Heritage Guelph

0:01I prefer something part time, you know

0:06I think

0:12In your career, why not?

0:14Exactly. When I have my way here tonight, it's very important coming this month

0:22After worse when I come back, you know

0:26Things I might feel for it. But actually, I feel like my time has settled down

0:34It's a lovely

0:41Have water for us

1:03I'd like your presentation

1:07Thank you

1:11Kind

1:13Thanks a lot of work

1:16Yeah, we are

1:18Research assistants can tell you all the work they're putting in the hours

1:28Maybe I'm in at the University appointment. Is that like do they have to go in person for a lot of the reason?

1:32Yeah, there's a lot of archives and kind of digitize anything

1:37Beetle and haystack kind of

1:39Very happy to have you do

1:43Get lost and is our house too I'm sure

1:46Oh

1:48You need a lot of

1:51You know missing some

1:55Like the egg also like the neck is not really, you know, like they don't really have

2:06Physical plan or official plan nearly not specifying, you know

2:13The rural area and what to do in there, you know like and

2:18So me urban area

2:22And

2:23What's happening love there is an invasion of organization and the night and there is a threat, you know, like I

2:31You know, like

2:36You know that the skarpman who says we under threat mainly from

2:49Jack it's Miranda here, I don't know if you can hear me

2:51Oh, yeah, we're gonna be okay. Thanks

2:56Cameron here to just testing. Can you hear me? Yep clear great. Thanks. I

3:02Think that's a good key to get going then

3:05just a reminder to our

3:07virtual attendees to turn your video on when there's a vote so we can

3:12See you or vote verbally

3:14Sure. Yeah, we'll do I don't know how good my wife. I is right now. So I'll keep it off for the most part

3:21So, all right. Well, I'd like to welcome everyone then to our July and meeting at Fort of the 12th

3:27And I'll start of course with our territorial acknowledgement

3:31So as we gather we are reminded that wealth is situated on treaty lands that is steeped in British Indigenous history

3:37And home to many first nations in US and Métis people today

3:41As a city, we have a responsibility for the stewardship of the land on which we live and work

3:46Today we acknowledge the Mississauga's of the Credit First Nation of the Anishinaabe people on whose traditional territory we are meeting

3:55As we move through our agenda items, I'll start with asking if anyone has any disclosures of the culinary interest

4:00And if you do to please raise your hand in person and online unmute at least to disclose

4:11Nothing and hear nothing. So we'll move right along then

4:15Which should take us into our approval of the minutes from June 12th, 20th, 23

4:19So can I get members to move and second approval of the minutes from the previous meeting and if you move shout out

4:25Thank you a seconder dated excellence

4:29And then I guess we'll have to ask her to at least show us your your lovely faces online as we do a folks

4:37Cameron, thank you

4:39Brenda and Laura

4:44Thanks, Laura

4:48And Miranda in favor

4:50Excellent. Thank you

4:53All right, so that's Carrie. We'll move into our

4:56Uh, designation set. So we have our first one is 131 Ontario street

5:01Which is heritage attributes and designation recommendation with the presentation to begin by chat

5:07Thank you, Sarah. Um, this is going to be a rather brief presentation for me. Um

5:14As I gave a pretty fulsome presentation at the last meeting, so I'll I'll just kind of make a statement about the attributes and the recommendation

5:23Um, so very pleased to be bringing this forward. Um, I've been working on this with the school board since about December

5:31So it's been a long time making

5:33Um, and I'm hopeful that this designation can kind of set an example and have city staff and property owners can really work together to craft a mutually agreeable

5:42designation bylaw. Um, the school board has contributed to research

5:47Facilitated site visits and provided feedback throughout the process

5:51Um, and I think we have a stronger designation because of this

5:55So I'll I'll speak briefly about the heritage attributes that you see up on the screen

5:59Um, in discussing the designation with the school board, we wanted to craft a bylaw that would allow for the building's continued evolution

6:06And I think we have accomplished that

6:09The heritage attributes identified cover the majority of the 1908 1912 and 1921

6:16Exteriors

6:17Including their building form the red brick frontispiece on Ontario street with its ornamental brickwork

6:23And the frontispiece facing Toronto street as well as the 1912 fire escape and all window openings

6:30On those three the 1908 1912 and 1921 structures

6:35Um, we did not list any interior attributes and

6:39We did not list any of the either of the additions from the 1960s

6:44I don't think they displayed enough design historical or contextual value to merit being listed as attributes

6:50Um, though the interior features many original attributes

6:54None of them are particularly unique or rare and we wanted to give the school board the flexibility to make

7:00Any accessibility or energy retrofits necessary to ensure the continued use of the building

7:05Um, so having identified the heritage attributes

7:09And evaluated the property for its cultural heritage value

7:12I am very pleased to recommend that the property should be designated under part four of the Ontario Heritage Act

7:19We have your question

7:21Um, I think we'll save questions until after the delegates have spoken if that's okay

7:26So before the moment

7:28Yes, so as soon as the video there will be an opportunity

7:36So there are two delegates to speak on this following jack and I believe they're online

7:50So it's for Shinka and Owen if that's what they're welcome to unmute and or share their uh, let us see their faces and

8:00Give a brief overview or presentation

8:19Shinka or Owen

8:21Here you are

8:36We can't hear you. I think you might be muted

9:06I lost connection for a minute. Can I hear you now?

9:09Yeah

9:11Okay, sorry about that

9:14Am I good to go I lost in between?

