Heritage Guelph

0:59We are here in the city.

1:13Folks, it's Miranda here. I'm not sure what the audio is like in the room, but I can't hear.

2:03It's very faint. I can't really hear what I just heard bits of the.

2:09The territorial acknowledgement, but.

2:11Only bits and pieces. It's the same on my end as well.

2:18You too, I can hear Kim fine. Now I can hear Cameron fine.

2:23That's right. How about this? Can you hear me?

2:52I can hear you, Stephen. Okay.

2:55Secret.

3:00So, and my.

3:06My reaction, they take your.

3:10Okay.

3:20A little better.

3:38Yeah.

3:40We can, which if I log into my computer.

3:45As the, we can just mute the.

3:52The room, but then I guess couldn't hear.

3:56So, whatever's happening right now, I can really hear you. It's a lot better.

4:02Agree. Can you hear me? Yeah.

4:06Okay.

4:09Perfect. So, we are.

4:14Number 1, 2, the disclosure of the hearing interest in general nature there. And when I thought you could hear me, I rented Kim and Miranda. I think you both have.

4:23Disclosure. Yes, I have, I have 1 for.

4:292, 1, 8, 7 Gordon street.

4:32And can you see the nature of why? Yeah, yeah, just because I, I work on that.

4:38Property as part of my, my work outside of heritage wealth.

4:43Perfect. Thanks Kim.

4:45And for me, I won't participate in the discussion around 100 Queen Street because I live in that location.

4:52Perfect. Any others?

4:59Seeing none. Alright, we'll move into approval of the minutes and thanks to Kim for taking over last month.

5:06And so the recommendation is that the minutes from the 8th meeting of the heritage wealth committee be approved. Is there a mover for that meeting?

5:14For the motion. Thank you. I'm a seconder.

5:19Thank you Cameron all in favor.

5:22Just need to see your lovely face.

5:28Yeah, I'm trying to record my video. Hopefully this works.

5:33Can you see me? No.

5:35There you go. Okay, good.

5:38Alright, so we'll ask them for the 1st item, which is 21 87 Gordon street. I'll just ask you can you put your camera off and don't just stay there in the discussion.

5:49And we will turn things over to Steven. Thank you chair.

5:57Sharon screen good I'm presenting.

6:14Yeah, 21 87 board the street and just to double check. Can everyone hear me?

6:20Yes, good.

6:25This is in regard to the property owners intention or at least their application of intention to demolish.

6:33All buildings on the property.

6:36And the owner of 21 87 board is to just made the application.

6:42And the application was deemed complete by the general manager planning and building.

6:49March 27th of this year.

6:53And according to the provisions of the heritage act council has 90 days from that date.

7:00In March to make a decision regarding the proposed demolition.

7:05And council is going to consider this matter at their meeting council planning meeting on May 14th. So that's coming up.

7:13And as you're aware council would would want to know if there's any commentary or.

7:21From the advisory committee.

7:24This report it's purposes to bring this to the committee's attention and also to inform heritage wealth of heritage planning staffs position that the request to demolish.

7:35Should be refused as council has already moved to protect the property.

7:40Specifically the kid barn and the Blair farmhouse through the passing of heritage designation by a lot of 2024.

7:4720901 that was done in February of this year.

7:53I'll just point out, I think I had pointed this out to the committee members, but I'll just reiterate that the, and I apologize. The attachments. There should have been 3 attachments.

8:05In indicated in the report itself, but the in the agenda that was circulated there. The 3 attachments were available as links.

8:132nd, the 1st being just the property location.

8:19And 2nd being a copy of the property owners.

8:24Letter to the city of indicating their intentions to demolish and the 3rd being.

8:30The cultural heritage resource impact assessment by Stan tech, which was.

8:37Provided on behalf of.

8:42So, I'm happy to answer any questions if the committee members have questions. The.

8:47Agenda contains staffs recommendation, which is.

8:53The recommendation will be to cancel the allocation.

8:59Questions comments.

9:03Cameron.

9:05Yeah, question for you, Stephen. Thanks. Thanks for the discussion on it. I'm just, I'm just wondering our.

9:12Is it common that somebody would submit a demolition permit when they know it's already before the.

9:17Like 1, is that even allowed to can you even submit a demolition permit when something's still under review? Like with the.

9:25There is, there's no, there's no reason that they cannot do this, but you're, you're correct. It is uncommon for this to be the direction taken by a property.

9:40Right. Okay. So I'm just wondering, is it.

