Heritage Guelph

0:01Form of the house most of the original exterior features and materials have been replaced.

0:06There is no degree of technical or scientific achievement with this property.

0:13And moving on to the historical or associate of value.

0:19My staff's research did not indicate any direct association with a theme.

0:24A belief or a person activity or organization that's significant to the community.

0:30It's my opinion that the ownership of the.

0:33Flaherty by the by the Flaherty family of this property is not significant to the community.

0:40While houses like number nine Omar Street have the potential to contribute to an understanding of working class housing in the late 19th and early 20th century.

0:50Research did not conclude that the property individually yields or has the potential to yield.

0:56Information that would contribute to the community and understanding the community.

1:03The builder or designer is unknown of this house and the contextual value.

1:11Is not this home isn't particularly important in supporting the character of the area.

1:18The building has been substantially altered.

1:21And although it's it's linked to its surroundings in it in the period that it was built.

1:30I don't feel that number nine Omar Street is a landmark.

1:37The the unusual thing about this property is that heritage wealth actually has had an opportunity in the past to consider the cultural heritage value of this property.

1:47And in 2018 after hearing staff's research and recommendation heritage wealth.

1:54Past emotion that indicated they had no objection to the removal of the property from the heritage register.

2:02Just to catch people up the owner of both number seven and number nine Omar Street.

2:10In 2018 did not elect to make an application for demolition permit at that time.

2:16So no further consideration was given.

2:22Recently more recently number seven Omar Street next door what has been sold and heritage wealth is being consulted now with this update as the owner of number nine Omar Street is now proceeding with a demolition permit.

2:36So having said that I would bring things back to the recommendation that's included in the in the agenda and I'd be happy to answer any questions from the committee.

2:50If there are any.

2:52I think you're muted. Yeah, sorry. Let's go with Cameron.

3:06Thanks, Kim. The Steven is a professional understand the situation. So in 2018, seven and nine Omar was at one property that was severed into two. Am I reading that correctly or.

3:16That's correct. Okay. So, so now is only relating to number nine.

3:21Okay, and then do we do we is there an actual construction date that we can pin down or is it.

3:28I am not aware of a construction date. The property owner has made a demolition permit application, but there hasn't been plan submitted yet for a new build.

3:40But all your original construction date.

3:43Oh, um, it was hard to I don't think it's possible to nail down anything in particular, but I think that the heritage register had been this based on Gordon Cooling's recommendation, which would have been sometime during.

3:581880s. So, I, I see no reason why that would would be questionable.

4:07Okay, so in that range. And last question. So the original brick, I think the cooling photo shows brick. Is that still remaining underneath the, the siding that's there right now?

4:18Or do we know the the cooling photo is actually shows actually in solbrick. So it's okay.

4:26It's covering up what I believe the fire insurance plan described as a rough cast wood frame house. So, okay. Thanks. I couldn't tell from the photo that that helps. Yeah. Thanks.

4:38Steven, we're involved in the 2018.

4:46Matter in front of.

4:49Yes, I was.

4:52As far as you recall, where do you mean the criteria met back then?

4:58Or, um, it was, it was now there was no recommendation for anything.

5:07Back in 2018 back when we had one heritage planner, it was me that provided the staff recommendation to regarding this property. And I had, I had the same recommendation that the subject building.

5:23Did not meet the criteria as it was at that point.

5:27Of 906 in 2018.

5:31Okay, as far as you don't we're interpreting the duration.

5:36Between now and in terms of the historical activity.

5:40Okay.

5:42I've seen really no change at all to the building since 2018.

5:50Thank you.

5:56Do any other committee members have any questions.

6:00Steven. Okay. No. Okay. So we'll move on to the proposed motion.

6:05For this item.

6:07And that heritage.

6:25Kim, you, you cut out a little bit. Would you mind reading that? Okay.

6:29Yeah, yeah, I can read it again. Thank you. So the proposed motion is that heritage wealth advises city council that they do not object to the demolition of the detached dwelling located at 9 on our street.

6:43Okay, Joe that I have you as our mover. We have a seconder.

6:51David.

6:56I see your hand and then all in favor.

7:05So that is carried.

7:08Then now we'll move on to the second item of our agenda. Jack, can you hear me okay better?

7:13Yep, you're good. Okay.