9:18Jack when you were trying to bring us in into the meeting room

9:23You're welcome to to speak now

9:25Okay

9:26Um, thank you. Good afternoon again. Uh, my name is Ruchika Angus. I am manager of planning

9:32at the grand district school board

9:34Thank you for this opportunity to

9:37present in front of the committee

9:40As jack has said we have worked extensively

9:43with jack and his team and

9:46and very pleased with with the outcome of

9:51Office designation and and the report that

9:55Your staff has produced

9:58unjoined with

10:00Along with Owen Scott who is our heritage planning consultant if there are any specific questions, but

10:07Just wanted to take this opportunity to thank

10:11staff on all the all the work that they have done on this

10:16designation

10:20Excellent. Thank you. And did Owen wants you to say anything now or just available if there are questions

10:26available for questions. Thank you

10:28Excellent. So David I think you had a question

10:33Very good. Thank you.

10:34That minutes from the last meeting said that the comments from this from the last meeting would be provided to

10:42Staff and council for their consideration

10:45Did that take place and is there anything for us that we need to look at?

10:50Get part of that process

10:52Um, the the video from the last meeting is available. I look I I'm not sure if we captured any specific comments

11:01in the minutes

11:06Yeah, I think there were minimal comments on the

11:09Class report between last meeting and now then

11:14Is it that doesn't we consider that?

11:20Yeah, that's right. So I brought the cultural heritage evaluation for the last meeting and now this is just the

11:26Heritage attributes and the recommendation to designate what the response is to from between the last meeting now then

11:38Yes, so the last meeting we were looking for feedback on the research side of things and now this is more the

11:44What will actually be in the designation by what?

11:47Okay, and from here should we be passing them to the council? That's correct.

11:54One of the process questions. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

11:57I'm on the

11:59online

12:01report and it doesn't have the attachments

12:07I mean there's the two reports

12:09there's the

12:12But there's no way I don't is not any attachments online for this

12:19If if you're the attachments from the cultural heritage evaluation

12:23It's a third documents is to report vascular and exterior

12:28Yeah, those those were shared with the committee in June

12:32Oh, yes, and I just I included a Bobby of the cultural heritage evaluation in the attachments for this agenda item

12:39But I didn't include attachment one or two

12:42But I can do that at the next meeting. I just think um

12:46The record one is here if anybody was looking back

12:49Yeah, they wouldn't know where to look if they saw these minutes

12:53They wouldn't know where to look for those attachments. Yeah, I'll just include everything of each property going forward with them

13:00Yeah

13:03Stephen mentioned pretty much one about any 10 years ahead

13:07And this is an evolving process. So we are really keen to hear your feedback along the way. Thanks what we can do better

13:14Another would not forget everything so much

13:24Are there any questions or comments from any folks joining us online?

13:32Cameron

13:33Yeah, just a quick question for me about the attributes. Um

13:37The focus looks like it's on the the the two front frontus pieces of the

13:43I think those are just right about the two entrances on each side

13:46Yeah

13:47Is there a reason not to include the rest of the facade like surrounding those?

13:52Um, so it it is included in the first bullet there the building form

13:58more or less includes the

14:00Like it doesn't specify those facades, but there's nothing unique like no decorative brickwork or

14:07And I've also listed the winding window openings. Um

14:12So

14:13Aside from some brick in the windows, there's nothing

14:16too specific to note

14:19Right, but we still

14:20Any change to those facades would require a heritage permit if that's what you're asking cam. Yeah, okay

14:26I just building form this sounds very general to me. I don't know if it needs to be more detailed, but just just a comment

14:34The fire escape is quite interesting

14:37It is unique. Yeah, it's my porch, you know, like beautiful

14:43Lion

14:46And the brickwork is very nice. Very elegant. Yes. Yeah, I'm very fond of the lion's heads

14:51These are materials

15:02It's kind of fun and time to read the reports, right? So just

15:06Yeah, about the the one room school at

15:10Was crowded to you can tell I went down a bit of a rabble

15:14I'll bring back

15:17Good story that you told

15:21Any other questions comments yet Kevin forward just another quick one for me. Sorry

15:27Jackie mentioned the brickwork, but at like grade level I think there's stone

15:31It looks like around the base of the building. Is that included as well?

15:36I didn't include the stone foundation

15:40I didn't list it as a heritage attribute, but

15:43I mean replacing that would be

15:47Yeah possible

15:50Is it a veneer or is it actual part of the foundation? It's part of the foundation

15:54Okay

15:56Jack I assume that when when it is designated it's designated as a whole right?

16:01You know, they cannot fool around with that

16:03Well, unless you have to specify every item in the attribute to be protected or

16:08Generally, it's as a whole it has to be noted. So the human the whole property is designated

16:14But the heritage permits are needed to alter any of the heritage attributes listed

16:22So if they if they wanted to

16:27Do something to the interior heritage permit would not be required

16:30But but the heritage

16:33Attributes that I've listed here cover most of the like if not all the exterior of the 1908 1912 and 1921

16:42Structures on the property

16:43My attention that you never mentioned anything related to the pedestrian side, you know or the woodwork or

16:50Yeah, um, so the the interior staircase on the Toronto Street side has was significantly over in the 1960s

16:58and the

17:00The staircase on the Toronto Street side is just kind of like a standard

17:06machine produced a lot of staircase from the 1920s. It's nothing too ornate or special

17:14What's what's the it's going to be used for later on?

