Heritage Guelph

0:00Since we have quorum, we will begin today's meeting. So hello and welcome everyone to our November 13th meeting. We have 1 meeting left after this for the year, which is.

0:10Exciting and wild. I can't believe it's been a year on the committee already, but we'll get into today's meeting. So I'll start with our territorial acknowledgement.

0:21As we gather, let us take time to reflect on our privilege to live and work in Guelph, a city built over rich indigenous histories.

0:28We are guests here and we should reflect upon the responsibility to care for this land, the people who live here today and the generations to come.

0:37If our actions today can move us towards reconciliation, we should take pause and make those decisions with intention and gratitude.

0:44This place we call Guelph has served as traditional lands and a place of refuge for many peoples over time, but more specifically the Adawandron and the Haudenosaunee.

0:54This land is held as the treaty lands and territory with the Mississaugas of the credit First Nation.

0:59Guelph lies directly adjacent to the Haldeman tract and is a part of a long established traditional hunting ground for the 6 nations of the ground river.

1:07Many First Nations, Inuit and Métis peoples who have come from across Turtle Island call Guelph home today.

1:14Thank you for that.

1:17The first note on our agenda is disclosure of any pecuniary interest and the general nature thereof.

1:22So I'll ask if any committee members have anything to declare.

1:26No, seeing no hands and no one moving to unmute. We will continue.

1:34So the first actual item then is the approval of the minutes from October 10th.

1:40So could I have someone move and then second the approval of those minutes?

1:45Shout out as a mover. Thank you. And a seconder.

1:50Thank you to Kim and then all in favor and Miranda will just need to see you. You just went away.

1:57Perfect. I'm here. Yeah. Excellent. Thank you, Miranda.

2:03All right, so for our committee items, I have 1 item to note that isn't on the formal agenda, but it's to note.

2:09The resignation from the committee of Michael Winters and David Waverman.

2:13And I've only been on the committee for a year and I believe both of you have been on the committee for significantly longer than that.

2:19So a formal acknowledgement and an appreciation of your work and time on the committee and the support you've given to heritage Guelph.

2:26And of course, recognition of all your work that you've done. So thank you to both of you. I'm not sure Michael Winters is with us, but I know David is. So.

2:33So thank you, David. I read your lips that said you're welcome. Don't worry.

2:39Thank you.

2:43All right, so into today's formal agenda, we have 1st, step 80 and 1, 10, Dunlop drive, addendum number 1 cultural heritage resource impact assessment from Stephen.

2:58Thanks, Sarah. I'm just going to share my screen here with a few.

3:05Slides that will help the discussion.

3:11Just let me know when you can see that on your screen, Sarah.

3:14We're good. Okay. I'm just going to go. Okay.

3:25Today's this item is to present staff's recommendations regarding 80 and 110 Dunlop drive.

3:36It is the presentation to heritage Guelph or providing to heritage Guelph and addendum that's been made by a comm consultants for the

3:47The existing cultural heritage resource impact assessment. This was provided as part of the site plan review process for an application for a site plan approval being made for the Guelph transit and fleet services facility.

4:03And I'll just maybe show you the slides that I have just so that we know what visuals we can refer to. This is an image of the proposed site plan for the property known as 80 and 110 Dunlop drive.

4:22And I have a zoomed in a slightly zoomed in for a bit more detail and we can come back to these images and also an image that we all know quite well now, which would be the extent of the Ontario reformatory heritage conservation district brown boundary.

4:40So going back.

4:43I am

4:48Just wanted to make sure that the committee is aware of the information that's been provided, which was the document itself, which was an addendum to the February 20, 2022.

5:02Heritage impact assessment.

5:04The initial assessment was received by heritage Guelph in 2022. So this essentially is sort of closing that loop as far as this development proposal.

5:17As far as the review of any impacts that might be on cultural heritage resources within the property in question.

5:26So as you can see with the site plan and keeping in mind the boundary of the heritage conservation district.

5:34The Guelph transit and fleet services facility is actually being proposed completely outside of the heritage district boundary. Now, I don't know if you can see my cursor, but

5:47The cursor I'm sort of slowly outlining what the blue line or blue dash line that represents the the Ontario reformatory heritage district boundary.

6:00The yellow hatched line or area is the

6:05It's not only the Ontario reformatory quarry area, but it also represents a buffer zone that's been established by the heritage impact assessment for that would limit development or proposed development outside of that buffer area.