7:16So the second item or agenda today is 106 card and street, the cultural heritage value report and we'll start with their presentation with Steven again.

7:26Sorry, did we vote on on both 1 and 2.

7:31There's 2 recommendations or just one.

7:33Maybe I just missed one.

7:369 or.

7:39That's the proposed motion and the agenda only has 9 on our street.

7:48Yes, there are 2 recommendations. Do we vote on both? Sorry, I just didn't hear the 1st 1. Maybe I missed it.

7:55Okay, no, we only voted on 1.

7:59And that was for the demolition of the detached dwelling located that 9 on our street.

8:04Okay.

8:05Is everything okay now.

8:16Oh, I see. Yeah, the staff report had 2 recommendations in the agenda.

8:23So, I think the 1 that we didn't vote on is the recommendation that heritage, well, comments be provided to staff and counsel for their consideration.

8:36Yeah, we'll add that to the minutes.

8:45Would you like me to read 1 that we miss?

8:53Yes, draft that be great. Thank you.

8:56At the comments provided by heritage well members on the 9 on our street cultural heritage evaluation report be provided to staff and counsel for their consideration.

9:07I'll move that. Okay. Thank you Miranda.

9:14And then we have a seconder. Okay, I see Cameron, and then all in favor.

9:19So that has now been moved.

9:26Now we'll move on to the 2nd item of our agenda today. 106 card and street, the cultural heritage evaluation report.

9:35See if and I'll pass it over to you.

9:37Thanks Kim.

9:41I'll share my screen, but just before I do that, I guess maybe I should just reconfirm the, the agenda has, I believe for this item has 1.

9:52Rend recommended motion and that's that's the calm. Any comments provided by heritage Guelph would be provided to staff and counsel for consideration.

10:03Okay.

10:05I will now switch over to share my screen.

10:25Which screen do you see in front of you Kim? Is it the maps and the air photo or the text?

10:31We see the maps in the air photo. Okay, good.

10:35I will flip back to the staff report itself, but I just wanted to make sure just to orient the committee first.

10:45106 card and street is referred to historically as the Royal Hotel. And it's one of our oldest commercial stone buildings.

10:54And it's, it's in one of our original important original areas from John Gault's 1827 plan.

11:03And as you see on the screen in front of you.

11:08And as you've read in the report 106 card and street is what they call a double fronted lot. And the, the historic front is the limestone facade that faces card and street and faces the railway tracks.

11:20There is a rear elevation that faces Macdonald Street. It's a brick construction, a later construction.

11:28But the main importance in this presentation is really the part of the building that's outlined in yellow, a dashed yellow, which is essentially the oldest part of the built form on the property.

11:44So the Royal Hotel is the result of many additions since its original construction in the center area here in the, it's some as early as the late 1830s, early 1840s.

12:04But what we see today is an entire block. I forget the number of bays, but many bays from, from this portion of the building all the way down to almost the corner at Cardin Street.

12:19It's a really important part of, of what we call today the Cardin Street Street wall.

12:28And the rear of the building is, as I said, a brick construction that faces Macdonald Street. The Cardin Street Street wall is really one of the first things that a visitor sees in Guelph when they come in from train travel from the east.

12:45And it's, it's quite a landmark, as, as you may agree, seen in this photograph.

12:51So I will go back to the, sorry, I'm just going to try and get oriented, reoriented here to the report itself. I don't necessarily want to read out too much of the report, just in order, you know, in the interests of time, but I wanted to point out some of the important aspects of the report.

13:20So, the executive summary states that 106 Cardin Street is listed as a non designated built heritage resource on the heritage register.

13:30And in the report staff recommends that the Royal Hotel building meet six of the nine prescribed criteria for determining cultural heritage value under regulation 906.

13:43I'll talk a bit about, I'd like to talk through some of those reasons why it meets the criteria.

13:49As I said, I won't read through all of the text, but because there's been a lot of historic research done by myself, but also with a lot of help from our past heritage research assistants with with heritage planning staff.

14:06I would like to just scroll down to the statement of significance, which is really the result and the main reason for this coming to heritage golf today is is to to have feedback from the committee about staffs recommendation as to what the statement of significance is for this particular building in its context.

14:27So, the Royal Hotel has designed and physical value.

14:32It is a representative and early example of wealth architectural styles in the 19th century.