9:43There's running why they would be doing that now rather than waiting for the result? Is there any.

9:49Does it push timelines or anything like that? If they do this, like, or is it.

9:54Is it a bit of a mystery? I wouldn't characterize this mystery.

10:00But what I would say is my impression that their.

10:06Heal of the desert areas, designation by a lot.

10:09When I think what the applicant is doing is.

10:14Is making it necessary for the hours to be being tried to decide whether this is just about the appeal of a designation by a lot or also about a demolition application. So it could be that those 2 issues are being.

10:30Release the component is trying to bring forth those 2 things at the same time, but that's just my my own opinion.

10:40Okay. Thanks. That's helpful. Questions or comments?

10:49I was wondering, you know, like.

10:52They were building up, you know, certain case saying that it will be like a waste of units to be built and etc.

11:01You know, maybe they're trying to approach it through the bill 23, you know, like that, you know, like, yeah,

11:10depriving the area from having more extra, you know, like units.

11:15Yeah, that's true. I think this is the game that they are playing.

11:20So in this respect, this is where the.

11:22You know, the tribunals role is going to be very sensitive to this mental, you know, like.

11:29So, I guess this is what I sent to the reading of the, you know, like, you know, this assessment.

11:36Unfortunately, they prefer the units better than the heritage.

11:44Well, thanks.

11:45You're a lot of speculation.

11:48You're a conference one.

11:50Cameron, go ahead.

11:52Sorry, Megan. Just a question.

11:56Has the same owner owned this property since 2018?

12:01That's correct.

12:02Okay. Just for me, just reading through the history of all the structural engineers reports and things that it's very frustrating knowing that repairs have been identified in 2018, 2021.

12:12And then, you know, we see the collapse happen last year. Like it's to me, this is a very obvious case of demolition by neglect. And I think.

12:20Like, I totally agree with staff's recommendation that this.

12:23Demolition should permit should not be approved.

12:25I'm accepting Tamron's comments.

12:27It's very frustrating that all of these needs were identified and not acted on.

12:36I'll read up the motion, just to maybe question, if I may be sharing this now, if she wasn't part of the discussion, she still vote.

12:48Decision factor.

12:49Of course.

12:51Is it this works? I don't hear my question. Is it the member joins late and a voting member? Are they still able to vote on something if they miss the 1st part of the report?

13:01Um, yeah, so all voting members present can vote on the item.

13:09Alright, so I'll read up the recommended motion and it's that heritage, well, supports staff's recommendation that the application of attention to demolish the cultural heritage resources.

13:212187 board and street be refused as the property has been protected by heritage.

13:26Just in Asia bylaw in 2024 dash two zero nine zero 1 with provisions of the park 4 of the Ontario heritage act.

13:34We're going to.

13:35So fast and the second year will take you Cameron.

13:39Um, all those.

13:40And they're up here able to show us on camera.

13:46Are you available? Maybe you can hear us. We did some sound issues earlier.

14:02Sorry, you're not talking to me. Are you Sarah? No, no.

14:05And Laura's gone anyways.

14:08Foster no, I can see Miranda. Don't worry. Okay. Okay. Good. I guess I'll take that as Kerry since we lost Laura. Alright.

14:15Uh, Kerry, we'll move forward. We will welcome Kim at.

14:19I don't know if you just want to show on there you go. Perfect. Thank you.

14:25Uh, so I got to point you is sort of my own right and it's in something in discussion that I've chatted with the Jack a little bit about as well.

14:33And it's this lovely brightening deadline this thing up January 1st, 2025.

14:38Um, the request to extend that actually started with a letter by the architectural conservancy of Ontario that was written in February to the 4th government.

14:47Requesting an extension to the deadline and listing a whole host of reasons why that should be done since their initial letter came out municipalities across the province have also been writing in letters through their counselor through their mayor.

14:59Recently, Cambridge did so in April and I believe in March kitchen or did. So our adjacent neighbours are also writing these requests.

15:06Whether they'll have any impact on that deadline. I don't know, but I do think if we can.

15:11Um, chat about this suggested motion and we can discuss this item as well.

15:15But if there's an opportunity for us to put something to council and have the mayor send off a similar letter, there's always power numbers.

15:22And again, whether it has an impact on the deadline, I have no idea, but it isn't it isn't very far away. So, so that's what this is.

15:29It's something that started with the architectural conservancy Ontario and has been spreading across Ontario to be free. If.