6:24So again, you can see that the proposed building for the facility, the road structure network, the electrical substation here is all outside or you could say adjacent to the heritage conservation district area.

6:42What is proposed within the HCD area is a small surface parking lot, which is meant to.

6:53It's it's part of the site plan application process for the transit facility, but it is intended also to service future trail connections around the quarry area.

7:05And beside that you can see

7:09You might not be able to see it very well because this is I'm apologize for the resolution of this image, but a storm water a small storm water management pond.

7:19That that is required is one of two ponds required for the services facility just on the west side of that small parking lot.

7:30So I will just

7:34The what's the intention today is to provide the committee with a summary of the addendum made by a com to their impact assessment.

7:45And also point out that the impact assessment addendum recommends that the wealth transit and fleet services facility site plan. It meets the recommendations developed in that cultural heritage impact assessment.

8:01So what I would like to

8:06Just point out to the committee members is that there was information in the staff report that summarizes essentially what the addendum adds to the initial impact assessment and several of the and with some additional recommendations that the consultant had made.

8:25But I've brought three staff recommendations that are seen in the agenda. And before we get to those I'd be happy to answer any questions from the committee members just to make sure that that what's being proposed here and and what heritage planning staffs review of this project.

8:47Just the nature of that.

8:50So I'm happy to answer questions.

8:53Yeah, go ahead, David.

8:54I will stop sharing.

9:00Oh, you're good now. Oh, now you're muted.

9:09Okay, sorry.

9:11Stephen and looking at the all of the documents.

9:21It seems that there's there's no reason why we shouldn't go this route.

9:26Not that is there anything that we're missing. Like, are there any.

9:30Do any downside that's not apparent on this.

9:34If we go this route.

9:36I think that and just before I answer your question, David, I can I'm happy to put the imagery back up if it's helpful, but staff. Here's planning staff are in agreement with the consultants recommend that we go to the

9:54site plan review.

9:55I don't see any downside to it. I see.

9:58Actually, I what I'm.

10:01I myself am keen to see is that parking may make it easier to facilitate the feature trail system in this area.

10:08And I'm pleased to see that.

10:10I'm pleased to see that there's no negative impact.

10:13I'm pleased to see that I myself am keen to see is that parking may make it easier to facilitate the feature trail system in this area.

10:23And I'm pleased to see that and which is what the consultants are recommending that all development is not on if it's not actually outside the district boundary.

10:33If it that portion of it that's within it is outside of the buffer area for the quarry.

10:39Okay. Thank you.

10:44Go ahead.

10:46Yeah, it's a lovely, you know, study I enjoyed it. But there are two aspects that, you know, like, I kind of find missing one is like a section through which you can see and feel the, you know, the visual impact that has been mentioned that, you know, that there will be no visual impact.

11:08You know that it's a parking that are no, you know, like construction elements being built, but still like to visualize, you know, the section would would help.

11:20Another issue is the environmental impact, you know, like, is there going to be any pollution that might, you know, affect the area, you know, due to the, you know, the cars, you know, and, you know,

11:36So these two aspects, you know, like, I would like can clarify some of them if there is any. Thank you.

11:48I'll shout out. I'll start with your second question, which I think is not necessarily within the scope of a heritage planning review of this proposal, but I'm sure that environmental impact comments to that effect would be would be created during the site plan review process.

12:09Your first question about a section view, I don't have access to a section of the proposed building for the wealth transit.

12:19But I'm my understanding is that the building that's being proposed, a lot of the building is actually being built underground or subterranean.

12:29And essentially, even though it's a large building, my understanding is that it's essentially single story.

12:36So, but to answer your question more directly, I don't at this point, I just have a site plan that I can propose. So, and with a fair amount of confidence in my part, due to how much I've learned so far that the the massing of the building as well would not have a negative impact on the adjacent heritage district.

13:04Thank you. Thank you.

13:06Are there any other questions or comments?

13:16None. I'll read out the the recommended motions potentially, but we'll read it as one motion.

13:22So that heritage wealth receive a dendem number one cultural heritage resource impact assessment.

13:2780 and one ton Dunlop drive a calm August 2023 for the proposed wealth transit and fleet services facility and that heritage wealth supports the recommendations within a dendem number one cultural heritage resource impact assessment 80 and 110 Dunlop drive a calm August 2023.