14:38It has three styles that relate to it and a neoclassical lightness, Georgian formality and Italian eight decoration, all of which reflect wealth vernacular commercial architecture.

14:52And the building scene today was constructed in stages over a period of 20 years.

14:59So the building displays a high degree of craftsmanship and it's low bearing Ashlar limestone masonry construction.

15:08And although it's asymmetrical and it's original design, there are some of its features are are asymmetrical, there is quite a balance symmetry in the facade that we see today.

15:24And to point out as as described in the description of design and physical value the the fact that it's not just the front wall of the building that is recommended for protection it would the the roof line which is a side gable roof or a slope that that comes from the roof,

15:44ridge down to the front facade and the remaining limestone chimneys that one sees from Cardin Street.

15:54The property has historical and associative value is part of because it's part of the initial development of John Galt's 1827 plan for the town of Guelph.

16:06This has been a hotel. There's been a hotel in this property since the 1830s and it makes the property the oldest continuously operating business and wealth and the

16:21people have stayed at the hotel and it has direct connection to the railway which brought many of these visitors to town.

16:34So the context of this building and the area is so important.

16:39The property has contextual value because its front facade forms the beginning of an uninterrupted block face on Cardin Street that's a fundamental part of the North Street wall of what's called the market grounds in the area of the old downtown cultural heritage landscape.

16:55And what I'm like to do is just show a few of the historical photographs that are referred to these that are in the historical images and I realized that the committee members have had a chance to look at this themselves so I won't go through all of this.

17:09But I think it's important to point out in this is a detail from John Galt's 1827 plan that this triangular area here was always meant to be for public market and open space and Galt actually called it the market ground.

17:29The city hall itself eventually was built right in the middle where you see it says market house new city hall today and what we refer to as market square is this quadrant here or not quadrant as much as this corner of the triangle and this would be Wilson Street here.

17:47So that means that the Royal Hotel property is this portion here. So it is a really important aspect of that that shape of open space that is such a distinguishing feature in in Guelph's original downtown and is still a distinguishing feature today.

18:11The main the main change to the market square was the introduction of the railway that came through the Grand Trunk Railway came through in the mid 1880s, sorry the mid 1850s, and when that train traffic came through right in these lots here the Royal Hotel was well placed to receive visitors.

18:32So I'll go back to the to the contextual value. So the hotel was important in defining and maintaining the heritage character of the card and streetscape.

18:45And it's one of the first properties to be built upon in Guelph's downtown, and it's a prominent part of the historical and social development of downtown. And it's been a major landmark in this area since the mid 19th century.

18:59So, it's with that that I mean there's much more information that's been provided in the staff report, but it's with that that I would be happy to open things up to discussion with the committee members and I'd be happy to answer any questions that might have come up in your reading or my presentation about the property.

19:28I think you said my name came up just an initial question was was this building 106 card and I can't remember was it on our priority list for this year or last year.

19:36Yes, thanks Kim. And if Jack wants to join in that that's just fine.

19:50I don't believe that 106 card and street is on the high priority list at the moment.

19:58But the property itself is either.

20:03It either is coming to the real estate market or either in the market or it's it's believed to be coming to the market.

20:12Okay, that's what I was asking. Yeah, yeah, I was wondering if there was something that prompted it to be brought up now. So that's the reason. Okay.

20:19But it definitely is within our list of properties to be to be considered for designation just not necessarily the highest priority at this time.

20:30And then I guess the fall question to that would designate like how does this relate to the downtown HCD. I mean obviously we can, you can designate a property ahead of time before the HCD right.

20:44The entire heritage act allows part for individual heritage designations to occur within a heritage district either before a district or even after a district is in place. So some properties are have their own individual cultural heritage value but also are such contributors to a district or an area that that double designation can be quite appropriate.

21:09Yeah. Okay, that makes sense to me. Thanks. And yeah, this was always one of the properties that I thought I couldn't. I always thought it was designated just given its location and everything you've laid out. So, yeah, that helps. Thanks.

21:19Yeah, so this is just this isn't necessarily in around the designation part of it, but I just sort of the context of where this is if I'm looking at this photo.

21:38Which is, I think the last one. It really does show quite it's just so interesting the photo.

21:47So, it looked like from the previous slides, the photo of the last photo that shows from night. It was a photo from the 1930s, the whole area.

21:561931 aerial photo of the market Browns.

22:01So, there's the bell pianos and then is that what used to be the theater.