17:18Because you have been in lunches. So that's up to the school word

17:23but

17:23Right now it's being used as for community events and as a English as a second language school

17:29That's my understanding. I'm a Prachika can chime in if I'm incorrect

17:35like

17:38um

17:39Back if you want. Um, yeah the schools

17:43Continuously used for uh additional programming

17:48Or as as Jack mentioned like continued education

17:52English as second language and many other different programs as well as for community use and it is going to continue

18:00To be used as such other questions comments from anyone

18:14I'll read our motion then and I will look for someone to move and then two seconds. So the motion for motions

18:20That heritage golf supports the heritage attributes identified for 131 Ontario Street as outlined in the staff report dated july 10th

18:282023 and that heritage golf recommends that city council give notice of its intention to designate 131 Ontario Street

18:35Pursuant to part four section 29 of the Ontario Heritage Act

18:39So someone to move that

18:43Shout out. Thank you and a seconder

18:49Baby for kids. All right, and then we have to do a vote. So all those in favor, please raise your hand

18:56Excellent and Laura we can see your lovely face

19:02Thank you, sorry

19:04Appreciate your dedication

19:08All right, sorry folks. We had a last minute site visit this morning. So I am listening I promise

19:14It's okay. You're you're coming on screen at all the critical points. So thank you

19:19All right, uh, and we'll move along then to our next property which will again be meeting with the station from jack

19:26So that's 49 metcalfe streets

19:28And this is the cultural heritage evaluation report. So as a reminder

19:31We're getting the sort of the research report first for properties and then in our next meeting

19:35It will be the report that goes to to council for the designation. So this will be all of those fees

19:40There will be research that jack has done. Okay. Thank you again, sarah

19:53So I will be presenting my cultural heritage evaluation and am statement of significance for 49 metcalfe street known as the Dario Pagani house

20:04Um, so to per 1862 map indicates that the property was once part of the estate of john jackson

20:11I've attempted to kind of guess where it is with the orange

20:14Uh square that you see on the map there. Um

20:20The land was surveyed in 1913 and divided into lots intended for residential use

20:2649 metcalfe occupies all of what 26 and 24 as you can see on the screen

20:35The property was included in the 1946 fire insurance plan. Um,

20:40There the structure was included in the 46 fire insurance plan

20:43You can see it's interestingly misrepresented as

20:47brick

20:48But it is in fact cast in place concrete

20:51The land title abstracts reveal that Dario Pagani purchased the lot

20:56lot 26 and part of what 24 in 1936

21:00And the house was likely finished in late 1937 as the 1938 city director listed as the Pagani's

21:07residents

21:11So inspired by aerodynamic design the armadern style

21:16Emphasized streamlined curving forms and long horizontal lines

21:20The Pagani house includes features typical of the art london

21:24Including smooth rounded stucco walls a flat root and asymmetrical facade and a corner slash window groups

21:34our modern architecture is most common on

21:38In parts of the united states especially like miami or san francisco or los angeles

21:44But it's much more rare in canada and ontario

21:50It was most commonly utilized in ontario for institutional and commercial constructions like theaters restaurants and businesses

21:59Our modern residential architecture is a relative rarity in ontario

22:04After looking through our municipal register, I believe the Dario Pagani house may be well

22:09It's only example of art modern architecture

22:12Um, I'd like to draw on members expertise to confirm that the statement is correct

22:17But I I can't think of any other art modern residences in the city

22:21And on the screen i've included a sampling of other art modern residences in the props

22:35Oh, no

22:38I apologies i'm uh

22:40Sharing the wrong presentation give me a moment here. I'll um pull out the one that I attached

22:51This type of construction is not very popular because of the weather here

22:57You know, like you know, it's very hard to

23:00Set insulation inside the

23:03It's basically when you call them you

23:06You know, like you have to do it double wall and get insulation the middle and say

23:11It's a totally different technique than you most

23:15So, you know, and I'm not sure if it's cast in place or it's like

23:20Do you have you hear like concrete blocks and you're like once

23:23Give me blocks and then you put the plaster on the we do have this technique. Is it

23:29You know used I I have yeah, I've come to block construction. I have I have witnessed that elsewhere in the city

23:36um

23:37That's interesting. Uh, we can talk about this

23:40Once that's that's good. This is not one of them, right? It's it's put in place concrete. That's it. That's our understandings

23:46That's for you. We enforced and then put and then we have a plaster on the outside. Yeah

23:52um, okay, so the house has historical or associated value due to its direct association with Dario Pagani

23:59Uh, one of waltz most significant mid-century builders

24:02Pagani immigrated from northern needleway to canada in 1920

24:07On the left you can see his immigration papers. Um

24:12And I also included uh, this is the ship that he sailed on

24:17Italy a little bit like them it said it was one of the one of the largest ocean liners, uh, of the early 20th century

24:25It very similar to the

24:27titanic

24:28um

24:29So according to the 1931 census, which I was very excited to use because it was just released to the public

24:36in the last couple of weeks

24:39um

24:40Dario's father theater immigrated to canada in 1913 ahead of the rest of his family

24:46And so Dario entered, uh in 1920 of the age of 17

24:51Both Dario and his father were listed in the census as

24:54arpenders which

24:56Suggest that Dario may have learned the trade from his father

24:59Um in the early 1930s Dario partnered with angelo betaglia

25:05Who you may remember is the builder of the 1960s additions to tidal republic school

25:09Together betaglia and pagani established the construction firm with an office at 120 ferguson street

25:16But by 1937 Dario had established his own firm with an office operated out of his new built house on meccaf street

25:24So you can see at the bottom center is a advertisement from the city of gual directory

25:31It lists 79 meccaf as the address but that that was the former number street number of 49 meccaf

25:43so

25:44I believe 49 meccaf is worthy of designation

25:47Um because it meets five of the prescribed criteria for determining cultural heritage value

25:53or interest

25:57subject property meets criterion one because it exhibits

26:01um

26:03A very rare example of art motor and architecture in the city of gual

26:08um

26:08I believe it meets criterion two because it displays a high degree of artistic merit as

26:14The only example of our modern architecture in the city

26:20It meets criterion four because it has direct associations with Dario pagani

26:25And it meets criterion five because it yields information that contributes

26:30To the understanding of the italian immigrant experience in the first half of the 20th century

26:36Lastly I believe it meets criterion nine because it is a landmark

26:41I don't I don't think residences are usually considered a landmark, but

26:46Uh, I think this is a special case if you're standing in the center of st.