13:43As presented at their meeting of November 13 2023, and that comments made by heritage wealth regarding the proposed wealth transit and fleet services facility developed, which relate to heritage conservation can be included in staffs comments during the site plan review process.

13:59Is there someone to move the motion as read.

14:04Thank you, David. Do I have a seconder? Thank you to Lara and then all in favor.

14:10And Miranda just need to see your lovely face as well. If possible.

14:15Thank you.

14:21Alright, so moving forward, we now have 76 water street heritage permit application with a presentation from Jack.

14:31Thank you, Sarah. I'm just going to share my screen.

14:42Okay, so I, I think this is a pretty straightforward heritage permit application for property.

14:50Designated in the Brooklyn and college Hill, HCD, but classed as non heritage district appendix.

15:00So the house itself dates from about 1920.

15:06And the owner is proposing some changes in preparation of more significant changes down the road that'll come through a second heritage permit application.

15:18On the front facade, he is going to be replacing the door and the windows.

15:25He's going to be enlarging this window opening, which is actually he's returning it to a size that it was in the 60s and 70s.

15:37The bulk of what he wants to do right now is to remove a 1967 rear addition to the property.

15:45You can see in this second image here, this is the addition that he will be removing down to the joists.

15:53Staff have confirmed that it was added in 1967 and the owner says that it's, it's rotting and deteriorating in places.

16:02So he's, he's going to remove it down to the joists and then he's going to submit a second heritage permit application once he has designs for a rebuilt addition in the same location.

16:17You can see here in this photograph, the addition bumps up a little bit from the original roof line.

16:23And you can see the, the cinder block foundation, it's only about 11 feet long. It's not very big. I think it's two rooms on the interior.

16:35This is the window he's proposing to use on the front facade.

16:41This is the door. I'll note that none of the original windows from the 1920s house remain and similarly the front door is also modern unit.

16:54You can see this is what the property look like in 1975 when Wang was going around taking his photographs.

17:04So I don't see any, any issues with any of these proposals that property owners indicated that he intends to when he does pursue the second stage of alterations he's considering.

17:20So I'm just going to look at his eyes and eye towards making changes that are all in line with the character of the neighborhood he's considering, you know, brick cladding, for example, on the exterior and I'm going to work with him to ensure that the addition design that he does make is going to be compatible with the neighboring properties.

17:39But yes, I'm recommending approval of this permit application.

17:44I'm happy to answer any questions anybody may have.

17:48Yeah, it's a lovely huge building. But I have an issue personal issue with the canopy. You know the canopy itself, you know, like this, you know, the last time kind of doesn't fit with the context but you know, can do nothing about it if you can comment to him if they can enhance it with you know replacing it or something it would add more to the beauty of the facade you know, simple straight forward.

18:19Thank you. Yep, I'll pass that along and I've been trying to find an earlier photograph of what the house may have looked like to kind of guide him with future alterations but I'll pass that comment along Joe debt.

18:31Their questions or comments.

18:42Okay, so our recommended motion is that heritage well provides the following comments to the general manager planning and building services with respect to the heritage permit application for 76 water street.

18:54The proposed alterations to 76 water street abide by the guidelines for the Brooklyn and College Hill heritage conservation district.

19:02So, anyone to move it. Thank you Miranda a seconder.

19:07Thank you, David and then all in favor.

19:12Thank you.

19:13Excellent. All right, our next agenda item is under designation updates. So we will go to Jack 428 North folk street, which is the same agnes school cultural heritage evaluation reports.

19:27Hello again.

19:34So I'm very pleased to be bringing this cultural heritage evaluation report to you all this morning.

19:42The, I want to, before I begin acknowledge that a lot of the research done for this report was compiled by Rebecca quark one of our summer research assistants so thank you Rebecca for all the work that's been done on this.

19:58So I'm going to begin. I'll provide a brief historic background. And then I'll go over my cultural heritage evaluation and the statement of significance.

20:10So the subject property is part of plan 8 church lands gifted to the Catholic church by John Galt in 1827.

20:20As the population of golf grew and the population of golf's Catholic population grew. So to did the ecclesiastic presence on Catholic Hill.

20:30For a couple of decades there was just one church building but slowly over time, the Jesuits built a rectory and the sisters of Loretto built a convent in 1856.