22:07What's on one of the slides it says it was a theater.

22:12A Royal theater is that part of 106 or is that part of 90 card.

22:18Or is that just was that what was that incorporated into do you see the one I'm meaning it's right. See where the bell piano ends.

22:27And there's a building sort of looks like it's in between and in one of the diagrams and one of the figures it shows it as being the one before this figure 9 shows it as being Royal theater is that part of the Royal hotel.

22:43Looks like it might be.

22:50You look at the slide before this one.

22:53Okay, counselor downer, can you hear me.

23:08Yeah.

23:09I'm sorry. I had trouble with my microphone just now. Yeah.

23:13Okay. And now can you see the 1931 photograph again.

23:17Yeah, so you see for Bell pianos ends and it looks and from the previous to figure 9.

23:25Um, uh, we have it shows that as being a theater in there is that part of 109 with the world hotel now that world theater.

23:38And the property that's proposed to have cultural heritage value and this staff report. It starts here essentially where where the blue, which indicates stone construction. Yeah. Okay.

23:52So that must have become part of something else and at one point.

23:56And just noticing at the photograph again, what used to be the, the bell.

24:03The east of the property was a significant building. Do we know when did that come down that was a gorgeous looking building.

24:11It was very impressive and talk about a landmark when coming in from the room. It would have been fantastic. And I believe there is even a clock or clocks in that corner tower.

24:23And it was, I believe that there was a fire that destroyed the building in before the 1960s, I think, and Legion, I think had been in that building before that.

24:39So, yes, that's.

24:42You look at the whole context of it just looks a bit of a beautiful entrance way coming in.

24:49Yeah, I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point.

24:59Yeah.

25:00Yeah.

25:01Okay, thanks.

25:02Anyone else have any other questions.

25:05Okay, I'm not seeing any hands. So we'll move.

25:07Sorry, one more for me. Kim.

25:08Sorry.

25:09I think Stephen in your report, you mentioned the roof.

25:12Beams are.

25:14Original and suggested to be included. Well, are there photographs of those somewhere that can be provided?

25:20I have been inside the building and the roof.

25:29It's it is the original form of the roof, which is supported by what I would call like Queen post trust heavy timber trusses.

25:40But I staffs of the opinion that interior features wouldn't wouldn't be recommended as heritage attributes for a building and a designation, although they can be identified.

25:54I, I have seen them myself, but I'm not able to show images at this time. So, okay.

26:03Just so I can, are they like exposed if you're inside the building or do you have to go into like an attic space or in a quite unfinished attic space that's not.

26:14Okay, fair enough. Yeah, thanks.

26:18But included in those heritage attributes, Stephen, we have the central staircase.

26:23And those trust us, right? Just noted.

26:29Today's presentation and staffs recommendation is limited to the cultural heritage value of the property.

26:37It would be at a future meeting that the committee would be asked to comment on and staffs recommended list of heritage attributes.

26:45But as we've done in the past, I think it's important to recognize any interior features that might be significant.

26:53But without an anticipation or an expectation that those interior features be protected by the by the bylaw. If we get to the point where a bylaws being considered by council.

27:09Okay.

27:13Any other questions from the committee.

27:31I'll say.

27:35Kim, I think you're breaking up. You may want to start again.

27:44Just wait.

28:15The question, do we lose forum with Kim is not.

28:18No, we will have a form still. I'll wait a couple of moments.

28:24Yes, we can hear you.

28:29We're doing that.

28:40I don't know.

28:44Maybe that in the absence or even temporary absence of the chair, it could be that the staff liaison might take that role. I'd look to the clerk for that.

28:57Advice.

29:00Yeah, if, if Kim is having just a few difficulties there, I think Jack or I can even read the motion if that's helpful for you.

29:11Can you hear me now? Yeah. Hi. Okay.

29:15I'm going to also join on my other computer just in case.

29:18Okay.

29:19That happens again.

29:20Sure. Let's just preparing on the other screen here.

29:24Okay. So would you like me to read the motion again?

29:27Yes, please.

29:31Okay.

29:32So I think that the comments provided by heritage both members on the 106 Cardin Street cultural heritage valuation report be provided to staff and council for their consideration.

29:45I have a mover.

29:46I see Cameron's hand and I see Miranda's hand and then all in favor.

29:55So that has been carried.