26:50George's park and you will go at all the houses bringing

26:54The park

26:55This one stands out quite starkly with its white wall and very

26:59Contrasting or technical style but in the only revival styles that are on

27:04The neighboring streets

27:07so because of this I I recommend that

27:11The property meets those criteria

27:14And so I'm happy to answer any questions or comments and I've I hope you don't mind the props that put on the screen

27:20Oh, I just wondered about mentioning other buildings in the city that he did like college

27:29Have public school, which is just recently missed by them

27:33It's beautiful and the um, I know there's a thousand degree but I'm trying to think of another significant

27:39It's his son that did ever agree. Oh, was it? Okay. Yeah. Yeah, his son became a pretty Richard became a pretty famous

27:47Provincially significant

27:50I think he did Dario

27:52One of the buildings I think about the top of my head. Um at the

27:57Deli and Pyrrhaimosa, there is like a Georgian style apartment building

28:03That's one done by Dario, but that's that's a good suggestion. I'll just make me mention a few other

28:08Yeah

28:11Great

28:13If you ever be went call Pagani, I think it was designated

28:18It is designated. I thought I was confusing the direct

28:23Yeah, they're easy to confuse. I've been speaking with um his Pagani family. They've been yeah, they they provided the picture

28:31Dario and I'm I'm continuing to speak to them for this year

28:35I really want to find a picture of the house from that really is when I was able to find was from 1975 and I

28:41Feel like there has to be one from the 30s or 40s. So that's what I'm in search of right now

28:46The other one thing I question Ben like do we have anything from the interior of it?

28:52um, I've

28:53Left a letter in the mailbox for the property owners. I'm still waiting to hear back from them. You're ever listed

29:01On the register or oh for sale for sale

29:05I think there's there's there's yeah

29:08There's issues with us using photographs used for

29:13But I have a but yes

29:15I'm resumed the conversation

29:21So are the current owners involved in all with this designation? I'm not yet. Okay. That's the letter in the mailbox. Yeah

29:28Everyone saw your hand. What right when I was talking. Yeah, I had the same question as you. Oh, sorry. Yeah, no

29:36Really? I do have another I do have another question if I have a second. Um, I think in the report jack I mentioned that the windows are original

29:43Um, I suspect they are um from 1936 they get seems

29:52Quite old

29:53Yeah, so just viewed from the sidewalk they look to me like windows

29:58That would have been original the property but um, I I won't be able to confirm that without actually visiting

30:05The entering the property. Yeah

30:09Okay on the cultural

30:15that should give me a seller cultural community

30:18Aside from the

30:20steam and being a member of the Italian

30:24Community during thing stand over for

30:29So I I think it's significant that he lived in st. George's neighborhood during a time when

30:35You know, the ward was where most Italians lived. Um, I think in the

30:42In the report I

30:43included a screenshot of the

30:46City directory from the time and all of the other names on the street are very angle Celtic

30:51So I think not only would this have stood out in the neighborhood architecturally, but I think it would have been significant that

30:58They were the only

31:00Italians

31:01Living on on the street or in the area

31:05Perfect the brain hearing aspect of it

31:08Yeah, I think it kind of it's emblematic of the social and economic mobility that was available to Italian immigrants at the time

31:15And I I looked through in my quest for a photograph at the house. I was looking through newspapers from the late 1930s and I was kind of struck by the

31:24There was a very prevalent like anti-Italian

31:28Town of the newspapers at the time just because of what was happening in Europe

31:32So I think it's pretty remarkable that he was able to build a business and do this at a time

31:37When it was probably not very easy for

31:41what

31:48Questions or comments or maybe responses Cameron to the list that jack has on the screen, but you don't have to respond to that Cameron

31:54Yeah, just a

31:55Question comment in general. So the condition of the the building now is obviously not

31:59Not great. There's a lot of peeling stucco and

32:03And you know deterioration of the facade

32:06Just commented this this house is an example of you know

32:09Why would be a good idea to have some sort of municipal grant supports for heritage buildings or or other supports going forward?

32:16Just kind of a comment there

32:18It would be nice to see this brought back into you know, much better condition

32:23One of the um

32:25One of the properties

32:27You can see the screen this top left one here. It was in

32:32Worst condition maybe then the Dario Pagani house, but it was recently restored and had a

32:39Second-story addition added to it and it looks absolutely spectacular. So it's good to see that these houses can be restored

32:48But yeah, I hear you can thank you for your comment

32:55I just have one last comment

32:56But I think it's really cool this one going up into the nation because it's so unusual for what we expect

33:00I think traditional heritage to look like and

33:03If it's the only style in the city, I think that's even it's just it's incredible to me

33:08Yeah

33:12There's no other questions or comments. I'll take us into our motion then

33:16So the comments provided by heritage wealth members on the 49 met cab street cultural heritage evaluation report

33:21Be provided to staff and council for their consideration

33:25Could I have someone move that if they're comfortable?

33:30Can I just ask a question before we vote sorry

33:33What's the what's the process kind of next steps?

33:36Can we provide comments in in the meantime before the next meeting to staff or?

33:42Yeah, you're you're you're welcome to reach out to me at any time about this property

33:47Okay, thanks

33:49Especially if we find that picture before 1970

33:55All right, so I'll read the motion over time that the comments provided by heritage wealth members on the 49 net cab street cultural heritage

34:01Evaluation report be provided to staff and council for their consideration. Could I have someone move that one?