20:46The beginning, it was envisioned that this, the Catholic Hill would be a Catholic educational campus and it's no coincidence that the Jesuits ran the parish for so long, because they are an educational order.

21:04In 1863 the legislative assembly of Upper Canada passed what's known as the Scott Act.

21:11This guaranteed the rights of separate schools and provided a mechanism for public funding of Catholic education.

21:19So the ensuing decades after the Scott Act really saw an expansion of free day school, public education for Catholics across the province.

21:30In 1883 this parish built St. Stanislaus School for Boys and St. Agnes School for Girls.

21:46The Diocese of Hamilton commissioned architect John Hall Jr. to design the first iteration of St. Stanislaus and St. Agnes.

21:54Hall was raised in Guelph and was trained by a builder as his father. After a brief period working in the oil fields at Petrolia as a contractor, he returned to Guelph to pursue a career as an architect.

22:08And over the course of his brief career he designed nearly 30 commercial ecclesiastical and residential buildings in primarily Guelph, Listwell, Galt and Alliston.

22:21He designed several notable buildings in the city including the Gaudi Mansion on Glasgow Street, you can see on the left, and the Lion Mansion on Queen Street, which you can see to the right, which remains remarkably unchanged today.

22:37I just fond of old photographs.

22:43Hall became an alderman in the city, but died of pneumonia at the age of 46, three years after the completion of St. Agnes.

22:54So Hall's 1883 design was a one-story construction built with local limestone in the neoclassical vernacular.

23:03You can see in the 1882 Fire Insurance Plan, there was a protrusion onto Cork Street, so it's my assumption that the facade of the building once looked similar to what the rear of the building looks like today with the gabled, truiting frontispiece.

23:24As the story goes with many other old school buildings in the city, rapid population growth at the turn of the century meant that just a couple of decades after St. Agnes was opened, they were crowded again.

23:41And so in 1908 the diocese commissioned William Mahoney to add a second story to the building as well as tower on the front facade.

23:53You all may remember William Mahoney as the architect who designed the 1908 and 1928 constructions of tight-wear public school that I brought the CHER to you in June, I believe.

24:10So he designed his addition to St. Agnes in the Second Empire style with a hip roof and a tower topped with a steeply pitched hip roof and three dormers.

24:23You can see in this photograph the dormers no longer exist, as well as the wrought iron railing and the cross, which I believe the parish has those, but they're no longer on the exterior.

24:40The expanded St. Agnes school towered over the Cork Street landscape when it was opened and it still does to this day.

24:49In the mid-20th century, St. Agnes, St. Stanislaus, the Loretto Academy and Notre Dame High School were all located on the hill, kind of fulfilling the initial vision that this location would be educational campus for the Catholics of Guelph.

25:08However, in the later half of the 20th century, the maintenance of such small schools became too costly, and so Catholic schools were consolidated into larger institutions across the city.

25:20And though the Loretto Academy remains, the St. Stanislaus school is no longer here.

25:29So, of all the properties I've researched for designation, this one meets the most criteria. It met seven out of nine criteria.

25:42Firstly, I think it's a representative example of Second Empire style of institutional architecture in the city.

25:51It's important to note that we once had many examples of Second Empire institutional architecture, but all of these were lost during the urban renewal of the 1960s and 70s.

26:02So St. Agnes is the last remaining Second Empire institutional building that we have in the city.

26:08I believe it meets criterion four because of its direct association with Catholic education and the Sisters of Loretto.

26:20I believe it meets criterion five because it contributes to an understanding of the Guelph Catholic community and the development of the Catholic school system in the city.

26:31I believe it meets criteria, criterion six because it reflects the works of both John Hall, Jr. and William Mahoney, two significant Guelph based architects.

26:40And it's John Hall, Jr.'s last, one of his last institutional commissions and one of Mahoney's first.

26:51Lastly, I think it meets all three contextual criteria, which I've never encountered a property that has done that before.

27:00I think its location on the top of the hill as kind of the apex of Cork Street means that it's important in defining the character of the Cork streetscape.

27:13Its association with the other buildings on Catholic Hill means that it's functionally, visually and historically linked to the Catholic Hill cultural heritage landscape.

27:26And lastly, I think its location at the top of the hill makes it a landmark in the community.

27:33It can be clearly seen from the intersection of Windom and Cork a couple blocks away.

