hoping that this can help inform new changes coming to programs and
1:04:27better communication in the future with our user group.
1:04:31So our next steps.
1:04:33This feedback helped inform our internal assessment.
1:04:37It helped build the foundation of understanding of our service,
1:04:40identify some gaps and also what we're doing well,
1:04:45recommended items for future exploration and then setting us up for future growth
1:04:51planning, so creating something that's adaptive and supportive to our customer
1:04:55needs as we move into the future as well.
1:04:59And at this point, that can open the floor for any questions related to
1:05:03all of the different kind of plans, policies and even the customer survey.
1:05:15It's a lot. We just fed you the fire hose.
1:05:21Well, thanks for that because it was kind of left up in the air when the committee
1:05:26ended and I also appreciate very much that you brought up this notion of industry
1:05:31standards because when people in the community you're talking about, oh,
1:05:35why doesn't Wolf Transit do this?
1:05:38I think this would be a good idea.
1:05:40It's always affirming to remind people that
1:05:45Wolf Transit is not just making up stuff.
1:05:47There's actually some professional standards out there based on cities our size
1:05:52that give you guidance.
1:05:56What's going to mention that for the booking, like you said, to have open slots so they
1:06:01can pick one book in front of you, like you're busy in the air, but to have all the
1:06:05open slots open, that'd be much more useful because I'm going back.
1:06:09Yeah, because I would write queries and like it would be a loop.
1:06:12You have to go back and back.
1:06:13Yeah, even for dispatchers, they were in the same at one point.
1:06:18And so we opened their availability in their window to see more so that they
1:06:23over the call could go, oh, I don't have that, but I do have this.
1:06:27And so we're looking to only for our on-demand service.
1:06:30Have we done that open?
1:06:32But for our mobility, we haven't.
1:06:33So we're looking to kind of make things consistent across our programs.
1:06:38Even our tech provider, is it used to us being so small?
1:06:42They're used to the bigger groups that they're like, well, the app doesn't really
1:06:46do that. And we say, but we need it to.
1:06:48They're like, OK, but like we didn't build it for that.
1:06:51We're like, right, but we're small and we're different.
1:06:54So yeah, you got it.
1:06:56Yeah.
1:06:57So what's the difference between on-demand and the mobility?
1:07:01So mobility, you are you have to qualify for mobility service.
1:07:06You would have to put in an eligibility application that also comes with medical
1:07:10support, depending on your age.
1:07:12Anyone over 80 gets accepted into our program.
1:07:15Anyone under would need to come with
1:07:18another application where we would review it.
1:07:21In order to be
1:07:25to qualify, you're unable to walk further than one hundred and seventy five meters.
1:07:30You can't use conventional bus service based on your accessibility and your needs.
1:07:35Wheelchair or a different type of assistive device.
1:07:40It can even be like braces or or cane walker, etc.
1:07:45Scooters.
1:07:48But ultimately, it's your your medical assessment that also comes in with your
1:07:52package that qualifies you, whereas on demand is bookable.
1:07:57Anyone here could use on demand.
1:07:59It is
1:08:01depending on what you're doing, like on a Sunday, you can go any stop within the city
1:08:06and you can trip plan between those or connect to ninety nine or go into downtown.
1:08:12Same with as we move into September,
1:08:16we're changing a little bit of what the community bus looked like.
1:08:19It was our on demand Monday to Saturday.
1:08:21Only the stops that live outside of our walk distances will remain.
1:08:25So anything over four hundred meters from a bus stop,
1:08:28those stops will stay and you'll be able to trip plan from there to a hub,
1:08:32which is what we call a first last mile connection,
1:08:36getting you into the conventional bus service hub to then transfer onto conventional.
1:08:42So really, they're a similar service in the sense of the buses are similar,
1:08:49but they're different mobility you would qualify for.
1:08:53So I'll have your hands, please.
1:08:57Yes, thank you, Jennifer, comprehensive presentation covered all the interesting
1:09:02stuff in transportation.
1:09:03I only have one question regarding the survey that you mentioned,
1:09:07like there were one hundred and eleven participants, if I'm not mistaken, right?
1:09:11Is there any plan in the future to increase this number and like have more feedback
1:09:17from citizens and then we can plan better based on that?
1:09:21Because like considering the 12 population,
1:09:26100 feedback, I'm not sure how we are sure that we are covering like different
1:09:33ideas and different users and everything.
1:09:36Thank you so much.
1:09:37No problem.
1:09:38So I think you're referring to the Mobility Service Survey.
1:09:41So they only have 500 users in total and received one hundred and eleven responses
1:09:47to the survey for our general transportation survey.
1:09:51We're targeting, I think, 2400 responses for the transportation
1:09:57demand management project that we're doing right now.
1:10:00That would be our 20 percent.
1:10:03No, that's our five percent sample size to make these statistically significant.