34:07Thank you, Miranda and a seconder

34:11Shout out or well, we'll let Lara go in

34:14And then all those in favor if I can see a show of hands

34:18Laura's driving so I don't need you to take your other hand off the wheel if you don't want to perfect

34:23All right, so that has been carried

34:25And we'll get into our last one say then which is from victoria on to 11 silver creek parkway another cultural heritage evaluation reports

34:41Awesome. So today we're going to talk about the Sleeman house which

34:47Honestly the issue if you want to call that an issue with this house is that there's so much

34:53So many resources about the Sleeman family and about this property is almost a well-made precise

34:59Report so I did my best

35:01um

35:02But today I'll obviously talk about the results of that background research and the statement as the defense of this property and the

35:08Next steps and then you have any

35:11On this edition or question at the end

35:14um on this first slide we just have an aerial of the property and the current property limits

35:20so right now it's obviously just north of

35:23the hamlin you can see it on

35:26The hamlin also well into the street that I'm right there and it's um on silver creek parkway south just

35:33South on the south side

35:35however, um in the past it also was

35:38A different address 501 waterloo avenue and 501 wellington avenue

35:44So obviously if you're looking to do your own research on the property it's good to keep those past

35:49addresses in mind

35:53So this is a picture of plan 206 which was registered in 1872 and it shows

35:59The property that belonged to the Sleeman pantheon thing I

36:03so essentially um

36:05In 1844 the canada company sold a person's property to john carrots and then uh john Sleeman and his wife and boroughs

36:15Started by a portion of the property to a massive around

36:198.2 acres on either side of waterloo road or waterloo avenue at the time

36:24And in this plan you can see the beginnings the small footprint of what is silver creek brewery

36:30and potentially what I assume small footprints right on the corner

36:35Of the original residents of the Sleeman family

36:39Before the Sleeman house as we know it today was built there was a two-story stone structure on the property that they lived in

36:47so

36:49John Sleeman built

36:52The silver creek brewery in this specific spot because it was in most proximity to the speed river as you can see in other township mapping

37:00This property was very much in the township of guelph and at the time not in the city of guelph is very much on the outskirts

37:07um john Sleeman emigrated with his family and

37:11built this brewery in

37:131862 and by 1865 he

37:16Unlisted his son George Sleeman who I will go into much later in the presentation as an official partner in his business

37:24He um built the original residents of the Sleeman family in 1859 on the property

37:31However, um john Sleeman wasn't uh in control of the business for long because by 1867 he retired and left the business entirely to his son George

37:42George also bought the residents

37:47501 Waterloo and

37:50Later built in 1895 the Sleeman house we know today

37:55So this is just another map showing kind of still even after a corporation

38:00The Sleeman residents and Sleeman brewery company were very much on the outskirts of guelph

38:06but obviously they

38:08Very important part in guelph and its um expansion as they are directly

38:15Detailed on the map. So obviously you know some of it's important when they're listed by name and their small little residents

38:22Which makes sense because by this time

38:25George Sleeman was mayor of guelph so

38:28A very important person

38:31And I just wanted to show a fire insurance plan of what

38:36Our Sleeman house looks like and also what the Sleeman

38:41brewery the

38:42Silver Creek brewery grew to

38:45George Sleeman was an innovator and when he took over the family business. He made quite a few changes

38:53to expand the business and to

38:56Increase the efficiency of operations

38:58So one of his first things he did when he took it over was he builds

39:03He added a malt house which you can see in the fire insurance plan. Um, just on the edge of water the map

39:10he also

39:13instituted steam power to silver creek brewery

39:16He built a storage cellar and he increased operations with his brother, william

39:22Um in 1874 he also introduced the use of bisulfate of soda as a stabilizer and preservative

39:29and also incorporated the use of an

39:31Attempt parater I think that's how you say that into the brewing process and what that is it's just

39:38A pile of pipe that you can pump proper cool water into and it is a way that you can control the temperature during brewing

39:45and because of these advancements

39:47He was able to lower labor costs and begin brewing water

39:52Which was obviously very important to his

39:56business plan

40:01and kind of in that so

40:04George Sleiman became

40:06a hugely influential person

40:09um in wealth at the turn of the century

40:12By the late 1880s he employed about 30 to 40 local wealth bites at his brewery

40:18and

40:19The business continued to take off so by 1890 with the help of his brother and his son

40:25Also George Sleiman George A. Sleiman

40:28Very confusing. Um, he had around 15 outlets or sorry

40:31At least in 15 different cities from st. Mary to Quebec

40:36He started winning awards for his uh, logger in beer specifically at the chicago world's fair

40:42and then by 1900 he incorporated along with his three sons, george a Sleiman charles and william

40:50and his wife sarah hill into the Sleiman brewery and malting company which um,

40:56I'm sorry

40:58That's what um is labeled on the 1906 map. You could see clearly as

41:04Sleiman brewing and malting

41:08And obviously pictured here in 1880 you have

41:11The illustrious fellow

41:13As his business expanded so did his influence in the community. So

41:19He had his fingers in many different pies

41:22He was actually president of the wealth mingle's baseball club when they won the world championship in 1874

41:31by 1876 he was

41:35elected to wealth town council and he represented the south lord

41:39And then four years later at 1880 which is from the smam

41:44Photo was taken. He became wealth's first mayor after wealth was incorporated into his city

41:49One of his first official

41:51Motions of business was actually declaring july 1st of public holiday and

41:56Which is really important because I think it shows that even though he was

42:00Entrepreneur and very successful. He was he very much supported the rights of his workers

42:06Slate first and I think um that just shows the dedication that his workers also gave to this business

42:13He did hold the position of mayor for three years

42:17um, and even after he

42:20Kind of stepped down as mayor. He continued to be very influential in the community

42:24Now, um, unfortunately there is a bit of a time period

42:29of struggle after kind of george slieman

42:35Left the business to his to the next generation

42:39Because obviously in the brewing business when prohibition came into play that was a huge hit now in 1905

42:46that's when um, george

42:49Senior, or virgin is that virgin mass kind of retired from the business and left it to his son henry slieman

42:57and uh, unfortunately

42:59George senior actually died one year before

43:03Prohibition ended in ontario. So he died in 1926

43:07Prohibition ended in ontario 1927

43:10um

43:11Prohibition was still alive in the u.s.