15:37If well joined that list of municipalities requesting an extension.

15:43The comments discussion open to chat for sure.

15:46I think it's a great idea.

15:48I hope it has some impact. I hope I hope the mayor will cooperate.

15:53It's totally agree.

15:55It should be.

15:572030 is everyone doing that.

16:01I think everyone's doing a 5 year request. That's again, what came through the Ontario.

16:05Conserve for those with potential conservancy Ontario was a 5 year extension.

16:14So there's no other discussion copied up the recommendation and that's that heritage 12 request staff here report the June 11th, 2024 council planning meeting.

16:24Seeking authorization for the mayor to sign and send a letter to the board, be Mayor of Ontario and Michael Ford, Minister of Citizenship and Multiculturalism.

16:32Requesting that subsection 2716 and Ontario heritage act be amended to extend the above noted deadline for 5 years from January 1st, 2025 to January 1st, 2030.

16:43Is there a mover?

16:45Thank you and a second to Marisa and all those in favor.

16:50Laura, if you're with us, are we able to see you for the vote?

16:54Perfect. Thank you.

17:02All right, next up then is our designation update since we have 72, which is a heritage attributes and designation.

17:09Thank you, Sarah.

17:13Please let me know if you can hear me. I'll do my best to project.

17:17You're clear, Jack.

17:19Perfect.

17:21For 72 Gordon Street, the McCabe Bakery.

17:27I noted that the report contained an error. It's set in the 6 of the criteria, but it actually meets 5.

17:35I won't go over all the criteria since that was included in the CGR, but it meets it has design value, historical value and contextual value. So it's a strong candidate for designation.

17:47I'll read over the heritage attributes I identified. I focused primarily on the Surrey Street and Gordon Street elevations as well as the two chimney or smokestacks that emerge from the roof.

18:01The heritage attributes are as follows.

18:05One story flat roof building form.

18:09Red rug brick exterior walls on the West elevation facing Gordon Street, including posters with Corbett heads and stepped quints to recess panels.

18:19Same attribute except for the north elevation facing Surrey Street.

18:25original window openings on the Gordon Street and Surrey Street elevations.

18:32I stepped a pair of that wall on the West and North elevations and two red brick chimneys.

18:42Those are the heritage attributes I've identified.

18:46Mostly focusing on what's visible in the public realm. Again, I couldn't get back to the back of the building though that appears to have been altered in a latter half of the 20th century.

18:58So yes, those are the attributes that I believe contribute to the heritage value of 72 Gordon Street. Happy to answer questions or receive feedback.

19:10Jack's a little bit of a discussion comments questions.

19:24Anything in the room.

19:27Sorry, it is quite jack. Can you read those attributes again? I'm just looking at the building on Google Street view.

19:32One story flat roof building form.

19:36Red rug brick exterior walls on the West and North elevations. So facing Gordon Street and Surrey Street.

19:44Original window openings on the West elevation and the North elevation.

19:49Step to parapet wall on the West and North elevations and two red brick chimneys.

19:57Okay, thanks Jack. Just quick question with those window openings include those like the basement level.

20:03I guess they're windows or four windows. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

20:07Okay.

20:10Last question the metal work at the parapet level. I think that's metal work.

20:17Is that original? Do we know? Or is that maybe not.

20:21That's a good question. Maybe I'd have to consult.

20:28A photograph.

20:31I mean, it looks not in great condition, but then with this, I thought. Yeah, I appreciate that I could add that to the.

20:39Heritage attribute for the parapet.

20:42If we confirm it's original. I'll look at the old photograph.

20:47Yeah, sounds good. Thanks.

20:49The questions or comments.

20:57I'll be out. I recommend emotions. So 1 is that heritage 12 supports the heritage attributes identified 72 Gordon Street at that 1 of the staff for database 62024.

21:08And then heritage 12 recommends city council and get notice of its intention to designate 72 Gordon Street pursuers for section 29.

21:16Heritage acts.

21:18And then the verb for motions.

21:21Thank you. Ready.

21:23A seconder and all those in favor.

21:31Laura second there.

21:44Are you able to turn on your camera.

21:57We send a message in chat.

22:00Yeah, I'm in care.

22:03I think we have to raise hand option open for this web, web expedients. She's able to use that function to cast her boat. You can try that as well. She's there.

22:13I don't think we heard that, but if you can use the raise, hack function instead of turning your camera on for votes, that is also an option.