27:39So I think it's prominent location.

27:43I would consider it a landmark. Okay, that's the end of my slideshow.

27:52I'm happy to answer any questions the committee may have.

27:56I also, I need to say when I was reviewing my staff report, I noticed some spelling mistakes I called windtills, the stone above a window, I called it a lentil.

28:11It's, yeah, I know that it's not a lentil. I've made a note of that.

28:17Kathy.

28:21Thank you. Through you, chair. Have we had any discussions with the diocese regarding the designation?

28:30I have a meeting with them at the end of November where I'm going to discuss designation with them.

28:36But I'll report back on how those consultations go.

28:42Also, have there been any recent assessments of the condition? I know they've got slats on the outside.

28:50You know, I'm misopposing that to keep it in good condition.

28:55Yeah, not. I'm not aware of any like structural evaluations, but I know property standards has been keeping a good eye on it and because the parish has security.

29:09That helps kind of prevent unwanted trespassing and the windows have all been well boarded as far as I've seen for the last couple of years.

29:18Yeah, they've kept it pretty secure. Great. Thank you.

29:21Yes, David.

29:24Yeah.

29:26Are you aware? Are there any plans that we're aware of for the building or going forward that we needed that there was any rest to put the designation on it?

29:37I haven't been made aware of any plans, but I think heritage staff tend to categorize any vacant building as an at risk building.

29:49So I think it's fair to consider this building at risk and I consider it to be a high designation priority for the city.

29:58Thank you.

30:04Any questions or comments?

30:09Alright, I'll read our recommended motion that the comments provided by heritage wealth members on the 28 North Folk Street saying Saint Agnes School cultural heritage evaluation reports be provided to staff and council for their consideration.

30:22Is there a mover?

30:24Thank you, David and second or jout at perfect and all those in favor.

30:30Thanks everyone.

30:33We'll move along to 167 Suffolk Street West heritage attributes and designation recommendation with Victoria.

30:42Great. Thank you. I'll just share my screen quickly.

31:07So, just a short presentation today about 167 Suffolk Street as obviously in our most recent meeting, we went through the cultural heritage evaluation report, which identified it as a good candidate for designation.

31:26So, I only have a few slides, which so we can go over the proposed heritage attributes together as a committee.

31:34And here's a good photo of the property and kind of as a reminder, it's located on the north side of Suffolk Street West West of Yorkshire Street, North East of Arnold Street and South of home street.

31:50And just as another reminder.

31:53In the CHR, it was identified as meeting 4 of the 9 criteria.

31:59For determining cultural heritage value or interest and that includes design, physical value, historical, associated value and contextual value.

32:09And in as I was creating and putting together the list of heritage attributes.

32:18I determined that looking at the early use and time periods and additions of the property would be a good way to kind of focus the bylaw and the attributes identified for protection.

32:33So, in that when we look at the heritage attributes proposed, they're almost separated into the Cosset usage, the Gowdy usage and the Moorlach brothers usage.

32:45So, just to be very transparent, I'll read out the proposed attributes and then obviously allow time for committee members to provide comment.

32:57So, we've identified the exterior limestone walls of the 2 slash 2.5 story.

33:07Original construction from L Cosset as well as the original form, including the parapet to Gable roof.

33:14Then in the second usage, we're looking to protect the exterior limestone walls of the 2 story flat roof, Eastern Edition, which I will just go back to the photo so to provide some further context.

33:29So, again, we're looking at including or sorry, protecting the 2.5 story limestone exterior, as well as the Eastern Edition, two story limestone exterior, and then the original form of both including the parapet to Gable roof and the flat roof.

33:50We're also looking to include the Southern facade with coping at the top seen on the L Cosset construction.

34:02And then we're also looking to protect the exterior walls of the rock faced concrete block that was added by the Moorlach brothers.

34:13As well as the original form of the 10 Bay 3 story flat roof construction. And then lastly, the metal door to the original boiler, which is on the north side of the limestone exterior.

34:28So, really looking at protecting those external features.

34:35And obviously the staff recommendation is to hopefully come to a consensus about the heritage attributes today and then provide the advice to counsel to move forward with individual, sorry, individual designation of the property.

34:51So, would it be helpful if I continue to have the photo of the property upon the screen as we discuss, or should I just not share for convenience?