43:13So the however and in 1933 his son henry and a few of his other sons were actually charged with smuggling alcohol to the united states

43:21and lost their brewing license as a result

43:26That same year 1933 sorry spring bank brewery was sold to another brewery drop drop the club brewery

43:33And by the 1950s the slingman brewery multi-company was inactive

43:38However, we have john w. Sleeman on the right with picture with his great-grandfather

43:45and he actually

43:48Was given the family recipe book by his aunt

43:51So jord a sleamon

43:53The son of george senior put together a family recipe book while he was an agent for his father

43:58And this book came into the hands of jord sorry john w. Sleeman and with that he reopened family business in 1988

44:07Obviously he expanded sleam of breweries where we all know

44:13And love personally

44:15of the family business today

44:18And john w. Sleeman actually is not

44:22Affiliated with the business and serve an official capacity. He did sell it to support

44:27Breweries back in 2006 and stepped down as president in 2010

44:31However, obviously the brewing business is still very active in the community and for local

44:37employer as well

44:41so kind of

44:43another

44:44Issue I wanted to issue another program. I want to talk about that eventually led to george

44:49seniors financial trouble was his innovative idea of installing a streetcar system

44:57So as we saw in previous mapping

45:00The brewery was very much on the outskirts of the world. So it would have been difficult to get employees out there

45:06So after he left office, he actually used personal funds to establish the streetcar system under

45:14railway the railway company

45:16And the picture on the right you can see his family standing standing outside their home

45:22Supervising or watching the installation of the streetcar rails

45:26Now, unfortunately, the streetcar system never actually made back the initial investment and that led to some financial struggles, which

45:35Was exacerbated by obviously the prohibition era in the time of his business. So that wasn't a great

45:43Very successful maybe financially program

45:47But it was also just showed how he was still involved in the community and really worked for us advancing the

45:54Community as a whole even after he left office

45:58And then the picture on the left is actually the original

46:02Sleamon family residence. So this was on the property

46:07Before the Sleamon house we know today and it was a two-story stone structure

46:11obviously with a three-bay design and then you have the Sleamon family standing outside of the home at the time so

46:19George senior had 11 children

46:22So he definitely

46:24has a baseball team almost

46:26And most of them I think are pictured

46:29in that picture now

46:32In 1890 that's when George Sleamon decided to build a new residence for his family

46:37And once that residence was completed in 1895 this structure was actually demolished

46:45So moving on to the actual Sleamon house or our Sleamon house that we know today

46:51The property has been sorry was

46:57Occupied as a new family from 1859 to 1957 and

47:04The

47:06Sleamon house started was built and finished in 1895

47:12So

47:14George Sleamon worked with John Day a prominent architect who also worked on the country building that we see downtown

47:20the commercial hotel and he also

47:23Designed a few additions to the Silver Creek brewery. So heaven George had a really good working relationship

47:29And the Sleamon house was one of the most expensive houses ever built involved at $30,000 and for some context

47:37Queen Anne revival house that was made that was built in brick

47:41Um

47:42Was built in the same year and both now they cost $2,200. So we see a lot more investment was put into this home

47:50And uh, the three story structure was being entirely locally according to limestone

47:56It has 12 11 and 10 foot ceilings depending on where you are at the house

48:01It has vermicular stone cutting in the deep stone harnesses along the main tower are quintessential markers of queen Anne revival

48:09A few more markers that you can see are a dominant front facing gable bay windows

48:16Two domed turrets and stained glass windows

48:20Now the original house also possessed a conical roof with attic cables

48:25And I fostered a shaft main chimney stone brackets and a slate roof

48:30And this specific photo you can actually see the family on the veranda

48:35Which was also very nice and you can better see on this other photo

48:40Unfortunately, the brand was one of the first things to go actually when it left family possessions. So it's obviously not there today

48:46but um, it's essentially

48:50Cover almost the full front half of the house

48:54Now another interesting thing is that all halls and rooms were supplied with gas and electric light fixtures

49:00and

49:02The residence is one of the first homes in wealth with electricity

49:06Multiple different trades people worked on the home and most of them were

49:10locals and also most of the furniture was made

49:15by a Canadian ontario company as well

49:18Here's another older photo you can see what the property looked like from the front

49:27now unfortunately, um

49:29the

49:31There have been multiple modern additions on the property

49:34and as I said the

49:36Three street facade veranda has been removed and it was removed when the property was turned into a restaurant after the

49:42In the possession the property also was a hotel under the manor hotel

49:50and the western addition

49:53occurred first to facilitate the hotel business and in the eastern addition occurred more recently in

50:01the later 60s early 70s

50:05for to include a kitchen a stage and

50:08beverage room to facilitate the adult

50:12entertainment business sit down

50:15houses

50:17However, you can still see a lot of the

50:20Even though we took these photos mostly from

50:23publicly accessible roadways

50:25So today a little bit further off the property you can definitely still see the details

50:29Of the stonework and the masonry on the exterior

50:33That's are still there today

50:38So moving into the statement of significance, um, I believe that

50:43the

50:45Property at 211 Silver Creek Parkway South is worthy of designation

50:49Because it meets five of the prescribed criteria. I believe that holes design

50:54such physical value historical associated value and contextual value

51:01So similarly to um

51:0349 mic half I believe that still working parkway south

51:08meets both criterion one and criterion two. I guess I should say criteria one and two sorry

51:15Interior regulation 906 because first of all it is an excellent and representative example of

51:23late 19th century queen and revival

51:25It also is one of the first homes with a lot of electricity and was very ornate construction at the time

51:30Additionally, it has a high degree of mason craftsmanship as um, the molecular stone

51:37Stone was cut by hand and these deep sorry deep stone ornates in the front of the store. I've had a free story tower

51:45Still exist the same degree of stone masonry is rarely seen elsewhere in city

51:53Now with historical associated value, I think obviously George Sleiman was an integral figure

51:58um

51:59and a businessman as a politician and a philanthropist at the turn of the century of wealth