22:33So as if we can't get in communication with a member that's potentially having some tech issues in our vote continue forward or we can keep going.

22:42Yes, correct. The vote still carries there.

22:46Thank you.

22:49All right, so we'll move on to 100 Queen Street and we will just ask that brand to turn your camera for this one.

22:56And so this is 100 Queen Street heritage attributes and designation.

23:00Thank you.

23:04This is the statement of significance and heritage attributes for 100 Queen Street.

23:10I again noted that I miscounted the amount of criteria that Queen Street met it meets five of nine not four of nine as noted in the report so fix that up before it goes to council.

23:23The property meets it has design and physical value historical associated value and contextual value.

23:32So I discussed the heritage attributes with the property owner, who we all know and they were in support.

23:40I'll read them off now.

23:43The scale form and massing of the 1901 two and a half story detached residents residential dwelling.

23:501901 there because there is an addition from the 1950s so and it's like partially cinder block so I thought that that does not contribute to the heritage value of the property so I did not include the addition.

24:08The hip roof and projecting gables, the cladding materials including the exterior brick walls and faux half timbering on the second story and under the gables.

24:18All window and door openings in the 1901 structure and all extant led windows. That's the extent of the attributes I think that's actually pretty comprehensive and I was very happy that we can include the led windows.

24:36In the list of attributes because I know current property owner has put a lot of care into having those restored and I think it's, it's rare to have a property with windows like that in such good condition.

24:51So, we do recommend proceeding with designation for 100.

24:58To answer questions receive feedback.

25:02Mr. whole bills.

25:04Building wealth.

25:12But the flag is going down.

25:16Where is that?

25:18Or is this that we do this because.

25:25I'm not aware of any other residential commissions that are designated, but the torrent school on water. Woo. Is that where it is?

25:34That's that's one of his designs and it is designated. So we do have an institutional building for global and nothing residential yet.

25:43The questions or comments general decision.

25:54The men I'll read out our recommended notions. So the 1st is that heritage 12 supports the heritage attributes identified 400 Queen Street as outlined in the staff report. It may 624.

26:05And that heritage 12 recommends that city council could notice of its intention as it made 100 Queen Street.

26:10We will be pursuing part 4 section 5.

26:13Sorry, it's part 4 section 29 of the Ontario heritage act.

26:18Seconder.

26:26And then all those in favor and hopefully Lauren, you're able to your camera on for this one. And if not, you can use the pressure hand function. Perfect.

26:35Excellent. And that is carried. And Miranda's love to join us.

26:44Yes, I just emailed.

26:48We give Miranda just a second to join us.

27:12So the next on our agenda is 14 eight street.

27:17Designation recommendation.

27:19Share an image of this project. So very fond of it. Okay.

27:31So this, firstly, I'd like to acknowledge that this property was researched by one of the students in our collaboration force with the history department at U of G.

27:43Sarah Kurtz did excellent research on this property.

27:47And it was a very, it actually turned out to be a very fun property to supervise the research for.

27:55So we started out as we usually do looking at the land title abstracts and noted that William Dyson on the property from mid 1850s to the late 19th century.

28:11William Dyson is better known in Guelph as the owner of the red lion in which is still exists on the corner of fountain and Gordon Street.

28:25The red lion is called that because it used red brick made by Williams brother Joseph, who was the first brick maker in Guelph.

28:36And this red brick is exceedingly rare now because it contained a high lime content that causes it to deteriorate.

28:44And so generally only only properties that have the brick protected in some way have survived.

28:52So you can see it at one Wilson Street, I think it is 26 Wilson Street is the Apple hair salon so just across the street from city hall, I think one waterloo avenue also has this red brick and 355 Woolwich Street, I went down a bit of a rabbit hole trying to find other examples of this brick in town.

29:18So it's still being likely retained its red brick facade because there was a covered porch on it for much of its history so the right would have been protected from the alps the the portion that you see today is not original.

29:32So I think it's still passionate about. Yeah, I think we need to go back to me.

29:47Yes, not at all.

29:50Yeah, a lot of passion. So excited.

29:54That was just a preview.

29:58Wait a minute.

30:02You can see papers blooming. Thank you.

30:04Okay, back to 14.

30:06Okay.

30:07Okay.

30:09Just allowing to gather my thoughts for a moment.

30:12Okay, 14 leave as we discussed at the previous meeting I considered the cultural heritage evaluation report. It meets five of the nine criteria again the report noted for that will be fixed.

30:24It possesses design historical and contextual value.