35:04I think you want to leave the photo up for a few moments and if it makes it complicated, we can always stop sharing. But are there any questions or comments for Victoria?

35:20Maybe even take your picture down because I'm not seeing.

35:23I'm blinded by the light right now, but I don't see any hands up for anyone unmuting.

35:34So, I'll read the recommended motion then, which is that heritage golf supports the heritage attributes identified for 167 Suffolk Street West as outlined in the staff report dated November 13 2023.

35:47And that heritage golf recommends that city council give notice of its intention to designate 167 Suffolk Street West pursuant to part for section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act.

35:57Do I have someone to move that motion?

36:01Thank you Miranda and a seconder. Thank you David Weberman and all those in favour.

36:07Fantastic. Thanks everyone.

36:12And next up we have a Ramos Road heritage attributes and designation recommendation from Steven.

36:43Steven, I think you might be muted. I can't hear you on my side.

37:03I can see your lips moving. I don't know if anybody else can hear Steven if it's just my computer, but you were definitely muted.

37:10I can't hear him either. Okay, good. So it's not just me.

37:48Okay, how is this Sarah?

37:50You're good. Okay.

37:52My apologies.

37:56I'll get back to sharing the information here. Okay.

38:08So do you do you see what the lead slide.

38:14Right now I'm seeing heritage attributes as the one that's clicked on.

38:21Okay.

38:23Okay. Sorry for the delay. I mean there's a,

38:27I probably don't have to give too much background with this. I mean there is a certain sameness to our presentation of when we get to the point where it attributes and designation recommendation as has been presented to heritage

38:42attributes.

38:44So we have a previous meeting at a previous meeting.

38:48The, the property at what known as 12 air master road has meets six of the criteria under the Ontario regulation 906.

38:58So maybe not as many as Jack had was was saying about St. Agnes but we have so many properties in the city that are high scores.

39:09And so heritage planning has made the property owner aware of the results of our cultural heritage evaluation report, which was supported by heritage Guelph at a previous meeting and also of the proposed heritage attributes that are being presented at today's meeting.

39:26Heritage planning has not received a response from the owner to date, but I'm happy to discuss this with them at any time.

39:36I'll switch to the attributes themselves.

39:3912 air master road, a very prominent corner building.

39:48Two stories tall and its attributes that are recommended would be its two story form as a corner building with elaborate roofline created by a red brick parapet, horrible brick corners and limestone coping.

40:03The original red brick exterior walls, pilasters and limestone belt courses facing air master road and Arthur Street are also important attributes.

40:14The carved date stone in the parapet parapet above the front corner door and the upper level window.

40:23The original window and door openings with course brick semi circular, segmental and flat arch heads and the rock faced sills are all attributes and the half glass front door.

40:38I'm sorry the half glass front corner entrance door, which is below a large transom window.

40:44And the second of two pages of attributes goes on to describe the two large storefront windows below a large wooden and tablature resting on brick pilasters with rock faced limestone capitals.

41:01The single the single door facing Arthur Street north with two pain transom below a course brick skewback arch head with the appearance of a retreating keystone constructed in brick is also an important attribute.

41:19And finally the two story north addition with its red brick exterior and stone coping above band courses of Corbled Brick over two large storefront windows is the final attribute that's recommended.

41:35So Sarah I'd be happy to answer any. I'm sorry I'm not quite done yet there is one more slide.

41:46And this is actually very important to point out that the property that we're calling 12 air massive road is actually two buildings and two buildings that are detached but very much related in the in the history of the property.

42:02So the second building on the property, which is a two story low pitch gable roof, the stable building has a Corbled Brick parapet and stone coping over the facade.

42:15Two buildings together create a triangular courtyard space between them at the corner of of Arthur and air massive road. So that is the sum of the heritage attributes that are being presented for heritage golfs consideration by heritage planning staff.

42:35I would be happy to answer any questions. Thank you Stephen. Are there questions or comments from committee members not seeing anyone on mute.

42:55I'll read our recommended motion.

42:59So that heritage golf supports the heritage attributes identified for 12 air massive road as outlined in the staff report dated November 13 2023.

43:07And that heritage golf recommends that city council give notice of its intention to designate 12 air massive road pursuant to part for section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act.

43:16Is there someone to move that.

43:18Thank you, David. And is there a seconder. Thank you, Lara and all those in favor.