29:58So we'll move on to the third item of our agenda.

30:03So I'm going to go to Queen Street call for heritage valuation report.

30:08And we'll start with a presentation from Jack.

30:11I'll come get you when we're sure.

30:19If anyone needs me to speak up, I want to make sure I'm captured by the room microphones. So just let me know if you can't hear me.

30:29For the next two cultural heritage valuation reports I'm presenting. I just wanted to acknowledge that these are the first reports that I'm bringing to the committee that are the result of the collaboration with the history department at the university of Gould.

30:45So for this first property of 100 Queen Queen Street, I just like to acknowledge the work that Amy Moffitt did to research this property.

30:56And I'll acknowledge that this property is owned by Miranda form and she's been very cooperative also with helping on the research.

31:08So I'm just going to share my apologies.

31:56Okay, I don't need to share my screen.

32:00Okay, 100 Queen Queen Street. If you're not familiar with it, it's the large tutor revival residents located at the corner of Aramasa and Queen streets.

32:14So it has a pretty prominent occasion especially if you're entering the city from the east down Aramosa it's one of the first houses that you'd see upon what cresting the hill once you passed Elhi.

32:29The house was the property was initially part of the Mitchell estate, the other another property that we're considering here at the committee 108 Queen.

32:42It was bought by a couple.

32:46Dr Edgar Wells and Alice Wells in 1901.

32:52Dr Wells came to Gould from New York to work at what was then called the sandwich sandal, which was located nearby the property.

33:02And he commissioned an upcoming wealth architect called fire call will to design the property.

33:11It's likely that this was one of Paul will's first residential emissions in the city.

33:19Colwell is more well known for his design of the Carnegie library, as well as Torrance school and the mill wafs located on Ross Street and the word.

33:34And so the house is associated with both the wells. Dr Wells unfortunately died in 1903 just two years after the house was finished being built.

33:48But Alice Wells lived in the property for the subsequent 40 years.

33:53It was also inhabited by judge how it and the pinch family.

34:03In terms of its cultural heritage value.

34:08So I'll just read through the statement of significance now.

34:13In terms of design and physical value, the property meets criterion one, because it is a representative example of the tutor revival style in the city of wealth, and likely one of the first two to revival residences in the city for historical and

34:31property.

34:33The property meets criterion six because it reflects and demonstrates the ideas of architect fry Colwell, who designed several significant wealth buildings, namely the Torrance public school and Carnegie library.

34:48The subject property meets criterion seven because it is important in maintaining the character of an area, prominently located on the corner of Queen Street and Aramos of road the property maintains the character of the area defined by the housing built in the surrounding neighborhoods on

35:03the main entrance.

35:05The property meets criterion eight because it is physically functionally and visually linked to its surroundings.

35:15The residents was designed to correspond to its location on a corner what with the main entrance located at the northeast corner of the building.

35:24The property meets criterion four shadows Colwell is 1909 design of the wealth public library, which was also situated on a corner what, and also had an entrance located at the corner.

35:36Lastly, the subject property meets criterion nine, because it is a landmark in the community.

35:42The properties prominent location on a corner what a top Aramos a hill gives it impressive visual prominence.

35:53I have recommended it meets the meets the criteria for par for designation.

36:04Happy to take any questions.

36:09Thanks Jack. Does anyone from the committee have any questions.

36:16Thanks, Kim. I'm mostly joking. I'm assuming this is obviously a friendly designation.

36:23I was wondering out of curiosity in the case of a friendly designation is there a way that this gets sort of.

36:29I am not fast track is part of the right word but is it is it does it go to council quicker or is it the same process as perhaps a non friendly designation.

36:40We're going to long the same process because we intend to bring a batch of designations to council in June and July so we're that's kind of the end goal with this one as well but um.

36:53Yeah, we like hypothetically friendly designations could be ushered through the process faster but since there's no, no risk with this property there's there's no need for us to expedite it.

37:11Thank you. Thank you.

37:15Did I see your hand before.

37:18No, you don't.

37:22There's no other questions I'll move to the proposed motion.

37:25That the comments provided by heritage 12 members on the 100.

37:29Main street cultural heritage evaluation report be provided to staff and council for their consideration.

37:35If we have a mover.

37:37Joe Depp and seconder I see David's hand and all in favor.

37:47Slada's been carried.