52:05He was the first mayor of an incorporated city of wealth

52:08And so I think the association with his family, especially since um, sleep and brewing is still an important business here

52:15uh, really helps to show that it is

52:19significantly

52:21a significant historical

52:23property

52:25Additionally, um, since George Sleiman and John Day worked on the design of this property in John Bay's

52:33Previous projects are designated from the city. I think that that association also leads to its historical

52:40associated value

52:43And then lastly, I believe that the Sleiman house is a visible landmark in the city

52:48You can see it as you're coming off the Hanlon and also I believe is one of the first markers

52:54of um, the downtown

52:56At least now what we think of is downtown wealth moving

53:00Swillington street into the downtown core

53:03With its three story designs easily spotted also with its intricate, um,

53:09mainstream

53:12So in terms of next steps, obviously I am here to collect your feedback and complete any additional research

53:19And then at our next meeting which will be obviously September

53:23I'll bring the heritage attributes and destination recommendation

53:28Similar to what Jack bought for for titler today

53:31And then hopefully you can move forward with the noise later this year or the next year depending on uh

53:38Obviously council schedule

53:42So now we have questions and as I said, there's

53:47There's so much about this property and this family. So obviously you have in for your two kids

53:53It'd be great to hear them and I think kind of on reflection. I may in a bit conserve it with

54:00I'm not recommending five out of the nine criteria. I think that's also

54:08I'm happy to

54:10add more

54:13Victoria it's Miranda here. I'm just wondering

54:16If the current owner is involved at all

54:19I or if they received a letter if they've responded to that and if they're on board

54:26Or participating in any way

54:28That's a good question. So similar with mech. I did leave a letter for them. I've not heard back

54:34So, um, I'm hopeful that, um

54:38We can have discussions with them

54:41I know he's seen in the past is that he's had discussions with the owners. So hopefully

54:47we can move forward in a positive way and hopefully work together on setting up those heritage attributes

54:55because um, obviously it's still in use. So it would be great to continue to facilitate its use moving forward

55:02But um, no, I haven't heard back. Hopefully

55:07We will

55:09I think um making you know, we have bringing the designation for in september gives us the time so you can hopefully facilitate that

55:18okay

55:22It'll be interesting to see, you know, like a new approach, you know, the addition to this building, you know, like these two additions that have been done

55:31It don't reflect at all, you know

55:34You know anything to do with this building here. So, you know, I'm worried about the connection between the, you know, like the stone and this, you know

55:44material that has been added

55:46how the connection is being done

55:49And, you know, if they aren't like willing to probably like

55:54enhance

55:55These new additions to like fit with the context of the, you know, the building

56:01Maybe you're asking too much because these people

56:05I don't know how they're gonna respond. No, this

56:09It's a pity, you know, like

56:11You're totally true, you know, that is a landmark first time I came, you know, here

56:16I drove my attention spending its location, you know, on the, you know, while driving

56:24And anything inside, you know, like

56:27We're able to get any pictures of this

56:29So, um, Stephen was able to go inside about

56:3410 years ago, I think I'll go back to the show at this point. So we do have pictures from that site visit. How obviously, um

56:42We can't confirm if those

56:44Reserves are still there

56:47However, I think

56:52I think it's still in use, but yeah, I can't I can't comment on whether

56:57The attributes that were seen

56:5910 years ago are still intact because I think there are from those photos there were some

57:05wood features that were still there and

57:09Just literally some oak doors that potentially could be more written all to the property

57:15however

57:17Without a current site visit

57:19Hopefully as part of, you know, reaching out to the owner we can get inside to

57:24kind of get a more thorough

57:27Look at what it looks like currently, but

57:31I can't say for sure

57:33The building itself, other than these two additions

57:37What it's

57:39It's been used now

57:42Some portions so I know, um

57:46The rooms in the second floor, I think were I think their apartment apartments

57:52Um, and then portions

57:54Like the staircase at least from I'm going off these older photos the staircase is still used although

58:01It's not open to public or patrons

58:05um

58:06So yeah, portions of the home are still used today. So I think that

58:12Hopefully those features are are still there

58:16Yeah

58:18With everything it's all the attributes

58:21In its favor as it's ever been subject to us any other considerations for heritage definition

58:27So I think it's been on the list for a long time. Um, like for specifically when I started doing the background research

58:35There have been other, you know, kind of background research reports compiled for this property because obviously it's

58:42You know

58:43It's I think it's fairly obvious as a historical

58:48Landmark and with its association to the Slingman family

58:52um, I think

58:54Maybe where things have broken down is

58:57Hopefully is moving forward with the property owner

59:00So I think hopefully this time if we work together, I'm hopeful that we can arrive at a

59:07Immutable conclusion to kind of work on

59:11protecting the original shares

59:14Right you're aware then there's been no previous unsuccessful

59:18No, no, no

59:20I don't think um, annoying has been brought forward and then

59:25uh

59:26appealed or

59:28Nothing official though. Okay. Everybody involved with the Slingman family during the course of the

59:34So I think um

59:40I'm not sure. I don't know if they were reached out beforehand. I know in I'm just going from the past research

59:47Um, I know that a former family member was interviewed

59:52Kind of because they had been living in the property when it was sold

59:57So in the late 50s and they provided some details about you know, the property and about kind of what the rooms used to be used for

1:00:05um, now that was

1:00:07I think that interview happened like over 10 years ago. So nothing more recent

1:00:13um, I think that's

1:00:15potentially as

1:00:17I think that is an option as part of this process is maybe reaching out to the Slingman family now and seeing if they're providing

1:00:24their support

1:00:27He's obviously

1:00:28Like they're still active in the community and it would be great for them to be a part of this process

1:00:38I think

1:00:39How would we show them to John or his sons and they I suspect they probably have some photos

1:00:47That that might be worthwhile

1:00:50Also, you might want to mention when he sold it though, John became the chairman and currently is the chairman

1:00:57So he was he didn't stop his association with it. He's still a chairman

1:01:06Yeah, so that was fun. They were they were actually cost smuggling to alcohol

1:01:11I

1:01:13Which was at E. John. I saw him recently in a

1:01:17He was a somebody family. He was talking about his family history and they they smuggled it across

1:01:22with hey

1:01:23Like they they underneath they they've surround the cases with

1:01:28With hay and take it across the border that way

1:01:34He has great stories

1:01:36Good for a movie. Yeah, why?