43:27Excellent thanks everyone.

43:31I think our, our last one is going back to you, Stephen will stick with you for a little bit longer, which is 220 Gordon heritage attributes and designation recommendation.

43:43Great. Thanks again, Sarah. I want to say a big thank you to Kayla Anderson, who's been one of our heritage research assistants. She was with us this past summer to 2023.

43:56And Kayla, we need to thank her for all of her research work that contributed to the research for 12 air massive road, but also for 220 Gordon street that I'm about to describe.

44:09So 220 Gordon street the stone, another corner building prominent on one of the city's prominent Hills the college Hill.

44:20It meets as you found in the cultural heritage evaluation report it, it meets five of the prescribed criteria.

44:30And I'm going to share my screen to show what attributes.

44:37I will recommend that's heritage planning is recommending. Okay, you should see 220 Gordon street on your screen now.

44:49So a very, very prominent building. It's adjacent to the Brooklyn and college Hill heritage conservation district on the east side of Gordon street as you just start heading up college Hill.

45:04The recommended heritage attributes include the two story limestone corner building form with a rounded corner in the roof and stone exterior of the northern portion of the building.

45:18The attributes include the original limestone exterior facing Gordon street and James Street East and the east elevation facing the parking area.

45:29The limestone parapet on the west elevation marking the earlier north wall of the building.

45:36The original window and door openings in the stone exterior walls.

45:41The large storefront windows flanking the corner entrance, which is currently filled in with granite granite stone, like random granite stone.

45:53And I've double checked there are no subsequent slides. I think I believe that is the end of the list of the heritage attributes.

46:01So I'm happy to answer any questions from the committee about this prominent building.

46:09Thanks, Steven. So are there questions comments on the site.

46:13Sarah, I'm sorry. Can I just add one more point? I would like to tell the committee as well that as with the previous property, heritage planning has reached out to the fairly recent recently to the property owner.

46:33And but no response has been heard as yet.

46:39Thank you.

46:40If there are no questions or comments are recommended motion is that heritage wall supports the heritage attributes identified for 220 Gordon street as outlined in the staff report dated November 13 2023.

46:54And that heritage wall recommends that city council give notice of its intention to designate 220 Gordon street pursuant to part for section 29 of the Ontario heritage act.

47:03Is there someone to move?

47:06I saw David, we're going to go up first and Miranda for seconder that works for you. Perfect. All those in favor.

47:13Excellent. Thanks everyone.

47:16So next up is our chair and staff announcements and I believe David Kamaletti is going to give a bit of an update on the delegation to council.

47:26For 2187 Gordon streets.

47:30Oh, you're just muted.

47:32We get used to it. Thank you, Sarah. I attended on, I think it was 18th of October at the council at the council planning meeting.

47:43And Steven and Jack were both there.

47:47We were the last item on the agenda.

47:49But it went fairly quickly.

47:53I just spoke briefly. I emphasized that the heritage well focused on the development around the heritage attributes and making a decision.

48:02We were not focusing on any of the other considerations that the, that the owner had brought up such as, you know, time, time involved in coming up with options.

48:19And we emphasize the, the uniqueness of the property and the fact that it had been on the heritage register for over 10 years.

48:26Council adopted it very quickly. Stephen gave a detailed outline as well.

48:32And unlike the heritage meeting that in September, our committee meeting, there was no one from the owner there, including no legal council or anything.

48:41There was also the owner across the street, Mike Michael Longo came and gave a presentation support. So it was all fairly quick and it's good to see Kathy that how technically adept members of council are.

48:57And now there was a councillor in the 1990s. I don't think they could have functioned with that same degree of.

49:04Of expertise. That's subject to any questions that it went very quickly.

49:09It's moving.

49:12Thanks for that, David. And thank you for representing the committee. I know it was a quick sort of turnaround request, but I think it's always strong for.

49:19Every application, but for those, especially that I think there's some contention attached to to demonstrate why it's so valuable and the importance to heritage overall and well. So thank you for representing the committee.

49:30So I'll look to you, Jack, Stephen and Victoria if there are any other staff announcements.

49:35Yeah, I'll start us off with a couple.

49:39So, to begin with staff are drafting a RFP package for the Ward West heritage conservation district. So we hope to have that public by the end of the year so we can get going on that project.