37:54Jack I'll give you some time to go get Miranda.

37:57Okay.

38:40So now we'll move on to our last item on today's agenda and that's 72 Gordon street cultural heritage evaluation report. We'll start with a presentation from Jack.

38:51Okay, Kim.

38:53Gonna try sharing my screen again we'll see.

38:56Okay, there we go.

39:02Touch me.

39:04Thank.

39:05So again, this, this property was researched by another one of the students in our history class. How we use.

39:15I'm very excited to bring this property to the committee.

39:20Because I think it differs from a lot of the other properties we've considered it's very functional and utilitarian.

39:29Before I get to the actual building I just want to talk a little bit about a lot that is located on. So you'll read in the cultural heritage.

39:38So this is a presentation report. Many prominent figures in walls history have these lots, including Henry hatched John Hillie Cameron, George grains James Berkeley and George Sleiman.

39:54I think most of these were speculative land purchases because none of, none of the people mentioned built anything on the lot.

40:03And as you can see, the reason for that is that there is actually a creek running through the property that shows up on most of the older maps free.

40:13300. So you can see it in the birds I do shows up on Cooper's maps.

40:23And it's not until the 1907 fire insurance plan that that that stream was redirected to the lake we underground.

40:38Yeah, there. That's the revised 1907 fire insurance plan shows that it was redirected under Gordon street.

40:47And this lot. This indicates staff lumber here so that was the initial use of the law once the stream was redirected.

40:58The building on the property. I'm going to call it mckays bakery because that's that was its initial use.

41:07It's a it's a functional industrial building constructed in 1928 opened in 1929.

41:17And it is the first industrial bakery in the city of wealth.

41:23The period following the first world war food processing became much more industrialized and it had been previously.

41:32And so up until the opening of this bakery, all the bread baked in the city was done through kind of smaller scale.

41:41Bakery operations.

41:45So this mckays bakery was opened in 1929.

41:51And after the start of operation it became dominion bread and function as a bakery until the 1950s when the property was sold and it was in the 1960s that it became Schnur electric and it's it's been that ever since.

42:24There is an image from the bakery from 1929. So if you see it today, it's, it's remarkably unchanged this corner view along Gordon and series streets.

42:46And it's, we don't have many industrial buildings from this era. Well, we have many from the late 19th century, but few from the 1920s.

43:10So we determined that it met five of the nine criteria.

43:16In terms of criteria and one it's a rare and representative example of functional industrial building type from the interwar periods.

43:25Especially in this area that was once dominated by industrial buildings. This is the last industrial building from that kind of industrial hub located just to the south of downtown.

43:38It meets criterion for because it has direct associations with McKay bread company, which made significant contributions to the industrialization of bread production in Ontario.

43:55And criterion five, because it yields information that contributes to the understanding of the wealth community because it's associated with the development of the food production industry and wealth, something like wealth is known for it because part of link to agricultural and food history.

44:14Lastly, contextual values it meets criterion seven, because it is important in defining maintaining and supporting the character of the Gordon and series streetscapes.

44:27And lastly, it meets criterion eight, because the property is functionally visually and historically linked to the former industrial lands to the south, the historic downtown core.

44:39The location reflects the history of Gordon Street and the Huron Road, which is now Waterloo Avenue and the Grand Trump Railroad as thorough affairs for the transportation of goods to nearby towns.

44:52So I would recommend that it meets the criteria for designation.

44:58Thank you. Happy to answer any questions. I think.

45:12Kim is frozen again, but you hear me on this.

45:30You're back.

45:34Yeah. Okay.

45:38Does anyone have any questions for Jack about that item.

45:46I see David's hand.

45:50Thanks. Well, is there anything happening with this property turning way forward?

45:56No, no. So this, this was identified as on the 10 for 2024. There's no.

46:04We're not aware of any imminent reasons for the property, but it is zoned for six stories, I believe. So there's kind of that ambient risk that this is.

46:14Yeah, we're not no immediate concerns.

46:18It's a single owner is right here where single or for the.

46:22Is the use divided at all? It's, I believe the whole property is occupied by Schnerer electric.

46:29As far as I'm aware. Yeah, we had contact with them. Yeah, I've sent a letter, but I get to you back.

46:37Thank you.

46:42Cameron.

46:43Thanks, Kim. Jack question. Was there an addition built on to this?