1:01:39But yeah

1:01:43You went online. Have any other questions or comments don't want to ignore anyone

1:01:47We have one forward thing in question

1:01:54So before you're able to make a connection with the owners and get inside is the bold then for the designation report to include

1:02:00interior features or attributes or

1:02:02Is that beyond the scope and too early to ask great?

1:02:05Yeah

1:02:07So I have to say so I was I don't know if there's anything so remaking that warrants that and I think

1:02:12I

1:02:14I'm sorry to ask

1:02:15Actually, Leanne paper told me that my steve went through a phase on why that there was they had maintained

1:02:22There was a fireplace or something. There was a number of features that were maintained

1:02:28So that those types of things might be if we could get in it would be great

1:02:32Sure. I know the the photos that Steven had from

1:02:35um

1:02:37His past visit they are

1:02:40Really nice like the woodwork that's still there

1:02:43Is it does look like they put a lot of effort into maintaining them?

1:02:48And I think obviously because it provides the property a lot of character

1:02:52um

1:02:54So I think that probably comes into a discussion with the owner as well

1:02:59just obviously we want to make sure that

1:03:04They can still be maintained

1:03:07because

1:03:09Designated interior features can also be capable because

1:03:13If they're hard to

1:03:17Not police but monitor as from a staff perspective

1:03:20Um, so I think that's always it's a part of the discussion and it will be a discussion that is had

1:03:27But I can't comment on it

1:03:30Uh, the results of that discussion will be moving forward this for the speakers

1:03:36there

1:03:39Please no other questions or comments and I'll move into the recommended motion

1:03:43So that the comments provided by heritage wealth members on the 211 silver creek parkway cultural heritage evaluation report

1:03:49Be provided to staff and council for their consideration

1:03:54See maranda has put her camera on would you like to move it?

1:03:57Sure

1:03:59and a seconder

1:04:02Cameron thank you. So all in favor

1:04:05And Laura hoping we can see your lovely face one more time. Thank you

1:04:10Actually, that'll be one more time after this

1:04:12Perfect. So that has passed. Thank you. Um, so our next item on the agenda then is chair and staff announcements

1:04:18I believe jack victoria have a few announcements for us

1:04:22Yeah

1:04:25so

1:04:26Just want to quickly mentioning um

1:04:28Everyone is aware that council has approved

1:04:32Funding to initiate a word west heritage conservation district study

1:04:36Um, and I just wanted to update the committee that staff are currently determining the timeline

1:04:42of this study. Um, we have two other

1:04:45concurrent hcd is happening right now. So we're once we figure out the path those are going to take will

1:04:51um update the committee. Um, once we have more details on word west

1:04:56hcd

1:04:59I would also like to take this opportunity. Um, oh, yeah, I meant to do this at the beginning of the meeting to introduce our

1:05:05second heritage research assistant rebecca quirk

1:05:08Uh, rebecca comes to us with a background in archaeology and she has previous experience at the there she is

1:05:14um

1:05:15previous experience at the civic museum. So she's

1:05:19Really hit the ground running in the last couple weeks

1:05:24over

1:05:26So, uh, the alice street bylaw for um 47 alice goes to council tomorrow

1:05:32So hopefully that'll get passed and then in terms of next steps for that there is another appeal period

1:05:39120 days, but if that passes without appeal or

1:05:43Hopeful that it does then

1:05:45The bylaw will be official

1:05:48We can add another designated property to our register. She's great. Um

1:05:53Um, we're still in the appeal period for the albion so that will end

1:05:58next week. So similarly

1:06:01I'll drop the bylaw. It will be passed by council and then

1:06:04uh similar appeal process again

1:06:07Now for the downtown

1:06:10Well, hcd we are working with our consultant as is so um, they're starting their

1:06:16operant research and um, we are now in our bi-weekly

1:06:23Meeting with them

1:06:24We are looking to come to heritage qualifiers update and with a presentation from them at the september meeting on the 11th

1:06:33and then we'll probably do our first

1:06:36Public our first bi-cm public information center in late september early on over

1:06:42so, um in terms of

1:06:46results of that

1:06:48Well, it'll be more in september just because obviously summer's a busy time to do consultation

1:06:55And I think the

1:06:59Oh in terms of heritage registers, so I'm not sure if you've looked at our pdf document recently, but it is

1:07:06has been updated because we

1:07:09Were required through bill 23 to have it be accessible so a oda compliant

1:07:14so, um

1:07:15Unfortunately, there are no photos anymore. It's very much pared down to a table style

1:07:22Um, just to make it easily readable

1:07:26So, um have a look at that

1:07:28Uh, the world for interested. It's all the same info, but just organize a bit

1:07:33And thank you for this

1:07:40We have a placeholder meeting, um just in the calendar, but

1:07:45Usually heritage goal does not be in august. Um, there may be some

1:07:52Applications with timelines that might require a meeting, but uh, we don't know yet. So I'll keep you all updated on that

1:08:02Have a way of enjoying the old data. Yeah, and we we may look for a different day almost as well

1:08:08So, I

1:08:13All right, thank you for the announcement. So our last task then is for adjournment. So I've seen someone to move that we adjourn

1:08:22And seconder

1:08:24Cameron, thank you all those in favor

1:08:28Perfect. All right. Enjoy the rest of july everyone

1:08:34Bye. Bye. See you later