1:10:08And that's consistent with like a household travel survey,
1:10:12like what we do for census or transportation tomorrow survey.
1:10:18Excess, thank you.
1:10:21Still any other questions?
1:10:24Well, I know.
1:10:25Go ahead.
1:10:26I was just curious if there was any like feedback or insight on in terms of users
1:10:32of this system in terms of having to book seven days in advance, like regardless
1:10:35of capacity. So interestingly enough, we used to have shorter and this is years ago,
1:10:42I want to say like 10, 12 years ago, and it was expanded to seven days where our
1:10:47service looked different than now.
1:10:50A lot more people want that on demand experience and they want those windows smaller.
1:10:54So I can kind of see in our future that we're
1:10:59kind of wiggling down for some.
1:11:02They enjoy being able to plan further out for others.
1:11:06They want that convenience.
1:11:07It's a unique group, so it'll take some time to get them used to a new number of days
1:11:13as well, so we can't convert from seven to now.
1:11:15We're like one day ahead and they're like, what?
1:11:18So we need to do some work as well and engage them properly, leading up to any
1:11:24changes that we see, but for a lot of like comparators and other agencies,
1:11:31AOD, AYs, you should be able to access a trip anytime you want.
1:11:36Conventional, as long as the bus is running and it is not extremely full and you
1:11:41can't get into it, you're able to get out of get off your bed, get off your couch,
1:11:45go catch one like that.
1:11:47And so mobility service long term needs to be able to get there too.
1:11:51At the same time, you need to provide the exact same access to all types of users
1:11:56and abilities.
1:11:59Question about what we can and cannot bring forward here.
1:12:02Are we allowed to make suggestions about the design of bus stop markers themselves?
1:12:07Not the shelters, the markers, the boats.
1:12:11So the info post at the bus stop?
1:12:14The info post with the visibility specifically.
1:12:17Like this thing, this is the bus stop.
1:12:18Yes.
1:12:19Yeah.
1:12:21I mean, to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, Garrett,
1:12:25we don't go into the operational like the day to day, but I feel like in terms of
1:12:29a wayfinding strategy or other kinds of things like that, I think that that will
1:12:33qualify in terms of like a little more strategic or community based, right?
1:12:38Yeah, 100%.
1:12:39You can bring that forward if you have plans to bring that forward and get feedback
1:12:43from the committee.
1:12:43Alternatively, when we get a little bit further into it,
1:12:46you could recommend that that be added and then staff could be there to support
1:12:49with questions and stuff like that, just to have a discussion to provide feedback.
1:12:53Not saying it will lead to anything because they may not have it in a work
1:12:56plan, so I'd recommend working together, but there are multiple avenues to have
1:12:59that discussion.
1:13:00OK, thanks.
1:13:01I will say Rewind 2017.
1:13:06Guelph Transit didn't engage anybody.
1:13:08We did think a lot differently back then and we just removed all the info posts
1:13:12and it didn't go well.
1:13:13And then we put them all back.
1:13:15And we're looking to see truly we're kind of starting in talks right now of
1:13:20coming out to everybody like in the public and engaging everybody and going like,
1:13:24what do you actually need?
1:13:25Like, is this the right look and feel?
1:13:28Does it include all the information?
1:13:30Is it overkill?
1:13:31Like, if you've come to the bus stop, you already knew where you had to go,
1:13:35which means is that you just showing up and you want the gut check that you're in
1:13:38the right spot or do you really need a full schedule that shows you 90 different
1:13:42things? So we're looking.
1:13:45This year, I believe to come out.
1:13:48So keep your eyes out because we'd love to hear.
1:13:51And that will most likely also come into one of our TAC meetings to come and engage
1:13:55you on either what our findings are or even what we're going out to ask everybody.
1:14:01So yes, keep your eyes open for that.
1:14:06So ideally is your goal for the mobility transit for to do like book same day?
1:14:12Eventually, is that your end goal?
1:14:13That is the goal.
1:14:14Yes. Same with on demand.
1:14:15Right now, on demand is also seven days in advance.
1:14:18So if you have a holiday one week ahead, you can start booking in to the stock.
1:14:22So ideally, as we move forward, we're looking to get like literally on demand.
1:14:27So we feel trans.
1:14:28Yes, you got it.
1:14:32OK, so
1:14:35before we adjourn the meeting, actually, we have one very important item is to elect
1:14:40our chairs and white chair for this committee.
1:14:43So I would like to invite members to self-lomiting yourself or you can
1:14:47nominate someone or the members to be the chair for the chair first.
1:14:52And then we will vote for the vice chair.
1:14:55And what we will say is if anyone has any questions about what a chair or vice
1:14:59chair does, we'll have to answer those.
1:15:00But now it's on to one point to.
1:15:07I'm going to point to you.