30:30Following elements of the property at 14 years should be considered as heritage attributes.

30:37For this property. I focus primarily on the stone house that exists on the property I'll talk about why I didn't include the barn but I'll go through.

30:48I'll go through the attributes for the house to begin with so form and massing of the two story three bay hip roof limestone detached residential dwelling.

30:59The yellow brick chimneys limestone exterior walls including points lentils and sills and all original window and door openings. So I think that captures the exterior of the stone residents on the property.

31:17I, I wrestled with whether to include the barn or not. And I ultimately decided not to.

31:26The barn is not the original that was built on the property that shows up in the fire insurance plans as far as we can tell it dates to the later half of the 1920s.

31:37It shows up on the 1922 and 1929 fire insurance plans.

31:42And it was likely made of some salvage material from the original barn.

31:49But it seems like it was pretty half as we construct it if you go take a look at it it's got bored and bad and then metal cladding.

31:58And it does not appear to be in great shape.

32:03Also, it's not exactly clear what its use was it was likely originally built as some kind of stable because there is a hay loft.

32:13But other materials noted that it was mostly used as a workshop or a shed.

32:19Additionally, heritage wealth was consulted on demolition application for the barn and 2008, I believe I don't have a report in front of me, and they, they determined that the barn did not have heritage value and they gave permission for it to be demolished.

32:38And that never happened.

32:41But that discussion did occur in the committee and they did kind of give the okay to demolish the barn, not the house.

32:51So those are my reasons for not, not including the barn in the list of attributes nor and also the Cinder block garage I did not include that in the list of attributes.

33:02I'm either again because that's kind of a waiter addition to the property and I, it wasn't clear to me what the heritage value of the Cinder block garage was but open to feedback and happy to answer any questions about that.

33:23I have a quick question to start is there sunset timeline on demolition permits.

33:30The barn and 2008 or whatever. Yeah, I think they came. Stephen might remember this. I wasn't here.

33:39I don't know if they applied for demolition permit. I think it was a preemptive kind of consultation with the committee at the time.

33:48Chair as I started at 12 in 2009. So it wasn't actually here.

33:56I will do to whatever you say.

33:59I, well, I, but your question though, I think is how long does it demolition.

34:08Yeah, that's another finding things that don't.

34:12That we have to confirm that building services.

34:16I do know that building permits in general there has to be a certain sort of activity that happens on a permit for it to stay open.

34:25But we have to confirm that.

34:29I'm not aware if it was actually demolition applied for but I do, I do know as Jack said that heritage golf committee was to solve the boat.

34:40An intention.

34:43Thank you.

34:48Yeah, thanks. So question for Jack. So, in regards to the barn.

34:54Is the.

34:57The found these in the fire insurance plans. It doesn't show up in that same location like.

35:02Until a certain point. So like, not even the foundation would have been original from some previous bar or anything like that.

35:08Yeah, it has a cast in place concrete foundation. So definitely not from the 19th century. But yeah, and it is in a different location than the original bar on the property was indicated, which was also much larger than this barn.

35:24Okay, so there's like no indication that.

35:28Anything related to this barn would be older than.

35:32You know, the mid 1900s or something the 1950s or something.

35:36That's, that's right. It was common practice to use cell materials for these types of structures, but that's speculation. I can't confirm that.

35:46Okay, thanks. Oh, and then 1 more question. Sorry about the garage, the cement block garage.

35:52Those blocks that's the entire structure or it's not just the front face of it.

35:58That's my understanding. Okay.

36:01Okay. Yeah, just wanted to make sure. Thanks.

36:06Thank you questions or comments from the committee.

36:12And the room anything else online.

36:15The 2, 1.

36:20Is there a hundred from muting the 2 motions that the recommended motions are 1 that heritage 12 supports the heritage attributes identified for 14 history as outlined in staff report did in the 6, 20, 24.

36:32And that heritage 12 recommends that city council give notice of its intention to designate 14 each week, which is for section 20 of the Ontario heritage.

36:41Someone willing to move those motions.

36:45Thank you.

36:47And all those with paper.

36:53Arms again helping to see your lovely things for me. Thank you so much.

36:58All right, now we will move to where Jack's very, very passionate is flying right now at 19 fountain street less.

37:07I'm going to share my picture again.

37:10Yeah.

37:13Wow.

37:18Okay, so I'm giving you a bit of a preview of what I'm going to discuss.