49:55Secondly, I'd like to ask the committee to begin thinking about our 2024 designation priorities.

50:05And since we, you know, last year bill 23 came out and we had to respond very quickly.

50:11This year staff are we've gone through the register to identify properties that we believe would be good candidates for designation.

50:23So we're working on a report right now. So I, Stephen, Victoria and I sat down and we ended up flagging like 140 properties on the register. So we're going to try and whittle that down a little bit to the, the more important properties or higher risk properties.

50:38And then we'll provide that to you in December for your consideration and then hopefully in January we can identify another batch of priority properties.

50:50I just want to note that the priorities don't have to be any better suggested by staff. That's just going to be meant as a guide because, you know, we work with the register every single day. So we know it very well, but 1700 properties is definitely a lot to go through.

51:07Lastly, I'll just note at the November 21st council planning meeting we'll have 331 square road east and 49 Metcalfe Street notice of intention to designate reports.

51:19Those will be going to council.

51:22And that's that's the end of updates from me. I think Victoria, do you have any.

51:27Sorry.

51:29Were there any questions for Joe on either of the updates he provided.

51:33Thank you, Sarah.

51:34Yeah, Miranda.

51:36Jack, I'm trying to remember if the owner of 49 Metcalfe is engaged or has had some discussion with you.

51:44Yes, yep. I spoke with them and they're in support of designation.

51:48Okay, that's great news. Thank you.

51:50Yep.

51:54Yeah, I just a comment. I just want to thank staff for all the designations that have been coming forward. And I know it's a very busy time for heritage to go out for me. You got the heritage districts you're working on.

52:06And then, and you've been able to get all these designations through and, and working on them. So I just want to, I don't know if I can speak on behalf of council, but say we appreciate the work that you're doing.

52:19Anyway, thank you, Kathy. You got a great pace.

52:23It's a team sport.

52:29Questions and if not, well, I think Victoria's probably going to chat.

52:35Yeah, just in terms of kind of the new year things to think about.

52:42We are planning to come back to heritage golf and the public with the draft, the downtown golf, HCD study in the new year.

52:54So, obviously that will be on next year's agenda and hopefully everyone can participate in the open house as well to provide comment.

53:04And then additionally, something we're thinking about doing as well as doing outreach and kind of in tandem with our designation priorities.

53:15Doing some outreach to listed property owners to determine if there are any who are open to designation that we can add to our list.

53:25And I'll probably be in touch in the new year about if anyone on heritage golf would like to participate.

53:33We're thinking about doing a few workshops so that property owners can come in and learn more about the designation process and ask any questions they have or concerns.

53:45So if, yeah, if heritage golf members would like to be there to kind of, you know, be the face do some promotion for us, that would be great as well.

53:54And then also have a look out. So at the end of February is Heritage Week. So, in speaking with comms, we're probably going to be doing something similar to last year and where we highlight some heritage properties in golf.

54:09So if there's any you want to see kind of spotlighted during Heritage Week, let me know and I can definitely get started on those materials.

54:21Other than that, I think that's it for me.

54:24Victoria, I have a quick question for you. Was last year during Heritage Week when the you did the tours with the church and if so, would that be happening again this year or next year technically?

54:34Yeah, so this year we did do tours of the Basilica.

54:39We can do that again. I have an inside track, so to speak with the Basilica in terms of tours.

54:49However, I think we might highlight a different property just because it'd be great. We have a lot of other different resources available to the public. So, although obviously that is still something that can be discussed.

55:06Yeah, so we're still thinking about maybe we're also hoping to partner with the library for our workshops. So we might include some like a research workshop as well.

55:18That could be great to highlight during Heritage Week and how to do research on your property, how to maybe access resources about your family through census records, things like that.

55:29So, basically tours are definitely an option, although we might try to highlight something different in our community.

55:39For sure. Thank you.

55:41Any other questions for Victoria before we see Steven has any announcements?

55:49Anything from you, Steven?

55:53Nothing from me today, Sarah. Thanks.

55:56Excellent.

56:07I've done so well not being on mute until the very last moment.

56:11All right, so our last item agenda item then is adjournment. So if I can have someone move and second adjournment of our meeting.

56:22And I see Kim for move and David women for a seconder. All in favor.

56:28Excellent. Thanks everyone enjoy the rest of your Monday.

56:32Everybody.

56:36Bye everyone. Bye everyone.