1:15:08I'm sorry.
1:15:14Confession time.
1:15:17I did it for a while and Eldridge has been vice chair for a while.
1:15:23But I also want to say this is a really good opportunity,
1:15:27especially with backup from the clerk's office, if you want some experience
1:15:31chairing, because you can't screw it up because it's going to be there's going to be hell.
1:15:37All the pressure.
1:15:39Well, we were flying by the seat of our pants before.
1:15:42Like at one point, we were the administrators before.
1:15:45So it's good.
1:15:45You guys are here now.
1:15:46Thanks for that.
1:15:47So appreciate that.
1:15:49And thank you.
1:15:49And we will always have one of our staff here at least supporting.
1:15:53What we can say is if there's no interest right now, or maybe we'll have
1:15:56questions or want to think it over, we don't have to finalize that today.
1:16:01What we would do is we would add that to the start of the next meeting and we would
1:16:05finalize that before we get into any committee business.
1:16:08OK, so if there is no interest, although I'm seeing a couple of hands of
1:16:13days myself, we have two right here.
1:16:16We got three of the standards committee, these two rotators.
1:16:20So if we sort of something we do, what we will do is
1:16:24the person who becomes chair or vice chair now will be appointed until November
1:16:29twenty twenty six.
1:16:30That's when all of your appointments expire anyway, because that's the end of the
1:16:33term of council. OK, you're reappointed next year.
1:16:36We would do another chair following that.
1:16:38And usually we do them for a year.
1:16:40OK, this one's unique just because of the timing.
1:16:42So it's about a year and a half.
1:16:43But yeah, we usually rotate them one per year.
1:16:48So I put it up again.
1:16:50So I put my hands up for chair.
1:16:52I was the vice chair.
1:16:53OK, let's do chairs first.
1:16:55Only one. That was my plan.
1:16:57OK.
1:16:59I can do chair to you.
1:17:00I don't I put it forward to find other.
1:17:03It's up to you guys.
1:17:05I don't want to drop you.
1:17:06I guess.
1:17:10OK, so you would.
1:17:11OK.
1:17:12Yeah, chair.
1:17:13OK, so what we have to do is we have to actually move and pass a motion in that
1:17:18regard, so help me.
1:17:21Sorry, I apologize.
1:17:22Let's all get it.
1:17:23We'd like to move to.
1:17:25Yeah, would you like to move the motion that you're chair chair?
1:17:28Yeah, you moved the motion.
1:17:30OK.
1:17:31And then we need a seconder.
1:17:33Harry, yeah, thank you.
1:17:35And then what we would do is we would ask anyone opposed to the motion.
1:17:41So I don't see any opposed to the motion.
1:17:43Kerry, OK, yeah.
1:17:44And then for the vice chair, vice chair,
1:17:46Eldridge, Eldridge, would you like to move the motion?
1:17:49So I would say the seconder.
1:17:52OK, so maybe I'm telling you.
1:17:57Yeah, then.
1:17:59One, two, second.
1:18:00So I'll anyone against.
1:18:04OK, this motion Kerry, thank you.
1:18:07So we have chair.
1:18:10So, would you like to adjourn the meeting?
1:18:14If I order people to move first and then and in my day and I never do second and
1:18:20vote for that, thank you.
1:18:22Well, you adjourned the meeting and you in my one to move first.
1:18:28I'm first to adjourn the meeting.
1:18:30Yeah, thank you.
1:18:32Second.
1:18:32Yeah, second.
1:18:35There's always a seconder for adjournment.
1:18:39So you adjourned.
1:18:40Oh, thank you.
1:18:41So thank you very much.
1:18:42And the next meeting will be on the 17th of July.
1:18:47Thank you very much.
1:18:48Thank you.
1:18:50You're great.
1:18:51Thank you.
1:18:52You're very much.
1:18:54Well, the engineers will eat this.
1:18:57And we're excited.
1:18:58Oh, yeah, we're like both first.
1:19:00Anytime someone has stuff that's like this.
1:19:03Running out to get candies and treats and pastries and.
1:19:07Yeah, I still hope the bubbly in my back.
1:19:11Bye.
1:19:12I think I'm your agenda items.
1:19:16If you want to add any in for next July.
1:19:21I mean, this July.
1:19:24Bye.
1:19:28Yes, very much like the two meetings to have.
1:19:31Yeah, exactly.
1:19:33It's going to be well, Allen, now all of that stuff.
1:19:36So you don't want us like we're not in topics.
1:19:38That's a lot of hardest thing before truly was making the motion.
1:19:43Yeah, we'll write the wording.
1:19:45And then we do something like I don't know what we're supposed to say.
1:19:49And we like already we come in and we rewrite them of like what we think it would
1:19:53be and then try and work with.
1:19:55But it was complicated when you don't know how to make motions properly.
1:19:59Right.