46:49Like a loading dog or something. I'm just looking on Google maps.

46:53Yeah, sir. Street. There is an addition that was added.

46:59I'm not sure exactly the date of that. I can.

47:02I can double check that for the next time I bring this.

47:06Right.

47:07Was it able to access like that? My observation of the building is entirely from the public realm. So I couldn't really see.

47:14Around in the back, but.

47:17Okay, I'm just, I'm just wondering if once we do get to the heritage attributes, would it just be the original part of the building or would the addition be included as well?

47:26Yeah, I think I mainly focus on the 1929.

47:30Construction, but.

47:32Yeah, I'd have to discuss with the property owner and back to the committee.

47:38Good sounds good. Thanks.

47:40Do any other committee members have any questions?

47:48My questions. Okay.

47:51So I'll read out the proposed motion for this item.

47:55That the comments provided by heritage golf members on the 72 Gordon street cultural heritage evaluation report be provided to staff and council for their consideration.

48:05Do I have a mover for that? I see Miranda's hand.

48:11And the seconder, I see Cameron's hand.

48:15And all in favor.

48:19So that has been carried.

48:22So now we'll move on to the staff announcement section of our agenda today. And then I'll pass it over to Jack.

48:31Thank you, Kim.

48:33So, first off, some, some staffing announcements.

48:39So, Elisa, a fellow planner at the city was project managing the downtown wealth, HCD, but she's no longer with the city. She's gone work at it.

48:55So I am now managing the downtown HCD until a project manager is hired.

49:02I'm babysitting it so to speak.

49:07I'll provide a bit of, I thought it'd be useful if I provided a bit of an overview of our work plan for the next couple months, since we're kind of projecting ahead for five months at a time.

49:19So for the part four designations, we're aiming, I mentioned this earlier, but bringing to bring two batches to council in June and July.

49:30And we're going to aim for May, but we realized that the 90 day window to get the designation by law pass put us in the middle of August for that and council does not meet in August.

49:41So we're going to wait until June and July.

49:44Just so the timeline works out that council is in session. If we need to get a bylaw pass.

49:52So we're aiming like way around eight to 10, depending on how research goes over the next couple months.

50:00For the downtown heritage conservation district. We are anticipating receiving a draft of the study this week, which will then be sent out for review by First Nations.

50:13And once the indigenous review is completed, we hope to bring the study and boundary to council in July.

50:25I'll note as well that the ASI agrees with the Heritage Committee that the boundaries should extend up to the intersection of Woolwich and Norfolk and so the boundary has been adjusted to include that.

50:42And the Ward West Heritage Conservation District. So this project has been initiated. I project manager.

50:51And we are, we just had the kickoff meeting two weeks ago so now ASI is initiating the study.

50:59And we're intending to host public consultation in May or June, but I'll update the committee once more exact date is determined.

51:11Lastly, with the ORHCD, Stephen, correct me if I'm wrong, but we're intending to bring the planning guideline to council in June.

51:23That's to be confirmed. I'll bring an update to the committee when I have that information. So I don't think June is being discussed at the moment, but as I said, I'll update as soon as I can.

51:39Okay, and that's that's it for staff updates. I'm happy to answer any questions if anybody wants clarification.

51:51With the very same point of council in June, if you're protected to be in need for personnel as well to be there or we have been free.

52:04Yeah, yeah.

52:06We have some important to spare. Yes.

52:09When we get closer to that date, we'll know whether we'll be able to have the notices of intention to designate passed on consent. If it passed on consent, we, I wouldn't say it's necessary for a member of heritage to be there.

52:23But if, if, like, somebody wants to delegate an opposition to one of the items that would certainly be helpful to have Heritage 12 come delegate as well.

52:35Yes, yes.

52:37We have closer to that date.

52:40Okay, does anyone else have any other questions regarding the staff announcements.

52:53Okay, so we'll move on to the German of the meeting. So may I please have someone move in second.

52:59The German of today's meeting.

53:01Okay, so job that.

53:05And I have these have a seconder.

53:10Miranda, I see your hand. Sorry, it's far away on the screen here.

53:15And then all in favor for in German of the meeting today.

53:19Great.

53:21Thank you.

53:23So it's been carried. The meeting has been adjourned and the next heritage golf meeting will be hosted on May 6, 2024.

53:31Thank you everyone.

53:33Thank you.