37:25I'll pick back up with William Dyson, who is a very grueling settler that came to Guelph. He was born in England in 1808 and came with his parents to Guelph in 1833. So just five years after the city was founded.

37:44And among other things he was a carriage maker and keeper and a miller. He built the city's first flour mill, Victoria Mills, which later burned down.

37:58As I noted, he's maybe his most significant contribution was the construction of the red lion and also using Dyson bricks that gave it his name.

38:08And also known as the sub hotel and the fountain hotel or fountain apartments.

38:16The end was a very important feature in the community and multiple sources, cooperate that the magistrates court least a portion of the end until the completion of the courthouse on Wood Street.

38:29I think that's significant because we don't just have a house here that's we have a cultural heritage landscape and this house is inextricably linked to the history of Fountain Street, which was at the time actually called Waterloo.

38:46Waterloo Street.

38:49There are very few as I noted very few remaining buildings constructed using Dyson brick.

38:57I think that lands significance to this property. I'm also not aware of any other properties with a red brick facade and rubble stone construction on the rest of the house.

39:14So we determined that the property met before of the nine criteria.

39:23That one is correct in the report.

39:27The subject property meets criteria one because it is a rare early and unique example of the mid 19th century stone and bread residential dwelling in the city of wealth.

39:37It is particularly unique and rare due to the facade, which displays an early red brick produced in wealth of which there are very few examples.

39:46The subject property meets criteria two because it exhibits a high degree of craftsmanship in the stone masonry and Flemish bond construction of the breath of side.

39:56The subject property meets criteria and four because it has direct associations with William Dyson and early wealth settler who made significant contributions to the development of 12.

40:07Dyson is directly associated with the property as it served as his primary residence and was located in close proximity to the red lion and and his carriage shop.

40:17The subject property meets criteria eight because it is physically functionally visually and historically linked to its surroundings.

40:25The subject property is linked to the red lion in at 11th Street West, which was constructed owned and operated by William Dyson.

40:33The end was constructed of the same red brick, which is why it was called red lion and though the brick cladding has been removed from the red lion.

40:44So we do recommend that this property be designated under part four of the Ontario Heritage Act.

40:51Happy to answer any questions.

40:54Questions comments.

41:05That fashion is in here so quickly.

41:09There are any questions or comments already recommended motion.

41:13The comments provided by Heritage 12 members on the 19th House to the West cultural heritage evaluation report.

41:19We provided to staff and council for their consideration.

41:24A seconder. Thank you. And all those later.

41:35Amazing. Thanks everyone.

41:37Without moving on to any chair announcements I have.

41:41So I'll see what was the announcements.

41:45Yes.

41:49Okay, so updates.

41:52There's one staffing announcement. Melissa Aldenate.

41:57The manager of policy planning and urban design is no longer with the city. So heritage staff are reporting directly to crystal walkie general manager of planning and building services.

42:10Some updates on some properties or on some projects. Sorry. So the downtown HCD.

42:18We received the 95% draft from.

42:21As I and it's for indigenous consultation right now. So we've had.

42:25Meetings with them CFN and are receiving feedback from six nations.

42:31And we're intending to bring the downtown.

42:34HCD study to council in July.

42:38For the ward West HCD.

42:41It's off to start now the consultants are doing their research and we're intending to have a public open house.

42:47In the first half of June.

42:49Once I.

42:51Confirm that data obviously to share that with the committee.

42:55Yeah, we're off.

42:57Both both HCD projects are on track and.

43:01Progressing well.

43:03Any updates.

43:05Quick question, Jack. I missed the beginning of what you were saying at the start of the announcements. Did you say that Melissa has left the city of Guam?

43:17Yes, that's correct. Okay. And then my other question was.

43:22The boundaries for the downtown HCD that was something that I know.

43:27You know, there were different boundaries shown on the drawing.

43:30That I, the drawings that I saw have those been formalized or that's still up in the air.

43:37So that the boundary that heritage wealth proposed that would go all the way to the intersection of Norfolk and which.

43:46Yeah, that the boundary has been expanded to include that.

43:50Okay, northern triangle.

43:53That's great. Thank you, Jack.

43:55Yep. Yep. Thank you.

43:57Good question.

44:03Well, last it's a German. So someone would like to move adjournment.

44:08Thank you, Brandon, a seconder.

44:11You can and all in favor.

44:17Amazing. Thanks everyone.

44:19Thanks.

44:20Thank you. Have a good day everyone. Thanks everyone.

44:23Thank you. Bye bye.